#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2013-12-12

lpotterZogG_laptop: jolla _already_ prvides some place to report bugs/contributions, etc.00:00
Aardjjaone: yes. can you manually pull up the broken package?00:00
ZogG_laptoplpotter: the point is if you want to do only the way you want, why make phone public, just use it for yourself with yourself by yourself00:00
specialfk_lx: I don't expect you to help me, I want you to help yourself, and I want to help you do that00:00
ZogG_laptoplpotter: tell me twitter can count as well00:00
lpotterok. it can00:00
fk_lxspecial: phdeswer, w00t: of course you are individuals, but you can forward what I am saying to those who have power00:00
ZogG_laptopan tell me there are shipping related thing in maillist00:00
fk_lxspecial: phdeswer, w00t: for them to at least think about it00:01
ZogG_laptopor you wnat those00:01
AL13N_lizzycan anyone Jolla and non-Jolla comment on http://elinux.org/Jolla#Developing_for_Jolla.2FSailfish ?00:01
AL13N_lizzyis this ok?00:01
jjaoneAard: you mean the jolla-email-settings package? How would I do that? It seems it's Available, but how do I install it?00:01
AL13N_lizzyas a start page?00:01
AL13N_lizzysort of?00:01
ZogG_laptopi can tell guys at TMO is that i was told the way to communicate is maillist00:01
lpotterZogG_laptop: shipping would be care@00:01
Aardjjaone: pkcon update jolla-email-settings00:01
Aardjjaone: or other option to try to do a full update would be using version --dup00:01
ZogG_laptopwe'll see how you'll be happy with spam on maillist00:01
phdeswerfk_lx: we are don't worry. I am just trying to steer you into a direction where you can start doing things for yourself.00:01
w00tAL13N_lizzy: looks like a good start to me00:01
specialAL13N_lizzy: agreed, thanks for putting that up00:01
AL13N_lizzyif there's inaccuracy don't hesitate00:01
ZogG_laptoplpotter: so i need 10 places?00:01
AL13N_lizzyi like the Motto :-)00:02
AL13N_lizzyshould help set the pace00:02
ZogG_laptopwhile most info you can gather are at TMO00:02
lpotterZogG_laptop: you would need 20 places with forums too00:02
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jjaoneAard: I'll try the pkcon update..00:02
ZogG_laptoplpotter: there are community moderators who delete merge things00:02
ZogG_laptopso we are ok00:02
fk_lxspecial: phdeswer, w00t: well understand that some people are doing things for yourself if they are helping others00:03
ZogG_laptopthere are those who use search and quote given answers00:03
jjaoneAard: should it be run as "nemo" or "root"?00:03
ZogG_laptopthere are those who created mer and nemo from TMO :P00:03
ZogG_laptopbut ho cares00:03
ZogG_laptopnight00:03
ZogG_laptopfor real now00:03
lpotterjjaone: pkcon can be run as nemo00:03
Aardjjaone: both works00:03
fk_lxspecial: phdeswer, w00t: heard sth about that by helping others you help yourself?00:03
jjaonelpotter: ok, thanks.. let's see what happens..00:04
phdeswerfk_lx: I know the idea.00:04
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jjaoneAard: started installing, at 0%00:05
fk_lxphdeswer: if you know, that understand that people are different - I have a friend that almost never cames up with his own ideas, but he is good in helping others in supporting actively their ideas00:05
AL13N_lizzysay, don't you guys have to work early tomorrow? and yet you're all here :-)00:05
VenemoI don't00:06
AardAL13N_lizzy: there is no 'work start' or 'work end' in jolla00:06
w00tAL13N_lizzy: my definition of morning is a little bendable00:06
AL13N_lizzyfk_lx: btw: could you find out the TMO links and update http://elinux.org/Jolla#Developing_for_Jolla.2FSailfish accordingly?00:06
VenemoAard: why not?00:06
phdeswerAL13N_lizzy: we are loosing our sleep to co-operate with the community00:07
AardVenemo: there's "drop and sleep due to beeing exhausted", that's enough00:07
AL13N_lizzyVenemo: i'm betting he says something like we just sleep/eat in between infinite work00:07
fk_lxspecial: phdeswer, w00t: and please exchange thinking 'we' as a company to 'we' as a community (including the company)00:07
w00tAard: hack week was fun week00:07
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jjaoneAard: now I have these: pkcon get-packages | grep " jolla-email"00:08
jjaoneInstalled    jolla-email-0.0.71-10.16.1.jolla.armv7hl00:08
jjaoneAvailable    jolla-email-all-translations-0.0.1-10.1.1.jolla.noarch00:08
jjaoneInstalled    jolla-email-all-translations-pack-0.0.1-10.1.2.jolla.noarch00:08
jjaoneAvailable    jolla-email-all-translations-pack-0.0.1-10.1.1.jolla.noarch00:08
jjaoneInstalled    jolla-email-settings-0.0.71-10.16.1.jolla.armv7hl00:08
AL13N_lizzyok, i need to go to sleep soon00:08
Aardjjaone: looks better00:08
jjaoneAard: seems it fixed it ;)00:08
jjaoneAard: the problem actually is, that I've received "Problem with Store" each time an OTA update arrives..00:09
AL13N_lizzyfk_lx: it's no use... it would be nice to have sailfish on it's own completely open, but it's gonna take some time, imho; best to actually start the work/ideas and start from there00:09
jjaoneAard: and in this case when there was two packages, it went thru partially..00:09
Aardjjaone: you seem to have developer mode on -- so the useful part there would be saving the output of the journal (journalctl). packagekit logs there, and if it barfs it'll be visible from the log00:10
fk_lxspecial: phdeswer, w00t: because saying - we (company) will think and came up with what is best for you (community) is not co-creating00:10
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specialfk_lx: your opinions are heard, none of us make that decision, none of us speak for the company00:10
jjaoneAard: ok, you mean wen next OTA update arrives and it fails, I should check the journal?00:11
phdeswerfk_lx: also we said to come up with a solution that is the best for us (community + company)00:11
Aardjjaone: yes, please. I'd prefer to find out why it's going wrong on your device, and then fix it :)00:11
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Venemocan we just reflash the device?00:12
AardVenemo: no flasher out. you can do factory reset, which will revert to the state like when you got it00:12
fk_lxspecial, phdeswer, w00t: I really would warn you to avoid "we know better" logic, as it will discourage valuable people from helping. And I am saying this because I see a lot from Jolla side "we are the most talented, we are the best, we done what others (big companies) cannot do. Repeating that in long term is very dangerous.00:12
jjaoneAard: me too, beacause it first appeared when the SailfisoS system update arrived, and I had to do it 3 times, before it went thru (disabled dev-mode, unplugged from charger, changed back to default TOH)..00:13
AardVenemo: I'd still prefer getting bug reports and trying to fix it, though :p00:13
fk_lxspecial: phdeswer, w00t: it suggests that those outside Jolla are in some way worse or less talented00:13
specialfk_lx: if we were convinced that we know better and don't need or want you, we'd be chatting on the internal IRC.00:13
phdeswerfk_lx: now you are just trolling. Nobody of us has said anything like that00:13
specialthere is value in an active community and the contributions they create00:13
specialthere is not value in this discussion anymore, though ;)00:13
fk_lxphdeswer: go and listen what Marc says in media00:14
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faenilfk_lx, we (community) will start setting up our own bugzilla tomorrow! o/00:14
faenillet's give a hand to those guys shall we00:14
jjaoneAard: but will keep on eye of updates, and if they fail, I'll get the journal logs, and where should I send them?00:14
phdeswerfk_lx: that is marketing. This has nothing to do with this discussion or community work.00:14
fk_lxspecial: I do agree that you should use public IRC more than the internal one ;-)00:14
AL13N_lizzyphdeswer: i agree there00:14
Aardjjaone: see query00:15
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fk_lxphdeswer: that marketing, even if it's good for mainstream, has it's own side effects, and what you are saying in media also reaches others like ZogG_laptop and then you hear complains about elitism00:15
jjaoneAard: see what?00:15
AL13N_lizzycommunity is good, but it's not all community, we shouldn't kill the company either00:15
Aardjjaone: where to send it00:15
AL13N_lizzywe just need to find the middle road00:15
phdeswerfk_lx: some people will always look for something that is not there or misunderstand things. Fact of life. And there are plenty of those people on the net. I am not going to waste my time with something like that as it does not help anybody getting anywhere.00:16
fk_lxspecial: phdeswer, w00t: another example - Jolla is using stuff like mallit, did it send already to mallit people covers "I made this"? Powerful symbol I would say.00:16
jjaoneAard: yes where should I send it?00:17
specialfk_lx: well, we hired one of them.. :p00:17
faenilso yes, he has I made this :D00:17
fk_lxspecial: which one?00:17
AL13N_lizzyi think sailfish itself as well as jolla-* apps opensource and maybe even harbour too, would be nice, but i think it might starve the company00:17
Aardjjaone: check your irc client for message from me00:18
faenilAL13N_lizzy, might :D00:18
AL13N_lizzybut that is something for marketing to figure out00:18
AL13N_lizzynot us00:18
AL13N_lizzywe're techies00:18
faenilfk_lx, so tomorrow you help me with community bz, okay?00:18
faenilAL13N_lizzy, wanna join?00:18
faenilZogG_laptop, let me know if you want to contribute too00:18
AL13N_lizzyoh plz00:18
fk_lxspecial: and what about the others from that project?00:18
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: http://elinux.org/Jolla#Developing_for_Jolla.2FSailfish00:18
AL13N_lizzyplz read and insert link when created :-)00:18
jjaoneAard: ah, ok ;) Haven't been much IRC:in in the last few years, so I'm bit rusty on this Empathy client00:19
specialfk_lx: as much as I'd love to send a phone to everyone who has ever contributed to linux, qt, or all of the other opensource we use, we don't have that many phones :p00:19
fk_lxspecial: do they also receive those covers? or about other people that more or less contributed to Mer/Nemo, for example Venemo00:19
specialfk_lx: what we do is give back by contributing our work to the upstreams00:19
faenilAL13N_lizzy, no, I need your help to create it, not to insert a link :P00:19
specialfk_lx: and fwiw, I don't even have the "I made this" cover, and I've worked here for over a year :p00:19
* AL13N_lizzy is confused now00:20
fk_lxspecial: well, I'm just speaking now about symbols and marketing, that are building the wall. Yeah they are good for Jolla's employees to motivate them, but the side effect that it has opposite effect to everyone that tries to help and is outside00:20
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: you're a dev and nemo contributor, right? can you ask nemo people if we are allowed to create a project on their bugzilla called sailfish? where we can put our bugs? or do you think this is a bad idea?00:21
AL13N_lizzyor bring me into contact with them to ask?00:21
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faenilAL13N_lizzy, I think I'll ask tbr as he could have some free space on his server for us :D00:21
AL13N_lizzythat's also a good idea00:21
faenilAL13N_lizzy, but I'm not sure having another section on Nemo bugzilla is a good idea, but maybe it is00:22
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: if they have separate projects, it might help if they have a feature that a bug exists in nemo and sailfish00:22
AL13N_lizzyso it's just one bug00:22
AL13N_lizzyinstead of multiple00:22
AL13N_lizzyi donno00:22
lpotterproblem is getting jolla devs to pay attention to the many bug reporters00:22
faenilAL13N_lizzy, yes that's why I said "maybe"00:22
AL13N_lizzyi'm just thinking00:22
faenillpotter, I think ideally community will take care of cleaning00:23
AL13N_lizzylpotter: well, w00t and special said that if there was a good bug list, he would look at it00:23
lpotterat one time in trolltech/nokia, we had no less than 5 we had to pay attention to. thats a pain00:23
AL13N_lizzythat's good enough for me00:23
jjaoneAard: ah can't find your message in Empathy.. ;(00:23
AL13N_lizzywe just need to find some less techie people willing to sort out the real and fake bug reports00:23
Aardjjaone: try to message me directly00:24
fk_lxspecial, phdeswer, w00t: so to sum up, more _real_ focus on community than focus and lights on yourself (company) and more inclusivness instead of building a construction elite and rest of the world. And yes marketing is marketing, but is the message that goes to everyone, also to us here.00:24
lpotterjust make a bug reporter page that mails the mailing list.00:24
faenilfk_lx, do you have /ignore on me? XD00:24
AL13N_lizzylpotter: you want to have all bugs on the mailing list?00:25
AL13N_lizzythat's nuts00:25
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w00tfk_lx: I think you've made your points clear, and I like to think we've made our points clear - this is no longer a useful discussion00:25
fk_lxw00t: I'm just ending, about to go to sleep00:26
AL13N_lizzyfk_lx: you have twitter right? can you tweet something about a community bugzilla happening and we need volunteers to help sort out priority of bug reports? (20 people should be nice; this means it'll end up as 2 real people)00:26
faenilfk_lx, when I hear you talking about community bz again, you'll get same treament :P00:26
AL13N_lizzyi seriously need to go to sleep00:26
faenilAL13N_lizzy, tell me about that :D00:26
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: you have twitter?00:27
fk_lxfaenil: I don't have ignore on you, I'm unlike some other people ...00:27
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: then you can do this as well00:27
faenilAL13N_lizzy, yes, you don't follow me? shame on you :D00:27
lpotterAL13N_lizzy: ok. how about just a twitter account to report bugs00:27
AL13N_lizzytbh, i try to cut back on social stuff00:27
faenilfk_lx, you still have ignored me for all this time...but let's not focus on that now ;)00:27
AL13N_lizzylpotter: lol00:27
faenillpotter, if you say that's something steve jobs would do, I create it NAO00:28
AL13N_lizzylpotter: the problem is that bz will get spammed and useless stuff by people who don't know what a towel is...00:28
fk_lxfaenil: sorry too much flow of information I couldn't focus on what everyone is saying, was focusing on special and phdeswer and earlier w00t00:28
specialI stand out among a crowd, can't help it00:28
lpotterAL13N_lizzy: so will any public bug reporter tool. been there. done that.00:28
GeneralAntillesIf somebody wants to get me a device, I have a fair bit of bugzilla administration and triaging experience. ;)00:28
AL13N_lizzyspecial: lame00:28
special:p00:28
AL13N_lizzylpotter: yes00:28
tigeliUAUAUA00:29
tigeligood night :D00:29
AL13N_lizzylpotter: at the very least it'll help me as a reminder of what to ask you guys on IRC here00:29
AL13N_lizzyGeneralAntilles: aha, we have our first volunteer00:29
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: ^^00:29
fk_lxfaenil: I think idea is good, I'm all for community bugtracker, but I don't have infra to set it up00:29
faenilAL13N_lizzy, I don't think you read his price :P00:29
* lpotter still wonders what is wrong with using the already set up and working devel mailing list00:29
AL13N_lizzyGeneralAntilles: but don't worry, i too do not have a device00:29
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fk_lxfaenil: idea with tbr providing infra sounds good00:30
faenilfk_lx, infra is hopefully not hard to find00:30
w00tGeneralAntilles: proxy-buy offer is still valid ;)00:30
AL13N_lizzylpotter: nothing is wrong the the mailing list00:30
GeneralAntillesw00t, :)00:30
Eztranlpotter: volunteers can clear out a community bugtracker, leaving useful stuff for Jolla to look at. They cannot do this with the mailing list.00:30
lpotterhey I dont have a jolla either, just protos00:30
AL13N_lizzylpotter: it's just a different purpose00:30
lpotterAL13N_lizzy: not really00:30
AL13N_lizzylpotter: lets have this case:00:31
AL13N_lizzylpotter: i post a bug on mailing list00:31
AL13N_lizzylpotter: after while more bugs are posted00:31
lpotterEztran: I doubt volunteers would know exactly how to clear it out though00:31
AL13N_lizzya small percentage is not answered and drops down00:31
AL13N_lizzylpotter: those will be forgotten later on00:31
EztranNot even, say, GeneralAntilles, with 'a fair bit of bugzilla administration and triaging experience'?00:31
fk_lxlpotter: you have right to have doubts, but why not give it a try?00:32
AL13N_lizzylpotter: that's what i don't want to have00:32
lpottersame will happen on bugzilla00:32
lpotterfk_lx: been there, done that already. many times00:32
AL13N_lizzylpotter: that's true, but at least if someone joins later, they can still see all the old bugs00:32
fk_lxlpotter: mailing list is much harder to search, and you cannot easily apply statuses to messagest etc.00:32
GeneralAntillesUnless there's buy-in from Jolla, there's no point in pursuing it.00:32
faenillpotter, well I think there are a bunch of people in nemo who would know how to clear it out00:32
GeneralAntillesWe played this game with Nokia on maemo.org.00:32
GeneralAntillesIt sucks.00:32
lpotterAL13N_lizzy: mailing list archinves00:32
lpotterarchives00:32
AL13N_lizzyyes00:32
faenilof course they can check if the same bugs are duplicated of what's already in jolla bz, but that can be checked later00:33
faenilcan't check*00:33
AL13N_lizzylpotter: and it does work, but not when 100 bugs/day are generated on ML00:33
fk_lxlpotter: maybe you got too old, let's give other a chance, who have fresh approach, not like saying ex cathedra "it won't work"00:33
faenilGeneralAntilles, what do you mean by "buy-in"00:33
AL13N_lizzylpotter: what if we tagged bugs with JOLLA or something?00:33
* fk_lx percives lpotter as retired hippie ;-)00:34
AL13N_lizzythen this smaller list can be emailed daily? to ML00:34
GeneralAntillesfaenil, meaning that they actually look at and work on confirmed bugs.00:34
GeneralAntillesfaenil, not that the bugs just go into a black hole.00:35
faenilGeneralAntilles, they are already doing that00:35
faenilif we selecte bugs and let them know about them, they'll file in internal one00:35
GeneralAntillesfaenil, I mean specifically with a Jolla bugzilla.00:35
faenildoens't my sentence apply?00:35
AL13N_lizzyGeneralAntilles: w00t and special said they would look if it would be a good list of bugs00:35
Venemosrsly, I go away for an hour and you guys are still talking about this?00:36
GeneralAntillesfaenil, I'm not making a general argument about Jolla's bug tracking.00:36
fk_lxVenemo: I'm heading to sleep00:36
GeneralAntillesBut we had a bug tracker on maemo.org that only a handful of people from Nokia actually paid attention to, we don't want that situation duplicated.00:36
lpottersetup a JIRA. bz is no good  IMHO00:36
faenilGeneralAntilles, and the solution to that is?00:36
faenillpotter, serious or ironic?00:36
lpotterGeneralAntilles: my point exactly00:37
fk_lxVenemo: and I'm looking forward to what faenil says, he talks seriosuly about bugtracker!00:37
lpotterfaenil: I hate bz00:37
GeneralAntillesfaenil, solution is getting Jolla people engaged with the idea.00:37
fk_lxVenemo: but I need head to sleep00:37
AL13N_lizzyi couldn't care less about what bugtracker is used00:37
specialGeneralAntilles: I think the short term workflow would be that valid, actionable bugs get copied to the internal bz and worked on there.00:37
AL13N_lizzyi just want a place where bugs aren't forgotten00:37
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lpotterAL13N_lizzy: ok. mailing list/twitter it is!00:37
specialGeneralAntilles: and there's room to evolve the process as it grows00:37
AL13N_lizzylpotter: you're not alone00:37
AL13N_lizzy:-)00:38
faenilGeneralAntilles, they are already, but there are no resources/time atm00:38
GeneralAntillesfaenil, that's not likely to change anytime in the near future.00:38
AL13N_lizzyexactly00:38
GeneralAntillesThat's sort of a constant in this field, it seems.00:38
faenilGeneralAntilles, odn't know, so?00:38
specialon the other hand00:38
specialtriaging community bugs can't take half as long as this conversation.00:38
faenilspecial, +10000:38
AL13N_lizzyheh00:38
fk_lxanway heading to sleep, it was nice to talk to you all, special greetings to special and phdeswer for engaing in discussion with me00:38
fk_lxbye all00:39
faenilo/00:39
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faenilGeneralAntilles, what do you propose00:39
faenil(it's freaking late guys, crap :( )00:39
GeneralAntillesfaenil, nothing in particular.00:40
lpotterwhat!? not even noon!00:40
w00tfaenil: no, at this point, i think it's early00:40
AL13N_lizzylpotter: i like the devel ML as it is...nice short on emails, always very techy, i don't want to bloat it00:40
w00tfaenil: time to head to the office!00:40
faenilw00t, yeah o/00:40
AL13N_lizzylol00:40
AL13N_lizzyi'm gonna go sleep00:40
faenilw00t, at least in helsinki it was 4am and it was me you and special ( Aard and phaeron )00:41
faenilnow I would be alone, not fun :P00:41
specialI'll be with you in spirit00:41
Aardfaenil: remember, saturday, tampere00:41
faenilspecial, pah00:41
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faenilAard, oh, right! lunch? dinner? cinema? what are we doing? :P00:42
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pieemorning  china00:42
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: let's decide tomorrow what we do00:42
AL13N_lizzynight all00:42
Aardfaenil: probably something like lunch?00:42
faenilAL13N_lizzy, night o/00:42
faenilAard, yo00:42
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faenilgood night peoplezzz00:43
Venemonight :)00:43
specialfaenil: it's warmer in tampere than it is here :<00:45
faenilspecial, w00t?? (sorry robin)00:45
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specialI do not understand the question.00:45
faenilspecial, what??00:46
specialah00:46
specialFI would be a nicer place than here, at the moment.00:46
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faenilspecial, yeah, I mean, how does it come? :O00:47
w00tw00t indeed.00:47
faenileheh00:47
faenilit was -10 here 2 days ago00:47
faenilwhat happened in USA in the meanwhile?00:47
specialit hasn't gone above 0 for almost a week here00:48
faenilghh00:48
lpotterit better warm up there soon, otherwise there will be a few frozen australians00:48
faenilyea today it was -1 minimum, +3 maximum00:49
faenilsnow was melting, there was a mess in the streets00:49
faenillpotter, chill there as well?00:49
lpotterlast time I went to the US, it was 35C when we left, and -17c in Denver when we arrived00:50
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faenillpotter, holy fff00:50
lpotteror -17f... whichever it was00:50
faenilgood night peopleeee o/00:51
specialnight00:51
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MFaro-Tusinogoodnight faneil00:55
MFaro-Tusino*faenil00:55
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jjaoneGnite to all, you are doing amazing work, respect!01:04
w00tjjaone: night01:05
jjaonewOOt: :-)01:05
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narchiewhy does my gallery stay empty?06:15
narchieI've downloaded a few photos and took some with the camera06:15
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narchieyet they don't show up in gallery06:15
MFaro-Tusinonarchie: Tried a reboot ? :p06:20
tabaskonarchie: did you aso get jolla from dna? :)06:22
tabaskonarchie: how about preordered one?06:23
narchietabasko: yep. just send a mail to cancel my order06:27
narchiejust sent06:27
narchieMFaro-Tusino: doesn't help06:27
tabaskonarchie: same thing here. lets hope refund is easy06:27
MFaro-Tusinoyou'll need to fix the tracker then06:27
tabaskoif somebody here is willing to buy unused jolla, i i will sell it with normal price plus post06:28
narchiewhat do you mean06:28
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Kiranostabasko: Would be interesting to know what was your expectations when you bought the jolla phone and how did it let you down so that you know want to return it?07:22
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smokexI know why the gallery doesn't show photos07:24
smokexit doesn't recursively search folders within Photos for images07:24
smokexit only indexes .jpg files07:25
smokexadding a folder is amazingly hard07:25
aupotbr: The contact vcf file I sent you, I managed to prove (likely) that it is indeed the Japanese Kanji that make Messaging, Phone and People apps crash. I changed the Kanji in the contacts.db to romaji and removed the contacts.db-* files => all apps start working and all my contacts are intact.07:25
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smokexand I'm pretty sure I'm the only person so far that has managed to add an extra folder to the gallery at all07:26
smokexPhotos isn't included07:26
Kiranossmokex: symlink ftw :)07:27
smokexnano /usr/lib/oneshot.d/reindex-pictures07:29
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smokexCamera isn't included I mean07:30
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Kiranossmokex: nice find, hopefully there will be a public bugtracker soon07:33
smokexthere are qml files for adding and removing folders from the gallery07:33
smokexjust looks like its only 25% done07:34
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chriadamaupo: whoa, can you email me that vcf file?07:35
chriadamto chris.adams at jollamobile dot com please07:36
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micko_where do my files go if I send by bluetooth or download with sailbox? I'm trying to transfer a photo to use in contacts, but I can't get the image into gallery07:43
smokexdoes the jolla support flash?07:45
specialsmokex: no07:46
specialmaybe android browsers would, I don't know.07:46
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chriadamMirv: amccarthy might have some questions for you07:47
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Mirvchriadam: ok, happy to answer07:52
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chriadamMirv: heh, he actually had to leave the office.  but sometime soon I'm sure he'll have some questions (eg, he mentioned signal strength might be involved, switching between cells or something).  anyway, thanks once again for your help and patience with this.07:53
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Mirvsure, no problem07:56
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ZogG_laptopfaenil: i'm ready07:59
ZogG_laptopi free tonight07:59
faenilZogG_laptop, good o/07:59
ZogG_laptopafter 22:00 my time07:59
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ZogG_laptopfaenil: i'll ping you08:00
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faenilZogG_laptop, what's the time there atm08:01
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MFaro-TusinoCiao faenil o/08:15
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ShadowJKflash is not available for android anymore08:17
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faenilMFaro-Tusino, o/08:21
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RoopeBmorning08:21
RoopeBNeed some newbie help again: I just transferred few .apks to my Jolla's downloads forder (under nemo), how do I execute/install them?08:24
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Kiranosjust browsse to the apk and hit it :)08:28
KiranosRoopeB:08:28
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RoopeBKiranos: can't see them anywhere. How do I browse them?08:31
RoopeBKiranos: checked transfers already, but nothing there.08:32
KiranosRoopeB: http://elinux.org/Jolla08:32
Kiranosfollow that part under "Where do I put .apk files"08:32
RoopeBKiranos: thanks!08:33
Kiranosshould just be "download from web and choose install"08:33
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AL13N_lizzyless than 6h: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jolla-White-16GB-EU-Sailfish-OS-Mobile-Phone-/291032003687?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item43c2dbf46708:42
AL13N_lizzy820£ => almost 1k08:42
AL13N_lizzydjeez08:42
RoopeBKiranos: got it working :-) thanks08:42
KiranosRoopeB: great np :)08:43
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micko_is there a wiki or something one could report problems with android software on jolla08:46
micko_like wine apps database08:46
ggabrielmicko_: care@jolla.com?08:47
ggabrielnothing public yet afaik08:47
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TheBootrooOhai !08:51
micko_ggabriel: public one would be nice08:52
Kiranosmicko_: or use http://forum.jollausers.com/android-on-sailfish/08:52
ggabrielmicko_: jolla said they will do a bug tracker eventually, but no time yet08:52
micko_Kiranos: ok08:52
TheBootrooi calculated that if jolla has to process all the 20k preorder this week, and put only 100 of their 250 people on it, it would make 40 orders / employee / day  during this week08:52
TheBootroocan easily be done imho08:52
ggabrielTheBootroo: lol08:52
pajuGoogle lists Jolla as Maemo in account activity report08:53
ggabrielnot sure why you think 20k08:53
ggabrielpaju: does it surprise you that google has the wrong information? :-)08:53
TheBootrooso i hope seeing all order 'shipping' by friday, including mine08:53
TheBootrooggabriel: i read this number many times08:53
ggabrielTheBootroo: they said they'll deliver 20k devices in december08:53
ggabrielthey didn't say that the 20k were for preorders08:53
ggabrieli estimate 10k for preorders08:54
ggabrieland the remainder for dna08:54
Morpog_N9TheBootroo, tjey are 90+, not 25008:54
TheBootrooMorpog_N9: wut ? last year i read in an article that they passed from 50+ to 250+ in first year of existence08:55
Morpog_N9nope08:55
Stskeepsnop, 90+08:55
TheBootroook wait08:57
VDVsx__and some of them not even in Finland, if is from there the devices are coming :)08:57
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TheBootrooif 50 of the 90 people take part in packing, 20k would be done in 5 days at the rate of 80 device by day by person08:57
TheBootroostill doable08:58
ggabriel(not to mention that you don't expect evrey single employee to do packing/posting...)08:58
TheBootrooggabriel: that's why i said "50 of the 90"08:58
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Morpog_N9i prefer them working on the software08:59
ggabrielTheBootroo: that seems like a big proportion to me, but i'm not a jolla employee, so i can't say08:59
ggabrielMorpog_N9: +108:59
TheBootrooMorpog_N9: they will be back on SW as soon as shipping issue is adressed09:00
TheBootrooand delays, collapsed09:00
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TheBootrooi can deal with a device in beta one more week, but i can't deal with one more week of shipment delay09:00
TheBootroocause else, christmas will be over, and YES, that's important to me, i put all my money in my christmas gift, so i expect it for christmas09:01
AL13N_lizzymicko_: some of us (community) are contemplating a technical sailfish bug list09:02
AL13N_lizzymicko_: what kind of issue is it?09:03
AL13N_lizzyah, android09:03
AL13N_lizzymicko_: there might be an alien dalvik buglist you can post to?09:03
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KiranosTheBootroo: just take a cup of coffee, it will arrive in time :)09:07
TheBootrooKiranos: already took too many coffee, i'm excited now09:07
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Kiranosif it doesnt arrive until christmas, give a voucher09:08
Kiranosor is it a christmas gift to yourself?09:08
TheBootrooKiranos: to myself, long-awaited really needed as my current phone is dying each a little more09:08
micko_AL13N_lizzy: nevermind about this bug :). now that I'm awake and I can rotate coordinates in my head again, there seems to be no bug. just the lack of gps09:09
Tofemoi09:09
TheBootrooand what worries me is that on the spreadsheet on Google doc, yet only order number with last 4 digits <1000 are 'in picking', and i'm > 250009:09
ggabrielmicko_: on the jolla?09:09
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TheBootrooTofe: hehe wut ?09:09
micko_ggabriel: on an android software on jolla09:09
ggabrielTheBootroo: fwiw, there is at least one case where the order is"paid", and the device is already in the person's hands09:10
micko_sky map09:10
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ggabrielmicko_: latest os?09:10
KiranosTheBootroo: be sure they are doing everything in their power to satisfy pre-orders, they most likely cant do more than what they already are doing. We have to relax and they arrive when they arrive09:10
TheBootrooggabriel: pics or it didn't happen !09:10
ggabrielTheBootroo: ask the guy.....09:10
micko_it rotated the stars but everything was in wrong directions09:10
TheBootrooggabriel: who ?09:10
AL13N_lizzymicko_: ah09:10
TofeTheBootroo: 'moi' is 'hey', but yes, it looks weird for a french09:10
ggabrielmicko_: interesting, i'd report it... gps is one of the things they fixed09:10
micko_now I realized it only thought I was at the equator09:11
AL13N_lizzymicko_: i'm sure they will fix it in some next version09:11
TheBootrooTofe: oh, ok XD09:11
ggabrielTheBootroo: go to tmo, read the last pages of the tracking number thread, can't remember the name of the person09:11
AcceHas Jolla crew talked anything about opening an official bug tracker?09:11
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micko_hmm... I'll look into it more when I get back home09:11
ggabrielAcce: yes, and they said "not yet" due to time constraints09:11
AL13N_lizzyAcce: marc had said something about no resources yet09:11
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AL13N_lizzysince sailfish is largely based mostly on open source, most of the problems can be put upstream though09:12
TheBootrooomfg, best post ever on TMO : "" MARC D said he was travelling during the last days. Maybe he is deliver phones. ""09:12
TheBootrooXDD09:12
AL13N_lizzythough alien dalvik not have access to GPS, could be an alien dalvik bug, but also a permission issue in sailfishOS09:12
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AL13N_lizzycan anyone find out if alien dalvik has some kind of bugtracker?09:13
AL13N_lizzyi should put a list on http://elinux.org/Jolla too09:14
faenilinternal one afaik09:14
AL13N_lizzyalien dalvik? is not open source?09:14
Stskeeps3rd party, not open source09:14
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AL13N_lizzyah09:14
AL13N_lizzycrap09:14
Acceyeah, it's too bad, but it works09:14
AL13N_lizzyStskeeps: do they have some kind of contact stuff, or do they expect only customers to communicate to them?09:15
AL13N_lizzyif so, then there is actually a need for a to-be-filed-to-alien-dalvik-bugtracker category on a community bugtracker :-)09:16
AL13N_lizzyhoping someone from Jolla can pass it on09:16
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Stskeepsit'll be passed on09:16
TheBootrooaccording to someone on TMO, In Picking means that packagehas already been processed and now waiting for post service to pick it up09:16
AL13N_lizzyor cheat and write a script that mails each such bug directly :-)09:16
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phlixiwhere as usually "picking" is the process where some one goes to the store nd PICKs several items together wich are then sent as one package09:23
phlixi...picking the items from the store into the package...09:24
ggabrielcybette clearly stated that "in picking" was that they were making fun of the phones09:25
ggabrielso stop trying to read between the lies09:25
ggabriellines even09:25
ggabriel"in picking" is a bunch of jolla employees laughing at the device for a while before they ship it09:25
phlixii am not trying to read between the lines, i just said what that usually means09:25
ggabriel(and I am joking :-) )09:26
phlixiand i am aware that at jolla this seems to be something different.. as i ordered only one phone, and not a phone, a lawn mower and a book or whatever that needs to be "picked together" ;-)09:27
ggabrielphlixi: i joke because this conversation seems to happen 2-3 times a day09:27
ggabrielnobody "knows" officially what "in picking" exactly means09:27
ggabrielbut just take the hint that they do this in batches09:27
phlixithats what i said what picking is^^09:28
ggabrielso it isn't like one person is dedicated to one order09:28
phlixithats why*09:28
ggabriel:)09:28
phlixihowever, i preordered (from and to germany) on the first day possible (first wave of course...) and paid within ~30minutes after i was allowed to...09:29
phlixi...and it still says "paid" (since more than 2 weeks now ;( )09:29
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ggabrielTheBootroo: the total amount of orders in the spreadsheet doubled since yesterday09:30
ggabrieland the %age varied 5%09:30
ggabrielso my original deviation estimation wasn't too bad09:30
phlixiggabriel: i know that 90% of the channel content is whining aobut the (non) Delivery... for this reason i will now stop^^09:30
ggabrielphlixi: i totally sympathise09:30
TheBootrooggabriel: as you can see by yourself, only order numb < 1000 have been processed so fat09:31
TheBootroo*far09:31
ggabrielTheBootroo: yeah, that's cool09:31
TheBootrooggabriel: no, that's not09:31
ggabrielso maybe in the next couple of days they'll do <200009:31
ggabrielyes, progress is cool09:31
ggabrielstagnation isn't09:31
ggabrielprogress means that they'll eventually get to everybody's orders09:31
ggabrielstagnation means that they'll sell the division to m$ or worse... ;)09:32
phlixioh, wow, i checked (a minute ago) and now it says "in picking" for my order tooo (yesterday evening, when i checked last, it was still "paid")09:33
* TheBootroo checks his order....09:34
ggabrielphlixi: woooho09:34
faenilphlixi, :)09:34
* TheBootroo 's order still bloody "Paid"09:34
TheBootroophlixi: which order number do you have ?09:34
phlixisince i know that half of the whining includes guessing about the different numbers, mine is 20000086x09:34
TheBootroostill <100009:35
Azogmine is "in picking", too, (< 500)09:35
Azognice09:35
TheBootrooif they take one week to process <1000, then another one to process <2000, mine will be processed in two weeks and i'll get it for Easter09:36
ggabrielAzog: yes!09:36
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RoopeBAre you guys able to edit your contacts direct from phone, edit phone numbers, delete them... ?09:39
smokexyes RoopeB09:40
DottiRoopeB: yes09:40
RoopeBfor some reason, I'm not able to.09:40
RoopeBHave to check where's the problem09:41
hene-realted to that, is it really true that you cant set picture for contact?09:44
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RoopeBAh, my phone uses my google contacts. It has no actual contacts in it self. Have to figure out how to sync / transfer my google contacts to my Jolla.09:52
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RoopeBDisabled my google account from settings and my contacts disappeared.09:52
WntRoopeB: maybe there is a way to export all contacts to a vcf file while the account is enabled09:56
tachikomai'm feeling with you TheBootroo ;)09:56
Wntthen disable it and open the vcf file to import all contacts09:56
TheBootrootachikoma: hehe you too with number > 200009:56
tachikomayes09:56
Wntor maybe that contacts -> vcf file can be done in Google's contact manager site09:56
tachikomasome 100 above you09:57
tachikoma261609:57
RoopeBWnt, Yep I'll try that. Thanks :)09:57
tachikomathe only positive thing is that once i get it - the shop will not be empty and updates will be released09:57
TheBootrootachikoma: heeh09:58
TheBootrootachikoma: processing of our orders seems so far away, as not even 1xxx have been processed atm, so 2xxx .... :-(09:59
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hene-RoopeB: I sent contact (vcf files) to email and opened that email on my jolla phone10:04
hene-it adds contacts10:04
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RoopeBhene-: thanks! I'll try to the same.10:04
Venemomorning10:04
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ggabrielhene-: one by one? or does it do a bunch of them?10:04
hene-one by one10:04
hene-:(10:04
ggabrielgaa10:05
tachikomaTheBootroo: I'm not that much concerned, i reflashed my n900 and use the time to configure the heck out of it so it will be stored in a good software condition10:05
hene-did not figure out how to open as a bunch10:05
TheBootroohene-: just concatenate all vcf in one10:06
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TheBootroohene-: and then import it10:06
hene-how?10:06
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TheBootrooon linux :   cat *.vcf > contacts.vcf10:06
TheBootrooon windows i don't know10:06
hene-ok. I have already imported those, but RoopeB and ggabriel10:07
hene-take a hint :)10:07
RoopeBhene-: I have my contacts on my google accout and it was possible to export them all to one file.10:07
TofeTheBootroo: isn't there a little trick with adding an endline after each vcf content ?10:07
hene-RoopeB, oh, nice10:07
TheBootrooTofe: i don't beleive10:08
hene-but is it really that you cant add picture for contact in Jolla?10:08
cybettehene-: you should be able to10:08
TheBootroocybette: hello :-)10:09
hene-where? did not found picture "field"10:09
Tofehene-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRZxM9rNyZ4 0:23-0:2410:09
cybettehene-: touch the avatar and select from gallery. depending if the contact is linked to google and facebook it'll display avatars from those networks too10:09
TheBootroohene-: just tap/long press image ?10:09
Tofeor maybe Marc is hardcoded ^^10:09
cybetteTheBootroo: hi :)10:09
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ggabrieloh, so it does accept multiple contacts in one vcf10:10
ggabrieli read somewhere that it didn't10:10
TheBootroocybette: do you have any way to know which is the highest order number actually processed atm ? cause many people say webshop information is out-of-date10:10
ggabrieli'll try, of course10:10
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ggabrielif/when i get the device ;)10:10
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tachikomacybette: just wanna know - is the info that if paid before dec 02 the phone will be delivered before christmas still true?10:11
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tachikomait's ok, i just wanna know10:11
ggabrielcybette just went and hid under a desk10:12
cybettestill here :) too many windows10:12
tachikomait  should not be so hard to just give a status10:12
* ggabriel whistles10:12
cybetteTheBootroo: i don't have access to that system, but it seems like webshop status is not the most up-to-date10:12
cybettetachikoma: christmas for finland, december for EU10:13
tachikomaand I'm just curios, i can imagine that with such a small company stuff might not work out as expected, which is fine, just being open and transparent about that would be nice10:13
tachikomaok, thanks :)10:13
TheBootroocybette: as i said before, what really worries me is that all people reporting update are all <1000, and i'm >2500, so it makes me think i'll have to wait a long time more....10:13
cybettetachikoma: thanks for patience :) we are sorting through the mess ourselves, including the communications mess10:14
cybetteTheBootroo: i understand your worry. i don't even have a webshop invite for one of my own orders :-/10:14
smokexI'm a bit disappointed actually10:15
ggabrieli can understand tachikoma10:15
smokexthis is supposed to be beta quality but looking under the hood it seems to be more early alpha10:15
ggabrielhim/her being an AI10:15
ggabrieltime goes slower ;)10:15
cybetteTheBootroo: but i know my co-workers who are in the field making sure the packages are being moved as fast as possible10:16
tachikomacybette: i waited 4 years for a worthy replacement of my beloved n900, i can wait a few more days. I'm mostly interested as i might go away for some days over christmas and reallt don;t want that phone be sent back as nobody was at home wehn delivered10:16
TheBootroocybette: but is the process on each package really that long ? or is the company that handles shipping too slow to pick them when they are ready ?10:16
tachikomaggabriel: hehe :)10:17
tachikomai wonder if enough phones have already been produced ;)10:17
smokexDNA is slow as hell10:17
cybettetachikoma: are you the one who asked about that on twitter?10:17
TheBootroocybette: if i remember correclty , someone from Jolla saif pĥone come from factory already flashed, so only handling is what ? put in box, stamp, and store somewhere for Fedex/UPS/DHL to pick them ?10:18
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Kiranos[10:10:26] <Kiranos> TheBootroo: be sure they are doing everything in their power to satisfy pre-orders, they most likely cant do more than what they already are doing. We have to relax and they arrive when they arrive10:18
ggabrielTheBootroo: you make it sound so easy10:18
Kiranos:)10:18
tachikomacybette: no, I'm having my twitter account only for idling, a habit i picked up on irc some hnudred years ago ;)10:18
tachikomai could built you a robot that does the packaging ;)10:19
TheBootrooggabriel: actually, i can't see which part of the process is hard/long10:19
cybetteTheBootroo: the problems involved also transferring data from our system to the shipping side, not just the packing flashing etc.10:19
TheBootroocybette: oh, so more technical issue than logistical ones ?10:19
tachikomai think the problems are all those small things nobody has expected or foreseen that now interfere with a smooth process...10:20
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tachikomalike - what - I can't send it in this format to that company?10:20
ggabrielTheBootroo: seriously? have you ever repeated the same "simple" task hundreds of times? if so, you may have found that a %age of those times it went wrong10:20
ggabrielso you had to add checks to the process10:20
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ggabrielprobably 2 or 3 checks10:20
cybettetachikoma: yeah so there are others with your same concern. let's hope you get it in time before you travel!10:20
ggabrielanyway, i won't comment10:21
* ggabriel shuts up10:21
tachikomacybette: well, I actually make my travel plan dependent on the phones arrival10:21
tachikomacurrently i have all travel plans on hold as i have no idea when it might arrive10:21
cybettetachikoma: for that you deserve a *HUG*10:21
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* TheBootroo is jealous10:21
hene-:)10:21
cybetteTheBootroo: we are dealing with multiple issues yes10:22
tachikomai'm slightly planning for january, but nit very sure. Thats why I really would be happy if you tell me something like "well, something fucked up and we only can ship it to you in mid january" as the  I'd leave at christmas10:22
cybettewelll ok....10:22
* cybette hugs TheBootroo 10:22
TheBootrooi'm traveling from 21th dec 2013 to 8th Jan 201410:22
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MMoricybette: beware, you'll soon be hugging people the whole day :P10:23
cybetteMMori: i don't mind, hugs are great. therapeutic even10:23
narchiejolla10:23
narchiejolla10:23
MMoricybette: great! :) Then it's all good10:24
TheBootrooreally want my phone before i travel, because long tens of hours in train will be sooo long without my new toy to play... and i i only get it when back from holidays, well i won't have many time to play with it, and overall, i will not have it in decemver 2013...10:24
TheBootroonarchie: weren't you going to buy one at  DNA ?10:24
narchieI did10:24
narchiejust got a working micro sim as well10:25
TheBootroonarchie: ohhh so you have it now ?10:25
narchieyes :)10:25
TheBootrooohhhhhh10:25
TheBootrooSo bad i can't go to finland10:25
MMoriTheBootroo: take a weekend trip?10:25
* Tofe slips under the table10:25
tachikomai mean - just put this into perspective, when will you ever get a hug from google or apple community managers ;)10:25
TheBootrooMMori: i don't have money anymore10:25
tachikomajolla did what had to be done10:25
cybetteTheBootroo: if you come to finland, i'll deliver the hug in person :)10:26
TheBootroocybette: and the phone ?10:26
TheBootrooXD10:26
MMoritachikoma: That's absolutely so true.10:26
cybetteTheBootroo: that you can buy from DNA yourself ;)10:26
ggabrieltachikoma: i feel like google and friends are trying to hug me all the time, like the octopus that the US put in their latest surveillance sat10:26
MMoriAww, cybette is so kind!10:26
tbrggabriel: boa constrictor?10:27
tachikomaggabriel: yeah - ok, that kind of hug ...10:27
Tofecybette: I arrive on Sunday!10:27
ggabrieltbr: no, it's a kind of logo they put, it's an octopus10:27
ggabrielcybette: you can get a hug from me too, although i'm not too concerned about the phone, i like expecting things10:27
TheBootrooTofe: are you really going over there ?10:28
narchienormally I would have waited patiently too10:28
narchiebut alas10:28
narchiemy E7 microusb socket broke10:28
TofeTheBootroo: yes yes10:28
cybetteTofe: cool! for how long?10:28
narchienow last week, the same happened to my N90010:28
Tofecybette: two weeks10:28
cybetteggabriel: sure, where you at?10:28
narchieso I had no options10:28
tachikomawell, i did a little trick, realizing that the phone might take some time - i got a 256gb ssd for my 7 year old laptop to keep me distracted with setting it up from scratch ;)10:28
narchieI don't even have a working backup phone anymore10:28
Tofebtw, what about a beer with some sailors in Helsinki ? Too complicated to organize ?10:28
ggabrielcybette: UK, so next time i'm in .fi, otherwise digital hug :-)10:28
TheBootroonarchie: i can wait if i know exactly how long i have to wait, not when i wait and wait and don't see anything coming10:28
ggabrielnarchie: you forgot to add "also, it was shiny" :-)10:29
cybetteggabriel: london area? i need to go back again soon. was there couple weeks ago and my london friends were mad at me because i didn't have time to meet up with them10:29
hene-sorry for interrupting but how to add picture to contact? no facebook10:30
hene-:)10:30
cybetteTofe: we can arrange something10:30
ggabrielcybette: aye, london, hard to meet with people, you have to plan with months in advance10:30
sdjaynahene-: add the contact, go to people, select the contact, and at the top you should see a picture box with a + sign10:30
ggabrielcybette: even with my friends who live in london :-)10:30
tachikomaso, in about two hours my ssd arrives, then i might be idle for some time ;)10:30
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cybetteggabriel: indeed. finnish cities are so much easier :P10:31
MMoriI think it's time for me to go to the local post office and get my hands on my Jolla <310:31
ggabrieltachikoma: i'm jelous... i'll have a brand new can opener soon. i think i'll get bored of it in 2 minutes10:31
StskeepsMMori: good luck, and let us know of first impressions!10:31
ggabrielMMori: woohoo10:31
tachikomaggabriel: lol10:31
cybetteMMori: congrats!10:31
tachikomait's my very first ssd10:31
MMoriStskeeps: I shall! :)10:31
hene-sdjayna: thanks! I was trying to search it from "edit contact"10:32
ln-is it intended behaviour that downloading an ambience for a TOH is only suggested when TOH is attached while the phone is on?10:32
ggabrielln-: i believe so. TOH has an ID that enables content10:32
MMoricybette: Thanks :)10:32
ggabrielothers can correct me if i'm wrong10:32
ln-ggabriel: but if you take a brand new phone, insert a sim and battery, attach TOH, and then power it up, you'll never be offered the ambience download?10:33
ln-(unless you remove and reattach TOH)10:33
TheBootrooMMori: you too !10:33
tachikomai think hacking around the other half is actually what currently intrigues me most10:33
Tofecybette: oh, that would be nice indeed; I'll be not that long in Helsinki, as I will go to Turku maybe on Tuesday, but if we can manage something that'd be great :)10:34
TheBootrooMMori: lucky one10:34
cybetteln-: yes, as designed, or else when you have the TOH on it will constantly ping you to download10:34
ggabrielln-: out of my depth there i'm afraid10:34
tachikomain january i will have my first attempts on a 3d printer :)10:34
MMoriTheBootroo: yes, I'm lucky. I hope you'll get yours too soon!10:34
TheBootroo:-|10:34
MMorinot too soon but soon too10:34
TheBootroo(-_-)10:34
cybetteln-: so it only checks when you attach it while phone is on10:34
tachikomaI'll first try building a TOH with solarpanel and battery, so that the battery gets charged wghenever it lays in the sun10:35
tachikomasound easy enough10:35
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TheBootrootachikoma: quite dangerous, sun warm will damage battery/phone components10:35
cybetteTofe: i'm based in tampere, can travel to either city. we have couple sailors in turku as well10:35
ln-cybette: is there a reason why it couldn't perform one check during bootup?10:36
tachikomaTheBootroo: well, i have two such external battery/solar comobinations and that never was a big issue10:36
tachikomabasically i just want to have such a thing in the shape of oth in order to easily connect it10:36
Tofecybette: oh, even easier then. Almost everything became a pub in Turku these last years :)10:37
tachikomaand to try out 3d printing with something that actually makes some kind of sense10:37
cybetteln-: that i'm not sure, maybe some more knowledgeable sailors in here can answer10:37
cybetteTofe: oh yes, bank, pharmacy, toilet..10:37
ln-ok, thanks10:37
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Tofecybette: school too...10:38
cybetteah yes10:38
sledgesfk_lx: read up yesterdays chat: why not use https://bugs.nemomobile.org ?10:38
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tachikomaand then tachikoma started reading bugreports ...10:39
fk_lxsledges: well in my opinion we should decide on some solution and stick to it10:39
Tofewell well. I'll see what I can propose, the last thing I want is to delay you in your Holy Tasks with choosing a place10:39
cybetteTofe: or come to tampere on wednesday, my orchestra is playing a christmas concert http://taso.fi/index.php/en/10:39
sdjaynaln-: i can confirm there is an open bug for that ;)10:40
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TheBootrooaccording to spreadsheet, ~800 orders have been processed10:40
cybettesdjayna: good to know :)10:40
TheBootroostill far from the 4k10:40
tachikomanever point me to bugzillas ...10:40
ln-sdjayna: ok, good to know :)10:40
sledgesfk_lx: that's the closest solution you can get: mer/nemo infra is hosted by mer community, you can't change closed sailfish bits, jolla is relies on community to do the sailfish/nemo porting on other devices so10:40
ggabrielTheBootroo: cybette said that the webdshop status may be outdated a little bit :-)10:40
tachikomai have to read the bugs then10:40
sledgeswhatever you change in sailfish in order to work on e.g. n9, you will see you are ending up changing nemo-mw (open) or n9 hardware adaptation (also stored in nemo)10:41
TheBootrooggabriel: then it's not 'a little bit' but "a huge bit" if you go from ~800 to ~400010:41
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sledgestachikoma: most of bugs are irrelevant (old). read only wayland/qt5 ones: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=wayland%2Fqt510:44
sledgesin nemo we have just restarted using bugzilla, because until now we were busy with planning/implementing the new components set10:45
tachikomasledges: i work in qa and i have this habbit of reading bugs not for the content but for the way people work. Bugzillas give a great insight in the product quality based on the way people work10:45
sledgestachikoma: ever worked in a wild and free opensource community's project as QA? ;)10:46
sledgesiekku has ;)10:46
tachikomasledges: yeah, exactly that is the reason i read bugzillas, they give a good overview10:46
ggabrielsome bugs can make me a sad panda10:46
Tofecybette: not sure for Tampere, I'll discuss with my wife tonight, and keep in touch :)10:46
DeeGeeso, where do the android programs store their settings? For some reason amazon store turned it's language into japanese for me...10:47
sledgesmost people that commented on old bugs are not in the project anymore :)10:47
cybettesledges: "wild and free" lol. but true10:47
cybetteTofe: please do!10:47
sledgescybette: yep, i like the sound of it roarr :))10:47
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hene-anyone else had problems with headphones? when I plug it in I can hear loud clacking noise10:47
tachikomasledges: i work at suse ;)10:48
Stskeepstachikoma: you should be happy with libzypp then :P10:48
cybettehene-: what headphones do you have10:48
hene-n9 handsfree10:49
tachikomaStskeeps: i am as happy with dpkg as with libzypp or else - if it does waht it was designed for and it was well designed - I'll take it10:49
ggabrielhene-: those won't' work10:49
hene-oh? :C10:49
ggabrielhene-: you need an adaptor or headphones that work for ios/android10:49
hene-shiet10:49
hene-has to go for shopping then10:49
ggabrielhene-: if you love those headphones, adaptors are not really expensive10:49
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ggabrielhene-: i can recommend one (if it's still in amazon)10:50
ggabrielhene-: i use it to make ios/android ones work in the n9 :)10:50
hene-nääh, I just buy new ones10:50
ggabrielhene-: yeah, get new ones, it's always nice to get new things10:50
hene-yep :)10:50
ggabrielcybette: sorry i jumped the gun, thought i'd save some time ;)10:51
sledgestachikoma: kudos to suse, lots of things were well designed, no wonder nokia took some infra (think OBS, zypp et al.) to produce n910:51
cybettehene-: it's the whole ahj and omtp thing, i learnt it hard way myself10:51
sledgestachikoma: ;) https://twitter.com/sledgeSim/status/29818837059988684810:51
cybetteggabriel: no worries, thanks for jumping in :)10:51
tachikomasledges: we do what we can. But a lot of stuff improved internally in last years and i think it reflects in the products10:51
hene-cybette, okey :)10:52
tachikomasledges: :)10:52
ggabrielcybette: i also learnt the hard way (gf gave me headphones that didn't work, so was utterly depressed). fixed it with 5 usd10:52
hene-btw. anyone else had problems with emails which has attachemtns?10:52
hene-I get email with attachment in it my phone shows totally empty email - no text, nothing10:52
tachikomaggabriel: for android special headphones are needed?10:52
ggabrieltachikoma: no, i mean the ones that come with a microphone10:52
ggabrielbasically, the 3.5mm jack has 2 standards10:53
ggabrielthe nokia one and the rest-of-world one10:53
cybettesledges: i remember that pic!10:53
ggabrieland there is an adaptor that converts it10:53
tachikomaggabriel: ah, those headsets with 3,5 connector10:53
tachikomai see10:53
sledgescybette: good (old times) :) coming to fosdem soon?10:53
cybettesledges: not sure yet, might have other plans right around that time :-/10:55
* Stskeeps is going to fosdem, maybe will have a talk, maybe not10:55
sledgesthe 14th ;D10:55
cybetteabout headphones, the nokia standard was actually the one everyone used until apple came along and come up with the new stanrdard10:55
sledgesStskeeps: \yay/10:55
hene-haha! just heard that I was "mentioned" in local news paper :) they did interview of DNA store seller. Seller told that they had one pre-orderer and couple "normal buyer" :)10:55
ggabrielre headphones, yes, that's why i loathe appple and friends10:56
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ggabriel(especially since it's just swapping a contact grrr)10:56
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DeeGeeSo, is there a way to reset android program settings like on actual android? Reinstalling a program just brings back old settings.10:56
StskeepsDeeGee: how do you do that in android?10:56
cybetteggabriel: exactly. "we need to be special"10:57
Dima^Stskeeps: removing all app's data in app manager10:57
cybettehene-: you're a celebrity now!10:57
tachikomaStskeeps: reflash the whol system - thats what i do10:57
hene-cybette: yes indeed, hah :)10:57
tachikomabut i only have on ainol 7'' tablet10:57
DeeGeeStskeeps: There is the settings -> apps or something like that where you can reset each installed apps settings/files.10:58
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Dima^you can flush cachesh individually etc10:58
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StskeepsDeeGee: filed an idea about this11:00
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DeeGeeMy amazon app store set it's language to japanese when I logged in with my account... At first it was on english. I found it's settings menu even in japanese, but there doesn't seem to be language setting...11:00
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* TheBootroo feeling really depressed about seeing everyone-but-him with updates11:09
TheBootroo:-(((11:09
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tobiskiTheBootroo: right there with ya11:09
Stskeepsno update for me yet too11:10
sledgesno update here too, and i was one of the first ones11:10
TheBootrooStskeeps: you can see what is happening, we can't11:10
TheBootroosledges: which ID ?11:10
sledgesgive startup some slack ;) i can understand them, so not complaining11:10
StskeepsTheBootroo: no, i can't11:11
Stskeeps:P11:11
TheBootrooStskeeps: you could if you really wanted to11:11
Stskeepsi'm in another country than where the devices are :P11:11
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TheBootrooyou could go, see Marc or anyone else and go "Hey, duh, wazup with mah order ?"11:12
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Stskeepsi like it here in my home office. it's warm.11:13
tobiskiit starts to be warm in finland too, +3 degree celcius and half of the snow is gone11:13
ggabriel^ and you can make yourself some pop corn11:13
Dima^cop porn11:14
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TheBootrooDima^: XDDDD11:14
TheBootrooi'm curious to know how many people actually work on ship process11:16
hene-:D11:16
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ggabrielTheBootroo: that probably won't help11:17
ggabrielbecause whatever number you hear, you'll want more11:17
ggabrieland sometimes you can't make 1 human baby with 9 women in 1 month11:17
w00tStskeeps: speak for your own office11:18
* w00t shivers11:18
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TheBootrooggabriel: actually, the only number i really care about is the date/hour of my delivery11:18
ggabrielw00t: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brHqBcZqNzE11:18
TheBootrooall the rest is boring waiting stuff and anger11:18
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ggabrielw00t: i haven't tried it, but if i were cold, i surely would ;-)11:19
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micko_anyone else have problems with camera's white balance?11:24
* TheBootroo goes to lunch and as usual, firmly expects the sooo much awaited email while eating11:24
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tomyrimicko_: if you mean reddish pictures then yes11:26
chem|stTheBootroo: are you in picking yet?11:26
micko_here's a photo with automatic white balance http://www.flickr.com/photos/96700120@N06/11337249476/ and here's with "loisteputkilamppu" (fluorescent lamp?) http://www.flickr.com/photos/96700120@N06/11337174935/11:26
micko_tomyri: not reddish. blue11:27
micko_btw androids flickr client seems to be working quite nicely11:27
ggabrielmicko_: wow, massive difference11:27
tomyrimicko_: ok, with light bulb auto gives me very red images11:28
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ggabrielmicko_: i'd say send that evidence to care@jolla.com11:30
micko_outside in normal finnish winter weather it seems to be working ok http://www.flickr.com/photos/96700120@N06/11337335244/11:30
micko_so I'd think it's some kind of problem with fluorescent lamp and flash led11:30
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micko_but yeah... I'll send to jolla. this is quite annoying feature11:31
micko_...to care@jolla.com...11:32
ggabrielhopefully just software11:32
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Tujutzkimicko: I´ve had same results with my photos11:36
Milo-I accidentelly changed the camera app's shutter position to left side, and I've no idea how that dialog originally appeared.11:38
hene-I just sent email about email attachments problem :(11:38
Milo-nvm. accidentally figured that out.11:38
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Milo-and now the camera app crashed :)11:40
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RoopeBHow do I install .rpm file? "xdg-open `pwd`/${app}.rpm" did not work.12:01
Tofepkcon install file.rpm ?12:01
VDVsx__hene-, what's the problem with email attachments ?12:02
zuttoshouldnt just 'rpm -i file.rpm' work?12:02
MFaro-Tusinozutto: it does >.<12:03
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RoopeBThanks zutto!12:03
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hene-VDVsx__: I noticed that if attachment is over ~20kt then Jolla shows whole email as empty = no text in email body field, no attachment(s) - just blank email12:04
hene-so basically every email which has attachment is blank12:04
cybetteRoopeB: pkcon install-local file.rpm12:05
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VDVsx__hene-, humm, works fine for me, why you want the attachment to show inside the email body ? is that a inline image ?12:05
hene-VDVsx__: no I dont want to see attachment inside email body :) I meant, that if email has text in body AND attachment - then the whole email is empty12:05
hene-no text, no attachments12:06
VDVsx__hene-, can you send such emails ? if you could send one to vdvtest100@gmail.com would be appreciated12:07
hene-OR if email has just attachment that is over ~20kt cant see that attachment also12:07
hene-I can forward one from the Jolla?12:07
hene-if that is what you mean12:07
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VDVsx__hene-, yes, might work12:08
hene-what, it does not allow Send12:09
hene-ah, now12:09
hene-should be on your @box12:09
VDVsx__hene-, can you create such emails ie send directly from the web/outlook ? if I understood correctly is just an email with one attachment bigger than 20kb ?12:11
hene-yes?12:13
hene-but dont understand12:13
smokexQt 5.2 is out12:13
MFaro-Tusinocybette: Why do you reccommend pkcon over rpm?12:14
* TheBootroo is back12:15
TheBootroochem|st: nope :-(((12:15
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: WDYT? http://elinux.org/Jolla#I_have_an_issue.2Fidea.2Fproblem_aka_Where_to_get_help12:15
hene-VDVsx__, the email which I forwarded was originally sent from web12:15
AL13N_lizzyis this a good structure on how to get help or how to help others get help?12:15
faenilAL13N_lizzy, yeah, maybe but jolla apps higher in the list, as that's a more common case12:16
VDVsx__hene-, replied to that email with an attachment, please let me know how the email looks like12:16
faenilthan nemo/mer bugs12:17
hene-VDVsx__: empyt email12:17
Tofesmokex: oh, great, qml singletons are entering the arena12:17
w00tMFaro-Tusino: rpm can't do remote fetching and isn't how package manaagement works for updates/store management, so it's closer to the "real thing"12:17
hene-let me take a screenshot12:17
VDVsx__hene-, are you opening from the notifications or from the email list ?12:17
hene-VDVsx__: from the email list12:17
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: like this?12:18
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: or more higher?12:18
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hene-argh, how to take screenshot with that screenshot app. damn12:18
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: if we create a bugtracker, then we can make a flowchar image out of this and spread via #twitter12:18
MFaro-Tusinow00t: thanks for that. I used pkcon initially to get zypper when it wasn't installed, so I assumed it was the main method the OS used12:18
VDVsx__hene-, strange works just fine here, is that IMAP, POP or exchange account ?12:18
faenilAL13N_lizzy, I still see it number1012:18
hene-VDVsx__: POP12:18
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AL13N_lizzyah, you meant jolla apps, not regular apps12:19
VDVsx__hene-, gonna try with pop then12:19
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: this better?12:20
hene-VDVsx__: this is what I see when open that email: http://hene.daug.net/jolla/20131212141324.png12:20
MFaro-TusinoCan someone with a Pebble test the android pebble app's functionlaity12:21
AL13N_lizzywhat is a pebble?12:21
smokexthat is a very bright email hene-12:22
faenilAL13N_lizzy, I'd put it like 4 or 512:22
hene-yes12:22
hene-just blank "page"12:22
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: i donno, i think this is better, but i don't want to endlessly discuss it, so if you like it better different, it's a public wiki, you can change it :-)12:23
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: sorry for being lazy12:24
AL13N_lizzyor yanno, stubborn12:24
AL13N_lizzygtg back to work!12:24
MFaro-TusinoAL13N_lizzy: Smart watch12:25
faenilAL13N_lizzy, as you wish12:26
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VDVsx__hene-, yup, there's a bug :(, if you are familiar with command line and developer mode I can send instructions how to fix it, just requires copying one file and recreating the account12:28
AL13N_lizzyhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jolla-White-16GB-EU-Sailfish-OS-Mobile-Phone-/291032003687?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item43c2dbf467 --> 2h to go, 850£ > 1k€ ...12:31
JopeI wonder what N950s go for these days. :-D12:31
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MFaro-TusinoJope: 1k eur+ last i knew12:38
Jopehe12:38
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hene-VDVsx__, okey :C12:41
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TheBootroocybette: do you look at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=sharing#gid=0 sometimes?12:45
TheBootroonice community initiative :-)12:45
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cybetteTheBootroo: I have seen it, and watched it grow :)12:47
MMoriStskeeps: Improvement suggestion. When you first turn on the device and are asked if you want to connect your Jolla account when you select via Wlan it would be nice to see "Hidden Network" option in the list.12:47
AJAX555TheBootroo: oh, can I add my order status there too? or can I even edit that12:48
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ggabrielAJAX555: yes, you can edit at the bottom (don't change the order please)12:48
ggabriel(if you want, otherwise it's cool too)12:48
TheBootrooAJAX555: yeah just add a new line at end of spreadsheet12:48
MMoriStskeeps: it's there at times but not always12:48
AJAX555oh okay12:48
tachikomamh, does anyone know if that feature i had on the n900 still works - where you can set an alarm and tehn shutdown the device completely and it will boot up at the scheduled time to sound the alarm?12:49
AJAX555need to go check my order#..12:49
ggabrieltachikoma: according to some folks, it does work12:49
tachikomaI really loved that, no matter how empty the battery was, you could still rely on that alarm12:49
tachikomaggabriel: yeah \o/12:49
tachikomabecause that does not work with my android device12:49
StskeepsMMori: filed12:49
MMoriStskeeps: So far I'm loving the device12:50
ggabrieltachikoma: that works with a depleted N9 too12:50
ggabrieli'm sorry you have an android ;-)12:50
TheBootroocybette: hehe, but you're not on it12:51
ggabrielTheBootroo: i'm not there either. or am i? :-)12:51
tachikomaggabriel: i knoww, but i don't have one12:51
ggabrieli'm pulling your leg tachikoma. don't take me serious 90% of the time12:51
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tachikomaggabriel: it's an ainol 7'' tablet and it was the attempt to get check out android.12:52
tachikomawell, first and last android device of mine12:52
AJAX555there, added my line12:52
cybetteTheBootroo: because i haven't received my webshop invitation yet. but i'll bother care after they've dealt with the recent flood12:53
MMoriStskeeps: It seems that trying to connect to a Hidden Network a few times crashed some process, the phone gives a popup that says "Nimetön sovellus ei vastaa". It comes and goes every now and then12:53
tachikomaggabriel: I'm working and ionly sometimes when i have to wait for something to complete i look here, so i might misunderstand sometimes ;)12:53
StskeepsMMori: okay, you'll have to excuse me, i don't grok finnish :)12:53
StskeepsMMori: what does that error say?12:53
tachikoma"ggabriel: i knoww, but i don't have one" <- that was refering to the n912:53
ggabrieltachikoma: yeah, understood ;-)12:54
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MMoriStskeeps: sorry :) How do you say it in english "unnamed process is not responding"12:54
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StskeepsMMori: okay, have you updated your device to 1.0.1.10 yet?12:55
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hene-VDVsx__: can you send instructions?12:55
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VDVsx__hene-, sent12:56
VDVsx__hene-, let me know if you have any difficulties12:57
VDVsx__quite stupid bug :(12:57
MMoriStskeeps: No, I'll do that as soon as I get my Wlan working12:57
StskeepsMMori: oki12:57
Venemomorning12:57
ln-MMori: use your neighbour's wlan12:57
MMoriln-: They're all protected :( but not as well as my network. It's hidden and I've apparently forgotten the passw :P12:58
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pajuVDVsx__: do you mean bug in email?12:59
tachikomadoes it make sense to hide a network?12:59
MMoritachikoma: yes.13:00
tachikomai always see a list of "hidden network"s when i scan13:00
ggabrieltachikoma: yeah, keeps all the kids away13:00
MMoritachikoma: try and guess the ssid :P13:00
tachikomai mean, when i want to connect to some network, i also have a list of hidden ones13:00
tachikomawhich kind of makes the hiding not so hidden to me13:00
ggabrieltachikoma: you can hack aabout and get the ssid too13:00
tachikomaoh, ok i see13:01
ggabrieltachikoma: but not everybody can do that with standard knowledge13:01
ggabrieltachikoma: you can restrict by mac address too, and that's relatively easy to break, but not everybody knows how to change a mac address ;-)13:01
Morpog_N9In picking! Yay \o/13:02
VDVsx__paju, yup, email POP13:02
* Morpog_N9 dances around13:02
tachikomayeah, changing macs is kinda trivial13:02
VenemoMorpog_N9: what's up?13:02
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pajuVDVsx__, i've a problem sending IMAP13:02
VDVsx__paju, what's the problem ?13:03
Morpog_N9Venemo, my Jolla is now in picking state13:03
VenemoMorpog_N9: when did you preorder?13:04
Morpog_N920.5.13:04
TheBootrooggabriel: paid is now 2/313:04
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pajuVDVsx__, can't send mail13:04
VDVsx__paju, what is your provider ?13:04
VDVsx__or own server13:05
pajuVDVsx__ sonera mail.inet.fi13:05
TheBootroodoes The Jolla support EAS-sim for Wifi auth ?13:05
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TheBootroo*EAP-SIM13:05
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VenemoMorpog_N9: 20th may?13:05
VDVsx__paju, are you using SSL for smtp ? please note that some of these providers require them to be in their network in order to use encrypted connection, case of saunalathi13:06
TheBootroocybette: spreadsheet seems to prove that last four digits of order number is roughly the priority order, as no high number has been processed yet13:07
TheBootroowe could almost calculate the average rate of order-by-hour13:07
tachikomaTheBootroo: yeah, but I'd expect that it will still speed up13:08
pajuVDVsx__, yes, i've tried both encrypted and not, both should work in sonera13:08
TheBootrootachikoma: yeah me too if we want our order to be processed before weekend13:08
VDVsx__paju, ok, will try to get an account there and see what's wrong13:09
micko_I have an icon (or actually no icon, just an empty space) with name "com". It appeared about the same time with Google play and other google apps13:09
micko_anyone else seen it? any idea what it is?13:10
Morpog_N9vememo afair13:11
MMoriJolla web page looks beautiful on Jolla browser <313:11
ggabrielMorpog_N9: woohoo (re in picking)13:13
MMoriOh dear how smooth the OS is ^^ <313:13
micko_...or where could I check myself what that icon is? where are the files located?13:13
TheBootrooggabriel: you too now ?13:13
ggabrielTheBootroo: no, i get happy when others get their thing progressing13:13
TheBootrooah ok13:13
Bysmyyrmail from jolla...13:14
Stskeepsi have a mail13:14
TheBootrooBysmyyr, Stskeeps :  what ?13:14
Venemoggabriel: that's a very nice, healthy attitude! :)13:14
Morpog_N9and I thought it's shipping mail, lol13:14
nahkissWell the mail is pretty much nothing except that "sorry we fucked up, wait a bit longer will you"13:14
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BysmyyrDear brave pioneer,13:14
BysmyyrIf you have already received your tracking number or the actual device, congratulations and thank you for your support!13:14
BysmyyrWe had lots of unexpected technical challenges in the shipping process. Some of you have not yet received your tracking number or device and for that we are truly sorry. We know you believe in us and we are working hard to meet your expectations.13:14
BysmyyrWatch your email for your tracking number.13:15
ggabrielVenemo: it's my way of offsetting my bad diet13:15
BysmyyrOnce again, please understand how sorry we are that what we worked on for the last two years is having difficulty to get into your eager hands.  You will not be disappointed when you get your Jolla!13:15
BysmyyrWe have  focused so much on getting the product ready and in your hands that our communication towards you hasn't been enough. We learned and we will improve this in the future.13:15
Morpog_N9congrats ggabriel13:15
BysmyyrThank you for your patience.13:15
BysmyyrSincerely,13:15
BysmyyrJolla team13:15
BysmyyrIf you have any more questions or concerns please contact care@jolla.com.13:15
BysmyyrFor more information, please see: https://jolla.zendesk.com/entries/31152238-Pre-order-Shipping-Info13:15
BysmyyrCopyright © Jolla Ltd. 2013. All rights reserved.13:15
BysmyyrThis email was sent to olli@syrjala.org13:15
TheBootrooBysmyyr: yes, just got this one too13:15
Bysmyyrwhy did I get this? (http://jolla.us7.list-manage.com/about?u=9fa131561747fd5ea8037f0c2&id=24fd8c7b60&e=eda2fe3a39&c=0378b1a919)     unsubscribe from this list (http://jolla.us7.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=9fa131561747fd5ea8037f0c2&id=24fd8c7b60&e=eda2fe3a39&c=0378b1a919)     update subscription preferences (http://jolla.us7.list-manage2.com/profile?u=9fa131561747fd5ea8037f0c2&id=24fd8c7b60&e=eda2fe3a39)13:15
Bysmyyrsorry13:15
Bysmyyrcopypaste fails13:15
Bysmyyrhttp://pastebin.com/e387iiFE <-- this I planned to paste13:15
Morpog_N9omg kick him, kick him :D13:16
ggabrielok, i didn't get that email, i'm special13:16
ggabrielor rather, the email is going through spamd13:16
VenemoMorpog_N9: and at what time on 20th may?13:17
sledgesjust received an email from jolla, that im about to receive tracking number, yoohoo!13:17
sledgesstatus still 'Paid' ;)13:18
nahkissyes, everyone got that email13:18
Accedoes someone know, how deep is the touch keyboard coded into sailfish? Just wondering how difficult it would be to modify it13:18
TofeEven TheBootroo got it, that says much ;)13:18
faenilAcce, you mean the layouts?13:18
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ggabrielAcce: there is a layout thread in tmo13:18
Accefaenil: yeah, I would like to have left and right keys for example13:19
ggabrielAcce: and apparently it's pretty similar ot the n9, whatever that means13:19
faenilAcce, it should be easy, should be all QML13:19
locusfwe should add the glacier nipple instead13:19
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Accefaenil: Great to hear!13:19
faenilAcce, :)13:19
micko_mosh on jolla works \o/13:20
Acceand sorry, but where is "tmo" ?13:20
ggabrielAcce: talk.maemo.org13:21
micko_of course I knew that already, but now I see it myself13:21
ggabrielAcce: thread should be easy to find13:21
sledgesFinlandia vodka is made of pure glacier water ;) some names ideas for our Nemo UX project :)13:21
ggabrielAcce: there are a few guys with a few layouts already13:21
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Acceggabriel: Thanks :)13:21
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DeeGeeAre you planning on adding some kind of UI hint to options that can be longpressed for additional settings? For example, finding how I can change the APN on my 3G connection was a hit and miss...13:24
Tofesledges: you want to name the releases based on vodka names ? isn't that a bit dangerous for communication ?13:25
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sledgesTofe: "Vodka connecting people" (can't count enough puns :)) Jokes away, since me not a big drinker myself - naming releases might take it too far :) I was thinking of calling an app or some graphics element as we carry on developing ;)13:28
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sledges(can call it Ballmer's Peak too :D)13:28
ggabrielvodka made of pura glacier water wouldn't do too much damage imho13:30
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sledgeslol ok I should go and polish my english ;P13:31
sledgesmaybe finnish glaciers are just purely frozen spirits? ;P (now that's cold!)13:32
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ggabrielsledges: uhm... not sure how cold it has to be to freeze good vodka13:33
ggabrielvery cold i imagine13:33
ggabriellike, too cold13:33
* TheBootroo sighs, highest order not paid so far is ... 1149, far from 54913:33
TheBootroo*254013:33
artemmaWhat do you guys feel in general about Sailfish OS pattern for deleting and reordering list elements (deleting via long press and context menu, reordering nonexistent if i get it correctly)?13:33
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artemmaFast enough? Simple enough? Obvious enough?13:34
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VDVsx__paju, I don't see anything special with that sonera email, are you able to collect logs ?13:42
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VDVsx__paju, ah, Username != emailaddress isn't ?13:45
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dTAhm... is there any documentation (or test blog posts...or anything?)  available for i2c IO of the phone yet? I want to test out something simple like reading data from an arduino configured as slave but i've only used gpio pins for linux before, not a "native" i2c implementation13:49
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Venemono13:49
faenildTA, there are some specs for the pins, what do you need exactly?13:50
faenil(I'm n00b at electronics)13:50
SpeedEvildTA: I wonder if i2ctools are there.13:50
SpeedEvildTA: type i2c<tab> into a root console.13:50
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jmlichdTA, AFAIK there is not official documentation yet. There is documentation at http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_is_The_Other_Half_connecting_to_the_Phone.3F ; better picture is here https://twitter.com/Jolla_CZ_SK/status/40856865191508787213:51
dTAi2c-tab says "bling" so no bins starting with that name13:53
dTAi also list the "available packages" earlier, grepping i2c from that says nothing13:54
dTAfaenil: i know the pins and can probably get that part sorted-i2c isn't terribly complex in the end. the software side is what i'm wondering of13:55
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dTASpeedEvil: nope13:55
faenildTA, ah ok, I think there's nothing about that atm13:55
SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management13:56
SpeedEvilContain a script which uses i2c-tools to read the battery meter.13:56
SpeedEvilIn general, there are three parameters you need - one sets the bus to read from - this will be a fixed number for the back port.13:57
dTAhmm, i wonder how much i'd need to poke about to compile the version used on n900 for use on jolla13:58
SpeedEvilThe second the address - this will vary by chip connected (chips do not have unique addresses, there are only a 127 generally ) - then the register13:58
dTAbut okay thats a place to start13:58
Morpog_N9venemo, about 11o clock geräan time13:59
SpeedEvilMaybe none, it may just run.13:59
Morpog_N9german13:59
dTAyeah if i use an arduino i can tell it what address to answer on13:59
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dTAi'll probably have it just answer like "uliuliuli" or just "0x1", whatever14:00
ggabrieldTA: i vote "uliuliuli"14:00
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pajuVDVsx__, yes it is, sending mail works with my android-phone, but only incoming with jolla14:01
dTAi'll need something to decode/encode ascii but it may well be worth it :P14:01
VDVsx__paju, Username != emailaddress is not supported yet in the settings14:02
dTAof course, after i get a proof of concept, arduino already has libraries for connecting a million different things. I also own an arduino lilypad which is designed for wearable electronics14:02
ggabrielVDVsx__: is this the email application?14:02
dTAwhich means it is small enough to be feasible for a thick other half, a other-halko if you may14:02
pajuVDVsx__: oh, wtf14:03
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VDVsx__ggabriel, in the accounts settings14:03
VDVsx__paju, have you tried to use username instead of the entire email address for the smtp ? will work for some servers at least14:05
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VenemoMorpog_N9: ah, that's pretty early14:06
ggabrielVDVsx__: thanks, you'll make me add another username == email address to my home hosted email :)14:06
VenemoMorpog_N9: or is it AM or PM?14:06
pajuVDVsx__, i've tried only username14:06
Morpog_N924 hours14:07
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Morpog_N9so AM14:07
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Venemook, mine was late at night, on same day14:08
Jopea e i o u14:08
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sledgeswowels!14:12
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TheBootroohighest 'in picking' is now 121514:16
TheBootroostill far from 250014:16
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TheBootroobut going on14:16
artemma3441 is what I am waiting for..14:17
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Stskeepsartemma: 35xx :/14:17
tachikomaTheBootroo: nearly haf the way ;)14:17
* artemma earlier than Stskeeps??? Wow. I shall call it a success I guess14:18
TheBootrootachikoma: really hoping a huge speedup14:18
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ShadowJK1*1215?14:19
MMoriIs it not possible to register to Yandex.Store without a Sim-card?14:20
StskeepsMMori: should be possible, are you on finnish language by chance?14:20
Stskeepsthere's a bug with finnish language for the registration step14:20
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VDVsx__hene-, did you managed to make the changes ?14:21
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MMoriStskeeps: Thanks, I'll try again :)14:21
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tachikomaTheBootroo: just got a jolla mail \o/14:22
tachikomaTheBootroo: with no tracking number but an excuse for the delay.14:22
tachikomathat is nice14:22
TheBootrootachikoma: we all got it14:22
tachikomaah, i did not read here all teh time14:22
TheBootroodat mini heart-attack14:22
tachikomalol14:22
tachikomai did not realize it as it was not delevered ro my spam folder14:23
TheBootrootachikoma: i'm waiting for another kind of email, if you see what i mean14:23
TheBootroo; - )14:24
tachikomawhat other mail could that be? ;)14:26
TheBootrooohoh on spreadsheet : "Viewing in simple list mode due to high traffic to this document."14:27
ggabrielspreadsheet is epic14:27
TheBootrooggabriel: yeah14:28
tachikomaabsolutely14:28
crysazwhich one?14:29
ggabrielcrysaz: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=114:29
TheBootrootachikoma: you're not on it ,14:29
ggabrielthe "stats" bit is the best14:29
crysazggabriel: 404 due to traffic :)14:29
tachikomaTheBootroo: not yet14:29
ggabrielcrysaz: well, google is always beta14:30
tachikomatoo slow here atm14:30
ggabrielwe complain about sailfish being beta14:30
ggabrielgoogle never goes above beta14:30
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Yaniellet's just hope sailfish does14:30
TheBootrootachikoma: well atm readonly cause of too much load14:30
ggabrieli can tell you that the paid->in picking transition is moving14:31
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ggabrielbetween yesterday and today, 25% of orders were transitioned from paid14:31
TheBootrooggabriel: we're around 65% atm afaik14:32
TheBootroo65% paid14:32
TheBootroo220 person filled the spreadsheet14:32
TheBootroonice achievemnt14:32
TheBootrooshows what community spirit is14:32
crysazaa ok. so you are sill waiting for your goodies.14:32
TheBootroocrysaz: goodies ? nope, phone !14:32
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TheBootrooi really don't care about tee shirt or tea cup14:33
TheBootroo;-)14:33
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ggabrielwait, i want a tea cup from jolla too14:41
Stskeepsand a pony14:41
ggabrieland a big one14:41
ggabrielStskeeps: you can't change the story now. i thought the jolla already came with unicorns of an unknown colour14:42
Yanielggabriel: yup14:42
ggabrielunicorn = pony + horn14:42
Stskeepsand now he wants a unicorn too.14:42
ggabrielno, just the tea cup and the already included unicorn of an undetermined colour14:42
TheBootrooggabriel: epic spreadsheet is back14:44
TheBootroobut slow14:44
dTASpeedEvil: looks like i2c-tools.rpm is in at least the testing and devel repositories but not in stable yet, so I guess thats what i need14:44
TheBootrootachikoma: nice, i see you filling it, but you cause the stats to be little more bad ;-))14:46
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tachikomawell...14:47
SpeedEvildTA: just be cautious. You can screw up the device with I2C.14:48
TheBootrootachikoma: hehe14:48
tachikomaSpeedEvil: how that?14:48
SpeedEvil- if you screw up and write the wrong things to power control registers.14:48
TheBootrootachikoma: but Paid% just dropped under the 65% and that's good14:48
SpeedEvilThe internal power regulator chip is typically I2C too.14:48
sledgesSpeedEvil: I wonder what other (internal) devices are connected to the OTH i2c bus14:49
sledgesit should be on a separate (safe bus)14:49
SpeedEvilI would hope none.14:49
tachikomai can already smell the dahboard that will evaluate this spreadsheet and then draw nice statistics and pie graphs ;)14:49
SpeedEvilSo anything on that bus should be quite safe.14:49
tachikomadashboard14:49
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ggabrieluhm... it'd suck to break the device14:49
ggabrielso yeah, be careful14:49
ggabrielor wait for jolla's specs?14:49
Stskeepsyeah, don't sink it in water14:49
Stskeeps:P14:49
sledgesi2cdetect shows all connected devices14:50
sledges(in most cases ;P)14:50
SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Bus_I2c Ideally jolla would have something like this, or provide the community with info so thay can make it.14:50
dTAyea i plan to use it read-only for now14:50
* sledges had a peripheral which would not show up on i2c-detect, but worked with i2cdump/get-set14:50
ggabrielsledges: my sensor detect on my laptop disagrees with several "be careful" messages14:50
tachikomaStskeeps: the ad show it been covered with coffee ... theat seems to have caused people to believ its waterproof14:50
Yanielhmm there is discussion about wpa-eap on tthe connman mailing list at least14:50
SpeedEvilI2c cannot be reliably probed.14:50
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: ping14:50
Yanielso I guess it is supported to some extent14:50
Yanielbut not in the sailfish ui14:50
SpeedEvilI did the above page for the n900, but no device as yet.14:51
ggabrieltachikoma: what you say would be a problem in the usa14:51
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Stskeepstachikoma: ........14:51
cybettewe are working on a developer kit for other-half development that will contain all the necessary info (electrical, mechanical, magical)14:51
tachikomaI'm just saying ;)14:51
dTAand only/or only talk to my arduino on the bus14:51
tachikomacybette: I'll go for the magical part then14:51
sledgescybette: \yay/14:51
ggabrielcybette: is the magical thing related to the unicorns included in the jolla?14:51
cybettehehe14:52
TheBootrootachikoma: there is already a stat tab on spreadsheet14:52
cybetteask Stskeeps14:52
ggabrielStskeeps changed that to ponies14:52
ggabrieli'm utterly disappointed14:52
cybetteoh, scratch magical then14:52
ggabrieli'll write you a stiff letter on cardboard14:52
dTAhaha14:52
ggabriel(daddy joke)14:52
tachikomaAny sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology ;)14:53
fk_lxcybette: hi :-)14:53
tachikomaquote by Doctor Who ;)14:53
cybetteggabriel: not sure where that's from but i'll give a lol14:53
cybettefk_lx: hi!14:53
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TheBootrootachikoma: nice reference !14:57
tachikomahttp://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/index_seventh.shtml <- this guy, i think from silver nemesis14:58
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: pong14:59
Tofetachikoma: you look like someone who won't miss the xmas special for anything in the world -- execpt a Jolla delivery, of course14:59
dTAcybette: suppose you've got your hands full with the launch/shipping/support but would the devkit release be a week from now or a month or more?15:00
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dTAand/or is there a public mailing list i should try to get on to be receiving it15:00
zhxtcybette: hi :)15:00
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: could you add me and my app to github.com/sailfishapps ?15:00
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: I'm not manager of sailfishapps15:01
Sfiet_KonstantinI don't even know who it is15:01
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: who is ?15:01
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: goot questions ...15:01
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: well, there are 4 persons15:01
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: one sec15:01
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: so one of them is15:01
tachikomaTofe: i absolutely do ;)15:02
* tachikoma ist dr who addict15:02
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: someone added you there, so you must know who is manager15:02
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: who added you and your app ambiance-changer there?15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: know what, I forgot, and lost the mail from github15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinsure it is not me neither thp15:03
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Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: actually there are 5 of them wo are hidden15:04
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: and honestly, I don't think that this group is usednow ...15:04
Sfiet_Konstantin:(15:04
cybettedTA: probably not for christmas but maybe for chinese new year (my estimate, not official) :)15:05
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cybettedTA: most likely you'll hear about it right here. and the usual channels apply - twitter, devel mailing list15:05
cybettezhxt: hi!15:06
fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: how it is not used, some new apps appeared there recently15:07
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Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: ah, didn't noticed15:07
Sfiet_Konstantinbut anyway, I don't know who is the manager15:07
zhxt 嘿嘿, woul you please share some information about the date of global shipping?15:08
fk_lxI think I know15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: ok :)15:08
Sfiet_Konstantingood luck with that :)15:08
cybettezhxt: I don't have that info. I can't even tell for certain when Stskeeps's device will be shipped :P15:09
Sfiet_Konstantincybette: isn't Stskeeps's device already shipped ?15:10
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: no15:10
Stskeeps"Paid" :/15:10
Sfiet_Konstantin:(15:10
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zhxt cybette, oh. fine, thx all the same. :)15:10
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grejppirandom question, is it possible to use the jolla as an usb modem?15:11
Sfiet_Konstantingrejppi: with tweaks under linux15:11
ggabrielgrejppi: not exactly, but if you connect it you get a network device15:11
ggabrielactually, wait15:11
cybettezhxt: anytime! if i had concrete info to work with i'll shout it from the mountain top! (or irc, social media...)15:11
ggabrielgrejppi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1391586#post139158615:12
ggabrielthat was actually my question ;-)15:12
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grejppiggabriel: thanks15:12
ggabrieltbh, it'll take a bit of work to do the ifup/ifdown, but i think it's cleaner than ppp15:12
ggabrielat least faster15:12
ggabrielyou'll save a ms or 2ms in your life15:12
zhxtcybette, that's great,15:14
SpeedEvilIt should be pretty trivial in principle to do a USB modem.15:15
SpeedEvilI mean - it's just pppd.15:15
narchiewhy do ambiences keep disappearing?15:15
SpeedEvil+ usb-serial-device15:15
narchieI just suddenly lost the default ambiences15:15
SpeedEvilusb-gadget-serial15:15
narchieand can't slide left again to see any favorites15:15
ggabrielSpeedEvil: ootb the device doesn't register a ppp modem15:16
ggabrielwell, that's what i'm being told anyway15:16
SpeedEvilNo, it won't.15:16
SpeedEvilI was meaning from a 'make it do this' perspective, I would expect a recompile with the right kernel module, and perhaps 20 lines of scripting should do it.15:17
ggabrielSpeedEvil: yeap, true, then you dial15:17
ggabrielnot sure if it's overkill though15:17
ggabrielas having a network device is as easy from a host perspective (i.e., if you want to use it as a modem)15:18
SpeedEvilyeah.15:18
Yanielnarchie: if you have none favourited the swipe from the side gesture won't do anything15:19
Yanielgo to gallery  -> ambiences15:19
narchiethere's two favorited15:19
SpeedEvilThe nice thing about the above is it could be used for stupid devices that don't understand more than 3g modems to do things like share wifi.15:19
narchieoh, so alright. Thanks Yaniel15:20
narchieforgot to "save" one of them15:20
narchiebut where did the default ambiences  go :(15:20
ggabrielSpeedEvil: yeah, fair enough. in my mind, i'm happy i'll be getting rid of all the ppp kmods and the userspace tools and all that15:20
SpeedEvilQuite. It makes as little sense as vfat-UMS does as a way of sharing files.15:21
Eztrannarchie: there's a package which contains them, someone who lost them recently found the package wasn't installed. Can't remember its name, but I think 'ambience' was in it somewhere?15:22
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artemmaDevice is not coming for a while.. shall I try installing Sailfish to my a little broken N9? Is it more like flashing and that's it or do you need to do lots of difficult steps for it?15:24
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ggabrielartemma: you need to read the tutorial... at least ubiboot is needed15:24
ggabrieland there are still several issues15:25
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artemmahmm..15:25
artemmathanks15:25
TheBootrooggabriel: %62 Paid15:25
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ggabrielTheBootroo: I see that you're getting excited now ;-)15:26
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ggabriel(it's actually going better than I thought, even considering that the status is not entirely up to date everywhere)15:27
TheBootrooggabriel: not really, as % is getting lower but highest In Picking is still 121515:27
TheBootroosince 2 hours15:27
ggabrielTheBootroo: the trick is to accept that you won't get your phone in time15:28
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TheBootrooggabriel: i don't think this 'trick' can make it processed faster15:29
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ggabrielTheBootroo: nothing will make the progress go any faster15:29
ggabrielso i chose to fix it on my side15:29
TheBootrooso there is no trick15:29
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ggabriellower expectations to the lowest level15:30
ggabrielit works for me ;-)15:30
Yanielhmm wlan psks are stored as plaintext15:31
Yaniel*passphrases15:31
ggabrielYaniel: not many people care about that level of security these days anyway15:32
Yanieland the files are rw-------- for root anyway15:33
ggabrielmy home's wifi has been backed up to google at least twice by friends of mine15:33
ggabrielso *shrug*15:33
TheBootrooggabriel: it doesn't work for me -_-15:34
ggabrielTheBootroo: trust me, I got that from the 3rd minute I known you through IRC :-)15:35
TofeYaniel: it was also like that on the n900... I would have preferred a bit more obscure storage (in hex, or simple AES encryption)15:35
ggabriels/I/I have /15:35
TheBootrooggabriel: XD15:36
Yanielcan I somehow see what ca certs there are on the device?15:36
Yaniel(I'd like to be able to connect to uni wlan & eduroam)15:38
Yanieland it seems connman does support wpa-eap15:39
tachikomaI wonder how fast it is to backup a 30 gb home dir via tar and netcat over the network ...15:41
tachikomawell, lets see :)15:41
Yanieldepends on the network a lot15:41
tachikomai guess15:41
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tachikomaits 1gbit i think15:41
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YanielI get 6MB/s via wlan and 12 via ethernet on my home LAN15:41
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tachikomajust preparing n900 for reflashing15:42
ggabrieltachikoma: copy a big file to /dev/null and do iostat -m /dev/sdX 1?15:42
ggabriel(assuming that you are playing with your new ssd)15:42
tachikomano, i backup my n90015:42
tachikomajust all internal stuff15:42
ggabrielok, that's a different story15:42
tachikomabooted from sdcard and now want to create tarbals from internal partitions15:43
tachikomawell, it's running, will see how long it takes15:43
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FireFlyTheBootroo: my order (#20000360 / order_id/1905) is "in picking" now, FWIW15:47
TheBootrooFireFly: yeah cool but 360 is really small15:48
TheBootrooFireFly: highest 'in picking' is 1215 atm15:48
grejppiwhat's the significance of 10000xxxx and 20000xxxx15:49
TheBootrooPaid % is just under 62%15:49
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FireFlyOh15:49
TheBootroogrejppi: 10000xxxxx only first wave finns, and 2000xxxxx others and some more finns15:49
FireFlyDidn't know which number you meant, TheBootroo15:49
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TheBootrooFireFly: the Order Number without first digit and unsignificant zeroes15:50
TheBootrooin fact, last 4 digits seem to give priority15:50
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ShadowJKwhere is order id?15:51
FireFlyin the URL after you log in15:51
FireFlyIf you go to "My Orders" and then "View Order" for a particular order15:51
grejppiTheBootroo: weird, I thought I preordered in the second wave but my number is 10000300X15:52
TheBootroogrejppi: but you're finn ?15:52
grejppiTheBootroo: yes15:53
FireFlyTheBootroo: I think the 1/2 in the beginning also contributes to priority, because I know for a fact that I ordered after people with 100001XXX, anyway15:53
TheBootroogrejppi: finns seem over rules, so that's normal15:53
FireFly(but I guess maybe you meant out of the 2000* ones)15:53
Yaniellost cellular network O.o15:53
TheBootrooyou are second wave but you've the luck to be finn so you have 1000xxxx15:53
ShadowJKbut that's the same 2*xxxx?15:54
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TheBootrooFireFly: just use the spreadsheet to check15:54
Yaniela reboot brought 2G bakc15:54
grejppiTheBootroo: wasn't second wave limited to finland anyway15:54
TheBootroogrejppi: yeah15:54
FireFlyTheBootroo: where do I find it?15:54
ShadowJKI thought the order id in jolla shop was in payment order, not preorder order?15:55
TheBootroohttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=015:55
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FireFlyShadowJK: I'm fairly sure the 20000xxxx number is in payment order. I've no clue what the thing in the URL is for15:57
FireFlyI guess maybe it's just a monotonically increasing ID for orders (as opposed to the other one being prefixed with 1000/200)15:58
chem|stTheBootroo: I am "In Picking" for like 24h now... and no email yet15:58
TheBootroochem|st: at least you are no more paid15:58
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ShadowJKoh, url... 2x3426 and 714415:58
micko_location services do consume a LOT of battery. I took the phone off charger at 8am and at 11am had 65% battery left. I switched locating off and now (6pm) the battery is at 49%15:58
ShadowJKSomeone reported putting phone on charger last night, and in the morning it was at 2%15:59
micko_it would be a nice feature to switch locating on and off from the software that uses it. or have it on the same place with wlan/bt/3g16:00
micko_now it's too deep in the settings16:00
w00tmicko_: press and hold "Location"16:00
w00tthen tap "add to favorites"16:00
FireFlyTheBootroo: I like how three people report having ID 200000400 :D16:00
ggabrielTheBootroo: i don't think that the last digits of the order have anything to do with the priority ;-)16:01
TheBootrooFireFly: thatss because they don't want to show their full id, so they put 200004xx and we replace xx with 00 to make ordering  work properly16:01
ggabrielFireFly: that's order number masking16:01
FireFlyTheBootroo: ah16:01
micko_w00t: thanks. still I'd like it one click less, but this'll do for now16:02
TheBootrooggabriel: sure ? because in picking start from lowest to highest16:02
ggabrielaccess to the webshop was made in priority order16:02
ggabrielso that number has some relationship, but it isn't all16:02
ggabrieland jolla already said that some priority may be missed, so....16:02
ggabrielbut, looking at the spreadsheet, you could be right16:02
ggabrieli just wouldn't bet on it16:02
Nicd-android reddit client works: https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/7m32MQ7AsDE16:03
TheBootrooggabriel: well if they could process 25xx right now and do the rest later, i'm not against it ;-)16:03
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TheBootrooggabriel: anyway, seems highly impossible that the remaining 61% order are processed until friday/weekend16:05
TheBootroounless they also work on saturday16:05
Yaniel24/7 kinda implies that :D16:05
TheBootrooYaniel: i still don't believe it16:05
TheBootrooPR stuff16:05
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HarhaanJohtajalast week they did work at weekend16:06
TheBootroowell, anyway, we'll see, if there is some progress during weekend16:06
TheBootrooHarhaanJohtaja: rly ?16:06
TheBootrooin this case maybe it's still doable16:07
HarhaanJohtajai think so16:07
ln-TheBootroo: my shipment was packaged on sunday morning at 08:39.16:07
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FireFlyTheBootroo: whose is the spreadsheet?16:17
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Milo-hah16:24
Milo-took 18 freaking minutes to connect my bluetooth headset to the phone16:24
Yanielwhat headset?16:25
Milo-bh21216:25
SpeedEvilIt's a security measure!16:25
ShadowJKTheBootroo; they worked last sunday16:25
Milo-after I thought I was synced with the phone, I called my mother to see if they work. and 18 minutes later, audio changed from phone to bluetooth headset.16:26
Milo-that was just weird.16:26
ShadowJKI wonder if the "technical difficulties" means they told DHL they want to ship 20,000 Jollas, and DHL showed up with an armada of boat trailers16:26
tachikomalol16:27
anonfriese__so guys, anybody tried sailfish on n9?16:28
sledges#nemomobile-porters have16:29
anonfriese__okay, thx16:29
sledgesyw :)16:30
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chem|stTheBootroo: if that google docs collection of pre-orders is even close to correct, order# orderID or invoice# have close to nothing to do with shipping priority, seems more like time in seconds after payed on 25th Nov gives priority...16:33
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chem|stclose to nothing means invitation mails got sent in some of that priority...16:34
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chem|stis the 3.5mm jack standard or that apple/samsung pinout?16:35
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igheaerm...16:38
FireFlyDo they use a non-standard pinout?16:39
igheawhile playing music the sounds seems to be coming out only from the left side speaker... or is the thing on the right side of Jolla even a speaker at all?16:39
ggabrielchem|st: jack is apple/samsung16:39
sledgeschem|st: all statues change to in picking -> shipped the faster the lower order id is (with fuzzy factor due to that people do not update that docs file immediately) - how do you interpret it?16:39
ggabrielchem|st: i agree re shipping pirority :)16:39
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w00tighea: afair, there's only a single speaker, the grill on the other side is just for decoration16:40
chem|stFireFly: yeah I get mono output and only stereo with holding the answer button on headphones...16:40
igheaso.. what was the advertised stereo speakers then?16:40
FireFlyeugh16:40
FireFlyannoying16:40
igheastereo sound while using headphones? =D16:41
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chem|stggabriel: what a shame but it hit the masses I guess... so I can throw away all my stereoheadsets or solder them by hand...16:41
ggabrielchem|st: i have an adapter :)16:41
chem|stggabriel: link?16:41
ggabrielchem|st: let me look16:41
grejppiw00t: it's not a microphone? a review claimed it is16:42
chem|stgrejppi: +116:42
ggabrielchem|st: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005T1MQ1Q/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=116:42
ggabrielchem|st: i used it to convert iphone/android to n9, but in theory it works both ways16:42
ggabrielchem|st: it's my second, and that's hte one that lasted the longest so far, seems very reliable. i use it mostly for running, so imagine that i fiddle with it a lot16:43
chem|stsledges: ordernumbers do not reflect order of pre-order as people way after me have way lower numbers16:43
tehdelymy finnish proxy informs me that people without preorders are now able to buy phones16:43
tehdelyeven as his preordered phone is still not yet shipped16:43
tehdelythat is rude :/16:43
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FireFlyggabriel: is the difference merely what connectors send what data?16:44
sledgesok, i don't know about pre-orders, but picking->shipping follows strictly order #16:44
ggabrielFireFly: the difference is literally 2 connectors inverted16:44
abtehdely: DNA started selling Jolla in their shops yesterday16:44
ggabrielFireFly: i'm not an expert in electricals, but that's what i read anyway16:44
FireFlyargh16:44
chem|sttehdely: well they had trouble and said that even with withholding phones from DNA they could not make it in time...16:44
tehdelygotcha, i am reading the email now16:46
tehdelycontractual obligations are contractual obligtions, i understand :)16:47
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FireFlyggabriel: I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#TRRS_Standards and interestingly it says "Nokia started to implement an universal audio connector, which enables the use of both American Headset Jack (AHJ) headsets and standard Nokia OMTP headsets." ← I wonder if that means both "iPhoney" and regular devices would work with them, and if so whether other vendors will follow suit16:51
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FireFly(I don't know much about electronics either, though..)16:51
ggabrieltbh, i gave up... clearly apple "won" this one16:51
ggabrielmost headsets come the apple way16:52
ggabrielsamsung obviously copied apple16:52
FireFlyFair enough16:52
ggabrielso they are the most popular16:52
Milo-can't you see call details while call is in progress?16:52
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tehdelyis anyone selling a case or cover for the jolla yet17:03
tehdelyi'm one of those people who simply MUST HAVE A CASE17:04
ggabrieltehdely: no, but somebody made a 3d print17:04
Milo-tehdely go order some electronics and scotch tape.17:11
DeeGeeThe pre-order other half comes in a nice zip-lock pouch. I might start using it if the weather keeps the way it's now... Had a fall on my bike today and almost flooded my pocket where Jolla was...17:11
Milo-electronics usually come with some bubble wrap17:11
* SpeedEvil ponders embroidering Jolla onto a sock for tehdely.17:12
ggabrielDeeGee: ouch17:12
ggabriel(for you, not for the jolla)17:12
Milo-SpeedEvil jolla in a sock for some good old fashion beating?17:12
SpeedEvilDeeGee: Ouch. (for the jolla, not you)17:12
DeeGee:D17:12
Milo-in the olden days, we replaced soap with nokia 3310s.17:12
Milo-soaps*17:12
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crysazwe used to play floorball with nokia 311017:21
Milo-3110 had an antenna17:22
Milo-it can't work as a floorball.17:22
aupoUnless you use it as a stick.17:22
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joecoolcrysaz: nokia's reputation in the US "company that used to make indestructible beater phones"17:31
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tobiskihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=78RrsepkQKA#t=25617:34
tobiskiI think this is Jolla's unexpected logistics problem :D17:34
aupoAnyone tried installing df on Jolla? :)17:37
aupoI mean Dwarf Fortress17:37
SpeedEvilhttp://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/37676/how-can-i-stop-a-dwarf-with-no-arms-from-trying-to-store-items - unrelated17:40
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aupo:D17:42
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aupo"Damn". For "some" reason merely copying an installation from my desktop computer does not work. I wonder why...17:44
aupo(Had to be tried, just for the lulz if it did work :) )17:45
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SpeedEvilIs it available as source?17:51
SpeedEvilIn general, if not, and if there is no explicit ARM version - the answer is no - not without qem17:52
SpeedEvilqemu17:52
aupoI thought it was, but it seems it actually isn't.17:53
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aupoNo wait, or is it in source after all...17:55
aupoNope, not, closed source. Just the graphics part is released open source.17:57
Dottiyou could play it through ssh17:58
aupoThere was that dwarf fortress terminal project, yeah, though it died already it seems.17:59
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aupoHave others had trouble getting YouTube to play videos on the browser?18:01
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Stskeepsaupo: have you upgraded?18:03
aupoTo the new version? I think so, I only got the phone yesterday and it wanted to install an update immediately, so I went and did.18:04
Stskeepsokay, what kind of issues do you have?18:04
aupoIt just keeps "downloading" the video, nothing happens.18:05
YanielI watched a video yesterday and it worked18:05
Stskeepsaupo: if it's not somehow embarassing, could you point me to the video / url?18:05
aupoStskeeps: Tried Heyeyeyeyaa 10h, same with 1h and finally with a song "brightboy - Wear out the soles" and then "Isoveli: Tanssi tai kuole"18:06
MMoriaupo, i can't get youtube videos to load on opera mini18:06
aupoAll had the same stalling, now installed Viral player (or whatever) from Android apps and this works instantly.18:06
aupoStskeeps: The last two videos are there only once, so they can't be mistaken for any other video. The heyeyeyeyey could be :318:07
MMoriworks fine on jolla browser though18:08
Stskeepsaupo: hmmmmm..18:09
aupoMMori: I have the problem on Jolla Browser specifically. Haven't tried Opera Mini or any others though, so far I've liked the browser itself :)18:09
Stskeepsaupo: i can reproduce.. hang on18:09
aupoOh, interesting.18:09
FireFlyWas the Jolla browser based on Firefox/Gecko?18:10
StskeepsFireFly: yes18:10
FireFlyI think its <video> support doesn't include the h264 codec, which might be an issue?18:10
Stskeepsthat particular one i do think it includes18:10
FireFlyhm18:10
aupo... I am somewhat scared by this Viral player... "YouTube Floating HD Player" is the name in Yandex store. The front page is filled with "Who is Allah the Great?" and such videos...18:11
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FireFlyyou could try going to youtube.com/html5 in the jolla browser and see what encodings it reports as being supported18:13
FireFlyMaybe18:13
Stskeepsaupo: i've filed a bug about this issue, thank you for finding it18:14
aupoStskeeps: Okay. No problem :)18:14
aupoFireFly: Reports WebM VP8, Media Source Extensions, MSE & H.264 and MSE & WebM VP9 as not being supported. HTMLVideoElement and pure H.264 are.18:15
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aupoSwitching to html5 player does not seem to fix the issue.18:16
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Yaniel"save to gallery" from browser -> picture not visible in gallery18:25
Fryeis there a way to force refresh the gallery on android support side.18:25
micko_has anyone got chrome browser working?18:26
micko_for me it doesn't load any pages18:26
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Fryecurrently I can see pics from dec 5th on android apps :-(18:26
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FryeOtherwise I would not care but currently I cannot tweet a pic from the native gallery...18:27
Yanielah it realoaded the picture instead of just saving it from memory18:27
Yaniel(causing the server to re-generate it)18:28
Yanielso it took a while to download18:28
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StskeepsMorpog_Mobile: you got a tracking code, btw?18:32
Yanielafter that it was immediately visible18:32
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Stskeepsdid any of you abroad from finland get a tracking code today?18:35
Stskeepsand if so, what courier?18:35
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disharmonicsadly, no18:40
juergbino, picking for 30h18:44
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atlazMy gallery just lost my Camera and Jolla folder. They are visible but show 0 pictures (FB has ~600 pics in it and Ambient 1). Checked with terminal, that /home/nemo/pictures/camera has all my pictures and /home/nemo/pictures/jolla has the default Jolla-pictures. Anybody else had problems like this?18:45
Yanielhave you installed update1?18:46
Yaniel(Laadunjärvi)18:46
atlazYep18:46
atlazIt worked fine yesterday. Today i played around with the Other Half and it installed the snow white ambience. I tried to change the background picture by going to the gallery, and noticed that the pics were missing18:47
atlazIf i take a photo, i can see the photos i just took by sliding to the right. But if i close the camera app and restart it, the pictures aren't visible18:47
Stskeepsatlaz: do you have developer mode?18:48
Stskeeps (ie a terminal)18:48
atlazI just enabled it to get to the terminal to check the camera-folders18:48
Stskeepsaloril: what does tracker-search -i say? does it list the pictures?18:49
atlaztracker-search? I tried typing that to the terminal and it says "tracker-search: command not found". Am i doing it wrong?18:51
Stskeepshmmm..18:51
Stskeepsyou may need pkcon install tracker-utils for that18:51
Stskeepsshame on me, i did it from a development image :)18:51
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atlazYeah it seems to find some pcitures from /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/....18:54
atlaz"limit reached"18:54
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atlazokay, so photos folder now regenerated the pictures18:54
atlazalso Videos folder18:55
Stskeepsit shows it now? hmm18:55
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Yanielwait is the sd card mounted there?18:55
atlazI don't understand what you mean18:56
atlazIt seems like every photo is now in the photos-folder. It doesn't arrange them according to folder (i seem to recall that i had atleast two different photos folder, one Camera and one called Jolla)18:57
Stskeepsatlaz: how did you transmit the images in the first place, just to know?18:57
atlazAlso all my dropbox images are now in the Photos-folder. Every single one, from all the folders in dropbox18:58
Stskeepsthat doesn't sound too healthy18:58
Stskeepsdropbox on android?18:58
Stskeepsand you're using the jolla gallery right18:59
atlazStskeeps: i didn't manually transfer or transmit any pics, i just inserted my sdcard when i got the phone18:59
atlazYeah Jolla gallery18:59
atlazinstalled the dropbox apk from dropbox's site yesterday18:59
Yanieltried sailbox?19:00
Yanielfrom the jolla app store19:00
YanielI think that one is a native app19:00
atlazYeah, got that one too. I was curious in case the automatic photo upload would somehow magically work19:00
Stskeepsatlaz: sounds like something a bit fishy is going on, but the people who could potentially help you aren't at work right now19:00
atlazYeah. I'll leave it like this and factory reset unless somebody wants me to do something tomorrow19:02
Stskeeps:nod: ping me sometime tomorrow if possible (if you're able to do it earlier than 9pm ..)19:02
atlazIf i just could remove the... ahem...pictures i had in the dropbox folder that should not be visible in the gallery for...everyone19:03
atlazoh well..19:03
Stskeepsatlaz: just go ahead and factory reset if you'd like, but try to see if you can reproduce19:03
Stskeepsie, if you can somehow repeat what goes wrong, that'd help a lot19:03
ottuloyaay19:05
ottuloupdating my Jolla now :>19:05
Stskeepsottulo: got device?19:05
ottuloStskeeps: I could've picked it up on Tuesday but I was out of town until today19:06
atlazStskeeps: no worries, only work related. Nothing too...fetishy ;)19:06
Stskeepsottulo: good, let us know of first impressions19:06
ottuloso just went to get it ~1h ago and now getting familiar with the stuff19:06
Stskeepsbefore you get too used to the bugs ;)19:06
ottuloI had some trouble connecting to my Jolla account, but it could've been me typo-ing the pass :g19:06
ottulonot used to using on-screen kb19:06
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DeeGeeHow fast/slow should the GPS positioning be? Just decided to try it out, and the map app just keeps saying "Waiting for location".19:20
DeeGeeShouldn't A-GPS get a approximate location quite fast?19:21
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Yanielfor me it got the location almost instantly19:22
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Yaniel..once I had enabled positioning from settings19:22
StskeepsDeeGee: got sim or not19:22
DeeGeeYes, the map app tells you if you haven't enabled it. Yes, I have Saunalahti sim inside.19:23
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DeeGeeBut connected through wlan at the moment.19:24
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pdanek1Seems like jollatides is dying19:37
pdanek1and jollausers remains as main blog19:37
Stskeepssad, i liked jollatides19:37
FiSHBoYgood name, too19:38
ortylpI have received today an email from Jolla stating, that I will receive an email... (that is more than nothing, but still gives me no possibility to estimate if I get the device this year, that is before 20.12 or after that, which means in January 2014)19:38
ortylpJust to track the progress of Jolla delivery: please report what is the highest order number (which hundred) has already been delivered?19:38
pdanek1ortylp: I received the same, email to wait for email19:39
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ottulogj Jolla :D19:49
ottulowas looking around the map, scrolled to where my parents live19:49
ottulopicked to see nearby places, first on list: my sister's barber shop :D19:49
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ottuloDeeGee: took me only a couple of seconds as well to pinpoint location19:53
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micko_how do you change keyboard layout in fingerterm?19:55
aupomicko_: Upper right corner, the = with an extra dash19:55
aupoThere's a "vkbd layout" button there. I only had ENG and FI as alternatives, though.19:56
micko_enough for me :)19:56
AL13N_lizzydoes the here maps also have satellite view?19:56
AL13N_lizzyand what about the openstreetmaps?19:56
micko_thanks. I looked through that menu, but for some reason didn't see that button19:56
aupoNeither did I at first try :)19:57
DeeGeeottulo: Hm, damn. I might have busted GPS. Not that I really need it that often.19:58
Yanielmicko_: you can also add your own layouts to /home/nemo/.config/FingerTerm19:58
micko_so... now I have shortcut for ssh+screen+irssi ready.19:59
AL13N_lizzyDeeGee: jolla has GPS, Glonass and AGPS... broken GPS is not likely19:59
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aupoDeeGee: No chance of you simply being unreachable, ie. inside a lead box? :)19:59
DeeGeeAL13N_lizzy: But they all work with the same chip/antenna.19:59
micko_this is not as convinient as n900 though. the fingerterms keyboard I mean20:00
aupomicko_: Never tried N900, but I did very much like the landscape-type VKBD20:00
micko_and mosh would be nice20:00
DeeGeeaupo: Tried it at my door, my other devices get solid lock there :)20:00
aupok :)20:00
ShadowJKFirst jolla arrived in town yesterday, everyone was wishing for landscape mode so that the keyboard would be more usable, heh20:01
micko_is making a .desktop-file in /usr/share/applications a good way to add your own shortcuts?20:01
aupoMyup, I got an accurate (about 50-100 meters off) pinpoint in a second, even though I'm inside an apartment building.20:02
M4rtinKmicko_: http://modrana.org/misc/sailfish/mosh-1.2.4-1.9.1.armv7hl.rpm20:02
aupomicko_: Yes.20:02
M4rtinKmicko_: a few people already reported the package works :)20:02
micko_M4rtinK: I got that already. I wasn't able to make mosh work with my shortcut20:02
atlazStskeeps: Okay so i got a part of it reproduced. I reseted and after install i removed the tutorial-app. This removed the Ambient-folder and all the built in ambients (it left the active one). I then tried to lift the back cover to activate Other half and it installed snow white (and in Gallery there is now an Ambient-folder, but only with Snow white ambient)20:02
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M4rtinKmicko_: ah, ok, I need to read more carefully :)20:03
micko_I get an error: "Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setgid at /usr/bin/mosh line 204."20:04
micko_don't know how to solve it yet20:04
M4rtinKno idea, unfortunately20:04
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Yanielapparently a perl thing20:08
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FireFlyYaniel: how configurable is fingerterm's keyboard wrt. things like modifier keys? Could I bind tab to alt+c or something, say?20:13
EztranFireFly: doesn't Fingerterm have a Tab key anyway?20:13
Yanielthe default layout has esc, tab, shift, ctrl and alt20:14
FireFlyIt might do, I'm mostly asking because I figure I might want to add new keys without having to make the keyboard take up more space20:14
Jopeit is an xml file20:14
YanielFireFly: dunno20:14
FireFlyon the N900 I mapped various stuff to altgr+shift+(key), which was pretty useful I found20:14
Jopeyou can find the location in the about box of fingerterm20:14
Jopejust edit that20:14
FireFlyhm, okay20:14
Jopehowever key combos like that are probably easier to do in the menu shortcuts than the vkb20:15
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DeeGeeAh, seems like my gps was just little bit lazy on finding signal. Seems to work now.20:15
Jopenot sure whether the vkb can pull off key combo definitions for a single key20:15
FireFlyOh, I meant binding the key combo to produce a key, rather than the other way around20:17
FireFly(produce a keypress, that is)20:17
FireFlyI guess maybe it won't be necessary20:17
Jopeso .. you type alt+c on the vkb and get a tab?20:17
Jopeor what are you saying20:17
FireFlyyes, for instance20:17
Jopeok20:17
Jopewell that was not a very good example from you - there is a tab key on the fingerterm vkb20:18
FireFlywell, fair enough :p20:18
Jopeactually you'll find the vkb is very good for shell use already20:18
Jopeso you probably will not have to make your life more difficult by tapping two keys to produce one20:18
Jopeand if you want to rearrange the qualifiers or tab or esc, it's just an xml file you can edit20:18
FireFlyI wonder if I'll get used to the keyboard20:18
Jopeyou will20:18
Jopewhat phone are you using now?20:18
FireFlyI mean, I'm constantly typoing with my current *hardware* keyboard (on the Nokia E7) because my fingers still want to use fn/shift on the N900's positions20:19
Jopeah20:19
FireFlybut maybe the switch to vkb will make my fingers realise it's different .P20:19
FireFly:P*20:19
Jopeprobably it will20:19
EztranPossibly - certainly feels a very different thing IMO.20:20
JopeI can't really relate - I've always been quite adaptable to different keyboards20:20
Jopealso different keymaps on the same kbd etc..20:20
ottuloerm20:21
ottulotrying to register on yandex store20:21
ottulobut the captcha won't show up20:21
ottuloon Jolla that is20:21
AL13N_lizzyi've heared this before20:21
AL13N_lizzy*heard20:21
ottuloI think I did too, now that I think about it20:21
JopeIIRC if you change your device language to english, you'll get the captcha20:21
ottuloJope: I'll try that20:22
AL13N_lizzyright, that was it!20:22
MMoriottulo change phone language to english20:22
Jopenever tried the yandex store myself.. I've been sideloading all my APKs from the beginning20:22
Jopehttp://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ this has been a nice tool :-D20:23
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AL13N_lizzywho is this SimoRuoho dude???20:24
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AL13N_lizzythat guy is seriously annoying on twitter20:24
AL13N_lizzyrepeat the same things every hour or so20:24
JopeI stopped going to twitter20:24
Jopetoo much hate on the internets20:25
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Jopethis channel is surprisingly devoid of hate even though there are many enthusiasts here20:25
Jopeso thank you all for that20:25
ottuloyep, switching to English helped20:25
AL13N_lizzymost of the thing i see now on twitter is: "yes, i finally have it"20:25
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AL13N_lizzyJope: i wouldn't quite say that.... yesterday someone was annoying too20:26
AL13N_lizzytbr: ping20:26
JopeI didn't say totally devoid :-D20:26
AL13N_lizzyheh20:26
Jopejust that there hasn't been as much as in many other places20:26
AL13N_lizzyw00t: ping20:26
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AL13N_lizzyw00t: if you have the time, could you relook @ http://elinux.org/Jolla#Features_possibly_to_be_added_later_.28aka_TODO_list.29 (i already filled in the most which i thought was so, though i don't know for sure)20:27
AL13N_lizzyw00t: also, there was something i needed to remind you, but i forgot what :-)20:28
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AL13N_lizzycan someone with a jolla check if these native apps are already available? http://elinux.org/Jolla#Interesting_native_apps_possibly_in_the_works20:30
AL13N_lizzyalso, can someone find out if there's an app using openstreetmap? (preferably native?)20:30
AL13N_lizzyottulo: you have a Jolla, right?20:31
tehdelyanyone know if there are plans to bring swype to jolla20:32
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tehdelyif it's using maalit keyboard it should be feasible, no?20:32
AL13N_lizzywhat is swype?20:32
tehdelyit's an alternative keyboard where you type out words by tracing a path through letters20:32
tehdelyit's available for android, symbian, and harmattan20:33
AL13N_lizzyic20:33
tehdelyi'm addicted to it20:34
tehdelyi really hate typing without it20:34
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AL13N_lizzyi remember this Qt word input thingy where words scroll over the screen in order of most likely20:34
AL13N_lizzydashout? or something20:35
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AL13N_lizzycan't remember20:35
ottuloAL13N_lizzy: yep, picked it up today20:35
AL13N_lizzyottulo: do you have a bit of time to find out these things?20:35
ottuloyeah, let me see20:35
AL13N_lizzythanks alot20:35
ottuloyou want me to check the Jolla Store, right?20:35
AL13N_lizzynative apps, yes20:35
ottuloat least the ones saying ACCEPTED are there20:36
ottulothose I saw earlier20:36
AL13N_lizzyi put accepted there cause i heard it here in-channel20:36
ottuloMorzyn and speedcrunch are also there20:36
AL13N_lizzyok20:36
ottulolooking for the others atm20:36
AL13N_lizzyany idea who made these?20:37
AL13N_lizzyif not, np20:37
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ottulook, the rest are not there20:38
AL13N_lizzyok, thanks!20:38
ottulospeedrun: qwazix20:39
AL13N_lizzyottulo: also, do you know if something openstreetmap is available?20:39
Venemohey20:39
AL13N_lizzyVenemo: yo20:39
ottuloMorzyn: yoktobit20:39
ottuloothers are listed on the page you linked20:39
ottulohey Venemo20:39
AL13N_lizzyVenemo: btw if you're working on something (other than IRC chatter) you can put this here: http://elinux.org/Jolla#Interesting_native_apps_possibly_in_the_works20:39
ottuloany schedule for your IRC client? :D20:39
Venemoottulo: yes. I scheduled it to when I can take a breath after my exams20:40
ottuloAL13N_lizzy: no openstreetmap clients yet20:40
ottuloVenemo: all right, thanks!20:40
AL13N_lizzyottulo: not even android (if you know about it? you don't have to look)20:41
ottuloAL13N_lizzy: probably from Yandex, which I installed, or Play Store which can also be installed20:41
AL13N_lizzybtw: it would be nice if there could be some kind of versioning torrent used openstreetmap thing20:41
ottulono idea if they'll work though20:41
AL13N_lizzyi've been thinking on extending torrent with revision control20:42
AL13N_lizzyfor quite a while20:42
* AL13N_lizzy is a libbt occasional dev20:42
AL13N_lizzyin order to offload openstreetmap, there could be using this kind of torrent with revision control... do you think this is a good idea on mobiles?20:43
AL13N_lizzyyou would get downloading the maps pretty fast, that would be the advantage20:43
AL13N_lizzyalso, an aircrack app would be nice20:43
AL13N_lizzyif you're someplace and there's a bunch of wifi, but no open ones, that it would crack all wifis in the neighbourhood and store it for later use (or current use)20:44
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AL13N_lizzythough i donno if the wifi chip can do injecting20:44
AL13N_lizzyAard: are you a person who knows such things?20:45
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YanielI'm not sure that would pass the "legal" check in harbour (if there is one)20:46
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AL13N_lizzyYaniel: wardriving is perfectly legal20:49
AL13N_lizzycracking wifi is also legal if you have permission to do so20:49
AL13N_lizzy(like myself, i work at a linux firm and often we need to do testing with client acceptance)20:49
AL13N_lizzy*audit testing20:50
AL13N_lizzyYaniel: ^^20:50
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ccha4oh got the email shipping20:51
Yanielwhatever20:51
Yanielyeah audit testing is one thing20:51
AL13N_lizzyyou'd be surprised at how often i need to do this20:51
AL13N_lizzyand sometimes even during meetings, so a phone would definately help20:51
Yanieldepends a lot on where you are but "all wifis in the neighbourhood" seems a little too broad for "have permission"20:52
AL13N_lizzyit's very funny when you ask for wifi and they tell you, i don't know the password, we would have to check, and then as a gimmick we can crack their wifi to show how insecure it is20:52
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AL13N_lizzyYaniel: i meant that for wardriving20:52
AL13N_lizzyYaniel: of course, you'd still need to attack specific targets with confirmation20:53
ccha4Ship (P/U) date : Thur 12/12/2013 16:52 and Estimated delivery : Fri 13/12/201320:53
AL13N_lizzyjust cracking every wifi you come accross would not exactly be legal20:53
ccha4hum too optimist I think20:53
ccha4FI to FR20:54
AL13N_lizzyccha4: out of sheer unnecessary interest what's the order nr?20:54
AardAL13N_lizzy: should be doable20:54
AL13N_lizzyAard: thanks!20:54
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Yanielspeaking of wifi20:54
Yanielwhat about eap?20:54
Yanielsome quick googling seems to indicate connman supports it20:55
AL13N_lizzydoes the firmware support it?20:55
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AL13N_lizzyi assume jolla has the "iw" command20:55
Yanielyep20:56
AL13N_lizzyi once configured a wifi chip to have several different modes at the same time20:56
ortylpccha4: what is the order of magnitude of your order number?20:56
ccha438820:56
macmaNit's shipppppppppiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing20:56
AL13N_lizzy2 different channels (but close enough) managed, 3 master, 1 adhoc and 1 monitor :-)20:56
ortylpccha4: thanks... my is >1500 :(20:57
AL13N_lizzyccha4: huh, shipping only now?20:57
AL13N_lizzymaybe they went through finnish orders already20:57
ccha417:54Left FedEx origin facility VANTAA FI20:58
EztranIf so, that's a good sign.20:58
ccha421:50In transit STOCKHOLM-ARLANDA S20:58
AL13N_lizzyheh, i got a new section; http://elinux.org/Jolla#Cool_Ideas.2C_but_No_Time_aka_CINT20:58
Nicd-I'll put in a couple20:59
ccha4I think I will get my phone sarturday20:59
Nicd-well I can't20:59
YanielAL13N_lizzy: what should I look for in iw list?20:59
Nicd-AL13N_lizzy: can you put in AGTL port (geocaching) and battery graph port?20:59
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AL13N_lizzyYaniel: you want do to master mode?21:01
AL13N_lizzyNicd-: are those apps?21:01
AL13N_lizzyNicd-: for the interesting apps in the works, or the CINT section :-)21:02
YanielI want to connect to my university's wlan, which is wpa-eap21:02
Nicd-AL13N_lizzy: yes21:02
AL13N_lizzyNicd-: if it's the CINT section, you should do that yourself :-)21:02
AL13N_lizzyYaniel: ah21:02
Nicd-I don't have permission21:02
Nicd-can't be arsed to make any more accounts21:02
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AL13N_lizzyNicd-: anyone can make account21:02
AL13N_lizzyNicd-: i understand, but since you also can't be arsed to make the app, i can't be arsed to put it in for you :-)21:03
Nicd-:D21:03
AL13N_lizzybesides, at least this way the history tells people who actually put it in ;-)21:03
AL13N_lizzyNicd-: if you're gonna be helping with community, you might as well make an account for this :-)21:04
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Nicd-maybe I should21:05
AL13N_lizzy6 people already put in something21:05
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AL13N_lizzybtw: if anyone sees faenil or tbr: tell them i'm looking for them (w00t also)21:07
Nicd-I added them21:07
AL13N_lizzynice :-)21:07
faenilAL13N_lizzy, what :D21:07
AL13N_lizzyoh, you're here21:07
AL13N_lizzyoops21:07
faenilAL13N_lizzy, I'm just back from the office, please no tasks :)21:07
faenil(studying for university now)21:07
AL13N_lizzyah21:07
AL13N_lizzyjust to ask if you spoke with tbr21:07
AL13N_lizzyprobably not yet21:08
AL13N_lizzyin that case i'll ask tbr myself21:08
AL13N_lizzyif i see him21:08
AL13N_lizzyNicd-: btw: if you see any other inaccuracies on the page, you can correct them, eg: i'm missing some links to bugtrackers from upstream21:09
AL13N_lizzy(or if you don't agree)21:09
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faenilAL13N_lizzy, no I haven't21:15
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YanielAL13N_lizzy: so what should I look for in iw list for eap?21:20
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faenilccha4, fwiw, when I got the n950 from nokia, it took like 16h to get from FI to Italy ;)21:21
ZogG_laptoptbr: faenil told i may can be usefull21:23
ZogG_laptopmay be*21:23
* ZogG_laptop slaps faenil 21:23
faenilZogG_laptop, we still don't know if tbr has a server for our purposes though :P21:23
faenilhey!21:24
* faenil looks for a large trout21:24
ZogG_laptopserver for what?21:24
faenilZogG_laptop, for what we want to do?21:24
* ZogG_laptop slaps south park style21:24
ZogG_laptopfaenil: i'm not sure21:24
ZogG_laptopfaenil: i might be baugtracker21:24
ZogG_laptopmight be forum21:24
ZogG_laptopmight be wiki21:25
ZogG_laptopmight be anyting21:25
faenilZogG_laptop, I think bugtracker is what we need, what most people here have been complaining about21:25
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ZogG_laptopit's not to shut people up :P21:25
ZogG_laptopwe need to talk what that both sides decide21:26
ZogG_laptopbut i'm ok to help in any decision at what i can21:26
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faenilZogG_laptop, shut people up?21:26
faenilof course you do what people want most21:26
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ottulooh, right21:30
ottuloforgot to tell feedback from my dad21:30
ottulohe called me and said the sound is loud and clear, and not "metallic" at all21:30
ottuloso gj on the mic :)21:30
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* Bysmyyr got tracking number!21:34
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Nicd-yaaay21:34
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ZogG_laptopfaenil: i'm here for a while, tbr ca nping me21:36
faenilZogG_laptop, yeah, I haven't heard him today though :/21:37
FireFlyOh hey, a mail, cool21:37
FireFlyStskeeps: I got Fedex btw, and I'm in Sweden if that matters21:38
ZogG_laptopstill nothing21:38
ZogG_laptopi mean at my side21:39
ZogG_laptoppreordered second day :\21:39
ZogG_laptoppaid the day got email21:39
faenilZogG_laptop, it's very strange that it's been in picking for 2 days...21:39
StskeepsFireFly: yeah, there was somebody confusing the matter by getting his privately sent (not jolla) and getting it stopped in airport for batteries..21:39
faenilZogG_laptop, are you sure your friend hasn't received the package already? :D21:39
pdanek"We had lots of unexpected technical challenges in the shipping process.  Some of you have not yet received your tracking number or device and for  that we are truly sorry. We know you believe in us and we are working  hard to meet your expectations."21:40
FireFlyStskeeps: aha21:40
ZogG_laptopfaenil: it's stillin "paid"21:40
ZogG_laptopnot picking or shipped21:40
FireFlyHey, that was quick. Apparently it's in Arlanda already21:40
FireFly(the Stockholm airport)21:40
pdanekDoes it mean, that they didn't send it yet, or there is a possibility, that it was shipped already, just tracking number not given?21:40
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ZogG_laptoppdanek: both21:41
faenilZogG_laptop, ah :/ but it seems they're already beyond that number, right? :/21:41
ZogG_laptopbut there is nothing then wait21:41
faenilmaybe there's been some issue with something about your order, don't know :/21:41
ZogG_laptopfaenil: i don't know21:41
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ZogG_laptopfaenil: that's make me nerveous21:42
ZogG_laptopis it me or it's just not my turn yet21:42
ZogG_laptop:P21:42
ZogG_laptopi'm 20000194X21:42
ShadowJKsupposedly they're not following the 1xxxxxxx and 2xxxxxxx numbers21:42
* ShadowJK shrugs :P21:43
FireFlyBased on that spreadsheet it seems they are, maybe21:43
pdanek#20000300021:43
EztranWell, maybe not exactly, but I remember seeing about 4 or 5 8xx's get sorted within a couple hours at one point.21:43
ShadowJKA guy who preordered before me got bigger number than I did21:43
aveyhey, is it possible to set an android browser as standard browser? i have trouble with an android app that wants authorization from a website. i think the switch to sailfish browser interrupts the process/ gives an error21:43
FireFlyI'm fairly sure the 200000xxx numbers are in payment order21:44
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ShadowJKyeah21:44
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ZogG_laptopFireFly: they follow payment order and not preorder21:45
ZogG_laptopas i get there were wave of mails of notices21:45
ZogG_laptopbut it send from X date to y21:45
phlixihi21:45
ZogG_laptopand order is based on final payment21:45
ZogG_laptopi think so21:45
ZogG_laptopbut we wait21:45
ZogG_laptoptoday i'm in good mood21:46
ZogG_laptopand i think the mail they sent was late but good move21:46
phlixii tried to fix the function in this "special" gdocs spreadshett, but its unusable for me :( can somone create me a blank sheet? i do not have an account :(21:46
ZogG_laptopreally liked it21:46
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ortylpI am #2000015XX22:03
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ZogG_laptoportylp: got some updates on status?22:06
ortylpZogG_laptop: no, only an email today, that I will receive an email...22:07
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ZogG_laptopEztran: where di you gentals go?22:09
ZogG_laptopyou ahd _ before :P22:09
ortylpZogG_laptop: and 2013 ends for me next week on 20.12, everything after that is January 2014 :(22:09
EztranZogG_laptop: I'd say 'I don't like leaving a _' but considering what you just said it'd sound weird now. :)22:10
ZogG_laptoportylp: if i don't get it before the friend from that address leave country for some time and i may end with it only at summer22:10
ZogG_laptop:P22:10
ZogG_laptopEztran: :D22:10
faenilZogG_laptop, when does he leave?22:11
ZogG_laptopbefore NY22:12
ZogG_laptopbut holidays are holiday22:12
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ortylpZogG_laptop: OK, you won :P22:12
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ZogG_laptoportylp: the best thing if he gets before he would visit me for few days and i get with out extra post22:13
ZogG_laptopfingers crossed22:13
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Morpog_MobileStskeeps: as you asked, no tracking code yet22:30
AL13N_lizzyYaniel: iw has some kind of encryption mode which you can set, though it could be that you need a helper program first, like wpa_supplicant22:31
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AL13N_lizzyfaenil: gonna go sleep, if you get agreement from nemo or tbr, it would be nice to have it; we should send all bugs also to a bugs-mailing list maybe bugs@lists.sailfish.org or something, and have a separate alien dalvik section, then we can twitter and ask for volunteers for triaging bugs, and preferably have some kind of mail scrip that picks the confirmed issues in top priority (first 10) and all new ones from today, and mail da22:35
faenilAL13N_lizzy, yeah, I'm going to bed too22:35
faenilwe'll try again tomorrow evening22:35
AL13N_lizzyhopefully this would suffice for stskeeps, w00t, special, and possibly lpotter too22:36
AL13N_lizzyfaenil: night22:36
ZogG_laptopbad for weak22:37
ZogG_laptopnight22:37
ortylpnight22:39
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pdanekDid you love Gmail years ago?23:35
pdanekWhen it was still in beta?23:35
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ZogG_laptoppdanek: yes. before e understood they are using us nad not use their services23:40
pdanekZogG_laptop: so what's your email now?23:42
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ZogG_laptopstill gmail23:42
ZogG_laptoptoday is or to use own server or to be used by others23:43
ZogG_laptopi can use my own23:43
ZogG_laptopso i'm used23:43
pdanekZogG_laptop: why only those 2 options?23:43
pdanekZogG_laptop: these are many great webmail solutions out there23:43
ZogG_laptopgive me an example for other option23:43
pdanekZogG_laptop: FastMail.fm23:43
ZogG_laptoppdanek: they all use you and your data23:43
pdanekno23:43
ZogG_laptopgoogle once was good too23:43
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ZogG_laptopi'm paranoic23:44
pdanekuse FastMail23:44
ZogG_laptopso we wouldn;t argue here :D23:44
pdanekI found it to be best alternative to gmail23:44
pdanekit even surpasses it23:44
Oni^pipemail?23:44
pdanekyou can try free trial23:44
ZogG_laptopi'm still thinking of own one23:45
ZogG_laptopi know stuff worths moeny23:45
ZogG_laptopbut internet feels to be free23:45
ZogG_laptopit's not owned by anyone23:46
pdanekright23:46
ZogG_laptopmail is one23:46
ZogG_laptopphotos is two23:46
ZogG_laptopcontacts is free23:46
pdanekwell, if you want good webmail, you pay23:46
ZogG_laptopand so on23:46
pdanekinternet is not free23:46
ZogG_laptopso i find better to get own server23:46
pdanekit's for everyone, not free23:46
ZogG_laptopown jabber23:46
pdanekfastmail has jabber too23:47
pdanekon your domain23:47
ZogG_laptopstill thinking of getting my own :P23:47
pdanekDo you know ejabberd?23:47
ZogG_laptopyeap23:47
ZogG_laptopeven set it23:48
ZogG_laptopand used23:48
ZogG_laptopnot for personal use23:48
pdanekthe same company that develops ejabberd offers public xmpp service, even on your own domain!23:48
ZogG_laptopbut on work as rnd for something23:48
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ZogG_laptopif data is not at my computer - it's already not my data23:48
ZogG_laptopthat's my point23:48
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ZogG_laptoponce you uploaded something in internet it's not yours23:49
pdanekyou can enable out of record messaging in xmpp clients23:49
ZogG_laptopi don't think i would pay someone to protect my data while they themselves have access to it23:49
ZogG_laptopthey even can be honest23:49
pdanekI believe this is too paranoid, it's like: do you have bank account?23:50
ZogG_laptopbut if some other company would want it they can ask for it legaly23:50
ZogG_laptopi have nothing to hide23:50
pdanekme neither23:50
ZogG_laptopbut still the feeling is here23:50
ZogG_laptoplike it's nothing secret here, but it's still my personal23:50
pdanekbut I believe, good quality cloud service by trustful company may be good option23:50
pdanekit's like putting money into bank account, instead of having cash at home23:50
ZogG_laptopwe see NSA proves wrong23:51
ZogG_laptopit's bad thing23:51
ZogG_laptopcards23:51
ZogG_laptopbut you see it's more matirial worldd23:51
ZogG_laptopand as i look around i don;t like what we become23:51
pdanekhm23:51
ZogG_laptopyou can't fight it23:51
ZogG_laptopas for material you need to eat so work so paid, you have to have account if you get proper moeny23:51
ZogG_laptopthe system23:51
pdanekright23:52
ZogG_laptopglobalization23:52
ZogG_laptopno small shops23:52
ZogG_laptophuge networks23:52
ZogG_laptopthey evolving from personal to global23:52
pdanekand richer get richer23:52
ZogG_laptopand the fight is lost23:52
pdanekrich get richer*23:52
ZogG_laptopi mean things can change but not that easy23:52
ZogG_laptopwhile internet goes other way23:52
ZogG_laptopaccess and technology is getting better23:53
ZogG_laptopopensource is slowly winning23:53
ZogG_laptopas globalization in knowledge and not in power23:53
ZogG_laptopencyptions23:53
ZogG_laptoppeople givin answers for privacy23:53
ZogG_laptopbuild opensource programs23:54
ZogG_laptopthey do not want control in internet like they want23:54
ZogG_laptopwait23:54
ZogG_laptoplast sentence make no sense23:54
pdanekor... we end up in cyberpunk scenario in 50 years, in world ruled by Google or some other corporation :)23:54
pdanekand there will be no place to hide23:54
ZogG_laptopno23:54
ZogG_laptoppeople want personalization on internet23:55
ZogG_laptopand technology and information23:55
ZogG_laptopthat's what makes us human23:55
pdanekmajority still goes with comfort23:55
ZogG_laptopyeah23:55
ZogG_laptopbut you see, bubble always blow23:55
pdanekand even if people "speak" about privacy a lot recently23:55
ZogG_laptopresources are always limited23:55
pdanekthe same people still continue using the same, because of comfort23:56
ZogG_laptophistory is always repeating itself23:56
pdaneklike look at you, still on Gmail.... then what should normal user do23:56
ZogG_laptopthe point is that more people aware of it and think and slowly move to more private first maybe after their own services23:56
pdanekI'm the same.... I kept coming back to gmail because I used it for years and I'm comfortable with it23:57
pdanektrue23:57
ZogG_laptopand look at iphone and android23:57
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ZogG_laptopeven jolla23:57
ZogG_laptophow impatience we to get device :P23:57
pdanek:D true23:58
ZogG_laptopiphone - they know it's shitty but people stay in line for it23:58
pdanekbtw I loved Google in the past, I was so excited when 1st Android phone was coming out23:58
ZogG_laptopbecause they know to sell it23:58
ZogG_laptopand that's what's wrong23:58
pdanekI love Apple presentations!!!!! It's like a good movie!23:58
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ZogG_laptopbtw south park liek always had great episode23:58
pdanekI never used apple products but I watch every single of their product announcements and presentations :D23:58
pdaneknew episode out?23:58
ZogG_laptopand as i thin kafter talking to you, it's might be slightly related to what we talk23:58
ZogG_laptopit was about photosop23:59
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pdanekah new episode!!!!!!!!!!!!23:59
pdanekscrew you guys... I'm going to watch23:59
ZogG_laptophahaha23:59
ZogG_laptopthey sold their game in last 3 pretty cool23:59
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ZogG_laptopi already want to buy it23:59

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