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CoderCandyokay01:10
CoderCandyI'm home01:10
CoderCandytime to sleep01:10
CoderCandythanks viw for the links earlier!01:10
CoderCandy(what... I'm totally not drunk....)01:11
CoderCandyAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnyway01:13
CoderCandytime to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp01:13
CoderCandyG'nite everyone!01:13
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nanderI've got a fun question for speculation: would gamecube emulation be possible on the jolla?02:22
nanderyikes, 2GB ram required on windows02:23
specialI'd start with 1) are there any gamecube emulators for ARM?; 2) what are their memory requirements02:23
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specialmight want to go back a generation or two :p02:23
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nanderI wanted to play beyond good and evil on my phone ;)02:26
nanderI want to play it, but can't bring myself to playing it on the pc ;)02:26
nanderm64 should be possible though02:28
nanderThat one was ported to the pandora02:28
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pawky|3jonni: wouldn't you say letting the volume button work even when the screen is of is a bug? In real life it will many times accidentally turn the volume off when carrying it in your pocket. I believe it should only work when the screen is lit or when you listen to MP3.07:48
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AL13N_workor when you're calling08:05
AL13N_workthis reminds me, the ringtone is pretty silent08:05
AL13N_workit's like it's not using the full range of the audio format08:05
AL13N_workie: recorded/mastered too silent08:06
AL13N_workeven though audio level is at 60% i often can't hear it, but hear the vibration instead08:06
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vanadisoh hai08:21
vanadisis there a way to search in exchange-mails?08:21
suosaaskisearch what?08:24
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vanadissuosaaski, e-mails?08:26
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suosaaskihave you tried the search box in outlook or owa? :)08:29
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pawky|3I reallly hope someon will fix this volume button bug soon...08:38
sremeswhat's that?08:39
stephgpawky|3: is it still a 'bug' if the media player is playing and the screen off? I like being about to turn it down without waking the device08:39
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stephg^ to me, not a bug08:39
pawky|3stephg: No, if media player is playing I assume you are listening to the music, and you will hear if the volume changes.08:40
tbrvolume control if something is playing is SOP for all platforms08:40
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* tbr researched that for a FirefoxOS bug08:40
pawky|3tbr: SOP?08:40
tbrStandardOperatingProcedure08:40
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pawky|3tbr: Yes, and thats fine by me :-)08:41
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tbrso the problem is?08:41
pawky|3If the phone screen is turned of... (and you are probably carrying your phone in you pocket or whatever)08:41
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pawky|3shortly, volume button should work: When Calling, When scren is turned on, when music/video is played. Button should be off otherwise08:43
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pawky|3In my case I use the Bugatti XL cover for my phone. As the cover is fairly sturdy it might actually push upon the volume button at times, making the phone go silent.08:44
osatonnope, you should be able to change volume with the phone in your pocket08:44
osatonwhat you want is a special option for disabling volume buttons when screen is locked08:45
tbractually that's also SOP. let me dig out my fxos bug08:45
fluxosaton, do you often adjust volume with blanked screen when you're not playing anything?08:46
fluxI think I've never done that on purpose08:46
fluxhow do you know what volume you end up anyway?08:46
tbrpawky|3: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79649208:47
Merbot`Mozilla bug 796492 in Gaia::System "Volume can be changed while phone screen is off." [Normal,Resolved: fixed]08:47
flux"the phone is silent, I think I should increase the volume by two clicks"08:47
osatonoh, sorry :D agree with pawky|3 ;)08:47
tbrpawky|3: note that there is a CRUCIAL difference though. you can't mute the jolla with the buttons and AFAICT it doesn't affect ring volume?08:47
tbrit was highly annoying on FxOS as there it would adjust ring volume and even disable vibration08:48
pawky|3osaton: Touching the screen with your finger(s) will turn the display on, and then you should be able to change the volume .08:48
osatonyep08:50
stephgimo the volume should work with the screen off, it would be unintuitive otherwise, if there's a pin lock however...08:50
pawky|3stephg: why would you like to change the volume without touching the screen and not listening to anything?08:50
stephgnot sure I would, but I'd still expect the buttons to work08:51
pawky|3if your fingers will be on the volume button, I am assuming at least one of them could also give the screen a quick touch confirming you really want to do it. Otherwise there is no way for the phone to know wether you are intentionally presing the button, or something funny in your trousers accidentally will :-)08:52
* stephg always funny things going on in my trousers08:52
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vanadissuosaaski, that's what i did after not finding a search functionality in the mail client08:53
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suosaaskivanadis: whoops, didn't notice you asked on the jolla channel, so didn't realize you are using the Jolla client09:37
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vanadissuosaaski, :309:45
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tobiskiAll of a sudden my email application doesn't check for new messages automatically on IMAP/POP accounts o_O10:28
tobiskiI have set it to check new emails in 5 minutes interval and when I go to webmail on pc I can see unread email sent almost 3 hours ago10:29
ggabrieltobiski: that is a known issue i think10:30
ggabrielespecially after stopping tohd.service10:30
tobiskiggabriel: oh ok, think it has something to do with masking tohd.service since at first it checked for new messages10:32
ggabrielyup, seems like the phone goes to deep slepe and forgets to check10:32
ggabrielif you are playing music, however, it will check :)10:32
tobiskihow inconvinient :/10:33
ggabrielyou can vote in tjc so that it gets fixed10:33
tobiskiwell, updating the email accounts is just one swipe away so it's better than having to log in to every single account on pc and check for new emails :)10:33
tachikomaklar, so ne lobotomie ista uch interrersant, kurzzeitig10:34
tachikomaups, rong channel10:35
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Venemo_jtobiski: yep, known issue10:37
qqKdoes anyone know why the mobile data counter resets sometimes? happened to me twice already10:37
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tobiskiVenemo_j: ye, I was just confused that it suddenly didn't check for new emails even though there hasn't been updates for the application/OS10:38
PnuuqqK: https://together.jolla.com/question/482/data-counters-reset/10:38
Tegualso why the mobile data shows 0.7 MB downlink and 0.1 MB uplink a bit after counter reset even though I'm not using mobile data? haven't checked the bill though, yet10:38
tobiskianyone know the link to tjc with that email app problem, can't seem to find it?10:39
ggabrielVenemo_j: o/ + happy belated bday10:39
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Venemo_jthanks ggabriel you too!10:40
ggabrielthanks :)10:40
Venemo_j:)10:40
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Venemo_jseems that jolla's too loud in a quiet environment and too quiet in a noisy environment10:41
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TheBootroosystem update coming soon(TM) or Really Soon (TM) ?10:42
Nicd-TheBootroo: this month10:42
wickwireHi guys, how may I take a screenshot from the jollamobile screen?10:42
tbrwickwire: there are apps for that10:42
tachikomai today got a system update notification10:42
TheBootrooNicd-: as the month ends soon, it should be Very Soon ;-)10:42
tbrwickwire: also you can just do it over SSH10:43
TheBootrootachikoma: just checked, it says 'up to date'10:43
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wickwiretbr: I saw a guide using imagemagick, but I'm not being able to install traditional linux apps on the phone over ssh10:43
wickwireI tried using zypper10:43
wickwirehow may I do it over ssh?10:43
tachikomaTheBootroo: i just saw the notification this morning on the train, did not react to it at all upp to now10:44
Pnuutobiski: this is the closest I could find: https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/how-to-temporarily-fix-the-email-not-syncing-problem/10:44
Pnuuwickwire: go to store and install one of the screen capture apps10:45
tbrwickwire: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.nemomobile.lipstick /org/nemomobile/lipstick/screenshot org.nemomobile.lipstick.saveScreenshot string:PATH10:45
Pnuuwickwire: eg. Screenshot, which seems to be quite nice10:45
tbrreplace PATH obviously10:45
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tbrand yes, the store apps as mentioned by Pnuu and me are good10:46
wickwiretbr, Pnuu many thanks, tried both approaches and have them working10:50
tobiskiPnuu: thanks, voted that up10:52
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barai am new to rpm, how do i install and search for packages on commandline on jolla?12:54
ggabrielbara: pkcon search name [name of package]12:55
ggabrielpkcon install [name of package]12:55
ggabrielyou have the rpm command too, but use pkcon best12:55
barathanks :)12:55
ggabrieli only use rpm to query for installed packages12:56
barawhy is that?12:56
ggabrielbecause i couldn't be asked to find out how to do it otherwise :P12:56
ggabrielrpm -qa|grep ftw12:56
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krnlynghi, the battery on the jolla phone discharges pretty fast, is there a way to improve battery performance? is it the other half daemon which uses so much battery or maybe the aliendalvik services?13:02
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tachikomakrnlyng: after disbaling the tohd i have a bettry life of 2,5 - 3 days13:03
ggabrielkrnlyng: it's been found that tohd.service is the main culprit13:03
tachikomabefore that maybee half a day13:03
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ggabrielbut in at least 7 days we may have a fix and evreything :D13:05
ggabriels/at least/maximum/13:05
krnlyngtachikoma, ggabriel thanks13:05
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krnlyngtachikoma, ggabriel do you know what the other half daemon does? does it do something important or can one safely disable it without loosing features?13:06
ggabrielkrnlyng: it detects the other half13:06
ggabrielfor example13:06
ggabrieli had it off pretty much from day 113:06
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ggabrielone day i started it, detected the other half, downloaded content, and so on13:06
ggabrielso if you have 2 other halves, perhaps it won't change the ambience13:07
tachikomaafter disabling i did not loose any functionality i would be aware of13:07
ggabrielonce ambiences are downloaded, you can continue using them manually with tohd.service disabled13:07
ggabrieloh, there are other things... i think email sync goes berserk if it's off13:07
ggabrielthere is plenty of info in together.jolla.com about that13:07
ggabrielweekend read :)13:08
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barahmm there is no wget?13:14
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roborowget is in the openrepos.net repository... you can pick it up in Warehouse13:14
salami`bara: use curl13:15
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bara:)13:15
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KabouikHi guys13:41
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KabouikAm I the only one not showing videos playing in the media cover in homescreen? I remember it was one of the features showed off a lot of time in official videos. I only see a subsample of picture thumbnails13:42
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Kabouik-showing +seeing13:42
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ottuloKabouik: same here13:42
ggabrielKabouik: i only have the videos that come with the phone and never saw anything13:43
ottuloalthough I sort of remember it showing the playing video too..13:43
KabouikOk, perhaps it was temporarily disabled then13:43
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KabouikI'd like the cover showing something dynamic at least though, the subsample shown is always the same, doesn't depend on whether I scrolled the list of pictures or not, and whether a picture was maximized or not13:44
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ottuloyeah, seems to show the top images13:45
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KabouikAbsolutely13:45
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KabouikHope it's temporarily, although it's not very important anyway13:45
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KabouikAny IRC client project for Sailfish? Nothing in warehouse or store yet I know, and I have not seen anything on TMO yet either, but perhaps it has been discussed here on #jollamobile?13:47
KabouikQuassel would be awesome, but anything would be good13:47
Jopethere's one for nemo that I believe was going to be ported to silica also13:47
Jope"irc chatter" I think it was?13:48
Jopebut why would you want a local client.13:48
KabouikCommuni? Chatter?13:48
KabouikOk13:48
Jopessh + irssi :-D13:48
Jope+ screen13:48
Jopeircnet is such a pain to get to anyway.. always running at the global limit13:48
KabouikBecause I don't have a server, only my home computer, but I don't let it on permanently :(13:48
Jopeah13:48
Joperaspi at home = low power irc box :-D13:49
Waitee_university shells <413:49
Waitee_<3*13:49
Waitee_damn i cant type today13:49
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KabouikWhat are university shells?13:49
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ottuloa shell provided by a university13:49
Waitee_shell servers provided by a university13:49
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Kabouik(Additionally, SSH is hard to configure when only 3G connection is available Jope, I guess one would have to use reverse ssh like on N900? Never managed to do it)13:50
Raimwhy would that be hard on 3G?13:51
KabouikBecause the 3G IP is private13:51
HartziI dont see the problem13:51
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Kabouikhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Reverse_ssh13:51
KabouikWell, I may see a problem because I'm not comfortable with that kind of tweaks13:52
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KabouikI am not experienced, I just follow guides when it comes to command lines :o13:52
KabouikApart from very basic stuff13:52
Raimno, it's the other way around. it's easy to initiate a connection from the phone anywhere else, but reaching the phone from the outside will not work when your provider uses NAT so you get a private IP only13:53
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Hartzievery provider doesn't use NAT13:54
joonahoithat "reverse ssh" link seems to describe creating ssh tunnel from behind the nat to a server on public network13:54
joonahoiand it will work just fine13:54
joonahoidespite of the device13:54
KabouikOh right, that's true that for irssi + server, the phone is the client13:55
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joonahoiwell, that's a different approach, but yes, that's how most of the people on irc are rolling13:55
KabouikPerhaps it's just my brain manipulating me and reminding me that it would like to have permanent SSH connection with the Jolla as host, including when no USB or wifi is available :p13:56
joonahoiyes, exactly. that's what your link describe13:56
joonahoidescribes13:56
joonahoibut you will have to use a server on public network as a middle man13:56
KabouikAnyway, I'm not planning on keeping the home computer on all the time, so a Sailfish client will be welcome when available13:56
KabouikYes, that's why I never managed to do it with the N900 either13:57
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KabouikSpeaking of ssh, I might try out mosh one of these days...13:57
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tbrworks nice from the jolla14:02
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atlazHey if anyone needs a month old Jolla-phone for a little bit less than store prices, then contact me (im situated in Finland)14:04
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atlazIm selling a phone for someone14:05
sharpneliatlaz: :(14:07
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krnlyngis there a way to mark all emails in the inbox as read? i have a pop3 account and it does display 529 new emails which is a little annoying14:14
ggabrielkrnlyng: not at the minute14:15
krnlyngggabriel: :(14:15
ggabrielthere's a request in tjc for that too :)14:15
krnlyngcool :)14:15
krnlyngis there a manual way? (eg edit a file in terminal)14:16
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ggabrielkrnlyng: i have no clue14:16
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mikmathis "screen not turning off" is rediculous14:42
mikmathis time only reboot helped. stopping aliendalvik didn't work14:42
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Stskeepswind @ 21km/h and 2 C in fosdem, sounds pleasant18:06
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narchie:/18:10
narchie1.0.2.5 fooling me again about updates18:10
nanderyou too? ..18:10
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nanderBesides random shutdowns that are my only complaints with my jolla ;)18:10
nanderDid anyone already figure the random shutdowns out?18:12
nanderHere they just started18:12
nanderA month after updating18:12
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dawnbringerHere they did not...18:12
nanderThat's what makes me think it's a glitch in hardware18:13
nanderMaybe faulty wiring that came loose18:13
nanderor is connected, but sometimes not18:13
nanderit only shuts down here while not charging and below 50% battery18:14
nandernot sure about the latter condition18:14
nanderMight be 'only when using non-wifi internet connection'18:14
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spider-marioearlier today, my Jolla said that my account (I don’t know which one) needed to [something] (message truncated)19:17
spider-marioclicking the notification just opened the account panel19:17
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spider-marioI have no idea what it wanted me to do19:18
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ajaijjajspider-mario: could it be google account? I had similar behavior when I had forgot that I'm using OTP with google19:21
ajaijjajnevertheless, it's issue that message is truncated19:22
ottuloI've had the problem that after accessing gmail on another device it will stay disconnected on Jolla19:23
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ottuloand I'll have to log in again, but it won't give a proper notification about it either19:23
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FireFlynander: I've yet to experience any random shutdowns, FWIW20:28
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FireFlyIf you want to compare setups, feel free to ask20:28
nanderI have dalvik running20:28
FireFlyI think I have, too20:28
nanderI have developer mode20:29
FireFlyI haven't used an Android app for a while, but I'm sure I've used once since last reboot at least20:29
FireFlyI do, too20:29
FireFlyI've also disabled tohd.service20:29
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nanderI have too20:29
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nanderI use 2G and 3G sometimes20:29
FireFlySame here20:31
nanderAnd I also use a WPA enterprise network20:31
nander(Wifi)20:31
nanderWhich switches accesspoints quite a few times during the day20:31
FireFlyHm, that I do not20:31
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nanderThe problem persisted when at my parents' though20:32
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FireFlyHehe20:32
FireFly27 days of uptime on the jolla20:32
nanderit was even worse there20:32
nanderMine is 21 hours ;)20:32
nanderI was in the cinema yesterday20:32
FireFlyOuch20:32
nanderSo it's reasonable20:32
nanderI also often run at low battery20:34
valdur55nander: why? You don't need to switch mobile off. just turn "airplane mode" on.20:34
nanderBecause I'm sometimes too lazy to charge20:34
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nandervaldur55 - otherwise I'll start looking at the screen to see the time20:34
nanderAnd that's something I don't want20:34
valdur55nander: lol :) then turn low power screen off :D20:35
* pahartik has 25 days of "uptime" on "Jolla Mobile" device20:40
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mtdpahartik: wish I knew how you did it.  I've got timed, lipstickd, and msyncd eating cpu (each has ~120m of cpu time, uptime <24 hours) :(20:56
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mornfallmtd: uptime doesn't mean no charging20:58
mornfallit means no reboots20:58
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mtdmornfall: yes, I know.  Having the UI daemon, the time daemon, and the data sync daemon eating cpu is not consistent with a stable system, thus is not consistent with long uptime.20:59
mornfallmtd: I don't see how is it inconsistent.21:00
mtdmornfall: hence my lament...starting to troll through the logs to see if anything jumps out at me.21:00
mtdmornfall: ok21:00
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mornfallso when do we see an update? :P21:06
nandersoon (tm)21:07
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mornfallnot soon again :-)21:09
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raa79tomorrow... in valve time21:12
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nanderraa79, at least it isn't EA time21:24
nanderWith caldav available as a DLC21:24
raa79and 2$ for every sync21:25
nanderand the sync servers go down after a year21:26
nanderrendering the device unsyncable21:26
pahartiknander: I do not have any "accounts" defined on it, mostly routing IPv6 between mobile network tunnel and Bluetooth PAN subnet21:27
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nanderlol, querty oth for sale ;)21:48
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barawhich filesystems on the sd card are supported?21:51
dunpmd-crypt support to card or partitions?21:53
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dunpit wold be nice if some "phone number" on sim card is password to crypted volume..  you need pin to open sim..21:55
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