#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2014-02-08

Slimexhehe00:00
clau2well, I will definitely donate something to coderus.00:01
Slimexyep, "application engine stopprd unexpectedly"00:01
clau20.1-29 ?00:02
Slimex2800:02
clau2update.00:02
clau2otherwise you have no right to complain :)00:03
Slimeximpossible, killing also is out of question00:03
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clau2I've installed Crest, it's easier to kill apps from it.00:03
Slimexwow, this thing just reborns again and again00:03
Slimexyes00:03
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Slimexi also used crest00:04
AoyagiBack again, unremembered! \o/00:04
clau2ok, I'm out guys. good night everyone00:04
Slimexwell, time to uninstall00:04
Slimexgn clau200:04
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AoyagiThis place used to be a lot less crowded :/00:05
AoyagiAnyway, are there any official statements regarding future devices?00:05
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Slimexlol, MitäKuuluu 0.1-29 install only manually01:08
Slimexor having 28 already installed01:09
vesurivsi installed it from warehouse01:09
vesurivsbut didnt have an old version01:10
Slimexdidn't work01:10
vesurivswell, the warehouse app itself is quite unstable, crashing when trying to install something etc01:10
Slimexyes that too needs an upgrade01:11
Slimexsearch is a joke01:11
Slimexdoesn't find anything01:12
Slimexand buggy, text only half visible01:13
Slimex(what you type in)01:14
Slimexif only developers would be as quality oriented as the maker of this irc client /rant01:19
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AcceSlimex: Still, can you complain if you get it for free and don't contribute to it? ;)01:20
Slimexahh, I was eaiting for this01:21
Slimexwaiting*01:21
Acceand what did you think as your reply? :)01:21
Slimexwell as I always do, if you suspect something... inspect it01:22
Accehmm01:23
Accewell01:23
Slimexit's that little spec in the corner of your eye speed reading your code01:24
AcceI haven't used mitäkuuluu so no idea what's wrong it01:24
Slimexit's made by a guy who does things without jolla01:25
Yaniel+a01:25
Slimexso he has no real idea, what to expect01:26
Slimexsdk and irl are two different things01:26
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Slimexanyway, quite ambitious project from yappari sources to sailfish-whatsapp01:27
Slimexand no jolla device01:28
Slimex:)01:28
Slimexbtw fuck android-app01:29
Accewell, I'm lucky to live in a world without whatsapp01:29
Slimexwell, I would've been in the same situation, but somebody decided otherwise... :/01:31
Slimexanyway... gn y'all and happy sailing!01:32
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genjixi just built the default app in qt creator and it appears in virtualbox01:53
genjixhow can i deploy this on the phone for testing?01:53
genjixcan i copy it using ssh or what01:53
Acceon the qtcreator left panel01:53
Accechoose projects01:54
Yanieldeploy by building rpm01:54
Acceand add arm7hl build01:54
Yanielcopy that over01:54
Accethe rpm for the emulator won't work on the device, so make sure you choose the arm7hl target01:54
genjixok thanks!01:55
Acceyou're welcome01:56
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genjixwhere can i add arm7hl?01:56
genjixahh Add Kit01:56
genjixok i have the binary? where do i copy it to on the phone to be able to run it?01:59
genjixor how do i run it on the phone?01:59
genjixim guessing i have to do more than scp untitled nemo@192.168.1.135:/usr/bin/02:00
Accewell, you can copy it anywhere, your home folder should be safe02:01
Accebuut, you might want to build the rpm02:01
genjixahh can i run it from inside the jolla terminal?02:01
Acceclick the kit, choose "deploy by building rpm"02:01
Acceor "deploy by copying rpm"02:01
genjixi ran it from the jolla terminal and i just see a blank white screen02:02
Accelatter installs the rpm and runs it on your device02:02
genjixAcce, i'd rather have a binary because it's easier to run when i'm developing02:03
genjixrather than building an rpm and reinstalling constantly02:03
Acceok, did you copy your qml files too? or do you use them02:03
genjixahhh ok i need the data files02:03
Acceyeah02:04
genjixok great02:04
Acceput them to ../share/appname/02:04
Accewhere the path is relative to your binary02:04
genjixok02:04
Accethat way, you can also just copy your updated qml files, if the binary is the same02:05
genjixok02:05
genjixwow works!02:07
genjixthanks for your guidance Acce02:07
Acceyou're welcome :) happy developing!02:07
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AL13Ni filed some browser bugs08:20
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narchieso09:24
narchiewhats going on09:24
narchiedouble tap to open lock makes the led blink green09:25
narchiescreen doesn open09:25
narchie?_?09:25
Waiteetry the power button09:26
Waiteebtw my friends lumia got the double tap to open screen in the latest update :D09:26
Waiteeoh you microsoft09:26
narchiehow transparent09:27
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clauWaitee, it's older than the last update.09:27
narchieWaitee: works again, had somethin to do with connection09:27
clauWaitee, also, there's a sort of N9 like low power mode.09:27
Waitee:D09:28
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Waiteethough it isnt technically copying since nokia phones before had double tap stuff09:28
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clauit doesn't matter if it's copying, if there's no patent, right?09:29
claubut I have no idea if there is :)09:29
Waiteejuridically yeah09:29
Waiteeno idea either :D09:29
narchiewell it's all for the better09:29
narchieif someone steals a good idea09:29
narchiethough it's just amusing09:30
clauI remember that Jolla got access to Nokia patents though09:30
Waiteenokia bridge helps startups09:30
Waiteeno idea if they got access to nokia patents but at least they get financial support from nokia09:30
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TMavicaany temporaily solution when swiping bugged except reboot the phone??10:26
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WaiteeTMavica_: how it bugged?10:27
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StskeepsTMavica: power button once and twice10:29
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TMavicahomescreen sudden cant swipe left or right or down inside the apps10:34
TMavicaknown bugs10:34
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ShadowJKwhoah, communi font size is enormous12:58
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Yaniellarger than usually?13:00
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ShadowJKalso not fixed-width :(13:03
ShadowJKdunno, but i had more usable space for irc in 2006 on a 320x480 screen, iirc :P13:04
ShadowJKthis is approx 30x11 chars13:05
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vatteapparently copy-paste doesn't work between browser and irc13:09
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ShadowJKI'm not sure I've successfully copy pasted...13:09
vattebut I just found out about jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit :) Can't wait to start experimenting13:10
vatteoops, I mean between browser and terminal13:11
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ShadowJKterminal, native, android. Paste barriers around them13:12
vatteyeah, I noticed that about android earlier13:13
ShadowJKi haven't  checked since lasr update, but if you download a file with android browser, android pdf reader doesn't have permission to open the file13:14
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bnvkHello!13:36
bnvkLooks like this is the room for Jolla mobile phone users13:37
Pnuuchannel, yes13:37
bnvkAny of the ppl from the Jolla company itself in here? Or is it more users + fans?13:38
Pnuuthere are some13:38
EztranQuite a few from Jolla around, though they participate more with a community hat on in here.13:38
bnvkCool. You mean an @Op status?13:39
ShadowJKon freenode Ops dont advertise themselves usually13:39
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bnvkRly? Hrm, the chans I follow + run that seems to common. Hehe :)13:40
ln-keeping ops is against freenode channel guidelines13:41
ShadowJKAlso just because someone is Jolla doesn't mean they would have OP, and someone with OP isn't necessarily a Jolla sailor13:42
bnvkFair13:42
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bnvkAnywho, was hoping to make contact with ppl at the company as I'm one of the founders of the FOSS project Mailpile- just got a Jolla phone to play with- had a few questions + ideas!13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinbnvk: feel free to tell here, and on together.jolla.com13:43
Sfiet_Konstantin:)13:43
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bnvkYah, i'm been browsing that- seems to be a TON of comments, feedback, ideas, and bugs all mixed in together13:44
Sfiet_Konstantinyep13:44
bnvk*i've been13:44
Venemobnvk: lots of Jolla employees hang out on IRC, but they are not always as loud as the crowd of fans and critics ;)13:44
ShadowJKtalk.maemo.org has jolla forim too, and #sailfishos here too13:45
bnvkVenemo: right, that's why I'm trying to connect with them more directly13:45
bnvkIs there any particular trick to update to 1.0.3.8 ? I'm on my 4th attempt and none of them seem to stick13:46
Venemobnvk: there is a bug when the update notification pops up, even if you are already up-to-date13:47
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bnvkelaborate on "is a bug" :)13:47
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stephgwhat does Settings>System>About Product show?13:48
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Venemobnvk: if you already updated and the update notification shows up for the same update, that's the bug.13:48
ShadowJKIn general  'asking to ask' is a poor approach, as well as asking if anyone can help..13:48
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Accebnvk: check your system clock; the update might not initiate if your clock is even minute late or forward13:49
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ko__I keep getting update notifications, is this common?13:49
bnvkAcce: late or forward from what?13:50
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bnvkShadowJK: am I "asking to ask" ?13:50
ko__bnvk: accurate time13:50
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bnvkko__: according to cell phone network time? Or?13:50
Acceyes, accurate time, meaning minutes + seconds of UTC13:50
bnvkwow13:50
Accethe update server apparently uses ssl for the connection13:51
ko__cell phone network time means nothing, they're often wrong13:51
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ShadowJKbnvk: kinda, you just say you want to contact someone, but no idea what for :)13:51
Acceand if there is async with the time, the ssl certificate is not accepted since it could be fraud / void cert13:51
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bnvkWhoa, there we go 4 tries, i seem to have finally updated my phone13:52
Acceok, good job13:52
ShadowJKas they don't speak in any official capability, you can bet they all go hiding when people look for them :)13:52
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bnvkthat's unfortunate if that's how the community aspect of this phone works13:52
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ShadowJKBut if people are just discussing stuff you see people with unusual insights of information participate ;)13:53
Venemoko__: yes, it's a known issue13:53
Accewell what can you expect, if people take their word as the word of the company?13:53
stephgjust booted my n9 (to check the position of the delete button in the dialer) and I'd totally forgotten how nice the harmattan/n9 haptics are13:54
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Accethey should be treated as individuals, who just have greater knowledge on the Jolla phone, not as Jolla support team.. there is an official support team at care@jolla.com13:55
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Accejust my opinion though, they can tell their opinion themselves13:55
bnvkright, last time I wrote that email address about what I thought was a billing issue I heard back 2 weeks later13:55
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bnvkAcce: making contact / having discussions does not equate to a final "word of the company" IMH13:56
Stskeepswe're here as individuals, for official statements -> care, @JollaHQ, or jolla.com13:56
bnvkRight13:56
Stskeepsso we're happy to discuss but don't take it as the word of the company13:57
Stskeepsas in, some might condone clubbing baby seals but it's not the company's goals13:57
Stskeeps:P13:57
bnvkhehe, for sure13:57
ShadowJKAmazingly we still don't know what he wants to know or talk about, must be highly top secret if he wants to exclude community from it :P13:58
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bnvkSheesh13:59
Quusheets13:59
bnvkOverall I'm curious what the dev relations / community involvement / update release cycle is going to be like14:01
Stskeepssailfish-devel@, together.jolla.com, monthly, practically14:01
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Yanielessentially "ask and ye shall receive"14:02
Yaniel(with some limitations)14:02
Pnuuoh, and #sailfishos, too14:03
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bnvkSo, where does the split between Jolla / Sailfish occur? From my understanding Jolla is a custom skin / theme for Sailfish, yes?14:03
ShadowJKbrowser landscapr support was pretty high up on together.jolla.com, and arrived in January update :)14:03
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ShadowJKSailfish is the operating system on Jolla the phone14:04
Yanieland Sailfish is based on the Mer and Nemomobile projects14:05
EztranSailfish refers to the OS, as used on the Jolla, essentially Mer/Nemo + Jolla's UI (and a hardware adaptation).14:05
AcceMore like kernel -> mer / nemo -> sailfish UI == Sailfish OS ?14:05
bnvkYes, I get that part! I've never used any of those older OS's and I just jumped in14:05
Yanielthey are not really old14:05
bnvkRight, so where is the split between Jolla UI / what Sailfish is capable of supporting?14:06
ShadowJKhm?14:06
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Yanielumm... the terminal emulator?14:06
ShadowJKgood answer :)14:07
YanielI don't really get the question14:07
bnvkSo Jolla UI handles all of the UI windows, gestures, etc on top of Sailfish?14:07
ShadowJKSailfish *is* the 'jolla ui'14:08
Yanielno, the UI is the thing that makes it Sailfish14:08
Yanielwithout the UI it is essentially nemo14:08
bnvkHrm14:08
Yanielthere is another UI for nemo in the works, by a group of independent devs in the community14:09
Yanielcalled glacier14:09
Eztran(also, it looks really promising :) )14:09
Yanielit looks totally different and is not yet usable AFAIK14:10
AcceYaniel: linkz, plox ;o14:10
bnvkSo for instance the icons here https://sailfishos.org/apps_icons.html this is what I see in my Jolla, but that is the Iconset for Sailfish14:10
Yanielbut if you were to replace the sailfish UI with that the underlying OS would still be identical14:10
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Yanielbnvk: yes?14:10
bnvkOk. So what I'm seeing my Jolla is "not" a theme or variation on top of Sailfish- that makes sense14:11
ShadowJKcorrect14:11
ShadowJKJolla phone runs SailfishOS.14:12
YanielAcce: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 blog post introducing it14:12
Yanielpeople on #nemomobile know github links14:12
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Accejust want to see something first :)14:13
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bnvkShadowJK: yes, I understand that it runs SailfishOS, i'm trying to understand the whole system / where I would jump in if I wanted to customize / do something different with the UI14:13
bnvkThe Glacier link shared by Yaniel helps explain a bit :)14:14
AcceYaniel: looks nice!14:15
Stskeepsbnvk: http://ftp.belnet.be/FOSDEM/2014/UB2252A_Lameere/Saturday/Technical_introduction_to_the_deeper_parts_of_SailfishOS_a_Qt5Wayland_based_mobile_OS.webm14:15
Stskeepswget and view14:15
Stskeeps:P14:15
bnvksweet, thanks :)14:15
bnvkI was just at FOSDEM, wish I had made it to that talk!!!14:15
EztranStskeeps: herp derp, was just watching that and didn't think to link it :)14:16
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Stskeepsi'm obviously watching myself in the video at the moment and i'm grimacing over my own presentation skills..14:17
Stskeepsbut pretty decent for not having done a talk in a year14:18
VenemoStskeeps: you were too quiet but other than that, the presentation was OK14:18
EztranThere are thousands worse out there, that's for sure.14:18
YanielStskeeps: I assume you've had more than enough "baby-talk" though ;)14:18
AcceStskeeps: looking at your own videos is always like that :D14:19
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bnvkSo, question re: installing Android apps- what's the situation with Yandex.Store- it seems to be a very limited selection of Android apps, is that the only way to install an Android app? I14:21
SpeedEvilNo14:21
SpeedEvilyou can also install apks14:21
SpeedEvilOr install other stores14:21
SpeedEvilOr compile from source14:22
VenemoStskeeps: although it seems that the video guys did a nice job on making you louder14:22
bnvkAh, ok. That's good to know14:22
ShadowJKhttp://www.modrana.org/misc/tizen-history.png14:24
bnvkIs there a specific place of documentation re: Android apps exists?14:24
EztranShadowJK: Thanks! Been looking for that image for ages!14:24
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Pnuubnvk: documentation about existing android apps?14:26
Pnuuwell.. try google play, amazon, yandex, ..14:26
Yanielthe android runtime is alien dalvik by myriad14:26
bnvkPnuu: moreso installing on a Jolla14:26
Yanielthat's all I know ^^14:27
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Yanielbnvk: xdg-open $apk-file14:27
bnvkthere only appears to the Yandex.Store thing14:27
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bnvkYaniel: I imagine that is connecting to the phone via some sort of terminal via USB cable connection?14:28
Pnuuor terminal on the phone14:28
stephgbnvk, if you enable developer mode you gain a terminal and ssh access14:28
Yanielor if you have developer mode enabled, directly on the phone14:28
stephgyeah14:28
Yanielif not, iirc tapping on the file in the downloads view will open it14:28
Yanielaka install14:28
Yanieland some file browsers support that too14:29
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HarhaanJohtajagoogle play store  is bit trickier: http://jollafin.blogspot.fi/2013/11/play-store-for-jolla.html14:29
ShadowJKdon't enable developer updates though14:30
Yanieland beware the monsters of the deep sea14:30
ShadowJKoh yes14:31
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ko__don't they require username and password?14:34
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ShadowJKenabling it without user&pass breaks regular updates, I thought?14:36
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thrakcattackhow can i compile c for sailfish?14:39
Stskeepsgcc -o foo foo.c14:39
Stskeeps:P14:39
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thrakcattacki started the mer vm via qtcreator, in this vn there are compilers in /opt/cross/bin but no c libraries14:42
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Venemoyou just hit the green play button in Qt Creator14:43
thrakcattackthis works for c++ but not for c i think14:44
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Venemoyes it does14:47
thrakcattackdoes it work for projects using plain makefiles?14:50
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Venemowell, in that case you will have to SSH into the VM14:53
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VenemoI suggest to just use Qt Creator and have a .pro file for your stuff14:53
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bnvkYaniel: stephg: ah, ok, the developer mode- will poke around there, thanks :)15:00
doctorinserenityMy Jolla keeps vibrating occasionally, is that because the battery is low or something?15:00
Yanielyes15:00
Yanielif it is <10%15:01
Yanielif you have sounds on it will also beep15:01
doctorinserenityit's been on for 30 hours now15:02
doctorinserenitypretty good considering I've been using it the way I was using my n90015:02
Yanielyeah 1.0.3.8 improved battery life surprisingly much15:03
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doctorinserenityit's a little annoying that android background services don't work all that well15:04
NokiusIs it legal to change the License in the temolate toh ?15:05
ko__so, is there a way to get backups off a device without developer mode?15:08
bnvkYaniel: i'm excited to see this improvement- the previous bat life was so poor I immediately considered selling Jolla15:08
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dschoepebnvk: you were probably affected by that NFC bug15:09
Yanielbnvk: I've got around 48h with low to moderate use15:09
dschoepebnvk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9213015:09
bnvkYaniel: with the update?15:09
Yanielyep15:09
bnvknice- that seems reasonable15:09
bnvkIt was sooo bad. Before the update, with NO use, not even a sim card and just sitting idle, my Jolla was dying in about 18 hrs15:11
Yanielyeah I used to keep it plugged to the charger every night15:11
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Yanieland sometimes even during daytime when I was home15:11
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ko__mine went from over 70% at ~23:00 to dead at 08:0015:13
bnvkAre any of you aware of updates coming to the Camera software? The resolution, white balance, and quality seem presently quite poor (when compared to my 3 yr old 5 MP iPhone)15:15
ko__a battery logging ap woudl be good15:15
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ko__mine can't focus at all in the dark, and can't take photos when there's less light. it turns on the flash led and just overexposes and fails15:16
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Pnuuhttps://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:camera/page:1/query:camera/15:16
ShadowJKBattery is already logged o /var/lib/upower or something like that15:19
ShadowJKbut no app to display the data15:19
bnvkHrm15:19
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ko__I'm still wondering if there's a way to get a backup of the device without using developer mode15:20
Yaniela backup of the device or a backup out of the device?15:21
ko__a backup out of the device15:21
Quuprobably not15:21
ko__sending your device in with a backup, just gets you back your device, sans backup.15:22
Yaniela "backup to sdcard" option would be cool15:22
ko__so the chance for a non-developer-mode-enabled phone to even have any use of a backup is very low?15:23
Quudepending on what you mean by "backup"15:24
EztranDidn't someone mention the possibility of a UI for those wonderful btrfs snapshots?15:24
ko__well, the one you can grab via the settings15:24
Quuyeah, you can transfer those easily15:24
ko__how?15:24
Quuthey are /home/nemo/.vault15:24
Quuso uh, file manager what can show hidden files/folders and and15:25
Quustuff.15:25
TMavicaAny chinese developer can help make a chinese input layout??15:25
ko__Quu: which file manager15:25
YanielTMavica: there is one already?15:26
Quuko__: i cant remember what it was15:26
Quubut there is one15:26
Yanielcargodock?15:26
ko__that doesn't show hidden files15:27
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EztranFiletug does.15:28
ko__that's not in the store15:28
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ryukafalzJolla owners: does Sailfish support ad-hoc wifi?16:02
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Pnuuwifi hotspot?16:03
tbrI haven't tried, but ad-hoc is quite uncommon nowadays16:04
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ryukafalztalking about actual ad-hoc wifi rather than a hotspot, yes16:06
Pnuuoh, right16:07
ryukafalzI'm playing around with mesh networking a bit and that's one of the options :P16:08
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arhi16:08
ryukafalzwith cjdns... and it would be pretty cool to get that up and running on a sailfish device16:09
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ari have a slight problem with pairing a bluetooth keyboard with jolla. when it asks me to enter password on the keyboard, it doesn't register that i just entered it and it doesn't pair16:10
bnvkDo any of you have / use an alternate "The Other Half" phone back?16:11
arit sometimes shows me, that i entered wrong passcode16:14
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thrakcattack:re16:18
Iryusre thrakcattack :)16:20
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aris it possible to send a non-random pin for pairing?16:22
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arwhere can i get bluez-simple-agent from on jolla?16:50
Stskeepsis that a test script?16:51
arit's a script that should allow me to pair with some device and specify a non-random key16:52
ar(i want to test pairing with my bluetooth keyboard, which works fine on android but doesn't seem to pair on jolla)16:52
Stskeepsbluez-test/tests?16:53
Nicd-http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/neither-microsoft-nokia-nor-anyone-else-should-fork-android-its-unforkable/16:53
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Stskeepsyeah, noo..17:02
StskeepsNo company has really gone down this route. <- not true17:03
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SpeedEvilI suspect they mean mainstream vendors, for which it's true17:11
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SpeedEvilAs AIUI - if Samsung sold a sailfish phone, they violate agreements to not fork - and may lose their google apps.17:12
doctorinserenityI don't think android is unforkable17:12
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SpeedEvilIt's getting harder.17:12
doctorinserenitypersonally I only use the emulator for the stupid vendor locked-in communication platforms17:12
doctorinserenityapart from Hangouts I'm sure other companies wouldn't mind putting their android apps on another market17:13
doctorinserenitybut yes, article describes a worrying trend17:14
SpeedEvilThe problem is that the vendor may need to reimplement functionality.17:14
SpeedEvilFor example - the missing google maps or play services framework17:14
doctorinserenityof course, but google maps isn't the problem17:14
doctorinserenitythe real killer is not having snapchat and full featured facebook apps17:15
SpeedEvilyes17:15
SpeedEvilOh no. No facebook. How will I cope.17:15
SpeedEvil(I do actually have a fake facebook account. I use it to get free ice-cream)17:16
kehnoofree ice cream?!17:16
doctorinserenityI would miss out on so much interaction with my peers without facebook17:16
doctorinserenityfucking facebook events and group chats for everything :/17:16
SpeedEvilkehnoo: 'like us for voucchers'17:16
kehnooohhh17:16
SpeedEvildoctorinserenity: yeah - network effects are a bitch.17:16
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doctorinserenitywelp, phone died17:17
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doctorinserenity28 hours17:17
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genjixhow can i use websockets in qml on jolla?17:20
tbrthat's a #sailfishos question17:20
tbror for the dev ml17:20
genjixok17:21
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doctorinserenitybtw, do most people have a creaky OH?17:22
doctorinserenityaround the volume and power buttons17:23
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Pnuunope17:24
SpeedEvilAnyone in the UK suggest a third party accidental damage cover place for Jolla?17:24
SpeedEvilSquaretrade won't work for preorders.17:24
doctorinserenityit's the white one here17:24
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SpeedEvilAlternatively - is there a published schedule of off-warranty repair costs - say for a smashed screen.17:25
kehnooput something between the battery and OH and it'll feel more solid17:25
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StskeepsSpeedEvil: somebody quoted 210 EUR for screen replacement17:25
doctorinserenitykehnoo: might try that17:25
kehnooI've got black OH and 20 e bill there for emergencies and it feels solid and non-creaky17:25
Pnuukehnoo: money-TOH :-)17:26
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Iryus210€ Stskeeps !!!??17:33
Stskeepssomebody mentioned it on tmo17:33
Stskeepsit was done within 3 days though17:33
Stskeepshttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1410496#post141049617:33
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IryusOn twitter too Stskeeps  :/17:33
Stskeepsi have no idea if that's the truth, though17:34
IryusDamn it....and what the price for camera replacement..anyone have an idea?17:35
SpeedEvilIryus: well - you mean replacement because you broke it - or warranty?17:35
Stskeeps"And 210 euros later I got my Jolla back from OptimaService. I also got the broken screen back. Apparently they had to change everything. Screen, touch elements and the gorilla glass."17:35
Iryusmy shots very blurry17:36
Stskeeps"a friend once dropped his SGS3 and cracked the screen... turned out you have to buy the a combi of screen, glass and electronics which costs 130€ - if you change it yourself... so 210 incl. labour sounds reasonable..."17:36
SpeedEvilIryus: that's a warranty issue rahter than a pay-to-fix - I'd have thouht17:36
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kehnooI liked Lumia 820 I had because I the glass was seperate from the screen, was easy and cheap to replace17:36
SpeedEvilStskeeps: I'm awaitin my n7 back from squaretrade - after a week or so17:36
kehnoothe hardware, not the phone itself :p17:36
SpeedEvilYou can seperate off the glass from the LCD - in many cases - even with glued17:37
Iryuswhiteout and micro scratches on the glasse17:37
Iryuscamera glass*17:37
kehnooyeah it's possible, just really hard unless it was designed that way17:37
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SpeedEvilScratches on glass will generally not blur.17:39
Iryusim a unkucky guy....my N9s and N900 are brandnew ....17:39
SpeedEvilIt will reduce contrast17:39
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Iryussee my twitter you'll understand :/17:39
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Iryusi posted some comparaison with my N9 SpeedEvil17:40
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Pnuuurl?17:40
Pnuuabout dirty lenses with minor scratches (yes, a dSLR, but anyway): http://kurtmunger.com/dirty_lens_articleid35.html17:41
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Iryuswait a minute :)17:43
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IryusRe eee'body :)17:46
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Iryusthis is my problem https://twitter.com/Iryus_4Ever/status/43037821953221836817:50
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Pnuuincorrect focus17:50
IryusBefore, no problem https://twitter.com/Iryus_4Ever/status/42308006780865331217:51
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EztranThat's... a very odd bit of focussing. Why's it gone for the ground?17:52
Nicd-my jolla does that too sometimes17:53
Nicd-seems it doesn't like to focus on the center point17:53
EztranWeird, you'd think that's exactly what it would aim for.17:53
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Iryuswait i'll upload some picture of my Jolla...17:54
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Iryushttps://jolla.zendesk.com/attachments/token/4ms6mkyfiyq2s41/?name=20140203_017.jpg17:57
EztranAt least that one picked something sane to focus on.17:58
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Iryusupload now on my twitter https://twitter.com/Iryus_4Ever/status/43221409400409292818:08
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Iryusi opened a ticket for Jolla Care...for the moment no answer :/18:09
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EztranThey've been backlogged for ages, it may be a while before you get a response.18:17
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Stskeepsgetting better however18:18
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louisdkIs the Jolla device hardware locked. Would it be possible to port Android to it?18:20
Morpog_you can unlock the bootloader18:22
Sfiet_Konstantinlouisdk: fun, usually, you will want to port away from Android18:23
Sfiet_Konstantinnot porting android to it18:23
Morpog_hey Sfiet_Konstantin18:23
Sfiet_Konstantinmorning Morpog_18:24
Morpog_lol18:24
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louisdkMorpog_ , Sfiet_Konstantin: Nice. It's just if Jolla/Sailfish dies I still want to use my device and get apps etc. And then I would rather run Android on it than buying a new phone.18:25
Sfiet_Konstantinlouisdk: you can, but good luck for finding drivers18:25
Pnuuhow it dies?18:25
kehnoojust make sure by contributing to the community that it doesn't die ;)18:25
mikmalol18:25
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cloantaVideo: Carsten Munk - Deeper parts of Sailfish OS  http://reviewjolla.blogspot.be/2014/02/video-carsten-munk-deeper-parts-of.html18:34
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clauStskeeps, what's with the Here updates I get? here-daemons-1.2.0-10.6.1.jolla.armv7hl and libherepositioning-1.2.0-10.6.1.jolla.armv7hl18:52
Morpog_you were not getting them, you asked for them :)18:56
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clauwhat do you mean?18:59
Accethat you ran pkcon refresh18:59
Acce= roughly same as asking for update notifications in the repo18:59
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clauI *do* know that.19:01
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clauthe question is, how come we can see them before official updates?19:01
cloantahe see in warehouse19:02
clauand an even better question is, how do I know they are coming from Jolla? Can I somehow see what repository offers them?19:02
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clauwarehouse app says they come from adaptation1 repo, which is jolla19:03
tbrclau: do you have 3rd-party repositories enabled?19:03
clauyes19:04
claua bunch of openrepos repositories19:04
tbrall bets are off19:04
Morpog_disable all of them, refresh again19:04
claulet's see...19:05
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clauI still get them.19:08
clauOnly Jolla repos are active.19:08
clauhttp://pastebin.com/B1PfeBKR19:10
TMavicaI updated19:11
clauTMavica, I suppose that's safe, since they seem to be coming from Jolla repo.19:12
Morpog_still, I wait for official update notification19:13
claume too19:13
clauunless someone from Jolla says they are ok, there's a small risk one of their servers was hacked19:13
clauhappened to FreeBSD not long ago19:13
TMavicaclau yes19:14
Pnuuwasn't the "you have update" notification bug basically coming from the updated packages?19:14
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TMavicai havent got this bug19:14
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clauPnuu, afaik, no19:15
clauI had it even though there weren't any updates reported by pkcon19:15
Pnuuok19:15
claubut that was with 1.0.2.519:15
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clauwith 1.0.3.8 I sometimes get update notifications for some Store apps, which do not actually exist.19:16
clauQuick Launcher is one case19:16
clauI had to uninstall it, it became unpleasent already.19:16
claupkcon get-details here-daemons says version 1.2.0 comes from adaptation119:16
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clausame for libherepositioning-1.2.0-10.6.1.jolla.armv7hl19:17
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Morpog_I guess there will be a store update of Maps app soon19:19
clauFirst thought was that an update is about to be announced.19:19
clauMorpog_, that, or maybe the developer pushed them on the repo by mistake.19:20
Morpog_I hope next OS update includes Qt 5.219:20
Morpog_that new renderer hopefully makes our Jolla's silk smooth19:20
clauthat would be nice :)19:20
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AJAX555ah sweet jolla saved my day simply because it failed to connect to network!21:26
stephghow?21:26
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AJAX555telemarketer had tried to call to me at 10.50am21:27
DrainBamagedSurely you wouldn't have been all day talking to a telemarketer?21:27
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AJAX555no, but those bastards are too annoying21:27
AJAX555sometimes enough to ruin all day21:28
AJAX555+ fin - usa ice hockey was going on at that time21:28
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AJAX555except finland did horribly in that match..21:28
Nicd-would be nice to have an API for the phonecall UI so someone could implement fonecta caller21:28
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Nicd-because a telemarketer called me yesterday, luckily I didn't manage to answer in time :P21:29
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Pnuurobinson register <321:33
AJAX555by the way.. is there any function in jolla to block incoming phone calls from a number?21:33
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Turskii haven't found it too hard to just say no thank bye for telemarketers21:48
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Turski(is telemarketer a synonym for ski jumper?)21:48
Pnuuonly on perfect landing21:49
Turski:)21:49
Nicd-Turski: but it would be much better if I didn't need to answer them at all :P21:50
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Pnuuin finland that robinson register really works, have had it for years21:52
Pnuuit seems that all the marketers respect that list, and don't call anymore21:52
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Nicd-the one that called me was my operator (they try to offer more stuff) so I don't know if they'd respect it21:53
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Pnuuoh, yeah, those are the exception :-(21:53
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Nicd-my number is secret so I don't really get other calls. but fonecta caller would still be nice for when people I don't know call me21:54
Pnuumy bank and insurance company has called once a year or so21:54
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Pnuuhttp://xkcd.com/1327/22:04
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eye_ajolla )0lLa joh22:57
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eitzeiIs someone else having a feeling that recent update "broke" the os? My Jolla had worked perfectly, no crashes what so ever, but after 1.0.3.8 update my Jolla has crashed three times today. I haven't installed anything new so its strange... And did the new update change the method to answer to phone? Previously it was enough just slide the screen, but now I have to slide and tap "answer":(23:11
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JupiterOrbitOMG! What a bloody amazing IRC client!23:13
attaheitzei: sorry, not really23:13
attah(i.e. i have the opposite experience)23:13
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JupiterOrbitJust installed it. Like the pulley menu overload.23:14
Venemomeh23:16
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Quulocal irc-clients are laaaameee23:17
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Accesince when did someone care about something being lame?23:19
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Quuhipsters cared about it before it came mainstream23:19
Accepoor guys23:19
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M4rtinKanybody else with Sailfish IRC ? :)23:21
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JupiterOrbityep23:23
tanghus_yes, testing it atm23:24
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M4rtinKseems to work fine23:25
M4rtinKbtw, any idea if it saves chanels ?23:25
tanghus_wonder what it does to battery time23:25
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tanghus_it does, just tested23:25
M4rtinKor you need to reconnect on startup?23:26
M4rtinKgood point23:26
Accetanghus_: it burns battery quite fast, but devs are promising upgrades as the profiling tools get better support23:27
tanghus_but closing it as I'm right in front of my monitor :)23:27
tanghus_Acce: good to hear23:27
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genjixmy email doesn't seem to work23:36
genjixhow can i change the settings?23:36
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clautanghus, impact on battery seems to be quite small23:50
Accemaybe it got better already, but I had significant increase in battery consumption23:51
tanghusclau: that's great. Good for travels then23:51
clauas in, I haven't noticed anything serious after hours of usage23:51
Accecomparing a day at work I had the client constantly on to a day when I had it closed23:51
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clauthough, I am running with suspend policy "early"23:52
clauso the phone doesn't go to deep sleep anyway23:52
Acce100 in the morning; irc on: around 60 when going home, irc off: around 8023:52
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tanghusnot bad23:52
clauI guess there could be a more significant difference to the default suspend policy23:52
tanghuswhere do you set that?23:52
clauone sec...23:53
clauhttps://together.jolla.com/question/3057/how-to-temporarily-fix-the-erratic-email-syncing-problem/23:53
clauuhm... the link inside the post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9218323:54
claubasically, you install mcetools23:54
tanghushadn't seen the update to that post, thx23:54
clauand run mcetool --set-suspend-policy early23:54
clauyw23:54
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clauwith "early" I still get better battery life than my N9, with a bit more aggresive usage even23:55
claunot to mention that I was using 2G / 2.5G on N9 and I use 3G on Jolla23:55
clauN9's 3G really ate too much battery in my case.23:56
clauin any case, I usually have 30-50% left by the end of the day on Jolla with suspend policy "early"23:56
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clautime to go... good night everyone23:58
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tanghuscya23:58
M4rtinKnite :)23:58
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