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Yaniel | ugh | 05:18 |
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Yaniel | rebooted and got my app icons shuffled | 05:18 |
Yaniel | and didn't even get asked for the PIN code | 05:18 |
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Yaniel | wtf | 05:46 |
Yaniel | "these settings cannot be used without a sim card. pull down to enable sim card" | 05:46 |
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Yaniel | oh it actually came online after that | 05:48 |
Yaniel | and I apparently won the ambience deletion lottery | 05:49 |
Mnsu | that shuffling thing has happened to me also a few times, but not yet since the latest update | 05:49 |
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oh8gnz | is this hunger meter showing truth.. it says for 12 hour avg 37mW | 06:29 |
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Pnuu | in deep sleep, maybe | 06:30 |
oh8gnz | yes, I was.. but it just feels unbelievable that phone have also been | 06:32 |
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tbr | 37mW is probably attainable if your phone stays in deep sleep most of the time | 06:33 |
oh8gnz | it just feels really low consumption even in sleep | 06:34 |
oh8gnz | maybe there have been 1-2 phone calls and it have received few e-mail during that time | 06:35 |
oh8gnz | but mostly it has been last 12h without any use | 06:35 |
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Yaniel | I get 2-4 days without use | 06:37 |
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oh8gnz | with my normal use it seems that it gives me about 2-3 days battery life | 06:39 |
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Quu | need to use gps/navigator daily so i get only about 9h :< | 06:42 |
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oh8gnz | that's not bad actually.. my old e7 it didn't last 500-600km with navigation without additional power | 06:45 |
Quu | ah well, i dont use it all the time | 06:47 |
Quu | only when i get near-ish to destination and have no idea where to go next | 06:47 |
Quu | i can navigate on ~50km range without gps | 06:48 |
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Reilu-Kake | Should the external SD card be formatted into vfat or should it recognize btrfs automatically? | 06:57 |
Yaniel | btrfs should work automatically with the latest version | 07:00 |
Reilu-Kake | I'll have to look at it closer later this day. Couldn't copy backups into the SD card. | 07:01 |
Reilu-Kake | "Oops, could not copy" | 07:01 |
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Yaniel | also lost somehow: calendars | 07:34 |
Yaniel | *all* of them | 07:34 |
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chriadam | Yaniel: what do you mean by lost? and which calendars? | 07:38 |
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CoderCandy | ... there's one inconsistenty I really dislike in the jolla, and that's the swipe-to-minimize gesture. | 08:11 |
CoderCandy | In portrait mode it's from the long sides. In android landscape it's from the long sides | 08:12 |
CoderCandy | In native landscape it's from the short sides | 08:12 |
CoderCandy | Due to the swipe edges rotate with the screen. | 08:13 |
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CoderCandy | But I've learned which edge does what, not which direction does what | 08:13 |
CoderCandy | So I tend to kill the apps I have in landscape mode. | 08:14 |
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Tegu | CoderCandy: yea, I also tend to do that | 08:17 |
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CoderCandy | I can haz settings option for this please? | 08:18 |
Tegu | also the landscape only works one one side but not the other way around. this is a bit wtf. and actually I think it depends on the application. | 08:18 |
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Yaniel | chriadam: there are no calendars anymore | 08:19 |
Yaniel | and no events | 08:20 |
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chriadam | Yaniel: where were they synced from originally? do they still exist remotely? | 08:20 |
Yaniel | exchage, yes they do | 08:20 |
chriadam | ok so this is an exchange sync issue, by the sounds... VDVsx any ideas? | 08:20 |
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Yaniel | but neither the exchange calendar nor the phone's local calendar show up in tha calendar list | 08:21 |
Yaniel | and it seems email sync works | 08:21 |
chriadam | Yaniel: ok, the local calendar also is gone? | 08:21 |
Yaniel | yes | 08:21 |
chriadam | if you run: devel-su -p jolla-calendar | 08:21 |
chriadam | do you see any debug logging like "cannot open mkcal calendar" or something | 08:21 |
Yaniel | there is absolutely nothing in the calendar app | 08:21 |
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Yaniel | huh, that brought them back :o | 08:23 |
chriadam | Yaniel: ok, close the app and do this instead: | 08:25 |
Yaniel | no calendar opening errors | 08:25 |
chriadam | invoker --type=silica-qt5 -n -d 5 -s /usr/bin/jolla-calendar | 08:25 |
chriadam | are they still gone, when it's launched that way? | 08:26 |
chriadam | or are they back again? | 08:27 |
Yaniel | no they are back | 08:27 |
chriadam | hrm :-/ | 08:27 |
chriadam | i have nfi | 08:27 |
Yaniel | also when opening the app through the menu | 08:27 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 08:27 |
chriadam | yeah, opening through the menu just does that invoker line | 08:27 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | fixed by doing nothing | 08:27 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | morning everybody | 08:27 |
chriadam | Sfiet_Konstantin: best kind of fix :-P | 08:27 |
Yaniel | classic "run it with sudo and everything works" | 08:27 |
chriadam | gmorning | 08:27 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | chriadam: indeed | 08:28 |
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Nicd- | flux: see you there :) | 08:32 |
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CoderCandy | hmm | 08:38 |
CoderCandy | Stskeeps: hey, did we come up with anything about my jolla? | 08:38 |
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chem|st | CoderCandy: that is what I am moaning about ever since it got introduced (gestures rotating with the app/screen) | 08:56 |
chem|st | chriadam: another "works when debugging" :) | 08:57 |
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chem|st | Reilu-Kake: I setup btrfs with subvolumes yesterday, first thought it did not work but I was just not patient enough | 08:59 |
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sharpneli | I got the sound bug again. I'll try to get some logs out before it goes away. I hope it manages to be bugged until the evening when I have time to do it | 09:03 |
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spacedentist | hi jolla friends! i'm expecting to get my jolla delivered later today. i also bought a 64gb memory card and i want to initialise it now so i can start copying all my music on it. question: should i use any special parameters when using mkfs.btrfs? any parameters i should tweak to make it work optimal inside my jolla? | 10:03 |
stephg | spacedentist people here have had difficulty with btrfs versions | 10:04 |
stephg | you may be better to format the card on-device rather than on computer | 10:04 |
stephg | (or use ext4 ;) | 10:04 |
spacedentist | hmmmm... :( | 10:04 |
spacedentist | do you know by chance what version of btrfs-tools is running on the jolla? | 10:04 |
special | btrfs-progs-0.20rc1+git358.4-1.6.2.armv7hl | 10:05 |
Teme | how can i see which fs i've got on the sdcard? :o | 10:09 |
Teme | i have no recollection how i initialized it | 10:10 |
Teme | vfat | 10:12 |
Teme | seems to be supported well enough, i guess i formatted it on my windows machine :P | 10:12 |
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spacedentist | oh, okay. my btrfs tools are probably newer, but also probably follow a different version numbering scheme, because they are 3.12 (debian testing), but the older debian stable had 0.19+20120328 | 10:14 |
Teme | is there something to be gained by switching to btrfs or whatever? | 10:14 |
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Teme | and i'm using windows to transfer files directly to sdcard so would it still be supported.. | 10:14 |
spacedentist | Teme: btrfs has lots of nice features. i'm not sure how relevant they are for a phone, but generally it's considered to become the next linux standard filesystem, competing with zfs in the bsd world. | 10:14 |
Teme | aha, that clears it a bit | 10:15 |
spacedentist | it's got like fs-internal replication (raid-like), copy-on-write, snapshots,... | 10:15 |
spacedentist | it's really quite nice. it's been around for a few years, but it takes time to become solid and stable. | 10:15 |
spacedentist | might be ready for general use now. | 10:15 |
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Teme | welp, i'm quite tightly coupled with windows at the moment and i guess btrfs support does not come out of the box there ;) | 10:17 |
Almindor | how do you do a screenshot? | 10:17 |
Teme | Almindor: screenshot app? | 10:18 |
Almindor | of your app I mean | 10:18 |
Almindor | ow it has a delay | 10:19 |
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stephg | they have a delay | 10:20 |
Teme | would not be a very useful screenshot app if it could only screenshot itself :) | 10:21 |
Anarky | spacedentist: what about f2fs? | 10:24 |
Anarky | might be better for a sdcard | 10:24 |
spacedentist | Anarky: never heard of that one? does sailfish come with support for it? | 10:25 |
Anarky | I don't know about the support on Sailfish (I don't have a Jolla phone) | 10:26 |
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Nightmare__ | did someone notice that bug: when i try to save a picture from browser window, it's saved without the file extension | 10:35 |
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coderus | Mitakuuluu update v0.2-4. Major bugfixies included. | 11:28 |
coderus | Nightmare__: known bug for me | 11:28 |
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Nightmare__ | i found it on t.j.c | 11:30 |
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Eyea | Jolla )olla joy | 14:41 |
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Eyea | long live )olla | 14:42 |
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Eyea | jolla | 14:45 |
oh8gnz | hmm.. | 14:46 |
oh8gnz | my jolla made now something that it haven't done before | 14:46 |
oh8gnz | I couldn't receive any phone calls or call with phone | 14:46 |
oh8gnz | it showed that there is network but couldn't call.. after reboot everything works fine | 14:47 |
oh8gnz | also 2g/3g connections where down and text messages didn't work | 14:48 |
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oh8gnz | never done this before | 14:48 |
Pnuu | did you grab the logs? | 14:48 |
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netzvieh | hmm. when I open http://tryad.org/ogg/Tryad_-_Listen.ogg with the Jolla everything's fine. if I change the URL to http://tryad.org/ogg/Tryad_-_Struttin.ogg (same tab) it won't play until I move the thingy back to 0:01. if i pull it back to 0:00 it won't play either. On desktop ff that just works fine. | 14:48 |
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oh8gnz | hmm.. damn me.. | 14:58 |
oh8gnz | wonder if those logs are still available | 14:58 |
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oh8gnz | in which logfile it would be if it's still available | 15:00 |
oh8gnz | in /var/log/? | 15:00 |
Pnuu | I guess journalctl might have shown something | 15:01 |
Pnuu | and I thinkg the logs are not persistent by default | 15:01 |
ggabriel | they aren't | 15:02 |
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thargor | Hi all, I've a problem with enabling developer mode. After ~70% of installation the enabling aborts and I have the following error: "package jolla-developer-mode not found in store". Does anybody had this problem too or any idea on how to solve? | 15:14 |
ggabriel | thargor: can you access the store? what sailfish version are you on? | 15:14 |
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Nightmare__ | some had the same problem a few days agao, don't kno how he fixed it | 15:15 |
thargor | yes I'm able to access the store and version 1.4.2 | 15:15 |
ggabriel | i'd check tjc then to see if anybody documented it there... | 15:17 |
thargor | sorry 1.0.4.20 | 15:17 |
thargor | didn't found anything similar on tjc | 15:17 |
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oh8gnz | Pnuu: if that occures again.. I have to then dry to remember take logfile | 15:17 |
thargor | therefore I thought to ask here before post on tjc | 15:17 |
ggabriel | thargor: fair enough... i'd also check journalctl to see if there is anything obvious there | 15:18 |
ggabriel | but you do'nt have dev mode to do that :) | 15:18 |
Pnuu | thargor: I can check if there's something in the logs | 15:18 |
Pnuu | that is, I'll check the irc logs :-) | 15:18 |
thargor | quiet a problem to check logs without dev mode ;-) | 15:18 |
ggabriel | thargor: you're on wlan? | 15:19 |
thargor | does anybody know an app which shows the logfiles ;-) | 15:19 |
thargor | yes | 15:19 |
thargor | pnuu it could be that it was me with the same problem some days ago... was not able to solve it until now ;-) | 15:20 |
Nightmare__ | yeah, i checked, it was you :D | 15:20 |
Pnuu | crazy_imp had also that kind of problems, he went for resetting the device to sort things out | 15:21 |
thargor | in which logfile could I find more info? probably I'm able to open with filebrowser | 15:21 |
thargor | I know that resetting the device could be a solution but I'm interested to find the source of the problem ;-) | 15:21 |
Pnuu | but yeah, it seems that you were the latest one :-) | 15:22 |
ggabriel | thargor: logs aren't in a log file unfortunately | 15:22 |
Pnuu | thargor: did you check also "developer updates"? | 15:22 |
thargor | no logfile written to disk during app installation :-( | 15:22 |
thargor | no | 15:23 |
Pnuu | good | 15:23 |
Pnuu | but well, it's not that then.. | 15:23 |
thargor | next try tomorrow or today evening ;-) I really have to go now | 15:28 |
thargor | and enjoy the sun a little bit and drink a beer | 15:28 |
thargor | but in the meanwhile thanks a log | 15:28 |
thargor | lot | 15:28 |
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spacedentist | got my jolla phone today! \o/ | 16:04 |
spacedentist | is anyone working on a debian based packaging of or for sailfish? have you guys heard anything? | 16:04 |
Stskeeps | no. it's a rpm based system | 16:05 |
spacedentist | yeah i know. but it would be possible to create a debian-base distribution of it. just wondering if someone is doing that already. | 16:06 |
Stskeeps | possible but a huge amount of work | 16:06 |
AL13N_work | why in gods name would anyone want to do that? | 16:06 |
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Stskeeps | AL13N_work: it happens to every non-debian mobile system | 16:06 |
spacedentist | because rpm packaging is pain, whereas debian is well-engineered. | 16:06 |
AL13N_work | Stskeeps: hardware you mean? | 16:06 |
AL13N_work | spacedentist: oh plz | 16:06 |
Pnuu | I'll get my popcorn | 16:06 |
AL13N_work | spacedentist: don't start with me | 16:06 |
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spacedentist | i'm doing or have done both in my work, and rpm makes me cry. | 16:07 |
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AL13N_work | i'm doing and have done both in my work, and deb makes me cry | 16:07 |
TheBootroo_work | starting in 3, 2, 1.... | 16:07 |
Eztran | it already did, why are you counting? :P | 16:07 |
TheBootroo_work | Eztran: the real show | 16:07 |
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TheBootroo_work | the mega-troll | 16:08 |
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spacedentist | yeah i guess. that's probably the reason why both redhat and debian both exist. some like one, some like the other. hence my question if anyone is already working on bringing debs to the sailfish world. | 16:08 |
phaeron | there's this nice tool called alien | 16:08 |
TheBootroo_work | well, i propose throwing deb and rpm, and use Arch linux PKGBUILD to build apps from source directly on the phone ! | 16:08 |
Stskeeps | wake me up when debian mobile is done | 16:08 |
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AL13N_work | it's done for me, any more mention i can just ignore | 16:09 |
TheBootroo_work | AL13N_work: hehe | 16:09 |
spacedentist | so i guess the answer then is no, you haven't heard of such a project. | 16:09 |
spacedentist | that's all i wanted to know. | 16:09 |
TheBootroo_work | no one laughed at my joke | 16:09 |
ln- | spacedentist: that's somehow analogous to bringing steaks and bacon to the vegetarian world. | 16:09 |
spacedentist | ? | 16:09 |
TheBootroo_work | ln-: XD | 16:09 |
AL13N_work | TheBootroo_work: why would i, i have already a build chroot on the phone | 16:10 |
dwangoAC | TheBootroo_work: I was afraid you were serious :) | 16:10 |
netzvieh | ln-: well you end up with veggie steak and veggie bacon | 16:10 |
TheBootroo_work | vegetarian is an old indian word that means "bad hunter" | 16:10 |
Nightmare__ | :D | 16:10 |
TheBootroo_work | dwangoAC: \o/ why not ? | 16:10 |
Pnuu | :-D | 16:10 |
netzvieh | ln-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_bacon | 16:11 |
TheBootroo_work | veggie steak or bacon is just like trying to acheive hallal pork : stupid and impossbile | 16:11 |
TheBootroo_work | omfg, dafuq i just read | 16:12 |
TheBootroo_work | "Vegetarian bacon is also easy to make at home by marinating strips of tempeh or tofu in various spices and then deep frying" | 16:12 |
TheBootroo_work | must.not.eat.that.ever. | 16:12 |
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Eztran | 'also referred to as fakon' -- the only term for it, obviously. | 16:12 |
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Eztran | 'This bacon-related article is a stub.' Hang on, bacon-related is actually a thing on Wikipedia? That's amazing. | 16:13 |
ggabriel | re package system: you are all wrong, we should all use ebuilds and compile on device with -O3 | 16:13 |
Pnuu | Eztran: should be: bacon-unrelated | 16:14 |
ggabriel | re vegetarianism: a) it's bad for you; b) TIL that vegetarian=bad hunter :P | 16:14 |
Eztran | :D | 16:14 |
Pnuu | or unbacon-related | 16:14 |
TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: PKGBUILD is superior to ebuild | 16:14 |
TheBootroo_work | (another cool troll !!!) | 16:14 |
ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: that cannot be true for I use ebuild | 16:14 |
TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: oh well, i see, my argument is invalid | 16:14 |
Eztran | everyone knows that the system you use is superior. First rule of argument, surely. | 16:14 |
ggabriel | well, I use obsd too | 16:15 |
ggabriel | their build system is superior too | 16:15 |
ggabriel | oh, crap, I've just contradicted myself | 16:15 |
netzvieh | well why packaging at all? | 16:15 |
TheBootroo_work | MIND = BLOWN; | 16:15 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 16:15 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | RPM is the best ? | 16:15 |
ggabriel | sorry spacedentist, but the serious answer to your question is that nobody is working on that :) | 16:15 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 16:15 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | [/troll] | 16:15 |
ggabriel | [that we know of] | 16:15 |
TheBootroo_work | netzvieh: +1, just throws the sources where you want and let the phone do what it wants with it | 16:15 |
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ggabriel | netzvieh: agree... complete freedom | 16:16 |
Eztran | best mobile solution ever. | 16:16 |
ggabriel | let's execute sed from /tmp/bin | 16:16 |
TheBootroo_work | installing an app from source : 2hours compilation on an ARM cpu | 16:16 |
AL13N_work | i can understand someone wanting to put a debian system on a device, but i cannot understand forking of a distro just to put rpm to deb... it's just not gonna work especially with the closed source parts, i mean, if you redo those, it's a new OS really | 16:16 |
TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: oh yeah : | 16:16 |
AL13N_work | if they want to, they can fork mer first, then redo all the nemo work and then all of the GUI | 16:17 |
TheBootroo_work | lemme rename /usr/bin to /UsefulPrograms because that's cool | 16:17 |
AL13N_work | people who waste time on that shit are just stupid | 16:17 |
ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: you forgot a space there, spaces are nice because they separate words | 16:17 |
TheBootroo_work | yep | 16:17 |
Eztran | TheBootroo_work: thank you, you made me physically shudder. | 16:17 |
ggabriel | AL13N_work: i can see why there are different opinions, but like Stskeeps said, too much work | 16:17 |
TheBootroo_work | but i also want to replace space with @ everywhere because it's a beautiful char | 16:18 |
TheBootroo_work | Now@I'll@Write@Like@This | 16:18 |
kimmoli | you forgot to translate/localization of folder names | 16:18 |
TheBootroo_work | @Not@More@Annoying@Than@Hashtags | 16:18 |
AL13N_work | imho distro's are like the right tool for the right job, i have nothing against both deb or rpm, just don't waste all your time on stupid trivial stuff, when there's so much upstream stuff that needs to be done | 16:18 |
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ggabriel | AL13N_work: i personally find it strange that at least gentoo and debian have a freebsd flavour | 16:19 |
Pnuu | kimmoli: /hyvät softat/ajettavat tiedostot/ | 16:19 |
ggabriel | i never tried it tho | 16:19 |
TheBootroo_work | kimmoli: oh yeah | 16:19 |
dunp | arch linux is nice | 16:19 |
ggabriel | i do like certain things of gentoo though (python/ruby/java/etc selection, package configuration, etc) | 16:19 |
kimmoli | '/home '/koti | 16:19 |
AL13N_work | ggabriel: why does everything needs to be linuxified or rather debiani-fied | 16:19 |
TheBootroo_work | full unicode paths !! | 16:19 |
AL13N_work | those people should just work on debian core a bit more and do more QA so that my debian servers don't break | 16:20 |
AL13N_work | and do some security checks, cause there's like security crap everyday | 16:20 |
ggabriel | AL13N_work: i agree | 16:20 |
TheBootroo_work | '/WeDoEv3verTheFuckWeWan@t#$µ%P""{{//\d*\w{1,3}/ | 16:20 |
ggabriel | AL13N_work: but i'd also want to try first before speaking | 16:20 |
AL13N_work | this all just pisses me off, there's so much to do in so little time and people are wasting it on crap like this | 16:20 |
AL13N_work | ggabriel: you haven't used debian before? | 16:21 |
ggabriel | AL13N_work: yes, i don't like debian, so i don't want to give comments as they are biased | 16:21 |
AL13N_work | debian can be good for specific things | 16:21 |
AL13N_work | it has some good elements | 16:21 |
ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: you forgot to mention that that approach adds security by obscurity | 16:22 |
AL13N_work | imho all comment is biased, if not, you're a newsreporter or something (and even then) | 16:22 |
ggabriel | AL13N_work: fair enough, i won't try it tho :) if anything, i'll try gentoo's freebsd for the sake of it | 16:22 |
TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: yes, but the risk is that you lose yourself more than the eventual hacket | 16:22 |
TheBootroo_work | *hacker | 16:22 |
AL13N_work | the only truly unbiased people are politicians, since they need to switch to the other side whenever it suits them | 16:22 |
TheBootroo_work | AL13N_work: sorry to break a dream, but reporters (and bloggers) ARE biaised | 16:23 |
AL13N_work | TheBootroo_work: i know, though they should be | 16:23 |
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TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: trolling never stops | 16:23 |
AL13N_work | i'm not trolling, i was venting my anger for stupids waste of time | 16:23 |
TheBootroo_work | but trolling is made of reality parts | 16:24 |
AL13N_work | lol | 16:24 |
ggabriel | we should all use java and be done with it | 16:24 |
ggabriel | drop your jar wherevre you want it | 16:24 |
TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: android does that | 16:24 |
TheBootroo_work | no we must find something more ... weird | 16:25 |
ggabriel | ;-) | 16:25 |
Acce | how about lisp | 16:25 |
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ggabriel | whatever happened with custom installation programs that allowed multiple diskettes? | 16:25 |
Pnuu | whitespace | 16:25 |
kimmoli | APL | 16:25 |
TheBootroo_work | let's all use Visual basic 4 as a dev langage, and drop sources all over the disk | 16:25 |
TheBootroo_work | Pnuu: that's a nice langage | 16:25 |
ggabriel | no, we should all use a hypervisor and dedicate one OS per application | 16:26 |
TheBootroo_work | Pnuu: but be carefull when typing it in HTML form ;-) | 16:26 |
ggabriel | that way, the application will come as an image | 16:26 |
ggabriel | and no need of package system is required | 16:26 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: no, let's do HTML5 and JS instead | 16:26 |
Acce | where is oracle's java OS which runs Java code natively? | 16:26 |
TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: tizen ? | 16:26 |
TheBootroo_work | firfox OS ? | 16:26 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | yes, indeed | 16:26 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | but HTML5 and JS are way better interpreted languages than VB4 | 16:26 |
TheBootroo_work | what about a COBOL langage ? | 16:26 |
TheBootroo_work | of RPG400 XD | 16:27 |
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TheBootroo_work | would be nice | 16:27 |
TheBootroo_work | ... NOT | 16:27 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | I would love COBOL | 16:27 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | (not) | 16:27 |
TheBootroo_work | OMG | 16:27 |
kimmoli | what is that ? | 16:27 |
TheBootroo_work | you scared the sh** outta me | 16:27 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe only 3 davs on the planet would say what I just said | 16:27 |
TheBootroo_work | kimmoli: you better not know | 16:27 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | devs* | 16:27 |
Pnuu | TheBootroo_work: C with GUI implemented in embedded whitespace | 16:28 |
ggabriel | Sfiet_Konstantin: i doubt it... they are pretty well rated actually | 16:28 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | ggabriel: indeed, people who knows COBOL are well paid | 16:28 |
ggabriel | banks still need them (cobol) | 16:28 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | but people who likes COBOL are not that many (I think) :D | 16:28 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | know != like :D | 16:28 |
TheBootroo_work | yeo | 16:28 |
Eztran | of course, you have to pay them more due to the rarity of someone who likes working with COBOL. | 16:28 |
TheBootroo_work | i actually know COBOL | 16:28 |
kimmoli | i like Pascal | 16:28 |
TheBootroo_work | but hate it | 16:28 |
TheBootroo_work | not payed enough compared to the PITA it is | 16:29 |
TheBootroo_work | kimmoli: indeed Pascal was a very nice langage | 16:29 |
AL13N_work | i like Pascal | 16:29 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | hehe | 16:29 |
kimmoli | that was 2nd after C64 basic | 16:29 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't like Pascal | 16:29 |
kimmoli | i had to learn | 16:29 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | even if it looks rather nice | 16:29 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | (rather) | 16:29 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm all C derived languages (un)fortunately | 16:29 |
AL13N_work | i like that when you get pascal stuff to compile most of your bugs are already gone, because of the strict & clean nature | 16:30 |
AL13N_work | i also like the borland object pascal additions | 16:30 |
kimmoli | OOP | 16:30 |
Acce | If Jolla was coded with ADA it would work like a rocket! explode when it crashes | 16:30 |
Pnuu | :-D | 16:30 |
TheBootroo_work | Acce: \o/ | 16:30 |
AL13N_work | Acce: lol | 16:30 |
TheBootroo_work | rocket science is hard | 16:31 |
TheBootroo_work | XD | 16:31 |
kimmoli | just found borland pascal books with BBS phone numbers in it (no www) | 16:31 |
TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: well, what about D ? | 16:31 |
AL13N_work | kimmoli haha | 16:31 |
AL13N_work | kimmoli: most people here probably donno what BBS is | 16:31 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: never tried D, but looks rather nice | 16:31 |
kimmoli | i have made one with Pascal o/ | 16:31 |
kimmoli | Erlang ? | 16:32 |
TheBootroo_work | kimmoli: er...NO | 16:32 |
Pnuu | erlang looks.. nifty | 16:32 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: actually was more thinking about developing my own C++/Java mix (see http://sfietkonstantin.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/thoughts-and-experiments-c/) | 16:32 |
AL13N_work | i don't like idealists | 16:32 |
AL13N_work | and i don't like idealist languages | 16:32 |
TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: oh, you too | 16:32 |
TheBootroo_work | i was thinking about a new langage concept these days; | 16:33 |
kimmoli | would it be called "sfik" ? | 16:33 |
TheBootroo_work | the concept is : easy for the dev, nice with the parser too ! | 16:33 |
AL13N_work | this includes (everything is an object; everything is a function) | 16:33 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: exists: python | 16:33 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | AL13N_work: sounds JS (this implies D:) | 16:33 |
TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: not really | 16:33 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: not really ? | 16:33 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | Python is rather easy to write and parse | 16:34 |
TheBootroo_work | i don't find python nice for the dev | 16:34 |
kimmoli | i started to use perl, then transitioned to python in middle, and then i didn't get anything working | 16:34 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | really ? IMO it is very clean and not too verbose | 16:34 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | kimmoli: perl D: | 16:34 |
AL13N_work | i like pascal because it has both top-down and OOP and asm inline | 16:34 |
TheBootroo_work | D: | 16:34 |
TheBootroo_work | AL13N_work: actually my idea is everything is an object, including classes and functions | 16:35 |
kimmoli | i have to revive my apl 'skills' someday | 16:35 |
AL13N_work | TheBootroo_work: i've already written you down | 16:35 |
TheBootroo_work | and everything is strictly typed | 16:35 |
AL13N_work | :-) | 16:35 |
AL13N_work | (as an idealist, i mean) | 16:36 |
TheBootroo_work | hehe | 16:36 |
TheBootroo_work | be careful | 16:36 |
TheBootroo_work | i'm a furious and skilled idealist, the worst kind | 16:36 |
AL13N_work | when you start with "everything is..." <--- idealism | 16:36 |
TheBootroo_work | that mean i'll take the time i need but i'll do it | 16:36 |
* AL13N_work is pragmatical | 16:36 | |
AL13N_work | hehe | 16:36 |
AL13N_work | strict types is good though | 16:37 |
AL13N_work | (as long as you have a workaround :-) ) | 16:37 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo_work: functions as objects either sounds functor or weired | 16:38 |
ggabriel | you guys... prolog is the future | 16:38 |
TheBootroo_work | AL13N_work: if you have workaround, you gonna have a bad time | 16:38 |
ggabriel | when will we have sailfish running in prolog? | 16:38 |
* kimmoli hits the road ... life←{↑1 ⍵∨.∧3 4=+/,¯1 0 1∘.⊖¯1 0 1∘.⌽⊂⍵} | 16:38 | |
AL13N_work | lol | 16:38 |
TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: ppp-p-pprolog ??! please, don't ! | 16:38 |
AL13N_work | what about RPG? | 16:39 |
ggabriel | it's the best | 16:39 |
ggabriel | AL13N_work: is that a weapon? :P | 16:39 |
TheBootroo_work | AL13N_work: already proposed | 16:39 |
AL13N_work | oh, missed it | 16:39 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | what about ASM, simple, basic, not portable, nothing | 16:39 |
TheBootroo_work | Sfiet_Konstantin: XD | 16:39 |
AL13N_work | gimme inline asm anyway :-) | 16:39 |
Pnuu | rocket propelled Gnu | 16:39 |
ggabriel | Sfiet_Konstantin: lots of fun | 16:39 |
Acce | Stskeeps: my wlan is somehow frozen.. log says a lot of "lipstick: Unable to open /proc/1529/oom_score_adj for writing" when I try to enable/disable stored networks | 16:39 |
AL13N_work | MOV EAX,[SI+4] | 16:40 |
Stskeeps | Acce: n4? | 16:40 |
Stskeeps | or jolla | 16:40 |
Acce | Jolla | 16:40 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | After being the welcome bot, Stskeeps is now the bugreport bot | 16:40 |
Stskeeps | :P | 16:40 |
Stskeeps | Acce: log is fine, fwiw | 16:40 |
TheBootroo_work | well guys, have to go | 16:40 |
TheBootroo_work | back tomorow | 16:40 |
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Acce | Stskeeps: hmm, anything else I could check? It probably will be fixed by reboot though | 16:41 |
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Stskeeps | Acce: not offhand | 16:42 |
ggabriel | Acce: i assume "frozen" means you can't even switch it off from settings? | 16:43 |
Acce | ggabriel: I can switch it on and off, but I cannot disable stored networks and scanning doesn't work when "connect to internet" | 16:43 |
Acce | and, of course, it doesn't connect to anything | 16:44 |
ggabriel | no idea... never happened to me | 16:44 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | Acce: reboot ? | 16:44 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | and maybe journactl ? | 16:44 |
Acce | Sfiet_Konstantin: yes, just thought there might be something to find out why this happened before rebooting.. | 16:45 |
Acce | what should I grep journal for? connman? | 16:45 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | Acce: connman, connectionagent | 16:45 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | Acce: you can invoke journactl /usr/bin/connectionagent | 16:45 |
Acce | ah, didn't know that, thanks | 16:46 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | Acce: discovered this recently, it helps :) | 16:49 |
Acce | hmm.. connection agent gives me nothing, connman gives "Failed to set regulatory domain" | 16:49 |
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mfulz | does anyone has the issue with the latest update, that sms are not saved when received? | 16:50 |
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mfulz | I see them received and when I want to access them they're gone | 16:50 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | Acce: weired | 16:51 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | mfulz: strange | 16:51 |
mfulz | yep | 16:52 |
mfulz | where are the sms stored normally? | 16:52 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | in tracker store IIRC | 16:52 |
mfulz | tracker store? | 16:52 |
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mfulz | can I reset that somhow? | 16:55 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | mfulz: like the tracker used in gnome | 16:55 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a bit strange and I don't know this well | 16:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | let's try this | 16:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | mfulz: can you run devel-su --privileged in your terminal ? | 16:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | and go "root" | 16:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | (privileged user) | 16:56 |
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mfulz | ok | 16:57 |
mfulz | cat: /proc/881/environ: Permission denied | 16:57 |
mfulz | but I'm privileged now | 16:57 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | np | 16:57 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | killall jolla-messages | 16:58 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | followed by jolla-messages | 16:58 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | send me the output | 16:58 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | (please use a pastebin like paste.kde.org) | 16:58 |
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mfulz | sure | 16:59 |
mfulz | http://pastebin.com/5FmQ3FA4 | 17:00 |
mfulz | looks not like there is an issue | 17:00 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | mfulz: are sms back ? | 17:01 |
mfulz | not the one I'm lost | 17:01 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | You mean you just lost one SMS ? | 17:01 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | try send another one plz | 17:01 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | keeping the terminal open | 17:01 |
mfulz | one = many and randomly | 17:01 |
mfulz | ok | 17:01 |
mfulz | hm need another phone :D | 17:01 |
mfulz | sec | 17:01 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | hum ... | 17:02 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | strange | 17:02 |
mfulz | ok battery empty need few minutes | 17:03 |
mfulz | yes this is really strange | 17:03 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 17:03 |
Acce | strangeness all around | 17:04 |
mfulz | http://pastebin.com/xtLgmWES | 17:07 |
mfulz | and yes the sms is gone again | 17:07 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | nothing in log ? | 17:07 |
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mfulz | this is the output - which log? | 17:08 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | the output | 17:09 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | nothing more ? | 17:09 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | : | 17:09 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 17:09 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 17:09 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't know then | 17:09 |
mfulz | nop :/ | 17:09 |
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mfulz | lol I've send another one and when trying to open it opens one of the messages which are not stored, but from a total different number .... | 17:10 |
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mfulz | perhaps the DB itself is somehow broken.... | 17:10 |
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mfulz | do you know if I can force the DB to be completely recreated without resetting the whoel phone? | 17:11 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | mfulz: I don't know sorry | 17:13 |
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mfulz | ah under .local/share/commhistory/ there is commhistory.db commhistory.db-shm and commhistory.db-wal | 17:15 |
mfulz | and commhistory.db is not written since 17th of March | 17:15 |
mfulz | ok after deleting it's recreated but still not saved sms :( | 17:20 |
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mfulz | omg I found the issue | 17:26 |
mfulz | I've bind my sd card to home | 17:26 |
mfulz | removing that and it's working | 17:26 |
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mfulz | I guess the mount-sd.sh is called later than on the version before... | 17:28 |
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mfulz | ah now I understand there is a "hack to delay mounting of sd card till tracker is started" I guess it's using the file in the homedir then binding the sd over and of course that's it then | 17:31 |
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ggabriel | getting rid of devel-su is such a nice thing | 17:47 |
ggabriel | or rather, not using it any more | 17:47 |
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Reilu-Kake | Do I have to make some adjustments before I can use btrfs SD card? It doesn't mount automatically. | 18:56 |
Reilu-Kake | And if i do, does anyone have a link for some kind of tutorial/instructions. :p | 18:56 |
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coderus | what si profit of btrfs card btw? | 19:05 |
M4rtinK | having the good feeling of testing a cutting edge technology ? :) | 19:05 |
ggabriel | Reilu-Kake: did you format it on device? | 19:05 |
ggabriel | coderus: from my humble understanding, it behaves slightly better than ext4 with flash memory | 19:06 |
ggabriel | and you get some features and stuff | 19:06 |
Reilu-Kake | No I didn't. I formatted it with gparted. :o I'll try doing it on the device | 19:06 |
ggabriel | M4rtinK has a point too :P | 19:06 |
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M4rtinK | other than that well - maybe snapshots, online partition resize & those data metadata checksums ? | 19:06 |
ggabriel | Reilu-Kake: if you formatted with a kernel >3.4, it's likely that it won't work | 19:06 |
ggabriel | ext4 has online partition resizing too | 19:07 |
M4rtinK | but I'm a bit more conservative so I'm using EXT4 on my uSD | 19:07 |
ggabriel | i'm using btrfs and it's surprisingly stable | 19:07 |
ggabriel | and quick enough too | 19:07 |
ggabriel | and my other linuxes can read it \o/ | 19:07 |
Reilu-Kake | kernel is 3.12 | 19:08 |
ggabriel | Reilu-Kake: also: formatted with gparted? sounds strange | 19:08 |
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ggabriel | Reilu-Kake: yeah, it def won't work | 19:08 |
ggabriel | bear in mind that btrfs is still in development and the format got stable recently (tm) | 19:08 |
coderus | i'm not ready to move my systems to btrfs now :) | 19:08 |
ggabriel | 3.4 is not recently | 19:08 |
ggabriel | coderus: i agree... only the jolla is on btrfs | 19:08 |
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Reilu-Kake | Ok, I will format it manually via terminal. :p | 19:08 |
ggabriel | coderus: but i have to admit that making my raid 10 a btrfs one is rather tempting | 19:08 |
ggabriel | Reilu-Kake: good luck, and be careful ;-) | 19:09 |
ggabriel | inb4: i made caldav work with yahoo, i'm very close to switching from n9 to jolla | 19:09 |
Reilu-Kake | My friend just converted his raid to btrfs and has not had a single regret. :p | 19:09 |
ggabriel | when i say "i", i mean thanks to the guys in #sync | 19:09 |
ggabriel | Reilu-Kake: with the ext4->btrfs converter? | 19:10 |
ggabriel | i want to avoid mdadm too | 19:10 |
ggabriel | i think btrfs supports that | 19:10 |
ggabriel | which means a complete migration | 19:10 |
ggabriel | i think about it and my head hurts | 19:10 |
M4rtinK | ggabriel: EXT4 is, but unless you have it on LVM I'm not sure if you can change the size of the underlying partition when it is mounted | 19:10 |
M4rtinK | ggabriel: if it is on LVM, then sure, no problem :) | 19:10 |
ggabriel | M4rtinK: agreed | 19:10 |
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ggabriel | lvm is cool to a certain extent | 19:11 |
ggabriel | another thing that i believe btrfs has | 19:11 |
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M4rtinK | ggabriel: that reminds me I should sometime see how well Sailfish supports LVM & XFS :) | 19:11 |
ggabriel | ugh | 19:11 |
ggabriel | xfs, i doubt it | 19:11 |
ggabriel | same with lvm | 19:11 |
M4rtinK | oh and iSCSI :) | 19:11 |
ggabriel | remember this is a linux kernel made in google | 19:12 |
ggabriel | also | 19:12 |
ggabriel | it doesn't even support ecdsa ;P | 19:12 |
ggabriel | i want that first tbh | 19:12 |
M4rtinK | so you can mount a iSCSI LUN and use it for LVM snapshots of LVs on your uSD card :) | 19:12 |
ggabriel | i think btrfs can achieve that | 19:12 |
M4rtinK | well, yeah | 19:13 |
M4rtinK | but I already have a mobile device that uses LVM :) | 19:13 |
ggabriel | maybe you can even do raid 0 with your emmc and a fast sd card | 19:13 |
M4rtinK | the HP TouchPad tablet :) | 19:13 |
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M4rtinK | every TouchPad has LVM by default | 19:13 |
ggabriel | what os do they run? | 19:13 |
M4rtinK | ggabriel: there was some who wanted to do that a few weeks ago | 19:14 |
ggabriel | raid 0? it's an obvious thing ;-) | 19:14 |
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M4rtinK | even to resize the existing volumes | 19:14 |
ggabriel | raid 1 is a bit safer tho | 19:14 |
M4rtinK | webOS | 19:14 |
ggabriel | ah, never had the pleasure with webos | 19:14 |
M4rtinK | works nicely, but development is pretty much dead AFAIK | 19:15 |
ggabriel | aye | 19:15 |
M4rtinK | so no apps more apps & app/OS updates | 19:15 |
ggabriel | we can't have nice things | 19:15 |
M4rtinK | so I'm mostly using it with Android for testing Android stuff | 19:15 |
ggabriel | poor tablet | 19:16 |
ggabriel | ;) | 19:16 |
* ggabriel bbl | 19:16 | |
M4rtinK | and IIRC LVM made the Android port easier as it was easy to resize the current LVS and add new ones for Android stuff :) | 19:16 |
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Reilu-Kake | Should Gallery and Media apps recognize files in SDcard automatically? | 19:24 |
Reilu-Kake | I managed to succesfully format the card to btrfs but Backup application couldn't move backups to SD card. :p | 19:24 |
M4rtinK | Reilu-Kake: they should, but there could be a delay before they can scan all new files | 19:26 |
Reilu-Kake | Ok, just checking. Copying music to the card atm hoping it will work. :p | 19:27 |
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chem|st | anyone alive who wants to debug ofono? | 19:38 |
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Reilu-Kake | Do I have to give some kind of permissions to the SD card with chmod? | 19:43 |
Reilu-Kake | I answered my own question. Now I could copy the Backup files. :p | 19:44 |
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roboro | new app in openrepos.net to allow your jolla to mount UPNP shares using djmount... | 19:52 |
roboro | just in case anyone wants to play with it | 19:52 |
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Reilu-Kake | Btw, any news on the native facebook news flow app? Is it coming or not? | 19:55 |
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intekulan | Reilu-Kake: Facebook is evil :( | 20:01 |
pdanek1 | Facebook bought Oculus Rift. | 20:02 |
flanag | at first I thought it was april fools.. | 20:02 |
flanag | had to read it from a couple of other sites to believe it | 20:03 |
flanag | damn | 20:03 |
pdanek1 | :D | 20:03 |
pdanek1 | Don't worry, Valve develops alternative product, which is supposed to be even better. | 20:04 |
pdanek1 | And I trust Valve as a company. | 20:04 |
keithzg | Facebook as a company is actually kindof . . . not terrible? I mean, they've now hired a bunch of the core btrfs devs, they still use XMPP for messaging (unlike how Google is transitioning away from it). Ironically, for a company with such evil ambitions, they kindof do things right tech-wise. | 20:04 |
flanag | pdanek1: yeah, I trust Gaben as well | 20:06 |
keithzg | I don't know at what point Facebook became the folks concerned with openness and Google became the bad guys, but that's the way it is. | 20:06 |
keithzg | flanag: Sadly Valve has no intents (so far) of releasing their own device. | 20:06 |
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keithzg | They actually shared their tech with Oculus, in fact. | 20:06 |
flanag | yup and if I remember correctly, they "gave away" something for Oculus | 20:06 |
flanag | maybe it was an important engineer? can't remember | 20:07 |
flanag | *to Oculus | 20:07 |
keithzg | I think it was just their technical improvements. | 20:07 |
flanag | I was thinking of Atman Binstock | 20:07 |
flanag | "Oculus VR, the company behind the Oculus Rift headset, today announced that it has hired Valve virtual reality veteran Atman Binstock to become its new Chief Architect. Binstock was a key player behind Valve's secret VR project, and helped create the company's "VR Room" demo that Steam Dev Days attendees got a chance to try out in January." | 20:08 |
keithzg | ah, fair enough | 20:08 |
pdanek1 | I see. | 20:08 |
keithzg | In fairness too, Valve's own solution to positional tracking involved qr-code-like stickers on walls which seems . . . inelegant, to say the least. Sadly every solution so far has kindof sucked in one way or another. | 20:09 |
flanag | it's weird to think that John Carmack is now working for Facebook | 20:10 |
keithzg | Not that I don't have a hell of a lot of fun with my gen1 dev kit. | 20:10 |
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keithzg | Well, before he was working for Zenimax. | 20:10 |
pdanek1 | The reason why Valve is not selling the device, is that it is using it internally to make Steam the go-to place for VR experiences, according to Iridium developer ‘Feep.’ | 20:10 |
flanag | keithzg: ah, yeah | 20:10 |
keithzg | At least now he's working for an evil company that's on the forefront of technology, instead of an evil company on the forefront of releasing disappointing sequels ;) | 20:10 |
pdanek1 | Valve’s VR headset device will not be sold commercially, but one developer at Iridium Studios visited the company in Seattle to try it out. In his detailed report, he claims that the peripheral is “lightyears” ahead of the original Oculus Rift device. | 20:10 |
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keithzg | "It involved sticking QR Code-like papers on the walls (so anyone visiting your home, without prior knowledge, would instantly assume you were a crazy person) so that a camera mounted on the headset could get an optical read on its own position. There was a downside (literally), though…because there were no QR codes littering the floor, looking straight down caused the system to lose its positional tracking." | 20:14 |
keithzg | Yeah, see, I can see why that, as a solution, is both great for internal testing and development of VR software, and terrible and unreleasable as a consumer product. | 20:15 |
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pp_ | egad, office mobile is now free for android | 21:11 |
* pp_ gets a sick idea | 21:11 | |
tigeli | not really _free_ | 21:15 |
tigeli | if you need o365 subscription | 21:15 |
tigeli | and not free as in beer either | 21:15 |
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pdanek | Cork vs Dublin? | 21:17 |
pp_ | probably I'm covered (not that I actually want to use that stuff :) ) | 21:17 |
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VDVsx | tigeli, not anymore it seems, free to view and present documents | 21:27 |
VDVsx | no need for 365 or whatever | 21:27 |
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tigeli | VDVsx: yy.. need to try on jolla then :D | 21:32 |
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pp_ | seems to work | 21:35 |
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pp_ | ... makes me feel dirty, tho | 21:35 |
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tigeli | pp_: puah.. it tries to open docs on onedrive in the browser :D | 21:40 |
tigeli | ok, enough, uninstalled | 21:42 |
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coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.2-6 https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu | 21:53 |
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Quu | yay :) | 21:54 |
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Quu | hmph, asks me to register again after the update | 21:57 |
Nightmare__ | me not | 21:57 |
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Quu | maybe i brainfarted something | 21:57 |
Quu | yeah, seems like it lost all settings at some point of today | 21:58 |
Quu | nnooo, not all of them | 21:59 |
Nightmare__ | my settings are all loaded correctly from 2.4 | 21:59 |
Quu | meh :) | 21:59 |
Quu | it lost contacts and register info, settings were correct | 21:59 |
Nightmare__ | strange, everything is working right for me | 22:00 |
Quu | well it tried to update to 0.2-5 and gave error about missing the whole package :p | 22:01 |
Quu | and then it installed 0.2-6 | 22:01 |
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