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Yanielugh05:18
Yanielrebooted and got my app icons shuffled05:18
Yanieland didn't even get asked for the PIN code05:18
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Yanielwtf05:46
Yaniel"these settings cannot be used without a sim card. pull down to enable sim card"05:46
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Yanieloh it actually came online after that05:48
Yanieland I apparently won the ambience deletion lottery05:49
Mnsuthat shuffling thing has happened to me also a few times, but not yet since the latest update05:49
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oh8gnzis this hunger meter showing truth.. it says for 12 hour avg 37mW06:29
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Pnuuin deep sleep, maybe06:30
oh8gnzyes, I was.. but it just feels unbelievable that phone have also been06:32
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tbr37mW is probably attainable if your phone stays in deep sleep most of the time06:33
oh8gnzit just feels really low consumption even in sleep06:34
oh8gnzmaybe there have been 1-2 phone calls and it have received few e-mail during that time06:35
oh8gnzbut mostly it has been last 12h without any use06:35
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YanielI get 2-4 days without use06:37
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oh8gnzwith my normal use it seems that it gives me about 2-3 days battery life06:39
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Quuneed to use gps/navigator daily so i get only about 9h :<06:42
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oh8gnzthat's not bad actually.. my old e7 it didn't last 500-600km with navigation without additional power06:45
Quuah well, i dont use it all the time06:47
Quuonly when i get near-ish to destination and have no idea where to go next06:47
Quui can navigate on ~50km range without gps06:48
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Reilu-KakeShould the external SD card be formatted into vfat or should it recognize btrfs automatically?06:57
Yanielbtrfs should work automatically with the latest version07:00
Reilu-KakeI'll have to look at it closer later this day. Couldn't copy backups into the SD card.07:01
Reilu-Kake"Oops, could not copy"07:01
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Yanielalso lost somehow: calendars07:34
Yaniel*all* of them07:34
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chriadamYaniel: what do you mean by lost?  and which calendars?07:38
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CoderCandy... there's one inconsistenty I really dislike in the jolla, and that's the swipe-to-minimize gesture.08:11
CoderCandyIn portrait mode it's from the long sides. In android landscape it's from the long sides08:12
CoderCandyIn native landscape it's from the short sides08:12
CoderCandyDue to the swipe edges rotate with the screen.08:13
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CoderCandyBut I've learned which edge does what, not which direction does what08:13
CoderCandySo I tend to kill the apps I have in landscape mode.08:14
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TeguCoderCandy: yea, I also tend to do that08:17
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CoderCandyI can haz settings option for this please?08:18
Tegualso the landscape only works one one side but not the other way around. this is a bit wtf. and actually I think it depends on the application.08:18
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Yanielchriadam: there are no calendars anymore08:19
Yanieland no events08:20
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chriadamYaniel: where were they synced from originally?  do they still exist remotely?08:20
Yanielexchage, yes they do08:20
chriadamok so this is an exchange sync issue, by the sounds... VDVsx any ideas?08:20
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Yanielbut neither the exchange calendar nor the phone's local calendar show up in tha calendar list08:21
Yanieland it seems email sync works08:21
chriadamYaniel: ok, the local calendar also is gone?08:21
Yanielyes08:21
chriadamif you run: devel-su -p jolla-calendar08:21
chriadamdo you see any debug logging like "cannot open mkcal calendar" or something08:21
Yanielthere is absolutely nothing in the calendar app08:21
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Yanielhuh, that brought them back :o08:23
chriadamYaniel: ok, close the app and do this instead:08:25
Yanielno calendar opening errors08:25
chriadaminvoker --type=silica-qt5 -n -d 5 -s /usr/bin/jolla-calendar08:25
chriadamare they still gone, when it's launched that way?08:26
chriadamor are they back again?08:27
Yanielno they are back08:27
chriadamhrm :-/08:27
chriadami have nfi08:27
Yanielalso when opening the app through the menu08:27
Sfiet_Konstantinlol08:27
chriadamyeah, opening through the menu just does that invoker line08:27
Sfiet_Konstantinfixed by doing nothing08:27
Sfiet_Konstantinmorning everybody08:27
chriadamSfiet_Konstantin: best kind of fix :-P08:27
Yanielclassic "run it with sudo and everything works"08:27
chriadamgmorning08:27
Sfiet_Konstantinchriadam: indeed08:28
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Nicd-flux: see you there :)08:32
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CoderCandyhmm08:38
CoderCandyStskeeps: hey, did we come up with anything about my jolla?08:38
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chem|stCoderCandy: that is what I am moaning about ever since it got introduced (gestures rotating with the app/screen)08:56
chem|stchriadam: another "works when debugging" :)08:57
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chem|stReilu-Kake: I setup btrfs with subvolumes yesterday, first thought it did not work but I was just not patient enough08:59
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sharpneliI got the sound bug again. I'll try to get some logs out before it goes away. I hope it manages to be bugged until the evening when I have time to do it09:03
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spacedentisthi jolla friends! i'm expecting to get my jolla delivered later today. i also bought a 64gb memory card and i want to initialise it now so i can start copying all my music on it. question: should i use any special parameters when using mkfs.btrfs? any parameters i should tweak to make it work optimal inside my jolla?10:03
stephgspacedentist people here have had difficulty with btrfs versions10:04
stephgyou may be better to format the card on-device rather than on computer10:04
stephg(or use ext4 ;)10:04
spacedentisthmmmm... :(10:04
spacedentistdo you know by chance what version of btrfs-tools is running on the jolla?10:04
specialbtrfs-progs-0.20rc1+git358.4-1.6.2.armv7hl10:05
Temehow can i see which fs i've got on the sdcard? :o10:09
Temei have no recollection how i initialized it10:10
Temevfat10:12
Temeseems to be supported well enough, i guess i formatted it on my windows machine :P10:12
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spacedentistoh, okay. my btrfs tools are probably newer, but also probably follow a different version numbering scheme, because they are 3.12 (debian testing), but the older debian stable had 0.19+2012032810:14
Temeis there something to be gained by switching to btrfs or whatever?10:14
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Temeand i'm using windows to transfer files directly to sdcard so would it still be supported..10:14
spacedentistTeme: btrfs has lots of nice features. i'm not sure how relevant they are for a phone, but generally it's considered to become the next linux standard filesystem, competing with zfs in the bsd world.10:14
Temeaha, that clears it a bit10:15
spacedentistit's got like fs-internal replication (raid-like), copy-on-write, snapshots,...10:15
spacedentistit's really quite nice. it's been around for a few years, but it takes time to become solid and stable.10:15
spacedentistmight be ready for general use now.10:15
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Temewelp, i'm quite tightly coupled with windows at the moment and i guess btrfs support does not come out of the box there ;)10:17
Almindorhow do you do a screenshot?10:17
TemeAlmindor: screenshot app?10:18
Almindorof your app I mean10:18
Almindorow it has a delay10:19
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stephgthey have a delay10:20
Temewould not be a very useful screenshot app if it could only screenshot itself :)10:21
Anarkyspacedentist: what about f2fs?10:24
Anarkymight be better for a sdcard10:24
spacedentistAnarky: never heard of that one? does sailfish come with support for it?10:25
AnarkyI don't know about the support on Sailfish (I don't have a Jolla phone)10:26
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Nightmare__did someone notice that bug: when i try to save a picture from browser window, it's saved without the file extension10:35
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coderusMitakuuluu update v0.2-4. Major bugfixies included.11:28
coderusNightmare__: known bug for me11:28
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Nightmare__i found it on t.j.c11:30
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EyeaJolla )olla joy14:41
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Eyealong live )olla14:42
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Eyeajolla14:45
oh8gnzhmm..14:46
oh8gnzmy jolla made now something that it haven't done before14:46
oh8gnzI couldn't receive any phone calls or call with phone14:46
oh8gnzit showed that there is network but couldn't call.. after reboot everything works fine14:47
oh8gnzalso 2g/3g connections where down and text messages didn't work14:48
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oh8gnznever done this before14:48
Pnuudid you grab the logs?14:48
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netzviehhmm. when I open http://tryad.org/ogg/Tryad_-_Listen.ogg with the Jolla everything's fine. if I change the URL to http://tryad.org/ogg/Tryad_-_Struttin.ogg (same tab) it won't play until I move the thingy back to 0:01. if i pull it back to 0:00 it won't play either. On desktop ff that just works fine.14:48
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oh8gnzhmm.. damn me..14:58
oh8gnzwonder if those logs are still available14:58
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oh8gnzin which logfile it would be if it's still available15:00
oh8gnzin /var/log/?15:00
PnuuI guess journalctl might have shown something15:01
Pnuuand I thinkg the logs are not persistent by default15:01
ggabrielthey aren't15:02
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thargorHi all, I've a problem with enabling developer mode. After ~70% of installation the enabling aborts and I have the following error: "package jolla-developer-mode not found in store". Does anybody had this problem too or any idea on how to solve?15:14
ggabrielthargor: can you access the store? what sailfish version are you on?15:14
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Nightmare__some had the same problem a few days agao, don't kno how he fixed it15:15
thargoryes I'm able to access the store and version 1.4.215:15
ggabrieli'd check tjc then to see if anybody documented it there...15:17
thargorsorry 1.0.4.2015:17
thargordidn't found anything similar on tjc15:17
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oh8gnzPnuu: if that occures again.. I have to then dry to remember take logfile15:17
thargortherefore I thought to ask here before post on tjc15:17
ggabrielthargor: fair enough... i'd also check journalctl to see if there is anything obvious there15:18
ggabrielbut you do'nt have dev mode to do that :)15:18
Pnuuthargor: I can check if there's something in the logs15:18
Pnuuthat is, I'll check the irc logs :-)15:18
thargorquiet a problem to check logs without dev mode ;-)15:18
ggabrielthargor: you're on wlan?15:19
thargordoes anybody know an app which shows the logfiles ;-)15:19
thargoryes15:19
thargorpnuu it could be that it was me with the same problem some days ago... was not able to solve it until now ;-)15:20
Nightmare__yeah, i checked, it was you :D15:20
Pnuucrazy_imp had also that kind of problems, he went for resetting the device to sort things out15:21
thargorin which logfile could I find more info? probably I'm able to open with filebrowser15:21
thargorI know that resetting the device could be a solution but I'm interested to find the source of the problem ;-)15:21
Pnuubut yeah, it seems that you were the latest one :-)15:22
ggabrielthargor: logs aren't in a log file unfortunately15:22
Pnuuthargor: did you check also "developer updates"?15:22
thargorno logfile written to disk during app installation :-(15:22
thargorno15:23
Pnuugood15:23
Pnuubut well, it's not that then..15:23
thargornext try tomorrow or today evening ;-) I really have to go now15:28
thargorand enjoy the sun a little bit and drink a beer15:28
thargorbut in the meanwhile thanks a log15:28
thargorlot15:28
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spacedentistgot my jolla phone today! \o/16:04
spacedentistis anyone working on a debian based packaging of or for sailfish? have you guys heard anything?16:04
Stskeepsno. it's a rpm based system16:05
spacedentistyeah i know. but it would be possible to create a debian-base distribution of it. just wondering if someone is doing that already.16:06
Stskeepspossible but a huge amount of work16:06
AL13N_workwhy in gods name would anyone want to do that?16:06
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StskeepsAL13N_work: it happens to every non-debian mobile system16:06
spacedentistbecause rpm packaging is pain, whereas debian is well-engineered.16:06
AL13N_workStskeeps: hardware you mean?16:06
AL13N_workspacedentist: oh plz16:06
PnuuI'll get my popcorn16:06
AL13N_workspacedentist: don't start with me16:06
* TheBootroo_work sits comfortably16:06
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spacedentisti'm doing or have done both in my work, and rpm makes me cry.16:07
* Acce gets ready for the show16:07
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AL13N_worki'm doing and have done both in my work, and deb makes me cry16:07
TheBootroo_workstarting in 3, 2, 1....16:07
Eztranit already did, why are you counting? :P16:07
TheBootroo_workEztran: the real show16:07
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TheBootroo_workthe mega-troll16:08
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spacedentistyeah i guess. that's probably the reason why both redhat and debian both exist. some like one, some like the other. hence my question if anyone is already working on bringing debs to the sailfish world.16:08
phaeronthere's this nice tool called alien16:08
TheBootroo_workwell, i propose throwing deb and rpm, and use Arch linux PKGBUILD to build apps from source directly on the phone !16:08
Stskeepswake me up when debian mobile is done16:08
* Stskeeps goes back to sleep16:08
AL13N_workit's done for me, any more mention i can just ignore16:09
TheBootroo_workAL13N_work: hehe16:09
spacedentistso i guess the answer then is no, you haven't heard of such a project.16:09
spacedentistthat's all i wanted to know.16:09
TheBootroo_workno one laughed at my joke16:09
ln-spacedentist: that's somehow analogous to bringing steaks and bacon to the vegetarian world.16:09
spacedentist?16:09
TheBootroo_workln-: XD16:09
AL13N_workTheBootroo_work: why would i, i have already a build chroot on the phone16:10
dwangoACTheBootroo_work: I was afraid you were serious :)16:10
netzviehln-: well you end up with veggie steak and veggie bacon16:10
TheBootroo_workvegetarian is an old indian word that means "bad hunter"16:10
Nightmare__:D16:10
TheBootroo_workdwangoAC: \o/  why not ?16:10
Pnuu:-D16:10
netzviehln-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian_bacon16:11
TheBootroo_workveggie steak or bacon is just like trying to acheive hallal pork : stupid and impossbile16:11
TheBootroo_workomfg, dafuq i just read16:12
TheBootroo_work"Vegetarian bacon is also easy to make at home by marinating strips of tempeh or tofu in various spices and then deep frying"16:12
TheBootroo_workmust.not.eat.that.ever.16:12
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Eztran'also referred to as fakon' -- the only term for it, obviously.16:12
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Eztran'This bacon-related article is a stub.' Hang on, bacon-related is actually a thing on Wikipedia? That's amazing.16:13
ggabrielre package system: you are all wrong, we should all use ebuilds and compile on device with -O316:13
PnuuEztran: should be: bacon-unrelated16:14
ggabrielre vegetarianism: a) it's bad for you; b) TIL that vegetarian=bad hunter :P16:14
Eztran:D16:14
Pnuuor unbacon-related16:14
TheBootroo_workggabriel: PKGBUILD is superior to ebuild16:14
TheBootroo_work(another cool troll !!!)16:14
ggabrielTheBootroo_work: that cannot be true for I use ebuild16:14
TheBootroo_workggabriel: oh well, i see, my argument is invalid16:14
Eztraneveryone knows that the system you use is superior. First rule of argument, surely.16:14
ggabrielwell, I use obsd too16:15
ggabrieltheir build system is superior too16:15
ggabrieloh, crap, I've just contradicted myself16:15
netzviehwell why packaging at all?16:15
TheBootroo_workMIND = BLOWN;16:15
Sfiet_Konstantinhum16:15
Sfiet_KonstantinRPM is the best ?16:15
ggabrielsorry spacedentist, but the serious answer to your question is that nobody is working on that :)16:15
Sfiet_Konstantin:D16:15
Sfiet_Konstantin[/troll]16:15
ggabriel[that we know of]16:15
TheBootroo_worknetzvieh: +1, just throws the sources where you want and let the phone do what it wants with it16:15
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ggabrielnetzvieh: agree... complete freedom16:16
Eztranbest mobile solution ever.16:16
ggabriellet's execute sed from /tmp/bin16:16
TheBootroo_workinstalling an app from source : 2hours compilation on an ARM cpu16:16
AL13N_worki can understand someone wanting to put a debian system on a device, but i cannot understand forking of a distro just to put rpm to deb... it's just not gonna work especially with the closed source parts, i mean, if you redo those, it's a new OS really16:16
TheBootroo_workggabriel: oh yeah :16:16
AL13N_workif they want to, they can fork mer first, then redo all the nemo work and then all of the GUI16:17
TheBootroo_worklemme rename /usr/bin to /UsefulPrograms   because that's cool16:17
AL13N_workpeople who waste time on that shit are just stupid16:17
ggabrielTheBootroo_work: you forgot a space there, spaces are nice because they separate words16:17
TheBootroo_workyep16:17
EztranTheBootroo_work: thank you, you made me physically shudder.16:17
ggabrielAL13N_work: i can see why there are different opinions, but like Stskeeps said, too much work16:17
TheBootroo_workbut i also want to replace space with @ everywhere because it's a beautiful char16:18
TheBootroo_workNow@I'll@Write@Like@This16:18
kimmoli you forgot to translate/localization of folder names16:18
TheBootroo_work@Not@More@Annoying@Than@Hashtags16:18
AL13N_workimho distro's are like the right tool for the right job, i have nothing against both deb or rpm, just don't waste all your time on stupid trivial stuff, when there's so much upstream stuff that needs to be done16:18
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ggabrielAL13N_work: i personally find it strange that at least gentoo and debian have a freebsd flavour16:19
Pnuukimmoli: /hyvät softat/ajettavat tiedostot/16:19
ggabrieli never tried it tho16:19
TheBootroo_workkimmoli: oh yeah16:19
dunparch linux is nice16:19
ggabrieli do like certain things of gentoo though (python/ruby/java/etc selection, package configuration, etc)16:19
kimmoli'/home '/koti16:19
AL13N_workggabriel: why does everything needs to be linuxified or rather debiani-fied16:19
TheBootroo_workfull unicode paths !!16:19
AL13N_workthose people should just work on debian core a bit more and do more QA so that my debian servers don't break16:20
AL13N_workand do some security checks, cause there's like security crap everyday16:20
ggabrielAL13N_work: i agree16:20
TheBootroo_work'/WeDoEv3verTheFuckWeWan@t#$µ%P""{{//\d*\w{1,3}/16:20
ggabrielAL13N_work: but i'd also want to try first before speaking16:20
AL13N_workthis all just pisses me off, there's so much to do in so little time and people are wasting it on crap like this16:20
AL13N_workggabriel: you haven't used debian before?16:21
ggabrielAL13N_work: yes, i don't like debian, so i don't want to give comments as they are biased16:21
AL13N_workdebian can be good for specific things16:21
AL13N_workit has some good elements16:21
ggabrielTheBootroo_work: you forgot to mention that that approach adds security by obscurity16:22
AL13N_workimho all comment is biased, if not, you're a newsreporter or something (and even then)16:22
ggabrielAL13N_work: fair enough, i won't try it tho :) if anything, i'll try gentoo's freebsd for the sake of it16:22
TheBootroo_workggabriel: yes, but the risk is that you lose yourself more than the eventual hacket16:22
TheBootroo_work*hacker16:22
AL13N_workthe only truly unbiased people are politicians, since they need to switch to the other side whenever it suits them16:22
TheBootroo_workAL13N_work: sorry to break a dream, but reporters (and bloggers) ARE biaised16:23
AL13N_workTheBootroo_work: i know, though they should be16:23
* ggabriel unsure about whether the trolling stopped or not :P16:23
TheBootroo_workggabriel: trolling never stops16:23
AL13N_worki'm not trolling, i was venting my anger for stupids waste of time16:23
TheBootroo_workbut trolling is made of reality parts16:24
AL13N_worklol16:24
ggabrielwe should all use java and be done with it16:24
ggabrieldrop your jar wherevre you want it16:24
TheBootroo_workggabriel: android does that16:24
TheBootroo_workno we must find something more ... weird16:25
ggabriel;-)16:25
Accehow about lisp16:25
* kimmoli has opinion... but keeps it silent16:25
ggabrielwhatever happened with custom installation programs that allowed multiple diskettes?16:25
Pnuuwhitespace16:25
kimmoliAPL16:25
TheBootroo_worklet's all use Visual basic 4 as a dev langage, and drop sources all over the disk16:25
TheBootroo_workPnuu: that's a nice langage16:25
ggabrielno, we should all use a hypervisor and dedicate one OS per application16:26
TheBootroo_workPnuu: but be carefull when typing it in HTML form ;-)16:26
ggabrielthat way, the application will come as an image16:26
ggabrieland no need of package system is required16:26
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo_work: no, let's do HTML5 and JS instead16:26
Accewhere is oracle's java OS which runs Java code natively?16:26
TheBootroo_workSfiet_Konstantin: tizen ?16:26
TheBootroo_workfirfox OS ?16:26
Sfiet_Konstantinyes, indeed16:26
Sfiet_Konstantinbut HTML5 and JS are way better interpreted languages than VB416:26
TheBootroo_workwhat about a COBOL langage ?16:26
TheBootroo_workof RPG400 XD16:27
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TheBootroo_workwould be nice16:27
TheBootroo_work... NOT16:27
Sfiet_KonstantinI would love COBOL16:27
Sfiet_Konstantin(not)16:27
TheBootroo_workOMG16:27
kimmoliwhat is that ?16:27
TheBootroo_workyou scared the sh** outta me16:27
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe only 3 davs on the planet would say what I just said16:27
TheBootroo_workkimmoli: you better not know16:27
Sfiet_Konstantindevs*16:27
PnuuTheBootroo_work: C with GUI implemented in embedded whitespace16:28
ggabrielSfiet_Konstantin: i doubt it... they are pretty well rated actually16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinggabriel: indeed, people who knows COBOL are well paid16:28
ggabrielbanks still need them (cobol)16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinbut people who likes COBOL are not that many (I think) :D16:28
Sfiet_Konstantinknow != like :D16:28
TheBootroo_workyeo16:28
Eztranof course, you have to pay them more due to the rarity of someone who likes working with COBOL.16:28
TheBootroo_worki actually know COBOL16:28
kimmolii like Pascal16:28
TheBootroo_workbut hate it16:28
TheBootroo_worknot payed enough compared to the PITA it is16:29
TheBootroo_workkimmoli: indeed Pascal was a very nice langage16:29
AL13N_worki like Pascal16:29
Sfiet_Konstantinhehe16:29
kimmolithat was 2nd after C64 basic16:29
Sfiet_KonstantinI don't like Pascal16:29
kimmolii had to learn16:29
Sfiet_Konstantineven if it looks rather nice16:29
Sfiet_Konstantin(rather)16:29
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm all C derived languages (un)fortunately16:29
AL13N_worki like that when you get pascal stuff to compile most of your bugs are already gone, because of the strict & clean nature16:30
AL13N_worki also like the borland object pascal additions16:30
kimmoliOOP16:30
AcceIf Jolla was coded with ADA it would work like a rocket! explode when it crashes16:30
Pnuu:-D16:30
TheBootroo_workAcce: \o/16:30
AL13N_workAcce: lol16:30
TheBootroo_workrocket science is hard16:31
TheBootroo_workXD16:31
kimmolijust found borland pascal books with BBS phone numbers in it (no www)16:31
TheBootroo_workSfiet_Konstantin: well, what about D ?16:31
AL13N_workkimmoli haha16:31
AL13N_workkimmoli: most people here probably donno what BBS is16:31
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo_work: never tried D, but looks rather nice16:31
kimmolii have made one with Pascal o/16:31
kimmoliErlang ?16:32
TheBootroo_workkimmoli: er...NO16:32
Pnuuerlang looks.. nifty16:32
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo_work: actually was more thinking about developing my own C++/Java mix (see http://sfietkonstantin.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/thoughts-and-experiments-c/)16:32
AL13N_worki don't like idealists16:32
AL13N_workand i don't like idealist languages16:32
TheBootroo_workSfiet_Konstantin: oh, you too16:32
TheBootroo_worki was thinking about a new langage concept these days;16:33
kimmoliwould it be called "sfik"  ?16:33
TheBootroo_workthe concept is : easy for the dev, nice with the parser too !16:33
AL13N_workthis includes (everything is an object; everything is a function)16:33
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo_work: exists: python16:33
Sfiet_KonstantinAL13N_work: sounds JS (this implies D:)16:33
TheBootroo_workSfiet_Konstantin: not really16:33
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo_work: not really ?16:33
Sfiet_KonstantinPython is rather easy to write and parse16:34
TheBootroo_worki don't find python nice for the dev16:34
kimmolii started to use perl, then transitioned to python in middle, and then i didn't get anything working16:34
Sfiet_Konstantinreally ? IMO it is very clean and not too verbose16:34
Sfiet_Konstantinkimmoli: perl D:16:34
AL13N_worki like pascal because it has both top-down and OOP and asm inline16:34
TheBootroo_workD:16:34
TheBootroo_workAL13N_work: actually my idea is everything is an object, including classes and functions16:35
kimmolii have to revive my apl 'skills' someday16:35
AL13N_workTheBootroo_work: i've already written you down16:35
TheBootroo_workand everything is strictly typed16:35
AL13N_work:-)16:35
AL13N_work(as an idealist, i mean)16:36
TheBootroo_workhehe16:36
TheBootroo_workbe careful16:36
TheBootroo_worki'm a furious and skilled idealist, the worst kind16:36
AL13N_workwhen you start with "everything is..." <--- idealism16:36
TheBootroo_workthat mean i'll take the time i need but i'll do it16:36
* AL13N_work is pragmatical16:36
AL13N_workhehe16:36
AL13N_workstrict types is good though16:37
AL13N_work(as long as you have a workaround :-) )16:37
Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo_work: functions as objects either sounds functor or weired16:38
ggabrielyou guys... prolog is the future16:38
TheBootroo_workAL13N_work: if you have workaround, you gonna have a bad time16:38
ggabrielwhen will we have sailfish running in prolog?16:38
* kimmoli hits the road ... life←{↑1 ⍵∨.∧3 4=+/,¯1 0 1∘.⊖¯1 0 1∘.⌽⊂⍵}16:38
AL13N_worklol16:38
TheBootroo_workggabriel: ppp-p-pprolog ??! please, don't !16:38
AL13N_workwhat about RPG?16:39
ggabrielit's the best16:39
ggabrielAL13N_work: is that a weapon? :P16:39
TheBootroo_workAL13N_work: already proposed16:39
AL13N_workoh, missed it16:39
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat about ASM, simple, basic, not portable, nothing16:39
TheBootroo_workSfiet_Konstantin: XD16:39
AL13N_workgimme inline asm anyway :-)16:39
Pnuurocket propelled Gnu16:39
ggabrielSfiet_Konstantin: lots of fun16:39
AcceStskeeps: my wlan is somehow frozen.. log says a lot of "lipstick: Unable to open /proc/1529/oom_score_adj for writing" when I try to enable/disable stored networks16:39
AL13N_workMOV EAX,[SI+4]16:40
StskeepsAcce: n4?16:40
Stskeepsor jolla16:40
AcceJolla16:40
Sfiet_KonstantinAfter being the welcome bot, Stskeeps is now the bugreport bot16:40
Stskeeps:P16:40
StskeepsAcce: log is fine, fwiw16:40
TheBootroo_workwell guys, have to go16:40
TheBootroo_workback tomorow16:40
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AcceStskeeps: hmm, anything else I could check? It probably will be fixed by reboot though16:41
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StskeepsAcce: not offhand16:42
ggabrielAcce: i assume "frozen" means you can't even switch it off from settings?16:43
Acceggabriel: I can switch it on and off, but I cannot disable stored networks and scanning doesn't work when "connect to internet"16:43
Acceand, of course, it doesn't connect to anything16:44
ggabrielno idea... never happened to me16:44
Sfiet_KonstantinAcce: reboot ?16:44
Sfiet_Konstantinand maybe journactl ?16:44
AcceSfiet_Konstantin: yes, just thought there might be something to find out why this happened before rebooting..16:45
Accewhat should I grep journal for? connman?16:45
Sfiet_KonstantinAcce: connman, connectionagent16:45
Sfiet_KonstantinAcce: you can invoke journactl /usr/bin/connectionagent16:45
Acceah, didn't know that, thanks16:46
Sfiet_KonstantinAcce: discovered this recently, it helps :)16:49
Accehmm.. connection agent gives me nothing, connman gives "Failed to set regulatory domain"16:49
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mfulzdoes anyone has the issue with the latest update, that sms are not saved when received?16:50
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mfulzI see them received and when I want to access them they're gone16:50
Sfiet_KonstantinAcce: weired16:51
Sfiet_Konstantinmfulz: strange16:51
mfulzyep16:52
mfulzwhere are the sms stored normally?16:52
Sfiet_Konstantinin tracker store IIRC16:52
mfulztracker store?16:52
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mfulzcan I reset that somhow?16:55
Sfiet_Konstantinmfulz: like the tracker used in gnome16:55
Sfiet_Konstantinit is a bit strange and I don't know this well16:56
Sfiet_Konstantinlet's try this16:56
Sfiet_Konstantinmfulz: can you run devel-su --privileged in your terminal ?16:56
Sfiet_Konstantinand go "root"16:56
Sfiet_Konstantin(privileged user)16:56
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mfulzok16:57
mfulzcat: /proc/881/environ: Permission denied16:57
mfulzbut I'm privileged now16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinnp16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinkillall jolla-messages16:58
Sfiet_Konstantinfollowed by jolla-messages16:58
Sfiet_Konstantinsend me the output16:58
Sfiet_Konstantin(please use a pastebin like paste.kde.org)16:58
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mfulzsure16:59
mfulzhttp://pastebin.com/5FmQ3FA417:00
mfulzlooks not like there is an issue17:00
Sfiet_Konstantinmfulz: are sms back ?17:01
mfulznot the one I'm lost17:01
Sfiet_KonstantinYou mean you just lost one SMS ?17:01
Sfiet_Konstantintry send another one plz17:01
Sfiet_Konstantinkeeping the terminal open17:01
mfulzone = many and randomly17:01
mfulzok17:01
mfulzhm need another phone :D17:01
mfulzsec17:01
Sfiet_Konstantinhum ...17:02
Sfiet_Konstantinstrange17:02
mfulzok battery empty need few minutes17:03
mfulzyes this is really strange17:03
Sfiet_Konstantin...17:03
Accestrangeness all around17:04
mfulzhttp://pastebin.com/xtLgmWES17:07
mfulzand yes the sms is gone again17:07
Sfiet_Konstantinnothing in log ?17:07
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mfulzthis is the output - which log?17:08
Sfiet_Konstantinthe output17:09
Sfiet_Konstantinnothing more ?17:09
Sfiet_Konstantin:17:09
Sfiet_Konstantinok17:09
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Sfiet_Konstantin:/17:09
Sfiet_KonstantinI don't know then17:09
mfulznop :/17:09
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mfulzlol I've send another one and when trying to open it opens one of the messages which are  not stored, but from a total different number ....17:10
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mfulzperhaps the DB itself is somehow broken....17:10
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mfulzdo you know if I can force the DB to be completely recreated without resetting the whoel phone?17:11
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Sfiet_Konstantinmfulz: I don't know sorry17:13
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mfulzah under .local/share/commhistory/ there is commhistory.db commhistory.db-shm and commhistory.db-wal17:15
mfulzand commhistory.db is not written since 17th of March17:15
mfulzok after deleting it's recreated but still not saved sms :(17:20
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mfulzomg I found the issue17:26
mfulzI've bind my sd card to home17:26
mfulzremoving that and it's working17:26
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mfulzI guess the mount-sd.sh is called later than on the version before...17:28
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mfulzah now I understand there is a "hack to delay mounting of sd card till tracker is started" I guess it's using the file in the homedir then binding the sd over and of course that's it then17:31
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ggabrielgetting rid of devel-su is such a nice thing17:47
ggabrielor rather, not using it any more17:47
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Reilu-KakeDo I have to make some adjustments before I can use btrfs SD card? It doesn't mount automatically.18:56
Reilu-KakeAnd if i do, does anyone have a link for some kind of tutorial/instructions. :p18:56
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coderuswhat si profit of btrfs card btw?19:05
M4rtinKhaving the good feeling of testing a cutting edge technology ? :)19:05
ggabrielReilu-Kake: did you format it on device?19:05
ggabrielcoderus: from my humble understanding, it behaves slightly better than ext4 with flash memory19:06
ggabrieland you get some features and stuff19:06
Reilu-KakeNo I didn't. I formatted it with gparted. :o I'll try doing it on the device19:06
ggabrielM4rtinK has a point too :P19:06
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M4rtinKother than that well - maybe snapshots, online partition resize & those data metadata checksums ?19:06
ggabrielReilu-Kake: if you formatted with a kernel >3.4, it's likely that it won't work19:06
ggabrielext4 has online partition resizing too19:07
M4rtinKbut I'm a bit more conservative so I'm using EXT4 on my uSD19:07
ggabrieli'm using btrfs and it's surprisingly stable19:07
ggabrieland quick enough too19:07
ggabrieland my other linuxes can read it \o/19:07
Reilu-Kakekernel is 3.1219:08
ggabrielReilu-Kake: also: formatted with gparted? sounds strange19:08
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ggabrielReilu-Kake: yeah, it def won't work19:08
ggabrielbear in mind that btrfs is still in development and the format got stable recently (tm)19:08
coderusi'm not ready to move my systems to btrfs now :)19:08
ggabriel3.4 is not recently19:08
ggabrielcoderus: i agree... only the jolla is on btrfs19:08
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Reilu-KakeOk, I will format it manually via terminal. :p19:08
ggabrielcoderus: but i have to admit that making my raid 10 a btrfs one is rather tempting19:08
ggabrielReilu-Kake: good luck, and be careful ;-)19:09
ggabrielinb4: i made caldav work with yahoo, i'm very close to switching from n9 to jolla19:09
Reilu-KakeMy friend just converted his raid to btrfs and has not had a single regret. :p19:09
ggabrielwhen i say "i", i mean thanks to the guys in #sync19:09
ggabrielReilu-Kake: with the ext4->btrfs converter?19:10
ggabrieli want to avoid mdadm too19:10
ggabrieli think btrfs supports that19:10
ggabrielwhich means a complete migration19:10
ggabrieli think about it and my head hurts19:10
M4rtinKggabriel: EXT4 is, but unless you have it on LVM I'm not sure if you can change the size of the underlying partition when it is mounted19:10
M4rtinKggabriel: if it is on LVM, then sure, no problem :)19:10
ggabrielM4rtinK: agreed19:10
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ggabriellvm is cool to a certain extent19:11
ggabrielanother thing that i believe btrfs has19:11
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M4rtinKggabriel: that reminds me I should sometime see how well Sailfish supports LVM & XFS :)19:11
ggabrielugh19:11
ggabrielxfs, i doubt it19:11
ggabrielsame with lvm19:11
M4rtinKoh and iSCSI :)19:11
ggabrielremember this is a linux kernel made in google19:12
ggabrielalso19:12
ggabrielit doesn't even support ecdsa ;P19:12
ggabrieli want that first tbh19:12
M4rtinKso you can mount a iSCSI LUN and use it for LVM snapshots of LVs on your uSD card :)19:12
ggabrieli think btrfs can achieve that19:12
M4rtinKwell, yeah19:13
M4rtinKbut I already have a mobile device that uses LVM :)19:13
ggabrielmaybe you can even do raid 0 with your emmc and a fast sd card19:13
M4rtinKthe HP TouchPad tablet :)19:13
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M4rtinKevery TouchPad has LVM by default19:13
ggabrielwhat os do they run?19:13
M4rtinKggabriel: there was some who wanted to do that a few weeks ago19:14
ggabrielraid 0? it's an obvious thing ;-)19:14
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M4rtinKeven to resize the existing volumes19:14
ggabrielraid 1 is a bit safer tho19:14
M4rtinKwebOS19:14
ggabrielah, never had the pleasure with webos19:14
M4rtinKworks nicely, but development is pretty much dead AFAIK19:15
ggabrielaye19:15
M4rtinKso no apps more apps & app/OS updates19:15
ggabrielwe can't have nice things19:15
M4rtinKso I'm mostly using it with Android for testing Android stuff19:15
ggabrielpoor tablet19:16
ggabriel;)19:16
* ggabriel bbl19:16
M4rtinKand IIRC LVM made the Android port easier as it was easy to resize the current LVS and add new ones for Android stuff :)19:16
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Reilu-KakeShould Gallery and Media apps recognize files in SDcard automatically?19:24
Reilu-KakeI managed to succesfully format the card to btrfs but Backup application couldn't move backups to SD card. :p19:24
M4rtinKReilu-Kake: they should, but there could be a delay before they can scan all new files19:26
Reilu-KakeOk, just checking. Copying music to the card atm hoping it will work. :p19:27
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chem|stanyone alive who wants to debug ofono?19:38
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Reilu-KakeDo I have to give some kind of permissions to the SD card with chmod?19:43
Reilu-KakeI answered my own question. Now I could copy the Backup files. :p19:44
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roboronew app in openrepos.net to allow your jolla to mount UPNP shares using djmount...19:52
roborojust in case anyone wants to play with it19:52
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Reilu-KakeBtw, any news on the native facebook news flow app? Is it coming or not?19:55
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intekulanReilu-Kake: Facebook is evil :(20:01
pdanek1Facebook bought Oculus Rift.20:02
flanagat first I thought it was april fools..20:02
flanaghad to read it from a couple of other sites to believe it20:03
flanagdamn20:03
pdanek1:D20:03
pdanek1Don't worry, Valve develops alternative product, which is supposed to be even better.20:04
pdanek1And I trust Valve as a company.20:04
keithzgFacebook as a company is actually kindof . . . not terrible? I mean, they've now hired a bunch of the core btrfs devs, they still use XMPP for messaging (unlike how Google is transitioning away from it). Ironically, for a company with such evil ambitions, they kindof do things right tech-wise.20:04
flanagpdanek1: yeah, I trust Gaben as well20:06
keithzgI don't know at what point Facebook became the folks concerned with openness and Google became the bad guys, but that's the way it is.20:06
keithzgflanag: Sadly Valve has no intents (so far) of releasing their own device.20:06
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keithzgThey actually shared their tech with Oculus, in fact.20:06
flanagyup and if I remember correctly, they "gave away" something for Oculus20:06
flanagmaybe it was an important engineer? can't remember20:07
flanag*to Oculus20:07
keithzgI think it was just their technical improvements.20:07
flanagI was thinking of Atman Binstock20:07
flanag"Oculus VR, the company behind the Oculus Rift headset, today announced that it has hired Valve virtual reality veteran Atman Binstock to become its new Chief Architect. Binstock was a key player behind Valve's secret VR project, and helped create the company's "VR Room" demo that Steam Dev Days attendees got a chance to try out in January."20:08
keithzgah, fair enough20:08
pdanek1I see.20:08
keithzgIn fairness too, Valve's own solution to positional tracking involved qr-code-like stickers on walls which seems . . . inelegant, to say the least. Sadly every solution so far has kindof sucked in one way or another.20:09
flanagit's weird to think that John Carmack is now working for Facebook20:10
keithzgNot that I don't have a hell of a lot of fun with my gen1 dev kit.20:10
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keithzgWell, before he was working for Zenimax.20:10
pdanek1The reason why Valve is not selling the device, is that it is using it  internally to make Steam the go-to place for VR experiences, according  to Iridium developer ‘Feep.’20:10
flanagkeithzg: ah, yeah20:10
keithzgAt least now he's working for an evil company that's on the forefront of technology, instead of an evil company on the forefront of releasing disappointing sequels ;)20:10
pdanek1Valve’s VR headset device will not be sold commercially, but one  developer at Iridium Studios visited the company in Seattle to try it  out. In his detailed report, he claims that the peripheral is  “lightyears” ahead of the original Oculus Rift device.20:10
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keithzg"It involved sticking QR Code-like papers on the walls (so anyone visiting your home, without prior knowledge, would instantly assume you were a crazy person) so that a camera mounted on the headset could get an optical read on its own position. There was a downside (literally), though…because there were no QR codes littering the floor, looking straight down caused the system to lose its positional tracking."20:14
keithzgYeah, see, I can see why that, as a solution, is both great for internal testing and development of VR software, and terrible and unreleasable as a consumer product.20:15
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pp_egad, office mobile is now free for android21:11
* pp_ gets a sick idea21:11
tigelinot really _free_21:15
tigeliif you need o365 subscription21:15
tigeliand not free as in beer either21:15
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pdanekCork vs Dublin?21:17
pp_probably I'm covered (not that I actually want to use that stuff :) )21:17
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VDVsxtigeli, not anymore it seems, free to view and present documents21:27
VDVsxno need for 365 or whatever21:27
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tigeliVDVsx: yy.. need to try on jolla then :D21:32
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pp_seems to work21:35
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pp_... makes me feel dirty, tho21:35
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tigelipp_: puah.. it tries to open docs on onedrive in the browser :D21:40
tigeliok, enough, uninstalled21:42
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.2-6 https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu21:53
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Quuyay :)21:54
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Quuhmph, asks me to register again after the update21:57
Nightmare__me not21:57
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Quumaybe i brainfarted something21:57
Quuyeah, seems like it lost all settings at some point of today21:58
Quunnooo, not all of them21:59
Nightmare__my settings are all loaded correctly from 2.421:59
Quumeh :)21:59
Quuit lost contacts and register info, settings were correct21:59
Nightmare__strange, everything is working right for me22:00
Quuwell it tried to update to 0.2-5 and gave error about missing the whole package :p22:01
Quuand then it installed 0.2-622:01
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