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arhm05:47
aropenssl version on Jolla is 1.0.1f. when can we expect an upgrade?05:47
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raa79https://together.jolla.com/question/38086/urgent-bugfix-serious-vulnerability-jolla-please-update-openssl-lib/05:48
saltsa_:D05:50
ar> Actually, the heartbleed bug isn't very likely to leak much of value. The attacker need quite a bit of luck with a LOT of analysis in the raw 64KiB blocks returned.05:50
arthe person who wrote that has no idea05:50
ari mean, i have two exploits for that bug on my laptop, and i've been able to extract x509 private keys and usernames and passwords from a few sites i tried it on.05:52
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Siddear: indeed05:52
Siddear: i have extracted a lot of cookies in the scripts i've downloaded for example05:53
arand a friend of mine has a working POC server extracting stuff from client memory05:54
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Pnuuhttp://xkcd.com/1353/08:04
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ggabrielo/09:28
ggabrielok, i'm abroad, changed timezone, the jolla hasn't updated the time yet (since yesterday)09:29
ggabrielit won't do it, will it? :)09:29
phdeswerggabriel: well you changed the timezone, thus overriding the timezone recieved from the network...09:31
phdeswerIf you had left it alone it would have done the right thing.09:31
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ottuloyup, jolla does change the time zone automatically if you let it09:32
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ggabrielphdeswer: i meant i traveled to a different timeozne09:40
ggabrieland it didn't change it09:40
ggabrieli rebooted it and didn't change it still09:40
phdeswerggabriel: Well check if automatic time is on.09:41
ggabrielif i go to the settings and toggle off/on the auto datetime setting, it changes09:41
ggabrielyeah, it's on09:41
ggabrieli think it may be an edge case09:41
phdeswerAnd even then some operators send some wrong data...09:41
ggabrielphdeswer: let's just say that it works in the n9 :)09:41
phdeswerggabriel: which country and operator are you using now?09:41
ggabrielalso, it works if i toggle the setting09:41
ggabrielphdeswer: operator three (3)09:41
ggabrieland i traveled: uk (local) -> denmark (roaming -> sweden (roaming)09:42
ggabrielno change just yet09:42
ggabrieli switched  off auto update, switched it back on and date is fixed09:42
phdeswerEarlier this year traveled fi->swe->dk->de->be and back and it changed fine for me. Maybe some update messed up the switch setting?09:43
phdeswerBut all is good if it works now :)09:43
ggabrielphdeswer: i'm sure this is an edge case09:43
ggabrieli'll try to check the journal nad open a question09:43
ggabrieli asked this a while ago too, and some people were successful, then again, not everybody travel to different timezones09:44
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phdeswerggabriel: please do. Would be good to find if there is a bug (eventually just with the setting(09:44
ggabrielyup, i'm committing the journal to a log now, will check later09:45
ggabrielat the very least you'll have my details as to operator and countries09:45
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ggabrielphdeswer: btw, fi is in a different timezone than all the other countries that you mentioned?09:49
phdeswerWell not all timezones are different but at least fi is in a different one than se, dk, de and be09:50
ggabrielwhat do you konw. i learned something today :P09:51
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vesurivshttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/World_Time_Zones_Map.png10:01
vesurivs;)10:01
ggabrielirc is much faster than browsing in my defence :P10:02
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HtheBI have a exfat formatted micro sd card10:55
HtheBhow can I mount this so that the Jolla will see the card?10:56
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stephgHtheB, exFAT isn't supported iirc10:57
stephgreformat as fat32/ext4/btrfs10:57
HtheBstephg: I've read that you can just install the 'drivers'10:57
HtheBhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1408186&postcount=1410:57
HtheBI've installed fuse-exfat and exfat-utils10:58
HtheBbut, what next?10:58
stephgif the kernel has fuse support you should just be able to load the module and manually mount the fs10:59
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HtheBdoes the jolla support fuse?11:00
HtheBit seems like it does11:00
HtheBbut how can I load the module and mount the card? this is where I stumble on11:01
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Yanielmodprobe & mount11:54
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stephg^ that12:20
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* HtheB is n00b :)12:30
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Yanielext4 might be a good idea though as that doesn't require any setup on the jolla12:46
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stephg^also that12:50
stephg(is what I run, but then I don't have to share the card with windows or mac)12:51
YanielI went for btrfs  but that has the downside that you need to do the formatting on the jolla12:51
Yanieland it most likely won't work as-is with anything else12:52
Yaniel(then again it serves just as a mirror of my music HDD so far so there is hardly anything to lose)12:52
fluxas far as I know btrfs folks don't suggest running it on anything that doesn't support write barries. I wonder if sdcards do.12:52
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HtheBI just wanted to use my Jolla as a "micro sd card  reader", as I don't have an adapter right now with me. and the microsd itself is exfat formatted...13:20
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Nicd-doesn't exfat need licensing?13:21
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ballockNicd-: it's patented, but afaik not in EU13:23
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goroboroHtheB: did you work out how to do the mount?13:50
HtheBnop13:51
HtheBmount /dev/ something?13:51
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goroboroyeah... you need to work out what device name your sdcard has been allocated13:51
goroboromost likely: /dev/mmcblk1p113:52
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goroboroso then... I'm not 100% sure... since I haven't used fust-exfat... but your command would me something like:13:53
goroboromount -t fuse.exfat /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt13:53
goroboroor something along those lines13:53
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goroboroyou probably need to do a mount like that as root13:54
goroboroso I am presuming you have done devel-su first13:54
goroboroand have developer mode enabled13:55
goroboroyou might find that you can just do it as:13:55
goroboromount -t exfat /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt13:55
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goroboroof course... you would traditionally create a directory like /media/exfat and moutn it there13:56
goroborothen remove the directory after you umount13:56
HtheBlet me try13:56
HtheByeah13:56
HtheBlet me create the dir13:56
HtheBthen mont it13:57
HtheBmount*13:57
goroboroyou might want to pass it the option 'allow_other' to let your nemo user access the files on it13:58
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goroboroso something like: mount -t exfat -o 'allow_other' /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt13:59
goroboroif you don't have root... I think you can use: fusermount...14:00
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HtheBdevel-su should be enough right?14:01
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goroboroyeah... that's fine14:01
goroborodevel-su is as rooty as you need to be :)14:01
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goroboroHtheB: let me know if you run into trouble14:04
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HtheBmount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat'14:08
goroborodid you try fuse.exfat ?14:08
HtheB(hang on boss is calling, I'll read the message when I'm back)14:08
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pawkywhat is the magic word to fetch a new dhcp address in jolla?14:36
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raa79reboot14:44
pawkyraa79: no... that cannot be the magic word...14:44
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pawkyI am setting things up manually here, if rebooting I have nothing again...14:44
pawkynormally you have like dhclient14:44
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goroboroI guess just disconnecting and reconnecting wifi would probably do it14:47
pawkythat is not an option if you are setting upp a wlan using wpa_supplicant manually14:48
pawkyor is it?14:48
pawkyhmm...14:48
pawkyok, where do I find the good old ifcfg files?14:52
goroboroI would guess /etc/sysconfig/network or something like that14:53
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pawkythats what I thought, exept for network being a binayr file and network-scripts being empty14:54
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goroborointeresting...14:54
pawkyit seems to differ quite a bit compared to debian or suse14:54
goroboroI did: ifconfig wlan0 down14:54
pawkywell ifconfig works14:54
goroborothen I did: ifconfig wlan0 up14:54
pawkyi just dont know where it gets the info from14:54
pawkyits not where I expect the info to be...  :-(14:55
goroborothen I went back to developer mode option in settings and the connection seemed to do its dhcp again14:55
goroborommmm me neither14:55
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pawkywell normally you state in the ifcfg file if you want dhcp... but as i cannot find these files i hav no clue how to get my manual wifi connection to use dhcp :-(14:57
pawkyit works partly when using the GUI though..14:57
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pawkyi am trying to connect to a Sony camera that uses WIFI14:59
pawkythe camera also has an android ap that uses wifi...15:00
pawkywhen connecting using the GUI you get connected and all, but the android app doesn't see this connection, which is what I am trying to debug15:00
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goroboropawky: does this help? http://xavinux.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/setting-static-ip-address-in-nemo-mobile.html15:01
goroboroI haven't looked at it... but since connmand is a service that runs on jolla... I would guess that it is responsible for all of this15:02
pawkygoroboro: aha, this gives me an idea about the structure :-)15:02
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goroborotjc really needs to work out how to allocate karma to help given in this channel :P15:03
pawkythe general question is, when can an android ap not use a wireless connection?15:03
pawkygoroboro: :-)15:03
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pawkyor, when will an android app not notice a wireless connection exists?15:03
goroboromeh... I don't actually know... for some reason... amazon kindle app always thinks that I don't have a network connection...15:03
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pawkygoroboro: hmm... sounds interesting...15:04
* CoderCandy pokes Stskeeps15:04
StskeepsCoderCandy: sorry, about to leave my 'office'15:04
goroborothe whole android thing really annoys me... its the biggest motivation I have to actually code Sailfish apps :D15:04
pawkygoroboro: you should code an Sony app :-)15:05
CoderCandyoh, Stskeeps, I was just wondering if I'm back on care script yet.15:05
goroborolol :D15:05
pawkyquite simple, it has an open API, using JSON :-D15:05
CoderCandyI don't have the energy to do out of script debugging atm.15:06
StskeepsCoderCandy: sec..15:06
pawkyi believe my perl skills will not get me that far when wanting to write jolla native apps :-(15:06
goroborommmm I don't use sony for anything... if you give me a spec etc I can maybe help15:06
goroborommmm you can probably get further than you think15:06
StskeepsCoderCandy: you're back on care script now, sorry for my lag15:06
CoderCandyNo prob, have a nice trip home :p15:07
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goroboropawky: I was all python etc before... but I'm finding straight javascript and qml not that difficult15:07
pawkygoroboro: https://developer.sony.com/develop/cameras/15:07
goroborowanna buy me a camera for testing? :P15:08
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pawkygoroboro: I believe an ap for the QX10 (the one I am playing with) would be very cool, and if creating a jolla backplane having the bayonette fitting it would be an exellent alternative to their Experia :-)15:08
pawkygoroboro: well.. they are only €12015:08
* goroboro sends pawky a delivery address :D15:09
pawkygoroboro: so if thats what it takes to sponsor a great app, well... why not15:09
pawkyas its an API for all their remote connectable cameras and such, i think writing such an ap could be profitable15:10
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goroboroindeed... if the damn jolla store would allow you to charge for your apps :P15:11
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pawkygoroboro: not yet, but later on...15:11
goroboropawky: to get an idea of how easy it is to build an app against a JSON-based web service API... see my TVHeadend Client: https://github.com/goroboro/TVHeadFish15:13
goroboroeverything you really need to know is in the qml folder15:13
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goroborothe entire thing is written in qml with a bunch of javascript functions to do the HTTP calls and to parse the JSON into a qml model15:14
pawkygoroboro: I know its easy, do you think I would ever give you a hard task to accomplish? :-D15:14
goroboroheh15:14
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goroboropawky: so at the moment you're trying to get an android app to work so that you can connect to your camera, right?15:15
pawkygoroboro: it would still take me some time to get into it all ...15:15
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pawkygoroboro: yes, :-)15:15
goroborolink to app?15:15
pawkygoroboro: but I believe it will be much more cooler to write a native one later on :-)15:15
pawkygoroboro: link to app? WIFI15:16
pawkyand i have the link up15:16
pawkywith ip and all..15:16
goroborono... can you give me a link to the app that you have installed, so I can check out how complicated it is15:16
pawkyohh..15:16
pawkygoroboro: its Sonys original app15:16
pawkyno source code :-(15:16
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pawkyits the source code you wanted, right?15:17
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pawkyits called playmemories15:17
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pawkybut you cannot see much in the app if you do not have it connected...15:17
goroboroheh15:18
goroborookay.... let me check out what you can do with it15:18
pawkygoroboro: I can tell you what you can do with it :-)15:18
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goroborohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co-U8SOvq9A15:19
goroborommmm okay15:19
pawkyyou can choose between film/video mode, you will se a low res picture to which you can point to focus, it can also use the soom15:19
pawkyzoom...15:19
pawkyand take pictures of course..15:19
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goroborosome of that stuff might be a bit of a bugger with the current gstreamer and the multimedia library15:20
pawkythe unit is really cool with optical picture stabilizer  and a 10x zoom. Much cooler than the GoPro15:20
pawkygoroboro: well... their Sony app works ok... :-)15:20
pawkycannot believe they have put to much effort into building that one...15:20
goroboroyeah... I'd need to take a deeper look at their api to see what they have on offer15:21
goroboroand of course... if I was going to build something I would need a camera to test against15:22
goroboroand a few months to find the time to play :D15:22
pawkygoroboro: yeah, that is usually the issue... the time...15:22
pawkythats why I am just as a first attempt trying to get their app to run... before digging deeper into it all15:23
goroboroso I guess right now, it would be better to work out how to get connectivity to work inside of the  android emulation15:23
pawkyright :-)15:23
pawkyany ideas how to debug it in the jolla?15:23
goroboronah... I'm not going to be much help with that stuff... the alien-dalvik stuff is beyond me15:24
goroborobut I will be more than happy to help you code the first sony camera app for sailfish when you're ready15:24
pawkyThe connection is a just a standard AP connection to the unit that gives you a DHCP IP15:24
pawkygoroboro: I will hold you to that :-)15:25
goroboroso does the jolla get the IP at sailfish level?15:25
pawkygoroboro: I see no problems sponsoring a QX10 when you have the time to program an app..15:26
pawkypawky: yes :-)15:26
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goroborookay... so problem is then discovery of the camera?15:26
pawkythis is why i do not understand why this app in particular cannot see the unit15:26
pawkyyes15:26
goroborothat uses ssdp....15:26
pawkyduh...15:26
pawkyoh.. well.. yeah, it might15:27
goroboroI wonder if there is some kind of firewalling that prevents certain connections from the android layer15:27
pawkyit looks like it.. but there is nothing in iptables... so where is that "#¤! firewall? :-)15:27
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pawkyaha, tcpdump might be my friend :-)15:28
pawkyyeah, i can see ssdp UDP requests15:29
goroborooh wow...15:29
pawkyon 239.255.255.25015:29
pawkymulticast?15:29
goroboroso those are coming from alien-dalvik... maybe it is not able to get the response15:29
goroboroyeah... would be multicast15:29
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pawkyso.. actually, the qX10 seems to send multisync ssdp messages15:30
pawkywhich obviously the app doesnt see...15:30
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pawkymaybe alien dalvik has problems with UDP and multisync?15:30
pawkyI wonder how one might test that scenario15:31
goroborommmm this is where things get tricky15:33
goroboroI don't know how to really get inside alien-dalvik and do anything15:33
goroborothis was the point at which I said alien-dalvik is beyond me15:34
pawkygoroboro: that makes us two :-(15:34
pawkyit doesn't make me wanting to give up though :-)15:34
pawkywhy isnt telnet in jolla as standard?15:35
pawkyor netcat15:35
goroboro:)15:35
goroboroI think old Nieldk has netcat in his repo... but there be dragons!15:35
goroboroat least that's how the rumour goes15:35
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pawkyok... will wait a bit with that one then ;-)15:36
pawkyso... where is one to find info on how networking works between sailfish and the alien dalvik?15:37
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* goroboro googles15:37
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* pawky googles...15:40
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goroboropawky: try stop and start the aliendalvik.service and then see if the app works15:44
pawkystephg which head?15:44
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pawkygoroboro: duh? start stop aliendalvik?15:44
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stephgmine (though about the state of lots of other colleagues heads...)15:44
pawkyi have restarted the phone several times15:44
pawkystephg: ok, as long as its your head head.. not your .... head15:45
pawky:-D15:45
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goroboroyeah... apparently there are some weird networking issues that can arise in aliendalvik even after reboot15:45
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goroborojust restarting the aliendalvik service seems to fix things for some ppl15:45
pawkygoroboro: ok... so i find this under /etc/init.d/ ?15:46
goroborosystemctl stop aliendalvik.service15:46
goroborosystemctl start aliendalvik.service15:46
pawkyit seems we init.d people will go extinct...15:47
pawkyok.. lets try it15:47
goroborommm I'm with you... old school sysV15:47
pawkynope... no better15:47
pawkystill just seeing lots of UDP ssdp15:48
pawkybut the app hasnt noticed them15:48
pawkyi believe alien dalvik filters multicast ip's...15:48
* goroboro returns to google15:48
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goroboroI am guessing that you are correct15:48
* pawky returns to google...15:48
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goroboroor else doesn't handle udp very well or something15:49
goroborowell that aliendalvik restart sorted my problem with the kindle app :D15:49
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pawkygoroboro: :-)15:50
pawkywhere does one configure the alien dalvik?15:53
pawkyis there NO information upon myriads alien dalvik and how it all works together with sailfish???15:54
stephgpawky, define 'configure'15:55
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pawkystephg: well am i not right the alien dalvik is just another JVM?15:56
pawkyand JVMs usually are configurable..15:56
stephgwell it's more than just the vm15:56
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pawkystephg: in what way?...15:57
pawkystephg: its a ting that runs java code...15:57
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goroborobrb16:00
pawky:-)16:00
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stephgpawky, well yeah but it's a bit more nuanced than that16:09
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pawkystephg: yes, the alien dalvik doesn't seem to like all kinds of IP traffic :-(17:10
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mornfallis it me, or connman is pretty much completely busted since the last update? (I have some custom VPN hacks, so it might be that... but the only way I can get a connection these days is reboot daily or connect manually all the time...)17:32
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Stskeepsit's not the happiest in 1.0.4 no17:34
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Morpog_PChmmm, 1.0.5.13 leak :D http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1420554&postcount=69417:39
flanagooh17:40
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Morpog_PCwhy would anyone wnat to disable swipe closing? :D17:41
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flanagsteph: how is your head still intact?17:43
flanagdamn *stephg17:43
stephghehe17:43
stephgI don't know17:43
stephgmy sanity is not attached however17:44
Aardpawky: there's nothing for you to configure17:49
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matokingDang18:41
matokingJust realized my phone had been offline the entire day18:41
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matokingIs it a known issue that the phone sometimes loses the connection and asks for a PIN?18:43
flanagyes18:43
flanagyour sim card holder is probably loose18:43
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Stskeepsmatoking: contact care18:44
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matokingThat's what I'm doing18:58
matokingI suppose it's not that bad if I get the few defective pixels I have fixed at the same time18:58
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cvpany infomations about Sailfish OS 1.0.5.13 (Paarlampi) ??19:33
Waiteedidnt even know the name for the update yet19:33
Aardcvp: it's not a public release19:33
cvpyes i know its not public :p19:34
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Aardthen why do you ask? :p19:34
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cvpi ask what feature is includeit in this update exept MMS :D19:35
Aardsee apr14 tag on together, complete changelog will come with release19:35
cvpi want to know...19:35
messertingAny info on heartbleed and Jolla? I've got "/usr/share/doc/openssl-libs-1.0.1f" installed on mine, I guess that means it is affectd, right?19:36
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Aardmesserting: it's part of the upcoming release19:37
messertingAard: thanks, good :)19:37
cvpok... only ... this is meaning 14. april will jolla release changelog incl. release ?19:37
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cvpignore "only" :p19:37
w00tthe year is 201419:37
Aardcvp: april 201419:37
cvplol19:38
Aardfunny how many assume we release on the 14th :)19:38
cvpargh19:38
cvp:D19:38
cvpyou see what i wish to see19:38
messertingAard: what services are currently running (by default/when devel mode is enabled) and vulnerable for heartbleed? Is ssh affected?19:38
Aardmesserting: no, ssh is not affected19:39
rigodebian and opensuse were fixed yesterday19:39
messertingAard: so unless I run an https server on the phone, I'm okay?...19:39
Aardyes19:39
messertingok, thanks19:39
Aardso for us it's less critical than for other distributions, but it's still important to fix soon19:40
rigounless the browser does not check for revocation by default as chrome does :)19:40
Aardwell, the whole ca system as we have now is utterly broken19:40
rigo+119:40
Aarddoes not really matter if you check it or not19:40
rigosee my contribution to the prob in https://www.w3.org/2014/strint/papers/52.pdf19:41
rigowe'll fix it19:41
Aard:)19:41
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messertingrigo: (I didn't read the doc, but love that you used LaTeX)19:42
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rigomesserting: what, haven't seen lawyers using latex? :)19:49
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Aardonly the different kind19:49
messertingrigo: Well, not many! I certainly see far too much MS Word (even have to use it myself at work... :()19:50
* Aard does not touch stuff like word19:50
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AJAX555uhm, does anyone know why I can't find my mp3 audio file from media?20:21
Quu*magic*20:22
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junnuviAJAX555: if there is no certain id3 tags files might not be shown as expected20:35
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AJAX555oh well, changed id3 tags, now it shows20:38
AJAX555but still, shouldn't it show those files without id3 tags with filenames?20:38
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junnuviAJAX555: yes, definetely. That's a bug :/20:59
AJAX555I hope it's a known bug21:01
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junnuviI think so, at least you will found it from togethet.jolla.com21:02
junnuvitogether.jolla.com21:02
AJAX555yeah searching it now21:02
AJAX555yeah, known bug21:03
AJAX555or, atleast reported21:03
junnuviyep21:04
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pawkyAard: Then how am I to be able to make alien dalvik to understand SSDP and multicast???21:30
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Aardpawky: if it does not understand it you're out of luck21:41
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pawkyAard: but how can someone be so ... ... ... to only implement parts of the tcp/ip stack???21:47
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pawkyThere must be some way to make android apps be able to communicate fully network wise....21:48
pawkyor can someone in here explain why this hasn't been done?21:51
pawky.. not only I seems to be lost for words....21:53
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ppre heartbleed, malicious google talk stealing fb chat credentials or whatnot is what theoretically might happen22:03
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pp(I'd guess the browser is NSS)22:04
pptho you can start stealing so early22:04
specialXMPP connections on sailfish use gnutls22:07
specialnot affected client-side22:08
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