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william_genEA2 for N4,wifi can not work,Ea1 works02:36
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stephgwilliam_gen: works for me here07:55
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william_genstephg:  after rebooting,wifi works fine08:17
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stephgcool08:18
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william_gen In FingerTerm,right half is blank and outputed text can reach there(wrapped),how to correct that?08:18
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stephgwilliam_gen: yeah I saw your message about that, I don't know as it's not happened to me. If it's a rendering thing, what happens if you swipe to the right to get to the settings page and then swipe left again, does that fix it? does the vkb also get hidden or just the terminal 'display'?08:19
william_gencan not fix it08:20
stephghm08:20
stephgand does it hide the keyboard as well?08:20
william_genhiden08:21
william_gendimmed,not hiden08:21
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stephgoh08:22
stephgand tapping on the screen doesn't bring it to the foreground?08:22
stephgso you have no keyboard input at all then?08:22
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william_genyes,can bring it to the foreground08:23
william_gencan input,just click screen to bring it to the foreground08:23
stephgkk08:23
stephgfrom your description does it look like then the terminal display is half the width it should be? if text is wrapping?08:24
william_gen wrapped08:24
william_genright half have no text08:25
stephgcan you put a screenshot up somewhere (assuming you have ssh)08:25
william_genmy ssh still can not link to my N4,sad08:26
stephgshame08:26
william_genafter instaling sailfishos08:26
stephgif it's on your wireless you can ssh into it that way, you don't have to use the usb networking :)08:26
william_genmaybe I take a photo by cemera08:28
william_gencan you receive the picture?08:28
stephgput it on imgur?08:29
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stephgthen everyone can see!08:29
stephg:)08:29
FiXionhi guys. gallery app won't rotate view, when I view an image.08:29
FiXionbrowser won't rotate either.08:29
FiXionin display settings it's set to dynamic08:29
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FiXionI've tried everything I can think off, and google reveals noone else with the same issue :(08:30
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FiXionI've just updated to latest version.08:30
FiXionhaven't tested before hand though.08:30
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FiXionanyone have any ideas?08:30
osatoni've had mine stuck in landscape mode. reboot solved that08:31
FiXionI'll try rebooting then :)08:31
* FiXion just figured it wasn't windows... :)08:31
FiXionand I just rebooted it yesterday, inserting my simcard. (finally switched to using it as my primary phone :)08:32
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FiXionahh. I just figured it out. It only switches to landscape - when I turn it around counter-clockwise. if I do it clock-wise - nothing happens.08:33
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FiXionpractical - but not intuitive :)08:36
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william_genstephg: what's your locale? mine is zh_CN.utf8.this is the reason?08:37
william_genFingerTrem08:37
william_genmy network speed linking to Imgur is very pool08:39
william_genso uploading to Imgur is difficult08:40
stephgI'm en_GB.utf8 but the locale shouldn't matter08:41
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william_genstephg: photo here: http://pan.baidu.com/s/1hqeJo4808:47
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Yanielhm yes it looks like it might be computing line width with fullwidth characters08:49
william_genmaybe08:49
Yanielat least the cursor looks fullwidth08:50
stephghmm, to change my locale and have to reflash as I won't be able to read it ;)08:50
Stskeepswilliam_gen: the command messages are in chinese?08:50
william_genyes08:50
Yanielit probably treats everything as fullwidth then08:50
Yanielor at least the cells08:50
william_genand cursor position is not correct08:51
william_gencursor position is far away form text input position08:51
Yanielcursor position would be correct if the characters acctually were fullwidth it seems?08:52
Yanielto me it looks like it computes the grid size from fullwidth but character spacing from halfwidth08:52
william_genmaybe,but i wanna know how to correct08:53
Stskeepssledges: bug ^08:54
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Yanielwilliam_gen: fix fingerterm ^^08:54
william_genhow to?08:54
Yanielthe sources are on github08:55
FiXionanyone having issues with adding a general email account ?08:56
FiXionI just added mine.. twice. choose accept.. and then disabled that apps could use it as email account - and choose save.08:57
FiXionand then the email app says I have no accounts yet08:57
FiXioneven though it, after I choose accept says "adding account"08:57
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FiXionit's a very large imap account08:58
FiXionbut it should say something IMHO08:58
Nicd-"disabled that apps could use it as email account"08:59
Nicd-now the email app can't use it08:59
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netzvieh:D09:02
FiXionNicd-: hopefully that's NOT what that means :)09:03
Nicd-I would guess it's exactly what it means09:04
FiXionhow stupid would that be?09:04
FiXionit makes sense to NOT allow other apps to send email from my account09:04
FiXionI don't trust crappy android apps etc.09:04
FiXionand if that was the case - it should tell me this means I can't actually use the email account09:04
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Nicd-try it without disabling09:05
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william_genStskeeps: seems internal sdcard is mounted being owned by root on sailfishos on N4,09:07
FiXionNicd-: you were right.09:08
FiXionwow that makes absolutely no sense09:08
Stskeepswilliam_gen: yeah it probably has to be, /data right?09:08
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Nicd-FiXion: it's probably there because it makes sense for other account types09:08
william_gennot  /data09:09
Nicd-FiXion: like if you add a google account you might only want the contacts09:09
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william_gen/mnt/sdcard09:10
FiXionNicd-: ahh. so it's a generic account addition thingy.. not obvious :)09:10
william_genStskeeps: /mnt/sdcard09:10
FiXionNicd-: thank you for the help09:10
Nicd-FiXion: you could search TJC and post there if one does not exist09:11
Stskeepswilliam_gen: /mnt/sdcard is a symlink to /data/somewhere isn't it09:11
FiXionNicd-: TJC ?09:11
Nicd-FiXion: together.jolla.com09:11
william_genStskeeps: /mnt/sdcard is a symbol link to /storage/emula09:12
FiXionlike a bugreport :)09:12
Stskeepswilliam_gen: hmm and /storage/emulat is..09:12
william_genlet me see09:12
FiXionI'll post one about improving that then :)09:12
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william_genStskeeps:  /mnt/sdcard linked to /storage/emulated/legacy09:15
Stskeepsok, that's some odd process handing that isn't it09:15
william_genshould make ordinary user can access that internal sdcard on N409:16
william_genbut now ,only root can09:17
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laehtiswilliam_gen: why is that so?09:25
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william_genon  internal sdcard,user stores film,book,mp3,and so on09:27
william_genStskeeps: on  internal sdcard,user stores film,book,mp3,and so on09:28
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Stskeepsyes09:28
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Stskeepsi think it's still in /data isn't it09:28
Stskeepsnot sure how it works09:28
laehtisyes but why root only?09:29
Nicd-laehtis: that's what he is wondering too :P09:29
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william_genStskeeps: in fact,only root user can 'cd' to /mnt/sdcard09:30
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laehtisNicd: okay:D09:31
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Stskeepswilliam_gen: ls -al /mnt/scard09:31
Stskeepser09:31
Stskeepsls -al /mnt/sdcard09:31
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william_genok09:32
william_genwait09:32
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Stskeepstell me permissions of .09:32
Stskeepsdo it as root09:32
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william_genStskeeps: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2014-04-1808:41 sdcard -> storage/emulated/legacy09:35
Stskeepsok and ls -al /mnt/storage/emulated/legacy09:35
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william_genStskeeps:  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2014-04-18 17:18 /storage/emulated/legacy ->/mnt/shell/emulated/009:39
Stskeepsthat is a lot of symlinks..09:39
Stskeepsand ls -al /mnt/shell/emulated/009:39
william_genStskeeps: no next, ls -al /mnt/shell/emulated/0 just list all files stored in internal sdcard,such as films,mp3,books09:42
Stskeepsi need the first line of that09:42
william_genok09:42
william_gentotal 50203609:44
Stskeepsokay, next one :P09:44
william_genStskeeps: 'total 502036'09:44
Stskeepssorry :)09:44
Stskeepsthe one with . on it09:44
william_gendir '.'09:44
Stskeepsokay, i obviously am bad with unix today :)09:44
Stskeepsdrwxrwxr-x.  3 carsten carsten      4096 Apr 17 09:09 .09:45
Stskeepsthis one09:45
william_genStskeeps: drwxrwxr-x 15 root sdcard_rw 4096 2014-04-18 08:32 .09:45
Stskeepsokay09:46
Stskeepshang09:46
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william_genchown it now?09:47
Stskeepsusermod -a -G sdcard_rw nemo09:47
Stskeepsas root09:47
william_geni see09:47
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Stskeepssledges: for k09:48
Stskeepss09:48
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william_genStskeeps: usermod:group 'sdcard_rw' dont exist09:50
Stskeepsthat's interesting09:51
rubdosAnything special about the other Other Halves in the Jolla store? I'm about to order and I'm thinking about those... do they have different functionalities, or are these just colors? :)09:51
william_gennow ok09:51
Nicd-rubdos: they have their own backgrounds, color shemes and notification sounds09:51
rubdosNicd-, okay, great :)09:51
Nicd-just like the default OH that everyone gets09:52
Nicd-you can also now set your own sounds to them, so that by changing the OH you can change the ringtone for example09:52
william_genStskeeps: this command is permanent or temporary?09:52
rubdosNicd-, amazing :)09:53
rubdosNicd-, red, black,red,black... What shall I take? :)09:53
laehtishave seen some pretty awesome OHs on twitter, qwerty and infrared imager, looking forward09:53
Nicd-that's up to you rubdos :P I just keep on my special ed OH09:53
william_genStskeeps:command is now ok,just now i make a typo09:54
Stskeepsok09:54
rubdosNicd-, special edition? :O09:54
rubdos:D09:54
william_genStskeeps: this command is permanent or temporary?09:54
Nicd-rubdos: it's the poppy red with the text 'The First One'09:54
Stskeepswilliam_gen: permanent for the installation09:54
rubdosNicd-, :'( Should have ordered sooner :P09:54
william_geni see09:54
william_genthanks09:54
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Nicd-rubdos: it was only for the 100 € preorderers09:55
rubdosNicd-, how do you like the poppy red? I'm a bit afraid it'll be too colorful09:55
Nicd-I like it09:55
rubdosok09:55
Nicd-I think it's better than the white one09:55
Nicd-been thinking of the black one though09:55
Sail0rthe black one is too normal ;)09:57
rubdosNicd-, yeh, exactly... I've them both in my cart, but... Which one shall I dispose? :P09:57
Nicd-I can't make the choice for you09:57
Sail0rI never attach it ;) but I use the keira black ambience *g*09:57
Sail0rwith the first one toh09:57
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rubdosWhat'll happen if I take them both? :/09:59
Nicd-rubdos: here's mine: https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/JHWBYKp5JUg09:59
rubdoslooks fabulous :D10:00
laehtisNickd: red and black looks awesome combined, wow10:00
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Nicd-if you take them both, you can choose a new color every morning :P10:00
sharefreehow are you all10:00
sharefreeI want to buy jolla phone10:00
sharefreebut it is not avaiable here yet10:00
sharefreewhy this discrimination10:00
laehtiswhere are you located?10:00
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Quuyou can get one from ebay at about 3x price10:01
rubdosQuu, yes, because that is a solution hahaha :10:01
Nicd-sharefree: it's not discrimination, it's just they don't have the possibility to sell everywhere yet10:01
william_genStskeeps: after 'usermod','cd'to '/mnt/sdcard/' still give me a error 'Insufficient permissions'10:01
sharefreelaehtis, Nepal10:02
ballockwilliam_gen: reboot10:02
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william_genreboot already10:02
ballockin normal circumstances it would be log out and log back in... but how do you do that on a Jolla?10:02
laehtissharefree: Okay, hopefully sales starts intercontinental too. You can always come to visit Finland;)10:03
rubdosballock, quit your shell and reopen it, hoping it is a login shell?10:03
ballocktype group10:03
sharefreeguy i see ubuntu and tizen coming too10:03
sharefreeSo what do you think would happen to Sailfish OS now10:03
Stskeepsthey haven't shipped any phones, though10:03
Stskeepstizen has been around the corner for several years now10:03
laehtisUbuntu phone looks nice and have gppd community behind it but I have no good feeling about Tizen...10:04
ballockwilliam_gen: it should show the groups nemo is a member of; sdcard_rw should be on the list10:04
william_genmaybe must 'chown'10:04
ballockrubdos: well, if that would do it for lipstick...10:04
pptizen might make it in automotive or somesuch10:05
Stskeepswilliam_gen: type 'groups'10:05
rubdosballock, does it? :O10:05
ballockrubdos: how do I do that? Send bash a HUP signal?10:06
ppI suppose it's only alive since android wants a backup from google and intel wants something to sell their mobile chips on (tho android on atom would do just as well, they don't care)10:06
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ballocksharefree: Ubuntu has a bigger momentum, but I guess not a fraction of mobile experience compared to people hanging around here10:08
rubdosballock, I thought you had a terminal opened up or so? I'm off for a second, wifi roaming is broken. brbr10:08
ballockrubdos: never mind10:08
Stskeepspp: yeah.. IVI is a fun area10:08
william_gengroups nemo is not a member of sdcard_rw . they are paratactic10:10
ballockno, just 'groups'10:10
ballockdo a:10:11
ballockcat /etc/group |grep sdcard_rw10:11
sharefreebut to be frank i feel the same way about sailish too10:11
sharefreeit would not last if phone are not shipped worldwide10:11
ballockpersonally, I see some benefit from not shipping the phone officially to the US10:12
Stskeepssharefree: you're aware that to ship worldwide, you need to also correspond to local regulations, certifications, need care support,e tc?10:12
Stskeepswhich isn't a trivial task :)10:12
Stskeepsnot to mentions fun with customs in those cases10:12
Stskeepsyou enter markets slowly in practice10:12
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sharefreeso is sailfish os full linux on phone /10:13
Stskeepsyes, it is10:13
Stskeepsbash, coreutils, systemd, wayland10:13
Stskeepsand that's the difference between let's say ubuntu touch and sailfish; we've factually productized a device and related OS, gotten it certified in head and butt, and had it battle tested with factual consumers and markets10:13
ballockStskeeps: that's quite a quick 'full linux' definition,10:14
Stskeepsballock: it is10:14
Stskeepsdo you want a longer one? :P10:14
Stskeepsplease don't say GTK should be included10:14
Stskeeps:P10:14
william_gensdcard_r:x:1028:10:14
william_gensdcard_rw:x:1015:10:14
Stskeepswilliam_gen: hmm10:14
william_gencat /etc/group |grep sdcard10:14
ballockwilliam_gen: try usermod again, and type what's the output10:14
ballockif there were any errors or so10:15
Stskeepsas root: usermod -a -G sdcard_rw nemo10:15
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ballockStskeeps: sorry for hijacking your support case ;)10:15
Stskeepsno problem10:15
ballockwilliam_gen: and do a cat /etc/group |grep sdcard afterwards10:16
william_genStskeeps: <Stskeeps> as root: usermod -a -G sdcard_rw nemo, i did and reboot,but still can not 'cd' to /mnt/sdcard as an ordinary user10:17
ballockif it's there10:17
sharefreethen we must promote Revolution phone10:17
sharefreeas it might support Sailfish soon10:17
Stskeepsor also promote the jolla phone, to bring some income to the OS :)10:17
Stskeepsit's a tough choice10:17
ballockwilliam_gen: 1. as root: usermod -a -G sdcard_rw nemo10:18
ballock2. If there's no output, cat /etc/group |grep sdcard10:18
ballock(one way or the other, there's output, I want to see it)10:18
ballock3. report10:18
ballock4. if the nemo user is listed, reboot10:19
ballock5. recheck10:19
william_gensdcard_r:x:1028:10:19
william_gensdcard_rw:x:1015:nemo10:19
william_gencat /etc/group |grep sdcard10:19
Stskeepslooks better indeed10:19
ballockwilliam_gen: now see if it sustains a reboot10:19
ballockif it does, it should work. Otherwise do a chmod10:19
william_genhave rebooted10:20
ballockor wait for sledges to fix the .ks and for the next EA image10:20
ballockso - works?10:20
william_gennothing10:20
ballockblack screen?10:20
ballock;)10:20
william_gen wait for sledges to fix10:21
sharefreeguys i think lots of open OS = bad idea .. cuz we just need a open phone rather which support all of them as per the choice of the user10:21
sharefreelike Revolution Phone does10:21
Stskeepssharefree: Oppo also does10:21
Stskeepsbut you have to understand that it's not all about open hardware10:21
Stskeepsif it was about that, OpenMoko would have won the market10:22
william_gennothing changed after reboot10:22
Stskeepswilliam_gen: as in, sdcard_rw:x:1015:nemo is still there in /etc/group ?10:22
ballock/etc/group contents are there?10:22
william_genOppo?10:22
Stskeepssharefree: jolla is a consumer device first and foremost, but is quite open for being one10:22
sharefreeStskeeps, Which Oppo model /10:22
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william_genStskeeps: yes10:23
Stskeepswilliam_gen: good10:23
Stskeepswilliam_gen: you should be able to enter /mnt/sdcard10:23
Stskeepsnow10:23
Stskeepssharefree: check https://en.oppo.com/firmware/ for example10:23
sharefreeStskeeps, baseband open too in Jolla phone ?10:23
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ballockStskeeps: what if one of the dirs containing the links is not readable by nemo?10:24
Stskeepsi doubt you'll find basebond open anywhere to be honest10:24
sharefreeStskeeps, but why sir /10:24
sharefreeWhat is the problem /10:24
ballockwilliam_gen: try the ls -la as nemo user10:24
Stskeepssharefree: it's called telecommunication regulations10:24
william_gencan not enter /mnt/sdcard,says: 'Insufficient permissions'10:24
Stskeepswilliam_gen: hmmm..10:24
ballockwilliam_gen: I mean: first ls -la /mnt/sdcard10:24
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ballockand then the same following the links10:25
william_genOppo will join to sailfish os?10:25
Stskeepshttp://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/LegalAspects10:25
sharefreeStskeeps, NSA + Prop. Baseband = 100 percent spying10:26
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william_gen ls -la /mnt/sdcard : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2014-04-18 08:41 sdcard -> /storage/emulated/legacy10:27
william_gennothing changed10:27
ballockok, do a touch /etc/trashfile10:28
ballockif it works, type an 'exit'10:28
ballockotherwise, continue with ls -la /storage/emulated/legacy10:28
sharefreejolla phone offer privacy ?10:29
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ppwell, it doesn't really shout out a lot about you when you're using it :-)10:30
Yanielwhat do you even mean by "offering privacy"10:30
william_gentired10:31
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sharefreedoes it offer better privacy over android ?10:31
ppI'd say so (tho it's the apps that really ruin it)10:32
sharefreepp, but jolla has no apps right ?10:34
Accedo you mean "app permissions"?10:34
ppwell, basic stuff is native, and they don't blurt out your imei/phone number/email address/whatnot10:34
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pp(even when you're checking for updates it's not blasting out your jolla account every time, even if it is https ;) )10:36
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ppI'd assume when it gets to paid sailfish native apps they'll be doing something similarly sensible10:37
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kimmoliOT: is Micrsoft really asking something from the users? http://xboxmusic.uservoice.com/forums/209733-xbox-music-suggestion-box/category/67365-windows-phone15:17
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Anz_I'm aware of custom keyboard layouts and already got Arabic working. now, any insight on Indic characters? i guess something extra need to be done other than replacing the characters on an existing layout16:12
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Korp_puim just wondering what is jolla's policy with dead pixels?18:45
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Korp_puim having quite a few of them and they're spreading slowly18:47
tbrKorp_pu: contact care, I'd say18:48
Korp_puthanks, will do :)18:49
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arhuh19:21
arJolla logo on my (stock) other half is nearly worn out19:21
arwat do?19:21
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Yanieltime to get a funkier TOH? :D19:23
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aard_ar: how did you manage to do that?19:28
araard_: i keep it in my pockets19:29
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aard_so do I19:29
flanagI've been using mine from December to this day (and it's been in my pocket) and I can't really see any marks on it and the logo for example hasn't worn out at all.19:33
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Yanielsame here19:35
Yanielnor has the paint on the screen frame worn off19:35
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sharefreehi19:35
Yanielhello19:37
sharefreeis this phone coming to asia ?19:37
sharefreedoes it support android apps ?19:37
Yanielthat has been planned19:37
sharefreewhere is your Web Store or app store for apps ?19:37
Yanielto some extent, yes19:37
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Yanielapp store is on the device, android apps can be installed from most android app stores19:38
sharefreewow19:39
sharefreebut it cost a lot19:39
sharefreey ?19:39
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Anz_@sharefree: study well about Android app compatibility to avoid disappointment later.19:45
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sharefreeAnz_, were you disappointed ?19:45
sharefreeactually i m running away from Windows + Google stuff19:45
sharefreebasically anything prop.19:46
sharefreeso it would not be an issue19:46
sharefreei m just wondering if F-droid would work on it or not19:46
sharefreei want basic security apps to work cuz I ve no idea if Jolla is a full gnu/linux on cellphone or what19:46
Anz_I had talked to a Jolla blogger  personally so I was aware of the shortcomings19:47
sharefreeAnz_, u using Jolla ?19:48
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Anz_@sharefree: yup. most people on this channel do, i guess19:50
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sharefreedid you use android before ?19:51
sharefreeWhat made you choose Jolla ( Sailfish OS )19:51
Anz_@sharefree: nope. i was using maemo5 before. I had an Android tablet though (got it as a gift) and lost it last week! darn19:53
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faenil_f droid the store?19:54
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sharefreeya19:54
sharefreeF-droid - Free and Open Store for Android Apps19:54
sharefreeAnz_, I see so you love it so far ?19:55
faenil_it works on jolla, if that was the question19:55
sharefreefaenil_, I know but does most apps work .. what about security of sailfish .. what about apps ?19:56
faenil_well, apps which don't rely on g services work19:56
sharefreenone of the apps in F-droid rely on G19:58
faenil_yeah, that was a generic statement19:59
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sharefreefaenil_, ok19:59
faenil_there are some security restrictiòna though, which I don't know by heart19:59
faenil_restrictions*20:00
sharefreefaenil_, I think I would try Sailfish OS on Geeksphone revolution20:00
faenil_good20:00
sharefreeuntil they release the phone here20:00
sharefreebut i think the battery backup must be low20:01
sharefreeits just 2000 mAH right ?20:01
faenil_210020:01
faenil_it's enough for a day for sure20:01
sharefreereally /20:02
Yaniellasts for about a day running IRC over 3G20:02
sharefreewhole day ?20:02
faenil_I did 2 days before the last update20:02
faenil_now 1 :/20:02
faenil_yep20:02
vattebattery life is quite good indeed. I'm running an SSH connection through the day with normal use otherwise, usually end up with 50% by the end of the day20:02
sharefreeoh so its low grade battery which might drop its performance every month20:02
faenil_it 22 and it's 6%, I unplugged it yesterday late afternoon20:03
faenil_and I'm on jolla atm20:03
vattenotable thing is that the ssh connection doesn't break even once20:03
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sharefreewow20:03
sharefreejolla has its own IRC client ?20:03
sharefreecan you share screen shots ?20:03
sharefreehow is it different from Android ?20:04
faenil_well it's not by jolla, but it's for sailfish :)20:04
Accehttp://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/sailfish-os-amazing-irc-client-shown/20:04
Accejust the old version though20:04
Accelot of improvements since then20:04
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faenil_bye bye, 5%, I'm closing irc :)20:05
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Yanielvatte: sounds like they changed the deep sleep thing then20:07
Yanielreminds me, I have mine connected via USB and ssh didn't lag either even though the screen is locked20:07
sharefreewow20:09
sharefreebut Sailfish OS has not license info20:09
sharefreethe site is less information20:09
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vatteYaniel: I guess so. It's really great, even my laptop on wifi doesn't keep the ssh connection as reliably as my Jolla on 3G :)20:10
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vatten900 was similar, I guess, but keeping a constant connection drained the battery20:11
sharefreeheh20:11
Yanielsharefree: most of the code is from the mer and nemo projects20:12
Yanielwhich you can find on github20:12
sharefreebut under what license is it released ?20:12
sharefreeis it public domain ?20:12
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Accenot public domain, no. I think most are GPL and some LGPL20:15
sharefreeok20:15
sharefreeBut the site is suppressing a lot of facts20:15
Nokiuspositive shocked guys  found no application (native SailfishOS) on my which alls home / exept Tap Race but it tells  u this in the User Agreement :D20:16
sharefreelike what is sailfish OS etc20:16
AcceNokius: calls home?20:17
Accesharefree: yes, they have to market it to the "normal" people too, you see20:17
NokiusAcce: calls :-/20:17
YanielNokius: how did you check?20:18
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NokiusYaniel: wireshark on an "Analyser" which shares wifi traced the hole interface with filter ip.addr == Jolla IP20:20
AcceI checked with strace that KillDroid, for whatever reason, tries to get network.. when there's no connection strace outputs lot of errors from getDomainName or similar20:20
Accethose disappear when connected, but nothing shows up in the strace as sent/received data..20:21
NokiusYaniel:  of course there has bin traffic but only when I used an application which need Websevice like Sailbure Radio application20:21
Yanielyu20:22
Yanielp20:22
YanielI suppose you checked the target address too?20:22
sharefreeAcce, I am normal but the issue is I being so much into computing cannot purely understand the Jolla OS ( which is actually Sailfish OS ? )20:22
sharefreeplus if they are providing it for other phones are well then provide details in wikis20:22
Accesharefree: mm, I'm not sure what you're trying to understand? and yes, it is Sailfish OS and Jolla phone20:23
NokiusYaniel:  the filter shows all traffic I guess because  ip.addr==Jolla is one on side Source or target20:24
YanielI mean did you check that the traffic went to a reasonable address wrt the app it originated from20:25
NokiusYaniel:  did you ever trys some thing with an Andrid Phone :P only Web Proxys shows you connection and u wont want use any application on this Phone :D20:26
NokiusYaniel: u mean if I ceck the packet ? no most is https like Jolla Store / Jolla Update Warehouse YTPlayer http is Fahrplan (db.de backend) SailSoma | Soma FM Tap Race20:28
Yanielno I haven't had an android phone20:30
NokiusTry with friend Phone :o (Quizkampen)20:31
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Nokius4 Connection olny to Ad, Analyser Companies and in plan text20:33
sharefreewhere is the Jolla OS store ?20:34
sharefreecan I check it online ?20:34
sharefreeapp store ?20:34
TemeVsharefree, you can only use it with the phone afaik20:34
YanielNokius: uhh20:35
sharefreeshare some games section shots ?20:36
sharefreeplease20:36
sharefreeany paid apps yet ?20:36
Yanielnot yet20:36
TemeVI think there is like 3 or 4 games for Sailfish20:36
NokiusYaniel:  I dont have to  mention that this companies  got the OS Version Phone Name and so on … :O20:37
YanielTemeV: actually store shows a bit more than a screenful in the puzzle games category20:37
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Yanieland only two are android apps20:38
NokiusYaniel: The proxy Setting in SailfishOS is a bit compley so its not easy to set up a web proxy to anayse the traffis more clear than with wiershark20:39
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sharefreeCan this phone run HD games from android ?20:40
Yanielhttp://imagebin.org/306363 <- sharefree20:40
NokiusYaniel: Hope that that in near future the app developer dont add call home functions20:41
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YanielNokius: yeah same here20:41
YanielOTOH the community is quite keen on keeping those away which hopefully raises the bar for adding such stuff20:42
vattesharefree: I remember trying the Sonic Dash 3D game for android on Jolla, and it worked fine20:42
sharefreeomg I see Yaniel20:42
sharefreeits cute20:42
sharefreevatte, wow20:42
vatteI would bet jolla runs on par with a similarly specced android phone20:42
NokiusYaniel: irc one of this trosh appliaction had this function and the developer removed it after user repoart it ….20:42
Yanielthe flashlight app for example sent stats back20:43
Yanielbut that was removed after people complained20:43
NokiusYaniel: yeap!20:43
TemeVYaniel, so it seems. I guess I had the adventure games screen on my not-so-photographic memory :)20:43
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walokrasome other apps also send data "back" for usage statistics20:43
Yanielyeah that one only has 6 or so apps20:43
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NokiusYaniel: and Tap Race shows you a messae saying we track your activity20:44
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walokraas the jolla store doesn't show usage stats it's kind of understandable20:44
walokrabut should be done openly20:44
Nokiuswalokra: realy ?!20:44
Nokiusopenrepos does :P20:44
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walokrait motivates developers to know that apps are used etc.20:45
Nokiuswalokra: yeah but user hates to get trackt20:45
Nokius;)20:45
M4rtinKthe stats on OpenRepos are also updated in near realtime20:46
walokrayeah and for that reason there should be better ways to provide some stats20:46
M4rtinKan developers see download per version and per country :)20:47
Nokiuswalokra: as mention found no app which reports home20:47
NokiusM4rtinK: which is okay but if an apps tells more like usetime and so on its ...20:48
M4rtinKIMHO tracking is evil and must not be done without explicit informed consent of the user20:48
M4rtinKthen the app should not do that20:49
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M4rtinKeasy as that20:49
NokiusYeah20:50
Nokiusright20:50
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Nokiusbut some times i wondering if the openrepos statistic show not VPN / Proxy user (Location  is way far from Jolla Market)20:52
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M4rtinKwell, GeoIP is like that20:54
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Nokius:P20:54
M4rtinKtunels, proxys and bad data about IP range assignment20:54
Nokiusyes20:55
M4rtinKyou can't really do anything about it without outright spying20:55
M4rtinKwell just total download counts are the most important anyway20:56
Yanielyeah20:56
M4rtinKtey tell you how important your app is20:56
M4rtinKgeoip is nice (for example to see how important l10n is)20:57
M4rtinKbut not crucial20:57
Nokiusright now days clicks and downloads is what measured20:57
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KabouikI'm trying to install Torch plugin for Jolla settings from the Warehouse application, but nothing happens when i tap "Install", is it a known issue?22:33
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