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Nicd-ooh: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jolla-Sim-Free-Smartphone-16GB/dp/B00HJA7A3Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400141930&sr=8-1&keywords=jolla+phone08:20
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Sail0rhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2JPKUSDTGGF08/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00HJA7A3Y&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=560798&store=electronics08:23
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coderuswow, thats more than 399 euros09:15
StskeepsVAT?09:15
coderus399 euros already including VAT09:16
ggabrielwasn't it 330 gbp?09:16
coderusif i want to get VAT-free i'll go to finland and grab one from DNA with discount09:16
ggabrieloh, yeah, 330 gbp slightly > 399 eur09:17
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Stskeepsnot jolla setting the prices in retailers, at least09:18
ggabrielwell, that's the interesting thing09:18
ggabrielamazon says "sold by Jolla"09:18
Waiteeverkkokauppa.com in finland sells at 389€09:18
ggabrielis Jolla selling in amazon? :)09:18
Waiteeapparently09:18
coderusbut its a good start anyway09:18
ggabrielit's a marketplace, right? so it's about who reserves the "Jolla" name first09:18
Stskeepsi'm morbidly curious if amazon.co.uk ships worldwide09:18
* ggabriel testing09:19
ggabriel(it does)09:19
Waiteegotta be a bit sceptical about jolla officially selling on amazon since afaik they havent told anyone about it publicly09:19
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ggabrielit doesn't send it worldwide (argentina)09:20
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ggabrielyou can ask it too09:20
ggabrielbut when you go to checkout it only filters your uk addresses09:20
ggabrielso don't worry sts :)09:21
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Stskeepsah09:21
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ggabrielotoh, amazon's warranty is very cool09:30
ggabrielthey pick it up from you for free and replace it with a brand new phone basically09:30
ggabrielthen deal with jolla separately09:30
ggabrielbut i think this one is marketplace anyway09:30
ggabrielit doesn't say, which is annoying09:30
ggabrieloh, no, i stand corrected09:31
ggabriel"dispatched from and sold by amazon"09:31
ggabrielso, if you aren't in finland, probably a really good opportunity09:32
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Nicd-hmmm, I just got a text and the phone vibrated but there was no sms sound10:03
Nicd-yet sounds are on10:03
Niuranmaybe the sound asigned as tone is not reproducible10:07
Nicd-it's the default jolla tone10:08
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Niuranhave you try with other tone?10:08
Niuranah10:08
Nicd-and it has worked before (no settings have been changed in the meantime)10:08
svuorelamaybe related, but occasionally I don't have any speaker sounds ...10:08
Nicd-hehe, now I got another text and heard the sound10:10
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chem|stNicd-: the sounds sometimes get cut-off10:10
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chem|styou hear nothing - you hear a beep - you hear a partial - normal10:10
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ccha2hello, is it possible to do conference call last version ?11:02
fluxI'm pretty sure I've received calls without ever hearing them..11:04
fluxor then they've been super short11:05
fluxon new year the phone went into mode where it could be called but it indicated exactly nothing. but that's four? releases ago, ancient history ;)11:05
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louisdkMy friend has some problems with his Jolla. One of them is that he can't connect to 3G.11:13
louisdkWe're in a good area, so it should work. Mine works fine. However we have different providers11:14
Stskeeps3g data, or 3g11:14
louisdkMobile network aka 3G. Think it has something to do with apn settings - searching the wen for answers.11:16
Stskeepsokay, let me rephrase11:17
Stskeepsdoes '3G' show in the indicator11:17
louisdkYes. And it has ~ 70% signal11:19
Stskeepsok, then it's an APN issue11:20
louisdkOkay thanks11:20
Stskeepstap-and-hold on the internet stuff11:20
louisdkI'm in there, but can't find mmc and mnc options11:23
Stskeepsyou don't really need those, just set apn name correct11:23
louisdkit works thx11:24
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ballockAnybody from England around?11:46
sdjayna'fraid so11:46
ballockI'll be in Bristol and heading towards London around June 22nd11:48
ballockand was thinking if there's anything going around, like drinking beer with fellow Jolla buddies11:48
ballockor some FOSS events or so11:48
ballockotherwise I guess I might be hitchhiking back to Poland to avoid sitting around doing nothing11:49
sdjaynaand there i was thinking you might have an apn issue ;)11:50
ballockam I going to? which network's at fault?11:51
stephgballock o/11:51
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ggabrielballock: london here... nothing going on that i'm awaree of, can only offer beer :P12:01
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ggabrielballock: also, if you're going to bristol, you may bump into sledges12:04
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sledgesballock: when do you arrive to Brizzle?12:14
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ballockI'm arriving on June 21st for a family event at my friend's12:23
ballockThen I'm free as a bird12:23
ballockas the flights back only get from London Stansted12:24
ggabrieli once flew from luton12:24
ballockI need to be travelling anyway12:24
ggabrieli don't recommend it12:24
ballockIt's not that I have much choice, flights to Wrocław only depart from Stansted12:25
ggabrielah, i flew to warsaw12:25
sledgescool, im around at that time; fancy a pint? :)12:26
sledgesballock: ^12:26
ballockso I've got a choice of buses and variable amount of time in London12:26
ballockprobably including whole night Sun/Mon12:26
ballocksledges: of course :)12:26
ballockIf there's more people and reasons to party, I can even let myself depart on Tuesday12:27
sledgesanother mobile meetup in london hey hey hey :D12:28
ggabrielyeah, sadly can't party on a sunday/monday12:28
sledges?12:28
ggabrielgotta pay the rent12:28
sledgesthere were ~20 people with 24hours notice last time :))12:28
ggabrielbut happy to attend meetups12:29
ggabrielyeah, ping cybette for that ;)12:29
ballockggabriel: you've got one pint on me12:29
ballocksledges does too :)12:29
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sledgesas in free beer :)12:36
ggabrielawesome12:38
ggabrielwe'll end up drunk12:38
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ggabriel(need do avoid chicken palace this time round tho)12:39
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vgrade_+1 london meet12:40
ballocksledges/ggabriel/vgrade_: Will you pick a good spot?12:41
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ggabrielballock: you need to be close to liverpool st, right?12:42
vgrade_ballock: I don't know the city12:42
sledgessame here lol12:43
ballockI'll need to find something that'll get me to Stansted when the bar closes.12:43
ballockMy flight departs at 8:3012:43
ggabrielis that am on monday?12:44
ballockyes12:44
ggabrielnot sure i'll find something that's open all night12:44
ggabrieli can suggest a pub by the river that's close-ish to liverpool st (there are buses/trains from there to stansted)12:45
ggabrielbut it'll close circa 2312:45
ggabrielon sunday12:45
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sledgesthere are pubs open till 2, but not doubtful on sunday evenings12:45
sledges-not12:45
ggabrielindeed12:45
ballock23 is a little early, might be no night buses for stansted12:46
ballockand I feel more comfortable staying in zombie-mode on the airport than on the street12:46
ggabrielballock: check nationalexpress.com12:49
ggabrielthere's a 23.45, 00.20, 1.4512:50
ggabrielmaybe this url works and everything: http://coach.nationalexpress.com/nxbooking/journey-list?affiliate=yes&utm_campaign=affiliatewindow&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2FWWW.MANCHESTERAIRPORT.CO.UK&awc=2197_1400158135_96cf2631c607483e164c53690a90e8cd&partnerCode=NX&campaignCode=DEFAULT&from=&to=&departureStopId=&destinationStopId=54174&waiting=true&fromc=liverpool%20street&toc=Stansted%20Airport%20London&journeyType=single&departureDate=212:50
ggabrieland this is the pub I had in mind, close-ish to liverpool st, could get busy tho as it's by the river: http://www.foundersarms.co.uk/12:51
ballockok, sounds like a plan12:51
ggabrielfrom that pub, you walk to london bridge (10-15'), and there are buses/tubes to liverpool st station12:52
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ggabrielthere are restaurants too, such as nando's, if you're up for relatively quick chicken (better than chicken palace from last time at least :P )12:52
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ggabrielanother option a bit more trendy is shoreditch12:53
ggabrielwhich is even closer to liverpool st station12:53
ggabrielbut no river views12:53
ggabrieluhm... i remember a nice evening around that area actually on a sunday once upon a time :P12:54
ggabrieland there are a few clubs too, trouble is that you'll never make it to your flight12:55
ballockI'm not a tough-headed guy, but I am from Poland, I might have a little advantage ;)12:57
ggabrielballock: trouble is if you're having too much fun12:57
ggabriel"what do you know, it's tuesday"12:57
ggabriellet's see how it goes12:58
ggabrielwe can always strart @ founders and move around, berlin/stockholm/madrid style12:58
ggabrielwarsaw too fwiw12:58
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Stskeepsi'm so in for warsaw13:00
ballockStskeeps: been here long?13:01
* ggabriel was talking about the style only, altho warsaw could happen too13:01
Stskeepsballock: since 200913:01
Stskeepsthough i don't speak a lot of polish13:01
ggabrieljak sie masz?13:02
ballockI thought you're on sth like a contract here13:02
Stskeepsnaah13:02
ballockbut 5 years sounds like you married to a polish girl ;)13:02
Stskeepsi live here, i have a polish wife :)13:03
Stskeepswe met while studying in .dk13:03
ballockbingo!13:03
Stskeepswhy else would anybody move here..13:03
Stskeeps:P13:03
ballockespecially Warsaw13:03
ballockif only it wasn't burnt to ground during WW213:03
ggabrielnah, warsaw is nice13:04
ballockggabriel: pubs, you mean?13:04
ballockthose might be fine13:04
ballockespecially price-wise13:04
ggabrielthere are pros and cons13:04
ggabrieli wouldn't live there13:04
ggabrielbut i wouldn't say it's a dump either13:05
Stskeepsi live ~30 mins outside center, so it's fairly nice13:05
ggabrielbetter warsaw than my home city13:05
ballockStskeeps: your wife's from Warsaw13:05
ballock?13:05
Stskeepsnew district13:05
Stskeepsballock: yeah13:05
ballockit's not Upper Silesia or Łódź13:05
entilargh, you guys talking about poland made the word "price-wise" parse as polish :D13:05
ballockit's not a dump13:05
ballockprice-wise, I'd go for a beer in Czech or Slovakia13:08
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ggabrielwarsaw is becoming expensive quickly13:08
ballocklet's check it: Stskeeps how much's a beer in WAR?13:09
Stskeepswell13:09
ballockin a pub, I mean13:09
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Stskeepsi don't recall, i don't go out that often13:10
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ballockggabriel: I guess no way to check it then13:11
ballockthe ground/rent prices are a different story13:11
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ballocksledges ggabriel vgrade_: what time do we start?13:13
ballockI think I'll be arriving on Sunday at 12:45, but that's a little early to start drinking till 11pm13:15
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vgrade_ballock: I'm easy but will need to leave early to get back to up north13:18
ballockor we can have a hacking afternoon followed by a beer event?13:19
Stskeepstrue, ballock's doing porting work too13:20
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vgrade_sounds good13:20
ballockthat expands a bit the number of electronic devices i'll need to carry13:21
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ballockwould use some power in the open, should I take a turbine to get electricity from Thames' flow?13:23
ballock:d13:23
ballockAll set then, are we advertising the beer event?13:27
ggabrielballock: i'm happy to start any time, 12.45->23.00 no problem :P13:29
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ballockawesome :)13:32
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stephgggabriel, ballock which day are we talking here?14:16
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ballockstephg: Sunday, June 22nd14:21
stephgaha14:22
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stephgfor those of you that haven't seen this yet, v. cool:  https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004167.html14:54
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ggabrielcool indeed14:57
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kimmoli_sailinghaa, insmat flipcase availble from jolla's own store16:04
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gexcwhen will spare batteries be available?16:20
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Temewhat a load of ****16:24
Temei don't know if that should be directed Jolla or Windows16:25
Temedevice not getting recognized as mass storage when connected on USB :/16:25
Temeused to work perfectly16:25
Temeor maybe i should connect it to USB port with data? carry on people... :D16:27
Stskeepsit was only ever recognised as MTP16:27
Stskeepsnever usb mass storage16:28
Temeyeah, seems that way16:28
Temesomehow the ports on the front of my PC don't function the same way16:29
TemeJolla asked for developer/PC connection/charging but nothing happend on windows16:29
Temeconnected to the back ports -> device recognized16:30
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Stskeepsusb 3.0?16:30
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Temeno idea which ones are which16:30
Temeisn't usb 3.0 backwards compatible?16:30
Temei assume Jolla supports 2 :P16:30
Temei tried both on the front, but i have no idea how it's connected to the MB16:31
Temethere are blue and black ones in the front panel, can't see to the back16:32
Temebut i wonder if the MB even has 3.016:32
netzviehTeme: sometimes USB 2.0 devices have problems with 3.0 ports. the blue ones are usually 3.016:32
Temeok - in any case i tried both or 2.016:32
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AJAX555Teme: just in case, you are not using xp are you?16:33
Temewin 716:33
AJAX555k16:33
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Temebut there are power-only USB-ports, right?16:35
Temeleaves me a bit baffled what's the difference between the back and front ports..16:35
Temeit started charging and asked for connection type on the front, too16:36
Temebut windows did not show it as MTP16:36
netzviehTeme: power-only is possible, but won't make sense on the front16:36
Temeyeah, i guess so16:37
netzviehTeme: well it's windows. I had so many problems with my USB ports ... sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. usually the device manager shows some error then16:38
Temeyeah, i'm definitely thinking it's some windows problem16:38
Temebut it works on the back which is good enough for now :D16:38
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FireFlyAaah16:53
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FireFlyRapidly flashing green LED16:53
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Gordon`hi18:36
Stskeepshello hello18:36
Gordon`I’m experiencing lots of unexpected reboots since a few days18:36
Anz_Gordon`: see if battery is pressing to the contacts firmly18:37
flanagAnz_: you can't really see that with your eyes18:38
flanagit feels and looks tight18:38
flanagbut it isn't18:38
Gordon`i don’t think it’s a battery problem18:39
flanagso Gordon`, just stick some paper under the bottom of the battery, it most likely helps18:39
flanagyes it is18:39
Gordon`it appears to be related to SIM card18:39
flanag?18:39
flanagthat's what I thought earlier18:39
flanag(because the reboots happened often when I was using mobile data etc.)18:39
Stskeepsdoesn't mean anything, just means that you use more power18:39
flanagyes18:40
flanagI think Gordon` has the "loose" battery problem18:40
flanagI don't think anything SIM related has caused any reboots (at least I haven't seen)18:40
flanagso just try the paper trick, Gordon`, I'm sure it helps18:41
Gordon`flanag: when the reboots happen, when I don’t enter my PIN code, the device stays on, but as soon as I activate it, it crashes18:41
Gordon`flanag: I’ll try that18:41
Anz_flanag: 'see' as in ensure :)18:41
flanagGordon`, I had exactly the same experiences18:41
flanag(when booting and not entering PIN --> stable)18:41
Gordon`I’ve been having it before the 2 last upgrades18:42
flanagbut it's because that draws a lot of power18:42
Gordon`but it seemed to be more stable18:42
flanagit's just random18:42
flanagand the battery can get looser etc.18:42
flanagI'm fairly sure that _all_ the reboots/shutdowns are caused by the battery being loose18:42
Gordon`hmmm18:43
flanagyour experiences are very similar to mine and after I did the trick, mine has been 100% stable for a month now18:43
Gordon`I pulled off my OH, and no more reboots (since 3 minutes :p )18:43
flanagI saw that too18:43
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Bawalcould be, since the software is pretty much the same. some don't have the shutdown probs at all while some are experiencing that all the time despite the software updating18:44
flanagyeah18:45
Bawalfeels like it _could_ be just some inconsistencies in hardware build, i.e. battery fit and contact18:45
Bawalwhich considering is a possibility considering it's not quite the a+ class hw18:45
Anz_is this hardware issue already identified to be  related to a specific batch of phone/batteries18:45
Bawal- the other considering18:45
Bawalanyways18:45
flanagAnz_: Jolla hasn't announced anything regarding that18:45
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coderustoday i played king oddball, screen became buggy and low responsive, and then phone rebooted18:47
flanaghmm18:47
coderusit wasnt hot or so18:48
coderusjust software crash :)18:48
flanagI wonder what's the cause of all the lipstick crashes (blinking led) people are having18:48
flanagI have never seen one18:48
flanagbut some people see loads18:48
coderusme too18:49
coderuslipstck is main system manager/window manager18:49
Stskeepsblinking red but it comes back up, with apps still there?18:49
flanagyes18:49
coderusany serious window bug caused lipstick restart18:49
flanagStskeeps: what are you exactly asking about?18:49
flanagI was just stating the fact18:50
Stskeepsas a general warning to anybody doing, make sure you don't use too many blocking dbus calls.18:50
Stskeeps:P18:50
Stskeepsalways use async if you can18:50
flanagany sign of the update 6 btw? :P I looking forward to getting it this Friday18:51
flanag*I'm18:51
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Bawalnot blaming or waving fingers, but those of you who have had more serious problems, how much have u tweaked the device in a way a "normal phone user" does not18:52
Stskeepshttps://twitter.com/zzste/status/46701053252104192018:52
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Bawalkinda interested in statistics more, and if the phone is actually suitable for a "normal user" or are the probs more widespread/random18:52
Stskeepsflanag:18:52
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flanagStskeeps: ah, thanks for the heads up18:53
StskeepsBawal: well, my wife uses a jolla without reboot, shutdown issues and lockups as of latest update18:53
Stskeepsmaybe she's just lucky18:54
flanagStskeeps: so do I (after the paper fix)18:54
Stskeepsi have a ton of funny problems but i run our development branch ;)18:54
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Stskeepsso i kinda ask for the pre-QA experience18:54
flanagI don't know if it's the improvements with connectivity stack or what but my reception has been massively better nowadays18:54
Stskeepsflanag: maybe battery is able to deliver more oomph?18:55
flanagStskeeps: I thought about that too18:55
flanagas it seems to be so much better than before18:55
flanagnever drops to 2G18:55
flanagbefore it dropped very often18:55
* Stskeeps boots up the nexus 418:56
Bawali also use the device pretty much in a way normal user would, and while i've had some problems i think only one's been something i'd call critical18:56
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Bawala few friends haven't had anything to complain18:56
flanagand I have nice 3G reception in one specific place where I had no reception at all with another phone18:56
flanagso I'm very happy with that now18:56
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Stskeepsmy worst signal strength issue was the n95018:57
Stskeepsit started being a problem when wife was pregnant and i was out of range18:57
Bawal:S18:57
flanagyeah, I can imagine18:57
Anz_i dont see any blinking LEDs. just the apps becoming  non responsive for a moment and asking whether to wait or close?18:58
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Bawalthe only app atm i'm having problems is actually the settings18:58
mikmastskeeps: that's something you propably say and blame the hardware. ;)18:58
mikmastskeeps: "I want fresh strawberries!" 'but sweetie, it's winter' .. "NOW!"18:59
flanagAnz_: I have only seen that with LLs vPlayer18:59
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Stskeepssettings does a lot of calls to a lot of daemons :P19:02
mikmastskeeps: also, thumbs up for the wifi hotspot -feature in jolla. absolutely best i have seen yet19:02
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PnuuI guess it still drains power even when turned off?19:03
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Stskeepsmikma: it was actually found by somebody in here, i think19:03
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Froberghello my fellow sailers.. anyone experience reports of poor voice quality during phone calls? I get reports that my voice becomes far-off and "tinny" sounding..  from multiple sources. :-/21:43
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