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inte`chem|st: hope so too. At least they seem to still develop in qt/linux for here auto but on the other hand i haven't seen much of here auto since the anouncement00:01
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inte`last year00:01
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inte`we'll see00:01
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send9 /LOG OPEN -targets #jollamobile ~/irclogs/linux/linux-%Y-%m-%d05:23
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ruskiedoes there exists something like run-standalone.sh on sailfish? I want to run some dbus commands through cron but I'm guessing atm they aren't connecting to dbus to execute09:28
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chem|struskie: what user are you using?09:56
chem|styou might need to be nemo privileged09:56
chem|stI haven't done the dbus digging like on n900/n9 yet so actually no idea what is needed, but what user is needed for several things changed alot09:57
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ruskiechem|st, well I was able to run dbus-send via run-standalon.sh via cron on n90010:02
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ruskiehere I can run that command fin as nemo user10:02
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ruskiebut I'm guessing it's lacking a dbus session to connect to10:03
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Sail0rhow can i access notifications in the sailfish launcher12:49
Sail0rthe sms sign stays on top even if the sms is read12:50
Sail0rand swiping from the bottom does not work for me12:51
blablablareboot?12:52
tbrfrom the video I saw it looked like you need to get to the native android notification pulldown12:52
blablablawhat does the sailfish launcher has to do with android?12:53
blablablasms are native12:53
Sail0ryeah but a sms icon is shown in sailfish lauhcner ...12:53
Sail0rand this sign does not get removed even if i read the sms12:54
blablablaah12:54
blablablasailfish launcher is an app for android?12:54
Sail0ryep12:54
Sail0rit's a sailfish like launcher12:54
blablablacan i install it on my jolla?12:54
Sail0rwhy do you want it on jolla oO12:54
blablablahehe12:55
blablabla:)12:55
Sail0rI have a jolla myself and the native implementation is way better ^^12:55
blablablajup i think so :)12:55
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intedoes this apk work on *any* android phone?12:59
Sail0ronly on 4.3 as far as I know12:59
inteand any device?12:59
Sail0rbut on xda dev someone ported it to 4.212:59
Sail0rwhich also works on 4.1.212:59
intei have a 9305 somewhere13:00
Sail0rbut I cannot recommend it for a daily phone at the moment13:00
intenever used it though13:00
Sail0rI tested it on my samsung galaxy s213:00
Sail0rand it's not very usable13:00
inteso this is an app13:00
Sail0rlike every launcher13:00
intenot a sailfish release for android phones?13:00
Sail0raka homescreen13:00
Sail0rnope it's a launcher13:00
intei dont know android13:01
intewhat do you need a launcher for at all?13:01
inteand, again, this is not sailfishos for android devices but something different aka "launcher"?13:02
Sail0revery android device has a launcher13:03
Sail0rit's basically the ui look and feel13:04
Sail0rwhich can be changed13:04
Sail0rhttp://www.androidcentral.com/android-z-what-launcher13:04
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intewasnt there a nokia(corp) launcher released as well?13:10
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Sail0ryep13:10
Sail0rzlauncher13:10
intenot the one from microsoft13:10
Sail0rhttps://www.zlauncher.com13:10
inteyou tried that one?13:10
Sail0rnope13:10
Sail0ri tried the sailfish launcher13:11
Sail0rnative sailfishos for my s2 would be cool13:12
intemaybe its better13:12
inteyeah13:13
inteas a spare phone13:13
inteanyways people should get themselv a jolla if they really want sailfishos13:13
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inteits only a little difficult since you cant get it through network providers yet13:14
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intethe z-launcher looks a bit like sfos imho13:17
inteis it written in qt?13:17
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intehttp://www.newageman.co.uk/entertainment/18-reasons-be-thankful-you-didnt-get-glastonbury-ticket13:30
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cxl000inte, To run Xwayland under sfos I expect you would need to at least implement some private protocol and Xwayland launcher and possibly need a newer version of wayland13:34
intecxl000: thanks for the reply13:34
intei guess its all about the compositor13:34
inteweston supports wayland while jolla utilizes lipstick13:35
cxl000If you have a look at weston its a fairly small peice to add13:35
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intemaybe it is possible to drop lipstick and use weston instead?13:36
inteor patch lipstick13:36
intemh13:36
inteis lipstick foss?13:36
cxl000I don't have lipstick working anywhere at the moment so have not taken it any further13:36
inteoh no jolla phone yet...13:37
cxl000Don't know if the version in sfos differs from that in nemomobile13:37
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intecxl000: thanks13:38
inteso maybe the nemo people are in charge13:39
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intedo you know if there is anyone working on implementing it?13:39
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cxl000Xwayland packages exist but I have not seen anyone working on integrating to the compositor13:41
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inteok thanks13:42
intei have an n900 as well but the last time i tried nemo the build was somewhat broken13:43
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inteoh, jolla is available through amazon uk now13:46
intehttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Jolla-Sim-Free-Smartphone-16GB-White/dp/B00HJA7A3Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403983962&sr=8-1&keywords=jolla+smartphone13:46
cxl000It's been awhile since I've tried nemo in any of my devices13:46
intedo they ship worldwide?13:47
intecxl000: it just that i would like to have xskat on my jolla which relies heavily on Xlib13:47
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intewouldn't mind porting that to qt but i couldn't find a straight forward tutorial on how to achieve that13:48
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javispedroif I want to make a daemon that runs alongside the user session, what is the most elegant way?14:28
javispedro(systemd question)14:28
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javispedrois there a preferred path for "user" unit files? is it under $HOME? is systemd user session support used at all? (doesn't seem like the case)14:28
tbrI thought quite some stuff was started as user by systemd14:29
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javispedrooh, I can see systemd --user indeed, probably killed it last time14:31
javispedroso I suppose the idea is then to just drop a file in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ and it'll be picked up in the next boot?14:31
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specialjavispedro: files placed in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ are part of the user session, yes14:51
specialthey're noticed immediately, or after 'systemctl --user dameon-reload' for changes to existing services14:51
specialthey are *not* started automatically14:51
javispedroafaiu I need to "enable" them beforehand14:51
javispedro?14:51
javispedroif I'm reading correctly there are some rpm macros (at least in fedora) that should do that automatically14:52
javispedrohowever I was perusing https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/tracker/blob/master/rpm/tracker.spec#L16514:52
javispedroand it seems to be doing this the "non-macro" way14:53
javispedronot sure if this is the correct way or if I just got a bad example14:53
specialwe generally symlink into user-session.target.wants, yes14:54
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specialmake sure the dependencies and all in your .service are correct too14:55
specialyou can cause quite a bit of damage with badly written systemd dependencies14:55
javispedrosince I'm using "special" targets it's hard to say14:56
specialmm?14:56
javispedrobasically I have Requires=dbus.socket bluetooth.target14:56
specialdoes bluetooth.target exist on device?14:56
special(systemctl --user status bluetooth.target)14:56
javispedroyep, and it actually works14:56
specialok. And you don't use UI or anything?14:57
specialno QGuiApplication?14:57
javispedronope, just core14:57
specialprobably ok then, add After=dbus.socket bluetooth.target too14:57
special'Requires' in systemd means 'you need to start those when this is started, and stop this if those are stopped' but it does not define the order in which things start and stop14:58
javispedroaha14:58
specialusually having After= too is what you actually want.14:58
javispedroI have no idea why bluetooth.target works :)14:59
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javispedroI ponder if my service keeping a Require on bluetooth.target will cause systemd to keep bluetooth.target on even if bluetooth is off15:00
specialit will start bluetooth.target if your service is started, yes15:00
specialls -la /usr/lib/systemd/user/bluetooth.target/15:00
javispedrothat's weird, the documentation says "This target is started automatically as soon as a Bluetooth controller is plugged in or becomes available at boot"15:01
javispedrobut I can also sysctl stop/start it15:01
javispedroaaaaaaaah15:01
javispedrostarted.15:01
javispedrosays nothing about stopped :)15:01
javispedroso it does not do what I thought :)15:01
specialif you want to run a service whenever bluetooth is enabled.. that's probably possible but I don't know what you'd need for our device specifically15:02
javispedrowell, doesn't matter, I think I can live with the daemon not being stopped when bt is off.15:02
javispedroyeah, sorry15:02
javispedroon gentoo bluetooth target behaves that way -- it is stopped when device is removed -- so I was wrongly assuming things15:03
specialwell, technically the device is always there on a phone ;)15:03
MoritzJTGood to know :-)15:03
specialit's just powered on or not15:03
poseidon_is gentoo using systemd now?15:03
poseidon_I thought it had its own init system15:03
javispedrono, it's (still?) not systemd.15:04
javispedrothere's also an interesting detail15:05
javispedroI can't really call systemd --user start from the rpm scripts, as uid is obviously not nemo15:05
Stskeepswe have some helpers for that15:05
specialbe careful doing so15:06
javispedroStskeeps: happen to know any nemo package using them?15:07
Stskeepsnot offhand15:07
specialit's bad if you let your rpm scripts fail based on whether the user session is running15:07
Stskeepsyou can prolly rpm -qa --scriptlets etc15:07
specialand it's bad if you accidentally bring up the user session from an rpm script.15:07
javispedroheh.15:07
specialhttps://github.com/nemomobile/voicecall/blob/master/rpm/voicecall-qt5.spec#L9615:08
javispedrointeresting15:09
javispedroI see that the systemd-user script takes care of checking whether the session is active15:09
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javispedroyep, it works great!15:21
javispedrothanks special Stskeeps15:22
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javispedronow I have bluetooth GPS working in time for holiday =)15:23
Stskeepsrfcomm?15:24
Stskeepsplease do share15:24
Stskeeps:P15:24
javispedroGPS "emulator", ie Jolla -> RFCOMM -> $OTHER_DEVICE15:24
Stskeepshmm15:24
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Stskeepsas in, external GPS support; or use a jolla as the gps15:25
javispedro"Use the Jolla as GPS"15:25
Stskeepsah15:25
javispedroI understand the other direction is interesting too but I have no other device15:25
Stskeepswould be nice for my galaxy gear oto15:25
javispedro*GPS device15:25
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javispedroat least it means qtlocation and qtbluetooth (5.1) work quite well15:26
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TMavicacoderus: here?15:52
chem|stI need to sopt trolling tjc :)15:55
chem|ststop...15:55
javispedroI wish one could just click "build SRPM" in QtC and then submit to OBS.15:59
Aardjavispedro: even better stuff coming up -- webhooks for everyone. if you have your project in git you just connect it to obs via webhook/source service, and just tag whenever you want a new version on obs16:02
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javispedronice idea indeed16:03
javispedroI seem to remember there was some way to fetch sources from git in meegoOBS but never managed to get it to work :)16:04
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coderusTMavica: not yet, but you can ask16:04
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cvp_hi@all16:05
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javispedrois sailfish_latest_armv7hl repository on build.merproject.org supposed to work already?16:20
javispedroI am getting "nothing provides pkgconfig(sailfishapp) >= 1.0.2" and the like16:21
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coderusTMavica: and now ;m here finally :)16:28
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cvp_coderus, any new project ? :)16:31
cvp_i am very happy with icq :)16:32
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kimmoli_sailingtbr: flushes getting kinda big?16:39
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inteicq?16:49
oh8gnzis someone still using icq ;)16:49
oh8gnzhaven't heard anyone talkin about it for a decade16:49
cvp_^^ yeah some of my friends use it :P16:51
cvp_and coderus creat a icq extansions for sailfish16:51
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TMavicacoderus: liqstick if crashed, mitakuuluu will lost all setting and register again, is known?16:54
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tbrkimmoli_sailing: big business was big. ;-)17:17
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BawalTMavica: uh so that's what causes mitakuuluu stop working?17:18
Bawal:O17:18
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Bawali've been wondering what it was, i thought it was some update that messed mitakuuluu up17:19
juicemehi, any dbus-on-jolla gurus around...?17:19
Bawalbut lipstick indeed crashed and could be it was after that mitakuuluu went crazy17:19
Bawalhasn't been working since17:19
Bawalauthentication fails and can't even re-register17:19
juicemeIs it possible to trigger email update via a dbus command?17:19
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juicemeThere's loads of stuff happening when I do a dbus-monitor and trigger update manually, but I just cannot find out which of the messages does the trick...17:20
juicemeAs far as I understand the architecture, when I for example swipe left on the minimized email client icon, the UI component sends the update message to the backend email application. However I cannot make heads or tails on the protocol used there...17:22
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Sail0rdbus-monitor shows every dbus event17:24
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juicemeSail0r, it does indeed, a load of stuff.17:27
juicemehowever, I cannot extract what is the relevant bit out there.17:27
juicemeand how to replay it with dbus-send :(17:27
juicemelots of the dbus messages involve "org.nemo.transferengine", is that the bit in the UI reacting to gesture events?17:29
juicemeI'm fairly sure this message is the one that triggers the update on the client:17:31
juicemesignal sender=:1.20 -> dest=(null destination) serial=106 path=/ServiceType/e_2dmail; interface=com.google.code.AccountsSSO.Accounts; member=AccountChanged17:31
juicemehowever, it has a load of parameters that I cannot understand how to formulate to a dbus-send command17:32
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juicemewhat I can do, for example, is to send a dbus command to open inbox: /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus com.jolla.email /com/jolla/email/ui com.jolla.email.ui.openInbox ""17:44
juicemeHowever, why is there nos similar simple command that I could issue to check if I have new mail??17:44
specialjuiceme: I don't know the answer exactly, but I can give you a few hints17:45
juicemespecial, I would be most grateful :)17:45
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specialtransferengine is unrelated, that is the sharing framework17:46
specialemail backend is handled by qmf, sometimes called messageserver517:46
juicemeokay17:46
specialthe closed source part is pretty much just UI and QML17:46
specialalmost any logic, including communicating with QMF, is likely in https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-email17:46
juicemedoes that include the bits where it talks to DBUS?17:47
coderuscvp_: no project17:48
coderuseven have no time for mitakuuluu17:48
coderusTMavica: ah, that the reason of massive bugreports about settings loss :D17:49
coderusTMavica: i have plans to switch to dconf from qsettings, it should help17:49
coderuswill release it in a month or so :D17:50
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cvp_coderus: want it one ? :oP17:51
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specialjuiceme: I'm not sure of the details, look around the code and if you get stuck the sailfish-devel mailing list might be helpful17:51
coderuscvp_: ?17:52
coderusBawal: seems so, can you email me your /home/nemo/.config/coderus/mitakuuluu2.conf file?17:52
coderusafter that remove this file and you can re-register again17:52
coderusi want to check what exactly broking in config after lipstick crash17:53
coderuswhen lipstick crash all applications closing with unexpectedly reasons and it's hard to track it properly, because compositor dying and apps exiting randomly17:54
juicemespecial, yes, I found it... if it looks like I'd like to add an iterface there, is it possible to compile that and replace the backend bit on my Jolla, without knowledge of the closed source bit?17:54
coderusif i can get any of your configs after that crash i can track what part of code writing bad data to settings on crash17:54
cvp_coderus: missing a hyperion app for sailfish :) (a RGB LED controll app)17:54
coderuscvp_: i have no time for development now17:55
coderusi need money for life :D17:55
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cvp_coderus: oh ok :(17:57
Bawalcoderus: ok let's see. though i've reinstalled the app a few times and tried renaming database files if that'd helped, so i don't know if that messes up the info u'd get from .conf... it's still not authenticating tho, so the problem still exists17:57
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Bawalcoderus: i've sent email to coderusinbox@gmail.com18:07
Bawalwill try now delete the .conf and re-register18:07
juicemespecial, there's something that looks like it might be related. In the file emailagent.cpp there is an interface function "void EmailAgent::accountsSync(const bool syncOnlyInbox, const uint minimum)"18:08
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coderusBawal: database is just your contacts and messages, it doesnt contain settings :)18:09
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Bawalactually it was also the android import that was messing things up :O18:11
Bawali removed the .conf (or renamed, anyways) and at startup it wanted to do an android impor, informed the import was successful but failed to connect afterwards18:12
Bawalsecond time i renamed the .conf i cancelled the android import and registered, now it works!18:12
Bawalyay18:12
Bawalthank you coderus18:12
coderusBawal: so, you had android whatsapp registered?18:15
Bawalinitially yes before i found mitakuuluu, removed it before switched18:16
coderusBawal: so, you removed android whatsapp after that?18:19
Bawalif i remember correctly i removed it first, but i'm not 100% sure18:20
coderusokay, probably it still keep app settings files18:20
coderuscheck iff /data/data/com.whatsapp/files/me exists18:21
TMavicathanks18:24
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Bawalcoderus: yes it does18:25
intewhere can i find this icq extension?18:25
coderusBawal: okay, that the reason :D18:28
coderusBawal: seems i should check first if android whatsapp is installed :D18:29
coderusinte: https://github.com/CODeRUS/haze-accounts-extensions18:29
Bawalcoderus: should i remove or rename that file to prevent future probs?18:29
Nicd-coderus: have you gotten bug reports about the mitakuuluu 100% CPU issue?18:29
coderusBawal: you can remove whole folder18:30
coderus/data/data/com.whatsapp/18:30
coderusNicd-: over 9000 times18:30
Bawalok thanks!18:30
Nicd-ok :)18:30
juicemespecial, now as far as I understand all the dbus functionality is elsewhere, not on the nemo-qml-plugin-email part itself.18:31
juicememight be it is on the closed-source part :(18:31
specialthe closed source code is almost entirely QML18:32
juicemewell, I could not find anything dbus-related on the sources. Or else I don't really understand how it is implementd...?18:33
specialqmf is a library, which I think n-q-p-email is using? the answer is probably somewhere in that code18:34
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specialI'd guess some of the emailagent functions, but I can't really look this evneing.18:40
specialevening*18:40
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intecoderus: thanks!18:53
coderusany way to check if android app installed?18:55
coderusi have no proper solution for now18:55
coderuschecking dex cache or desktop files seems not best18:56
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YanielI can't see my caldav calendar in the calendar app19:14
Yanielthe calendar shows up in settings->accounts->my test caldav19:15
Yaniel(the server is radicale)19:15
Yanielahh, there it is19:18
Yanieljust took quite a while to show up19:18
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slateHmm, Jolla launcher on galaxy gear was a neat test. Does not scale correct though. :p19:29
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Yanielyay, caldav works with radicale19:33
Yanielat least it syncs events in two directions and uses ssl19:33
slatehttp://1drv.ms/1r1IdHO19:34
Yaniel...but I had to type https://my.server.address as the server address19:34
Yanielinstead of just my.server.address and ticking a box that says "use SSL"19:34
Yanielis settings->accounts the only place where I can manually synchronize the account?19:37
Yanielor does it work for example from the events feed screen19:37
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cvp_slate: is it the android launcher ? :D19:52
cvp_i mean , the sailfish launcher on android19:53
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slatecvp_: yup20:06
slateI need a way to adjust the menu grid to make it usable :)20:07
slategrid-size does not scale to resolution20:07
slateon nexus I'd like more rows and cols, on gear, well, a lot less.20:08
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slateI hope this server gives more stable connection..20:20
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