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louisdkGood evening :)00:13
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dunphttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc0NTM00:22
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Venemo_jhey!06:10
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covoxhi06:16
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Nicd-hey Venemo_j, what's the IRC app's QML licenced with?06:24
Venemo_jNicd-: IIRC MIT06:25
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Nicd-ok, good06:25
Venemo_jno wait06:26
Venemo_jit's BSD06:26
Nicd-so roughly equivalent06:26
Venemo_jNicd-: https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/blob/master/qml/main.qml06:26
Venemo_jit's there06:26
Nicd-thanks06:28
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Venemo_jhave a look at http://choosealicense.com/licenses/ for some details and comparison :)06:28
Nicd-yeah, mine is MIT06:28
Venemo_jI'm pretty sure nobody's gonna go after you if you borrow some code from us06:29
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Venemo_jwhy do you ask btw?06:29
Nicd-I know, but it's better to be sure on these issues06:30
Nicd-I'm writing a weechat relay client and your UI is nice06:30
Nicd-https://bitbucket.org/vincit/harbour-weechatrelay/overview06:30
Venemo_jwhy not contribute to our app?06:31
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Nicd-well, this is not an IRC client so the protocol is completely different06:31
Nicd-but my code is MIT so you're free to rip it out and use it if you want06:33
Venemo_jah, I see06:33
Venemo_jfeel free to use code from our ui. I'm pretty sure jpnurmi is not going to be mad either :)06:34
Venemo_jI'm just happy you like it06:34
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Nicd-currently I'm having some problems with my pushupmenu: http://files.nytsoi.net/p36C.png :D06:35
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Venemo_jheh06:36
Nicd-but the protocol is implemented: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/110693235602405640560/albums/6035244761581630129/6035244766920094754?pid=6035244766920094754&oid=11069323560240564056006:37
Venemo_jI dunno, but feel free to look at how we did it06:37
Nicd-yeah, I'll have to study it06:37
Nicd-are the side-drawers Silica Panels?06:37
Venemo_jthe default components gallery app also has an example of it06:38
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Venemo_jno06:39
Venemo_jthey are custom made06:39
Nicd-ah, ok06:40
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Venemo_jthe browser is glitchy07:35
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Venemo_jsometimes it mistakes a tap for another click target...07:36
lainwir3dhi07:36
lainwir3dVenemo_j: It happens to me to. When I zoom on some web pages. When I unzoom the tap are precise again.07:36
oh8gnzhad to admit that I've used Opera all the time... Jolla's browser is not good enough, yet, I hope07:36
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Temeanyone using Glance screen? i have some issues with it, mainly that it does not appear07:37
Venemo_jhappens to me without zooming07:37
Temeexcept for once, when i wiped the screen on my shirt07:37
Temeso it's there, but not working07:37
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Venemo_jwhat is the glance screen?07:37
Temehttp://jollasuomi.fi/kuinka-asentaa-glance-screen-jollaan/07:38
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Venemo_jsorry, I don't speak Finnish07:38
Temenow it appeared again randomly when i tapped on the screen, but it's not appearing every time i touch... :(07:38
TemeVenemo_j: devel-su07:39
Temepkcon update07:39
Temepkcon install mce-tools07:39
Tememcetool –set-low-power-mode=enabled07:39
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Venemo_jwell07:39
Temethe video should explain the concept07:39
Venemo_jseems it's "not there yet"07:39
Venemo_jI know of this but it seems it's not in the production release07:40
Temefor sure not, but some users have it working07:40
chriadamTeme: it shouldn't show on touch, but on proximity sensor07:41
pp_works for me (assuming using it as intended, it's triggered by the proximity sensor)07:41
chriadamI believe07:41
Temewhere's the proximity sensor placed?07:41
Jopeto the right of the earpiece07:41
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Temeso you have to do some jedi hand-waving to get it to show :D07:42
Jopeyou have to cover it for a few sec07:42
Temethanks, that's what i needed to know07:42
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pp_upside down works07:43
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Jopeumop apisdn07:43
artemmaoh8gnz: do yiou mean there's Opera browser runnable on Sailfish OS?07:43
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Temeon android layer07:45
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Temei use it exclusively, although it doesn't support gestures it's still far superior to Jolla's browser, or any other mobile browser for that matter :)07:48
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artemmaoh8gnz: do yiou mean there's Opera browser runnable on Sailfish OS?07:52
* artemma is using WebCat that is passable, but not really on par with iOS and Android browsers07:53
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Nicd-artemma: Teme just answered you :P07:58
artemmaNicd-: it seems my connection went down when it happened :/07:58
Nicd-ah07:58
Nicd-[10:45:00] < Teme> on android layer07:58
artemmaah, Android07:58
artemmaI tried using Android Chrome browser on Jolla. It is indeed good and noticeably faster than anything native on Jolla, but..07:59
artemmaas with all Android stuff on Jolla it is only good if you run just it and no other apps #multitaskingtheysay07:59
Temenew update resolves that08:00
artemmamaybe should try Opera - it might take less memory08:00
Temeandroid apps now get separate tiles08:00
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artemmamy Android issue is mostly with performance, not tiles08:00
* artemma is known for complaining about frequent freezes of his jolla08:00
Temeoh, i never ran into any problems with performance, i'm running Android Skype and Opera 24/708:01
artemmayeah, I guess I need to take zzste's offer eventually and bring Jolla to them for having a look08:02
artemmaI tend to think it's more about my particularly low tolerance to slowness, but maybe there's indeed something wrong with my device08:02
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mekluhmm, I haven't had anything I could really classify as a freeze on my device08:05
* artemma just yesterday had several situations when managed to type two words on Messaging keyboard before characters started appearing08:06
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LondonnHello. how i can off messages about  join (connect/disconnect) on the irc channel other users?08:58
Nicd-you need to consult the documentation of your IRC client08:59
sledgesLondonn: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/hide_join_part_messages08:59
Londonnmy icr client webchat08:59
Londonnirc09:00
TemeLondonn: then i'd say no way :P09:00
chem|stAL13N_work: seems to be a hard matter to get a device to me...09:00
sledgesLondonn: try: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/hide_join_part_messages#qwebirc09:00
chem|stAL13N_work: it is now 3 weeks, on 15th care asked if the address to send to is still the one09:01
Temeoh, but this freenode client seems to be smarter than most09:01
Nicd-qwebirc is pretty ok for a webchat09:01
Londonnok, thanks09:02
sledgeswe :)09:02
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chem|sttbr: do we have a tjc tracking channel, to discuss things "not so public"?09:03
chem|steleroux1: re and thanks!09:03
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tbrchem|st: not at the moment, feel free to privmsg me. but we can open a back channel09:04
sledgesthere will be a moderators' ml09:04
sledgesping cybette09:04
dr_gogeta86hi guys09:05
dr_gogeta86sledges, kudos09:05
dr_gogeta86also to carsten09:06
tbrsledges: ml is neat, but irc wouldn't hurt either09:07
sledgesdr_gogeta86: thanks, i reckon you are about #sailfishos-porters topic? :)09:10
sledgestbr: yep, the wishlist of preferred ways to comm :)09:10
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dr_gogeta86i sledges i was on break this weekend09:11
sledgesthat's what weekends are for.. wait a minute, what?09:11
sledges:))09:11
dr_gogeta86https://twitter.com/dr_gogeta86/status/490561315174633474/photo/109:12
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eleroux1chem|st: kudos and thanks to you :)09:46
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messertingAny devs here that use security code on their Jolla?10:09
messertingI have some serious usability problems with the current implementation of "lock screen"10:10
messertingTo me, the (hidden) notification screen is quite useless, as I can peek on it, but not press the notification before I have entered the security code (for which I have to go back to enter)10:11
Nicd-well it would be a security risk if you could open notifications without using the lock code. of course they could modify it so that if you click on one, it would open the lock input and then open the notification10:12
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messertingNicd-: exactly. The way it is now is not good.10:15
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Nicd-you should write your suggestion on TJC10:16
messertingAlso, the notification screen snould be merged with lock screen, and notifications should work the same way as on N9: Swipe the notification to open. I can't believe that being patented. Show me the patent :P10:16
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messertingI think it is already there, but merge with some other poorly related question10:17
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messertingDone: https://together.jolla.com/question/51437/merge-notification-and-lock-screen-swipe-to-open-like-n9/10:26
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louisdkHi.10:34
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louisdkI'm thinking of doing a light talk on Jolla/Sailfish OS for a bunch of Tech geeks, however I have some doubts.10:47
roborodo go on...10:49
iekkulouisdk, why you have doubts?10:53
iekkuor what kind of10:53
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tbrI suspect he has questions10:56
tbrmany people say doubts, when they really mean questions.10:56
iekku:)10:57
roboroI'm thinking about migrating to the moon. I have some doubts.10:57
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louisdktbr, iekku, you're right. What can I say to someone who asks why this is better than Android from a UX perceptive. They can be like "Great features and all that, but I like my Android UX and doesn't think of switching just because of the swipe features".11:04
tbrit's not just swipe features. it's a whole different usage paradigm11:05
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rigo_louisdk, try to run an android device without google account11:08
iekku:)11:09
rigo_try to determine what your android device is telling all those services11:11
iekkulouisdk, as tbr said.11:11
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rigo_BTW, the UX is not "my" motivation, it's mainly the phone you use when you have a linux desktop.11:13
rigo_BTW, latest doesn't do "fish" kio-slave, but works with scp11:13
rigo_and scp/ssh/fish transfer shouldn't really need to switch dev mode on11:14
TemeVrigo_: I kind of agree on that. I think there should be some "advanced mode" which enables ssh etc, but not all the developer stuff11:15
rigo_yep, call it "brick" "hello world" "developer"11:16
rigo_:)11:16
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TemeV:D11:17
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louisdkMy motivation is Linux base, and I also think the UX is really nice and unique and personally prefer it over Android. I just have a very strong feeling that someone will ask me why they should switch to this from Android/iOS. Also I'll probbably get asked for a use case for SailfishOS. How I will see a use for it as it's develops.11:19
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louisdkMy that on it would be telling about Jollas history, the toughs and FOSS tech behind SailfishOS. Then I'll the unique UX and if people like it then great, if they doubt then try it and if they don't the decide if privacy and open development is a motivation for you. I also want to present the Jolla Phone as a proof of concept device for hackers, fans and early adopters so people will not judge Sailfish OS by the first phone.11:23
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sledgesI like GestureOrientationLock - one friend already wants jolla just because of that :D11:26
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gexcrigo_: it seems fish:// still works12:19
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gexcwith dolphin12:20
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Nicd-anyone else have connection problems in mitakuuluu 0.8.1?12:58
louisdkDid I miss  any answers. Any logs available?12:59
Nicd-louisdk: nope, you didn't miss anything13:00
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louisdkWhat do you tell someone who asks you how you think Sailfish could be used in the future?13:48
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Aardworld domination?13:50
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chem|stAard: I was close to "lose" my tablet (droid) in the alps... "oops, it dropped - 500meters"13:51
AardI'd like to see the sensor data of such a fall :)13:52
chem|sta "galaxy note" like phone/tablet with a pen or a phone with kbd and pen would be a real game changer eg world domination13:52
chem|stAard: can give you the gps-tracking^^13:53
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chem|stwhile hicking a 700m airdistance track 600m elevation I was close to drop it - gps track looks like flying as the track was such a steep climb that with 5m precision I was up or down 50m within seconds^^13:55
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chem|stis the nexus tablet port usable by now?13:56
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chem|stI was thinking about buying a nex7(2012) for 160eur...13:57
chem|sts/usable/consumer-friendly/13:57
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grammoboygood idea to buy an n9 and put sailfish on it?14:23
messertinggrammoboy: no, the CPU in the N9 is probably too weak14:24
grammoboymesserting, hmm, is nexus 4 better?14:24
grammoboyjolla mobile is too expensive for me and hard to get 2nd hand14:25
grammoboyall though I like the project14:25
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messertinggrammoboy: I haven't tried Sailfish on my N9, but I think there are some vids on the net14:27
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messertingPersonally, I find the N9 with Harmattan a bit laggy, and expect Sailfish to be worse on the old hardware14:27
messertingDon't know much about the Nexus, but if the problems with the Jolla continues, I will probably go that route myself14:28
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* messerting Celebrates 5 days uptime on my Jolla14:29
grammoboyhm14:29
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stephgmesserting: what problems14:30
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Mtingstephg Random shutdowns14:33
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Mtingcrappy cam14:34
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messertingI suggest to vote on this: https://together.jolla.com/question/643/feature-request-rss-in-events-feeds/14:57
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entilplz upvote ;) https://together.jolla.com/question/51472/reverse-sms-view/15:28
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SK_workentil: do you know qml ?16:10
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CosmicDuckHi, I've a question about bt: it looks like every time i power off my car radio or my headset which is connected with my jolla, also bt stack on jolla is also disabled. Is this the normal behavior?17:28
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lainwir3dCosmicDuck: nope. I don't think so.17:39
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CosmicDuckhm, mayben i should have a log on the messages...17:44
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CosmicDucklook17:45
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Mark_DillonHello!17:50
anonfriesewooh, celebrities in the channel :)17:51
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Mark_Dillonну17:51
tbrrrright17:51
FiSHBoYwho spell their own name wrong? ;)17:51
Mark_Dillonye17:51
* tbr suggests Mark_Dillon get's a more imaginative nick17:51
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Mark_Dillonwe are out release jolla launcher 0.21 alpha17:53
Mark_Dillon))17:54
anonfriesesadly /happilyi don't have an android device anymore... but would be interesting to see if the android runtime on sailfish can run the sailfish launcher, so sailfish in sailfish -> sailception ;)17:54
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TemeV"I put sailfish in your sailfish so you can swipe while you swipe"18:13
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stephghttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/21/ios_firmware_contains_packet_sniffer_and_host_of_secret_spying_tools/21:16
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javispedrook, so I'm right now performing BLE scanning on my jolla AND Wi-Fi is still working21:47
javispedronow to try to figure out what the hell I did.21:48
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keithzgI have to say, I'm repeatedly awestruck by my Jolla's idle time. Mind you, being without a cellular connection as it is undoubtedly helps. But it's been idling and occasionally used (a bit of browsing, some updating of apps, using ocNews which is still the best RSS reader on mobile) for over a week now, and is still above 50% charge!23:00
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