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TMavicaany people type chinese?06:29
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yuntahttp://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=HPVMMFT42207:35
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dr_gogeta86good morning08:46
SK_workhi dr_gogeta8608:51
dr_gogeta86how do you do ?08:52
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SK_workfine and you ?08:57
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Nicd-what does "Problem with sending message" mean with SMS? can I get a specific error code somehow?09:02
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Nicd-I'm assuming the number doesn't exist but of course I can't be sure because the error is so generic09:06
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SK_workNicd-: don't know09:07
SK_worksometimes it's because you don't have network coverage09:07
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SK_workand sometimes (maybe before recent updates), the sms got sent, but you don't have notification that it got delivered09:08
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Sail0rwhich boxes did you use when sending the jolla to repair?09:26
Sail0rI want to use the original sales box and another one to put it in09:26
Sail0rbut the dimensions they write in the email are pretty small and I don't have any box this size09:27
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Nicd-I made one from cardboard and tape09:28
Sail0rthe dimensions are damn small I have a box which exceeds them by 1cm each side09:29
Nicd-you can also send a bigger box if you pay for postage I think09:29
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Sail0rok fedex says: Dimensions per package can be up to 274 cm (108") in length, or 330 cm (130") in length and girth combined.09:36
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Sail0rNicd-: did you send it with toh?10:02
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Nicd-yes, the white one10:03
Sail0rok factory reset done10:05
Sail0rready to rumble10:05
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wazdHey people10:11
wazdI have a concept for you to discuss: http://t.co/XbrLq9PdB610:12
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Nicd-what is there to discuss?10:14
Nicd-it looks awesome but isn't real which makes me sad :P10:14
wazdWell, how do you like it, any thoughts if something is missing10:14
Nicd-it's missing åäö :D10:15
wazdwould you buy it, what kindney would you give away for that :D10:16
wazdoh, good point10:16
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wazdsee, that's what I need :)10:16
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Nicd-I would possibly pay quite a lot for a keyboard OH, *if* it was good to use and not a flimsy toy10:18
Nicd-extra battery in the OH would also be nice but not mandatory10:18
ighea_noo, I want' e-ink screen on the back!10:19
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wazdNicd-: well, actually battery would help not only in an obvious way, but also it will shift the weight of the device more to the OH10:20
wazdit would be easier to type10:21
wazdThough it would make TOH considerably more expensive of course, no miracles here10:21
* pahartik was looking for induction charging solution again today10:22
Temepahartik: to purchase or to produce?10:22
pahartikTeme: Either would be fine10:23
Temei mean on funkytoh you can choose to get some sort of Jolla-compatible connector and i guess the charger pads are available to order somewhere10:24
pp_this guy does it for you: http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=910:24
Temeyes, that ^10:24
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pp_FUNKYJOLLAUSERS gives you 25% off too, I have one in the shopping cart but since the guy is on vacation haven't bothered to order :)10:25
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tbr-fipahartik: I just put in a random qi pad and routed the pads using some copper tape10:27
* pp_ orders while he's at it10:27
Temewazd: if you are targeting the _ultimate_ users with your keyboard design, it should really include the home-key cluster as separate hardware buttons10:28
pahartiktbr-fi: Is it sensitive to precise location?10:28
Temewazd: you might be able to get away without delete and insert, but at the very least pgup, pgdn, home and end should be included10:29
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Temeenter could be reduced in size to be the same as ctrl and the extra space used for a 4-key cluster10:29
wazdTeme: Yeah, actually I just forgot to enable layers for them ><10:30
Teme:D10:30
mekluthat enter key is really huge10:30
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wazdTeme: they are on arrows and backspace10:30
mekluand I'd take home/end/pgup/pgdown way before arrow keys10:31
mekluwho needs arrows when you have hjkl ;)10:31
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inzWe need stackable TOHs10:32
inzWell, I guess they would no longer be TOHs then, but AOHs10:33
Temeyeah, i've always wondered what's gonna happen if/when there are many "must have"-TOHs available and people will have to choose between them10:34
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ighea_there only needs to be one extra battery wireless charging keyboard TOH with e-ink back screen10:34
ighea_everything else is pointless wasting of resources and time :p10:35
pp_kitchen sink10:35
ighea_well, DIY Qi TOH was a nice start10:36
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chem|stighea_: I actually do not need the extra battery and I do not need the eink and wireless charging can be a receiver-sticker on the device NOT attached to the TOH10:36
wazdSo, returning to the producing costs10:37
ighea_chem|st: receiver sticker? what harry potter is that10:37
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wazdIf we'd add already existing battery to the keyboard TOH, then the cost would be KB TOH + battery + battery shipping + a bit of design improvements10:38
chem|stighea_: a Qi-sticker... the TOHmod uses an Samsung S3 Qi-receiver-sticker10:38
wazdCan Jolla actually charge via it's TOH interface?10:39
ighea_wazd: sure10:39
chem|stwazd: iirc no10:39
wazdnot BE charged10:39
wazdbut charge10:39
ighea_or whatever you mean with the TOH interface10:39
chem|stwazd: there are separate charging ports 5V10:39
wazdwell, I meant the whole interface thing10:40
chem|stwazd: ah the other way round?10:40
wazdnot only L2TP or whatever10:40
chem|stit can provide power so it may charge something...10:40
wazdor how's it called :D10:40
ighea_chem|st: but only 3V10:40
chem|stbut supply is 3.3V I think10:40
ighea_or something10:40
wazdso it's a "lame" charger as I understand10:41
ighea_I wouldn't call it a charger but a power sourc10:41
wazdit would take centuries to fill 300mAh with that10:41
wazd3000*10:41
wazdIt's a good power source but lame charger :P10:41
chem|stwazd: you can not fill a battery with lower voltage than the battery...10:42
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wazdso, you'd actually need a custom micro-usb splitter (to charg both Jolla and TOH separately10:42
ighea_what would the 3000mAh battery even be for?10:43
chem|stthat is like trying to get a vessel at a speed of 6kn up a river that has 8kn10:43
chem|stwazd: I have no idea if you can use the 5V ports to charge a TOH battery10:44
ighea_if it is just extra battery for the Jolla wouldn't it make more sense to just charge the battery directly and then let Jolla charge from it through the internal pins? :E10:44
chem|stighea_: question is if you need another usb-port or not10:45
wazdand a micro-usb port on the TOH with all the wiring10:45
chem|stighea_: the connected ports for a TOH-usb-to-battery-charging is already connected to the internal charging... charging at it will charge the internal battery as well10:46
wazdchem|st: oh, ok, skip the splitter10:46
wazdbut still, it would dramatically increase the complexity of the thing10:47
pp_external microusb battery, anyone?-)10:47
chem|sttrial and error I guess, does a usb-connected Jolla provide 5V at the TOH 5V pins?10:47
wazdpp_: there are like thousands of them on the market10:48
wazdpp_: right now :D10:48
pp_yep, so why not use one :-)10:48
chem|stnice thing could be a boxes-TOH like this idea about a completely customizeable phone10:48
wazdpp_: not very handy I guess10:49
wazdpp_: though I always have one in my bag10:49
ighea_wazd: me too, it is called lenovo thinkpad :p10:49
pp_yea, one with a TOH top and a tiny microusb loop cable might be handy10:49
chem|stpp_: people do not want to carry extra devices with them and don't want to think about it10:50
wazdbut again, you're missing the point of the battery in KB TOH10:51
wazdcall it "useful weight"10:51
wazdcause if you'll make just a 3-4mm kb and stick in to the 140g device - it won't be that easy to type10:52
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chem|stwazd: I do not want the extra battery... I do not want the weight and I do not need an extra battery10:55
tbr-fipahartik: what do you mean by that?10:55
tbr-fipahartik: with all qi tech you need to place the device quite accurately10:55
pahartiktbr-fi: That is what I meant...10:56
pahartiktbr-fi: Maybe solution is to find large enough transmitter10:57
wazdchem|st: it won't be THAT much extra weight10:59
wazdchem|st: but trust me it would increase your typing experience10:59
wazdchem|st: say, the whole TOH would weight about 100g, but it would shift the center of mass right to the middle of the whole body11:02
wazdchem|st: I'd even make it more heavy so it would become "resting weight" - weight you should resist by just holding your palms instead of ninja finger combinations around11:03
wazdfor example Nokia e90 (the influence of that project btw) weighs 210g, but since more weight rests in your palms it types like heaven11:07
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trigpoint_can i buy a jolla battery anywhere?11:36
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chem|sttrigpoint_: nope11:46
chem|sttrigpoint_: well I don't know if it is a standard fit by the company manufacturing them for Jolla... Jolla does not sell them separately yet11:47
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Sail0rIt's on it's way to to finnland ;)11:52
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ighea_Finland11:53
Sail0rbut I forgot to put in a letter with the reason for return, but it's also not described to do so in the manual how to send it in I think it's ok11:53
Sail0ryeah sorry11:53
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WntHas someone else seen this error? I reseted my device, upgraded to the latest release, created a new "general email" account. I had something wrong with my outgoing (SMTP) server settings so I ignored that and created the account anyway.14:11
Wntnow when I go to settings -> accounts select that account and from the pulley I choose "Server settings", nothing happens in the ui (only the pulley menu dissapears)14:11
Wntin the journal I can see an error: "heinä 28 17:07:54 Jolla [2674]: [W] unknown:108 - file:///usr/share/accounts/ui/email-settings.qml:108: Error: Cannot assign to non-existent property "hideOutgoing""14:12
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topihello. can someone help me and tell me how I can uninstall an Android App from my Jolla? I installed it directly via apk file install, no store involved.14:22
WntAlso the only error in the SMTP server setup was that I didn't have the "Allow untrusted certificates" checked in the server settings. The certificate the server uses for STARTLS is signed by Startcom and works fine in the browser and when used in incoming mail. For some reason doesn't seem to work in STMP14:23
giucamtopi: do you have an icon in the launcher?14:23
topiyes14:23
giucamthen longpress the launcher and press its 'x' icon14:24
topigiucam, thank you for answering. I have done this already and the program disappears from the launcher14:24
topihowever, after some time, it asks me to update the program14:25
topia new update was available and the "deleted" program keeps prompting me to update it.14:25
giucamhm, i'm afraid my knowledge of android stuff is very limited14:26
topimaybe someone else? I asked at together, but no answer there, either.14:27
coderustopi: remove apk from /data/apps14:29
tbr-fitopi: locate the apk and delete all of its occurences14:29
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topithanks corerus and tbr-fi, I will try that now14:30
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topicoderus, I removed the app from /data/app, and rebooted the phone. I still get the message "/app_xxx.apk download failed"14:43
topiin dalvik-cache there is a .dex file referring to that application, should I also delete that? it is safe?14:44
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coderus topi sure, you can delete everything in cache :)14:59
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topiI deleted the apk in /data/app and the dex in dalvik-cache. Still getting notification of download failed15:01
Temeto which folder should i place an SSH private key that i use to connect to a remote shell?15:02
Teme(on Jolla)15:02
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tbr-fiTeme: ~/.ssh as usual15:07
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Temefor some reason the key doesn't get picked up, it's the first time i'm setting up SSH keys15:12
Temegot it working just fine from my Windows desktop with putty to a remote shell so that should be set up correctly15:13
tbr-fiplease note that the key format between putty and openssh is different15:13
Temewelp, i was just about to say i have a putty generated .ppk15:13
Temei'm guessing i need to copy just the key fingerprint to a plain text file or some such? i'll google it :)15:14
tbr-fiare you trying to SSH into the jolla or from the jolla into some server?15:15
Temefrom the Jolla to a remote one, got it setup from Windows->remote already15:15
Temewant to use the same private key on Jolla, obviously, to connect to the remote box as well15:15
Temeseems that i can do the conversion with puttygen15:16
tbr-fiyou neet to use that putty key tool to convert it to openssh format15:16
tbr-fiand then put the _private_ key part as e.g. id_rsa (if it's a rsa key) into /home/nemo/.ssh/15:17
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Temewell it seems to be working now, but doesn't like the fact that i didn't use a passphrase15:21
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Temei mean the format is probably correct now, exported with puttygen15:22
Temeshould chmod it to something i guess15:22
Temechmod 600 seems to have done the trick, thanks tbr-fi :)15:23
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tbr:)15:27
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Yanielstill no cover.jpg in mediabplayer15:34
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DrainBamagedIs anyone good with translating Finnish to English, please?20:48
AJAX555maybe20:49
DrainBamagedOoh, thank you20:49
DrainBamagedIt might be offensive20:50
DrainBamagedApologies if it's nsfw20:50
DrainBamagedKai nai!!I mera tou xorou eftase epitelous!!!Elpizoume oloi osoi dilosate oti tha parevrethite na mas timisete me tin parousia sas!!O xoros tha perilamvanei afthono poto...fagito...kai fisika ksefreni diathesi apo tous mathites!20:50
AJAX555well, good news, that isn't finnish20:50
DrainBamaged\o/20:50
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DrainBamagedI thought it wasn't20:50
DrainBamagedIt looked Greek to me :D20:50
DrainBamagedThank you, AJAX55520:51
AJAX555no problem20:51
pahartikDrainBamaged: Excerpts of it in "Google Translator" result in guessing "spanish"20:56
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DrainBamagedThanks20:59
pahartikDrainBamaged: Or maybe not, I just do not know how to use that service20:59
DrainBamagedrofl20:59
raa70galician21:00
raa70maybe it's missing some accents21:00
DrainBamagedWhat have I started here?21:00
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pahartikDrainBamaged: Language mystery21:02
DrainBamagedConsidering the use of the letter 'x', I'm sure it's Greek21:02
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raa70well, google doesn't translate a single word from that with greek -> english21:03
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DrainBamagedMaybe it is a load of rhubarb21:03
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DrainBamagedThe words I pasted, not Google Translate :P21:05
wazdthat's totally greek21:05
DrainBamagedI translated a small portion of it21:05
raa70maybe it needs greeks alphabets to be recognized by google21:06
DrainBamagedChanged it to Greek characters21:06
DrainBamagedΟ χορος θα περιλαμβανει αφθονο21:06
DrainBamagedWhich was Ο χορος θα περιλαμβανει αφθονο21:06
DrainBamagedOr O xoros tha perilamvanei afthono21:06
DrainBamagedComes back as 'The chorus will include plenty'21:06
DrainBamagedI think I've solved my own mystery :D21:06
pahartikDrainBamaged: Very good21:07
dunphttp://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/07/28/1354211/lots-of-people-really-want-slideout-keyboard-phones-where-are-they21:08
wazdwhen you see something ending with "os" - that's totally greek :D21:08
wazddunp: I agree21:08
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wazdbut looks like all of a sudden we're up to something in that department21:09
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