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lainwir3dhi07:41
BasilSemuonovhow long usually harbour QA lasts?07:44
AL13N_workdon't the harbour page says 48h ?07:44
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BasilSemuonovi guess thats a stub07:45
Hartzi48h minus weekends?07:46
AL13N_workprobably 48 working hours07:46
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AL13N_workbut this being vacation...07:46
tbrsounds like 2-3 business days07:47
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iekku2 business days, max08:10
iekkuif there's something unclear we contact developer08:10
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iekkuBasilSemuonov, has your app been longer in queue?08:11
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BasilSemuonoviekku, second business day is today (excluding sat and sun). submited on thu (late evening).08:21
Temeare Android notifications supposed to show up in the lock screen?08:22
iekkuBasilSemuonov, could you please tell your apps name, i will check what is the situation08:22
Temethey show up (from Skype) when i open notifications screen - but they don't show in the lock screen08:22
Temewhich is kinda weird... i also can't see "Account needs to be updated" or "Update available" in the lock screen... but for example SMS notification and missed call show normally08:23
tbrTeme: it depends on how the notification is sent. depending on some parameters it might or might not show up on the lock screen or on the notification screen.08:25
tbrTeme: if this is intended for aliendalvik or just a bug, is a good question though08:25
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Temei would very much like to see Skype notifications on the lock screen, just as SMS are shown now... it's essentially the same thing :P08:33
Temebut i wonder about the "Account needs to be updated" - that used to show up on lock screen, too08:33
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chem|stmy SGSIII moded Qi receiver is to large, guess I need a custom printed TOH after all... will test some others as soon as I have them but I doubt that thei fit either09:37
chem|sts/large/thick/09:37
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tbrchem|st: the only problem I had was the connection "blocks". was trivial to remove them with a soldering iron. the added height makes the ToH slightly curved in the back but is not a problem09:46
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Anz_Insmat flip case for Jolla: does it have openings for the ear-loudspeaker and notification LED? (not shown on the illustration in SJC)09:59
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walokraNo. check my pics from: http://verteksi.net/soks/2014/06/24/pikatesti-insmatin-suojalaukku-jollalle/10:07
chem|sttbr: I could not get it down to connection points, and sadly they manufactured it in two pieces, the coil is stuck on a thick sheet and cannot be removed without ripping it in pieces10:08
chem|sts/connection points/TOH holding brakets/10:09
tbrah, ok10:10
chem|stthis sheet is adding to the resistors and stuff10:10
tbrthe "thick sheet" could be a ferrite reflector10:10
chem|stso it is like a 3rd mm to thick10:10
chem|sttbr: no it is the other side, the reflectorsheet is that thin that I rip it in tiny pieces by just touching it10:11
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tbrah, ok10:12
chem|stthe reflector is about kitchen Al-foil10:12
chem|stwith a carbon-powder coating or alike10:12
tbrinteresting10:12
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chem|stthe electronics side is a pvc-coated cu foil, rather thin itself - that is glued to the lets-call-it-cover sheet... let me find a picture...10:14
chem|sthttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/QI-Wireless-Ladegeraet-Receiver-Adapter-Fuer-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-SIII-S-III-BC219-/00/s/NzAwWDEyMDA=/z/hjAAAOxyUgtTMTj0/$_58.JPG10:15
chem|ston of the cover sheets is really just a cover, easily detached, the other has the coil stuck to it10:16
chem|stfor steampunk sake I was thinking about just drilling holes into TOHs and attache it from the outside... but I only have 30€ TOH I wont drill holes into...10:18
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chem|stotoh I wanted to have the Qi receiver stuck to the phone, not to a TOH...10:19
tbr:)10:20
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chem|sthttp://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1795756.pdf10:25
chem|stthat is the smallest I found til today10:25
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rubdosI contacted my phone operator and they're telling me my phone usage is counted correctly at their side. How can I see which application costed me 2 gigabytes of mobile data in 6 days time? :P10:42
tbrI don't think sailfish does accounting for that10:43
tbryou could try tcpdump or observe the traffic otherwise, e.g. on wifi10:44
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chem|strubdos: mitakuluu? my sister is trying to find out what is causing huge mobile-data too10:47
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Anz_walokra: thanks. but insmat.fi displays it differently: http://www.insmat.fi/_thumbs/wManage/images/products/800x600_711285_650-2088c.jpg10:48
Anz_walokra: btw, nice reviews! though in Finnish, bookmarking verteksi.net :)10:50
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Temei like who "aaargh" is in the wordcloud for verteksi :D11:10
Temehow*11:10
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walokraAnz_: they have updated the cover, i see12:20
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Anz_walokra: but i guess they don't ship out of Finland?12:21
ecloud_mjones: missed your ping on Friday12:21
walokraAnz_: insmat doesn't sell directly so you can find if from retailer like verkkokauppa.com (they show the old picture)12:22
mjonesecloud_: np. we seem to exist exactly 12hrs apart12:22
ecloud_shouldn't be that much12:23
ecloud_about MouseArea or something else?12:23
mjonesecloud_: the mouse multitouch change looks good, apart from a couple of things12:23
mjonesecloud_: I had a lot of trouble with the Flickable one though12:24
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ecloud_well after your patch it is hard to rebase12:24
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mjonesecloud_: I thought there was very little overlap12:25
ecloud_it was working OK before in the things I tested12:25
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mjonesecloud_: I tested without my change, in case that was the problem, but I had the same issues12:26
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mjonesecloud_: this is all applied against 5.2, though. So I wouldn't rule out that as a cause12:27
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ecloud_the issues you wrote about on gerrit?12:27
mjonesyes12:27
mjonesfor the Flickable change12:27
ecloud_"If I try to move a Flickable with two fingers" - I don't think I tried that12:27
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ecloud_well except on OSX, then it's wheel events12:28
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mjonesthat is the main use case for multitouch Flickable for me12:28
mjonesthat and "two finger running" flicking12:28
ecloud_you want to require two fingers for flicking?12:29
mjonesnot require, but it should act sensibly if you do12:29
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ecloud_yeah12:32
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ecloud_"MouseAreas within the Flickable stuck pressed after I've released all touches"12:37
ecloud_which got stuck, the Flickable or one MouseArea or more than one?12:38
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mjonesthe MouseArea remained pressed12:41
mjonesone of them12:41
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mjonesI think I was able to make others stick by doing more flicks12:42
mjonesThis was a ListView of MouseAreas12:42
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mjonesMouseArea delegates, that is12:43
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mjonesecloud_: I'm afk now. I'll check for changes to test tomorrow12:46
ecloud_OK I can try that12:46
ecloud_why is 2-finger flicking important?12:46
mjonespeople do it12:47
ecloud_because of having a PinchArea inside, or because users will want to intuitively?12:47
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mjonesIt's fine if only one makes it move. At the moment it bounces around12:47
ecloud_and before it only handled mouse events so touches in excess of the one that emulated the mouse would be ignored12:48
mjonesSometimes its misguided pinching. I think mostly that other systems allow it, so they try it12:48
mjonesyes, if we simply ignore the touch after a mouse then that will do for now12:48
mjonesThe running fingers is common for flicking through long lists though12:49
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ecloud_two fingers together seems to work OK12:50
ecloud_"running" doesn't build up much velocity12:51
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ecloud_but the relationship between screen size, resolution and the velocity scaling and limits needs work anyway12:53
mjonesyep12:53
ecloud_do you still feel bad about having touch support in MouseArea?12:54
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ecloud_if we could get TouchArea done this week maybe that's somehow better... but I was also thinking either way it is handling something more than what its name indicates12:55
mjonesI wish we could leave it just handling mouse and implement TouchArea.12:55
ecloud_if TouchArea handles mouse too, how is that better than having MouseArea also handle touch?12:55
mjonesA mouse has buttons and a single pointer. The API doesn't fit touches at all.12:56
mjonesBut a click of the left mouse button can be considered a touch12:56
mjonesfor the sake of having something that works across devices12:57
AL13N_workcall it *InputArea* instead :-)12:57
mjonesMaybe, but perhaps a little too general12:58
ecloud_yeah too general, input includes keyboards12:58
w00t_ecloud_: not meaning to sound judgemental or anything.. but why is it worth rushing something for 5.4 if there's a better alternative that can be done for 5.5 with time to spare?12:59
ecloud_it's not really rushing, this has been in the works for a long time13:00
AL13N_worktouch can have multiple coordinates for multiple fungers, and if people run vnc or whatnot, they could actually have a seperate mouse... isn't it therefor better to have a general InputArea ?13:00
ecloud_"input" means keyboard, tablet, foot pedal, joystick, steering wheel, voice, etc.13:01
mjonesPointerArea may be better13:01
ecloud_and for that IMO we need to refactor the events themselves to have a QPointingEvent13:02
ecloud_then we could get rid of a lot of duplicate code13:02
AL13N_workthat would be great13:02
AL13N_workbut maybe too much work13:02
ecloud_the trouble is that QTouchEvent is a compound event containing multiple touch points13:02
mjonesyeah, that was a bad decision13:03
ecloud_so it makes sense for one touch point to have a common ancestor like QPointingEvent, but touch points are not events in today's architecture... the whole touch gesture is represented by a QTouchEvent13:03
w00t_ecloud_: if you're talking about pushing a behaviour change in now to meet the feature freeze while admitting that maybe a different type would be better, then to me, that's rushing13:03
mjonesmakes filtering impossible13:03
AL13N_worksounds like qt needs some adjustments13:03
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AL13N_workor even X or Wayland13:04
w00t_and yeah, the difference between mouse and touch events is a horrible one13:04
ecloud_w00t_: just being pragmatic otherwise nothing gets done13:04
ecloud_and MouseArea is the one already in use everywhere... getting every widget set to switch to TouchArea would be another push13:04
AL13N_workecloud_: you could have PointerArea and have MouseArea and TouchArea be subclasses13:05
ecloud_mjones: so you think each touch point should be its own event?  I thought maybe there was a reason not to, because sometimes you want to understand that they are all part of one gesture rather than handling each finger separately13:05
w00t_you're right, but enabling touch on them is still a push, now ;)13:06
ecloud_currently we don't have a behavior change because the multiTouchEnabled is false by default13:06
mjonesecloud_: I have on occasion wanted to filter out a single touchpoint in an event. Batching them together disallows that13:06
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* AL13N_work should just shut up, it's not like he cares that much about it anyway13:07
w00t_well, you can still send touch events (or maybe "gesture events" as composite) after sending a pointer event and checking whether or not it's ignored13:08
mjonesWhatever happens with MouseArea now, I still want TouchArea to happen, mostly for the scoping13:08
w00t_..maybe13:08
ecloud_ok that's good to know that you don't have a problem with each touch point being an event, because that means we could also treat multiple mice similarly13:09
ecloud_then there's really not much difference13:09
ecloud_but maybe someday there will be some hardware or drivers which can distinguish multiple hands, so maybe you'd want to know that a set of touch points belonged to the same user13:09
mjonesI don't. Someone else may have a very good reason for the way it is now13:10
mjonestrue, but I'd use some kind of tag for that13:10
ecloud_yeah13:10
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mjonesok, I really have to go now13:11
ecloud_do you think we could get TouchArea done this week?13:11
mjonesno13:11
ecloud_I think if we try to get the Flickable change in first, there is a problem with hitting the mouse emulation path13:12
mjonesI think we should take our time and try out a few different ways of doing scoping13:12
ecloud_that's the main reason MA needs to handle touch13:12
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mjonessuits me13:13
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rubdoschem|st, what is mitakuluu? Release 1.0.8? yes, indeed. Is your sister in this channel? We could team up...15:48
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attahkimmoli: it's aaaliiiive!18:54
attah...and i was only banging my head on the desk for 10 minutes :)18:55
kimmoli??18:55
kimmoliwhy banging?18:56
attahset out to build the rpm and then put it over manually, since i had lost the setup for my phone18:56
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kimmoliaaa18:57
attahbut i couldn't get it actually packaged outside of the deployment process18:57
attahprobably pebkac18:57
kimmoli?18:57
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kimmolii noticed that in some point i did loose .spec file completely18:58
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kimmolii had only yaml there. which i get rid of. and at same time noticed that spec was not in repo, and made reset hard18:58
attahonce i set up my phone in qt creator i saw rpm packaging output.. but not otherwise18:58
attahwell i pulled just earlier today18:58
kimmolihmm. i only use ARM release target, and install rpm over windows share18:59
kimmolino copying18:59
attahi guess i'll figure out eventually.. but since auto-deployment works just fine.. it's pretty minor imho19:00
attahand the important thing is: it works!19:01
attahand while i haven't done any advanced tests.. it does look to be just what i wanted19:02
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kimmoligood. avoid airflow to sensor. i use it for playing around more than for anything usefull :p19:18
attahairflow?19:18
kimmoliremember that we have dedicated channel for this stuff :p19:18
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attahyou mean priv or sailfishos?19:19
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kimmoli##kimmoli-tohs :p19:20
attahthat's news to me xD19:20
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sail0ri need help. i dont know how to setting up my mail account on the mail app. the settings in thunderbird works fine...20:32
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inteHello21:19
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intesometimes the jolla sound daemon seems to crash21:19
intei dont have any sounds e.g. in videos, free speaking etc.21:20
inteis that a known bug?21:20
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