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sharpneliOh Jolla03:46
sharpneliI went to Vancouver03:46
sharpneliI had time autosync on03:46
sharpneliJolla displayed time that is 3 hours wrong. It selected toronto timezone03:46
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walokrait showed your internal clock :)07:08
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* Stskeeps returns from his summer vacation08:25
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Morpog_PC\o/08:26
Stskeepsi even have a tan by now08:26
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Morpog_PCI never get a tan, I just turn red :D08:27
Stskeepswellll08:27
Stskeepsit certainly burnt quite a bit08:27
Stskeeps:P08:27
Morpog_PC:D08:27
Stskeeps2 hours in the sun -> massive sunburn on my back08:27
Morpog_PCi know the feeling08:28
Stskeepsi should get out more08:29
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Stskeepsartemma: just got back to my home desk, will review your endurance when i'm back at work truly on tuesday08:32
Stskeepssorry for delay, my laptop got stolen while on holiday08:32
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artemmaStskeeps: thx08:34
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artemmaand sorry for the event - it sucks :/08:34
Stskeeps(my precioussssss s10-3t)08:34
artemmaI hope everythign was encrypted and insurance kicked in08:34
Stskeepsyeah, well, nothing useful on it and sadly not, but it practically had gift value08:34
artemmaI have much longer endurance results by now and some more comments too, but no time to upload now..08:35
Stskeepsit was from meego conference in dublin08:35
Stskeepsnod08:35
Yanielinteresting sudden shutdowns again08:35
artemmaGood that you came back, I was almost going to throw my Jolla at the wall: can't tolerate the frozen bitch anymiore08:35
Yaniela sudden shutdown out of the blue, booted the phone just to see it shut down again08:36
Stskeepsartemma: i'm looking forward to dive into them, i can understand your frustration08:36
Yanielbooted again, it shut down and rebooted itself08:36
Yanielshortly showed 4% battery and shut down again08:36
Yaniel(it had shown 50% before)08:36
Morpog_PCYaniel, remove battery, press power button, wait a few minutes08:36
Morpog_PCinsert battery, boot up08:37
Yanieland when I booted it again, 50% battery again08:37
Stskeepsartemma: does it often happen while mobile, or when static? also, latest update?08:37
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artemmaStskeeps: I noticed one particular pattern (no, it doesn't happen always by often). Jolla is a little slow, I lock it with key, screen goes black. Then I try unlocking wiuth key and after a sec of delay I get red led flashing (sometimes green after it), unlock happenes some 2-5 sec later and phone is much slower08:37
artemmaStskeeps: whats static?08:37
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artemmareboot fixes situation at least a little usually08:39
AL13Nartemma: i've had this before, iinm that's the UI hanging, and when it gets resolved, for some reason it'll soon do that again... the best way is to reboot, i don't have it that often, but now and then again08:40
Stskeepsartemma: as in 'in one location'08:41
artemmaAL13N: I suspect that something gets disconnected on my jolla often on HW level (SIM card?) and phone has to reconnect often. Then SW stack fails to reconnect everything and some resources/CPU processing around them keeps hanging08:41
AL13Nno, i doubt that's related08:42
artemmaStskeeps: yes, happens when I just stay at home too. But way more often when I chaneg location08:42
AL13Nit's probably more to do with memory shortage, or some app and/or UI misbehaving and using too much memory08:42
AL13Nor the the UI having deadlock from a race condition08:43
artemmaAt some point I was linking it to mem use clearly (start browser, instagram, email, jolla - slowness guaranteed), but maybe it was just network related08:44
artemmaJolla fights against my sport nowadays :)08:45
artemmaMy gym is located in my building (small and bad one, but it's in my building - I just take elevator to 1st floor!)08:45
artemmaAnd I like playing music from my Jolla to my bluetooth speakers when practicing08:46
artemmaproblem is that travel in home wifi -> steel elevator -> mobile data generates roughly exactly same lentgth of freezing period as my training08:47
artemmathat doesn't tell good about my training length..08:47
Stskeepsartemma: okay, sounds connectivity related somehow08:50
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artemmaor it could be about connectivity *as well* :D08:50
Morpog_PCfinally younited for jolla08:53
Morpog_PCoh, it's the old announcement :(08:54
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* artemma things zzste was telling on twitter something about continuing work with fsecure09:01
artemma*thinks*09:02
artemmathat was about 1-2 months ago09:02
artemmathough in honesty I am not sure why fsecure would care abt delivering younited exactly for jolla except for marketing reasons09:02
Stskeepsartemma: i hate to ask this but can you try some hours in airplane mode?09:04
artemmaStskeeps: I actually can, just not on the weekend09:05
artemmaoffice time okay?09:05
Stskeepsyes09:05
artemmajust tell what exactly to do09:05
artemmain fact, it switches to arplane mode on it's own sometimes anyway :)09:05
Stskeepsuhh :P09:05
artemmaI notice it by a connection dialog appearing and at least couple of times I went to settings and noticed it can't connect to gsm net09:06
artemmafor something like a minute09:06
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Kiranos11days and no reboot since I turned of wifi and only use mobile data09:26
Kiranoselse it could reboot very often when there was either bad reception on wifi or 2g/3g switch09:27
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Kiranosnow its been stable09:27
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Kiranoswill see when I go to work tomorrown and I use the phone on different locations more often09:27
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chem|sthmm my lock-screen ambience-switcher seems gone... this is lipstick right?09:47
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Stskeepsmake sure to have 2 favourite ambiences09:50
chem|stStskeeps: only the lock-screen switcher!09:51
Stskeeps... lock screen switcher?09:51
chem|stambience-switcher09:51
Stskeeps(sorry, vacation brain still..)09:51
chem|sthehe09:51
Stskeepsmy e-mail is overflowing :(09:52
chem|stso it seems gone for good, restarting lipstick did nothing09:52
Stskeeps3rd party patch?09:53
chem|stnot that I remember09:53
chem|stI had patchmanager installed before it got flashed09:54
chem|stbut I think I never installed it after I got it from care09:54
chem|stI reboot now, will see what happens then09:55
Stskeepswell, good to double check09:55
chem|stnope does not show09:56
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chem|stwhat is the path to the config file for that so I can check if I was stupid?09:57
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chem|sthmm my bash historz shows nothing special for after when I had trouble with thumbnails and that was something I recognized from lock-screen-ambience-switcher10:00
chem|stafterwards I removed simkit and activated persistence for journald10:01
chem|stdeactivating all ambiences so the switcher gets deactivated and set them again did not help either...10:05
Stskeepsdid you favourite them?10:05
chem|styes 5 items10:06
chem|stI do have the switcher at the home-screen though10:06
Skorpy^10:10
Skorpysame goes for me. after last update, the switcher has not been available from lockscreen10:10
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TMavicastskeeps: any idea i cant log in Jolla shop ?10:12
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StskeepsTMavica: no sorry, not my area10:13
TMavicaok10:13
Stskeepsmail care@ perhaps or any listed e-mails10:13
Stskeepsi'm first truly back on tuesday10:13
TMavicai guess u in Hong kong, lol10:16
chem|stStskeeps: did you stay home with you family or did you really go for vacation? offline?10:16
chem|stSkorpy: hmm I had it available but now it is gone10:17
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coderusambience page was disabled on lockscreen. it's feature. read release notes.10:29
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Stskeepschem|st: 1 week at the beach in poland, 1 week in denmark11:40
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Stskeepschem|st: laptop got stolen in first week so i was reasonably offline11:40
Stskeeps:P11:40
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gogetaStskeeps: i'm sorry stskeeps11:42
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Stskeepsso it goes11:47
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gogetaI hope everything was backuped and encrypted ?11:50
Morpog_PCit wasn't11:51
chem|stcoderus: as if I read release notes... and WTF!11:51
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Morpog_PCread log ;)11:51
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svuorelaStskeeps: you were in denmark and didn't say hi? *sadface*.11:57
pXdhi :)11:57
pXdnice to see that there are so many ppl on this channel.11:59
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pXdi have a question, do you ppl know whether jolla will release a new phone/hardware soon? i would really like to get a jolla-phone, so i'm not 100% sure if i should get it right away or whether i should wait a bit for a new device with "better" specs.12:02
PeperJohnnyMy best guess would be sometime next year.12:03
svuorelaI want a tablet sizedthing12:04
PeperJohnnywould be nice to have12:04
pXdPeperJohnny: ah, i see. well, i don't want to wait that long ;) so i will get the first revision instead.12:04
pXd350€ is an acceptable price anyways.12:05
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pXdanother question: is the exchange-support of sailfish os actually useable?12:08
PeperJohnnyIt works, however i have problems with rules that put emails in some folders and apparently Jolla won't look in to them for new messages. But to be fair, I didn't try to resolve this one yet12:08
pXdi see. yeah, i experienced that issue with older versions of android as well, no big deal i could live with that. more important to me is that the calender and contact-sync works in both ways.12:10
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PeperJohnnyCalender works like a charm. contactwise i cannot give an exact answer as my we had an exchange crash and it could have messed up my contacts as well ;)12:12
pXdsince how long you are using jolla/sailfish so far, btw? and which mobile os did you use before?12:13
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PeperJohnnySince dec2013 and i had a n900 before12:14
Stskeepssvuorela: since i'm danish it's a bit tight to even fit my family into a week ;)12:14
PeperJohnnySo I'm pretty forgiving in terms of errors ;)12:14
pXdah, cool. i have been using android for the last 5-6 years. but now it's time for something new. i love linux and i really like the open-approach of sailfish.12:16
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pXdssh-access out of of the box is awesome. :)12:17
PeperJohnnyyep =)12:18
Yanieland ssh access into the box too12:19
pXd^^12:19
Yaniel(pun intended)12:19
PeperJohnnyworks way better than mtp and linux^^12:19
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svuorelaStskeeps: oh. I wasn't aware of that. why have all our private chats in the past then been in engrish? :)12:20
Stskeepssvuorela: i'm much better technically in english :P12:24
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chem|stsvuorela: nexus 7 2012 is 160eur refurbished...12:53
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fluxis there any chance jolla's android-stack will support android Bluetooth4 interfaces with current hardware?13:25
fluxor, would it be possible for a party external to Jolla provide that support..13:26
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AL13N_jolla_iow: you want to know if it's possible in software?13:41
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nochI am trying to order Jolla smartphone,(I hope it will be deliveried in two weeks, otherwise it won't reach my friend in Belgium), and it suggests me the _white_ color of the other half. Can I choose some other default color? Not from additional other halves, but one of defaults? Cannot find the way to do it.15:09
Yanielat the moment, no15:10
nochwow15:10
nochwhen it'll be possible? was it possible before?15:10
Sail0rit was never possible15:10
nochbut I felt I know that people were receiving Jolla's with default green, or pink other halves, not the white one. They were making photos of it.15:11
nochand those colors are not available online as an additional option.15:12
nochmay be it's just an impression, trying to find this on the net.15:12
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Sail0rI think everybody receives it with the white one15:13
Sail0rand they just swap it15:13
Sail0reven the first ones were sent out with the white and the first one15:13
nochi remember the green other half. not aloe.15:13
nochwow.15:13
Sail0rthere was never a green one for public15:13
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noch(:15:14
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nochokay, can I get it tax free?15:17
Sail0rI think no15:18
nochor a ticket to get the tax back at the airport?15:18
tbrI don't think so15:19
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chem|stcoderus: ehrm did you mean the bug that was solved? I cannot find any changlog saying that the ambience-switcher got removed15:29
nochok, it suggests fedex for 15 euros, 2-4 days for delivery. otherwise delivery won't take more than two weeks right?15:29
chem|stif it is on stock and fedex is not doing funny stuff with it... it will take about 4 days15:32
nochi mean without checking that option.15:32
noch(:15:32
nochw/o fedex services15:33
chem|stwhat is the option without fedex? shipped by drone?15:35
tadziknoch: white is the one you get for free15:39
tadzikyou can pay extra for a fancy other half, or buy it from a 3rd party15:39
tadzikor take a spraypaint and turn your Snow White into whatever you want :)15:39
nochthank you, yes, I already get it. but when I buy it, there is an option to check - to pay 15 euro to fedex. it's optional. I would like to know how it'll be deliveried without fedex, if I don't pay those 15 euros.15:40
tadzikah, I don't think you can avoid that15:41
tadzikif you don't want to pay 15€, you can google for "jolla discount code" :D15:41
tadzikbeen there, done that, worked15:41
nochwow15:41
tadziksee also: every other shop and every other electronics you ever buy15:42
tadzikthere's always a discount code somewhere15:42
nochwow15:42
nochthank you15:42
tadzikyou're welcome15:43
tadzikotoh, if you're already paying 349€, 15€ is a joke amount compared to that :)15:43
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tadzik4%, if my math is right15:43
ln-would you like to send 15€ to my paypal account as a joke?15:45
tadziknot unless I'm about to send 349€ to it15:45
tadzikwhat I mean is, I don't see how it's a big deal to pay the horrendous amount of 15€ when you're already paying 349€15:46
tadzikit's not like getting a mechanical keyboard shipped from the US, where shipping costs basically double the price15:46
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nochtadzik: do you know anything about tax free check then? the tax is 71 euro, which is more than 15.15:49
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tadziknoch: heh, no idea15:49
tadzikbut I don't remember paying an additional 71€ tax, in fact I'm pretty sure I did not15:49
nochI had an impression that it's included in the 349 price.15:50
smoku_workAFAIK there is no tax-free shipping.  usually you pay the full price, and then apply for tax-return at your customs office15:55
pXdhmm, inside/within the EU there shouldn't be any additional taxes.15:55
nochsmoku_work: yes, but you get a ticket from the seller. special tax free coupon.15:56
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smoku_worknoch: never heard of such thing.  in Poland the standard invoice from the seller is enough.16:00
smoku_work(it has to be translated, but not notarialy, so I'm doing the translations myself ;-)16:01
nochsmoku_work: thank you. do you receive such an invoice from Jolla with phone?16:02
smoku_worknoch: yes16:03
nochthank you.16:03
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coderuschem|st: em, what?16:36
coderusyou just cant switch ambience from lockscreen, you can switch it from tasks only16:37
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chem|stcoderus: yes I can switch it from home-screen only17:30
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chem|stand yes it seems to be a "feature", at least people think it is one from last upgrade, but it is not in the changelog17:31
coderusokay, then i saw it from some of sailors (about "feature" status of this change)17:32
chem|stand I just did not recognize until lately as after entering the lock-code you end up on home-screen anyways... hopefully they come up with a combined settings-ambience-screen as the settings favourites are something I actually do not want to toggle by choosing an ambience17:35
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kimmolihmm.. seems that it is possible that lockcode gets corrupted..17:51
kimmolihad to reboot before it was accepted17:52
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rubdosPeople using K-9 as mailclient on Jolla?18:03
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