#jollamobile log for Friday, 2014-08-22

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madkGuys when will I be able to buy this device in Canada!?01:40
madkI want one so badly!01:40
madkWhy don't they just organise shipping here. :(01:41
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Acceget a nexus 5 and install sailfish on that.. it's still alpha on n5 though02:18
Umeaboymadk: Ask any store in your area to become a reseller of it. ;)02:30
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madkI was thinking that Acce03:12
madkDoes Nexus 4 run it?03:12
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madkSo it does. Found one for $70. I'll think about picking it up.03:13
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madkIs anyone working on a really sweet camera TOH?03:23
madkI saw the infrared thing.03:23
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louisdkI thinks it soon time to send my Jolla in for repair.03:54
madkSend it to me ;)04:00
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AcceI haven't seen anything else than the IR and macro lens TOHs04:13
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Nicd-veskuh_: Jolla browser crashes when visiting a page which replies with header 'Location tel://something' (but works if it's 'Location: tel:something'). I think the // is invalid but of course shouldn't crash browser - https://plus.google.com/u/1/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/W3E2NhKr3fG06:34
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dr_gogeta86hi Nicd-06:39
Nicd-hi dr_gogeta8606:39
dr_gogeta86today btrfs is my fault of the days06:39
dr_gogeta86( since yesterday )06:39
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dr_gogeta86any person here responsible for kernel ?06:42
Nicd-linus is not here, I'm afraid :)06:43
dr_gogeta86hahahah06:44
dr_gogeta86i got many errors on btrfs driver06:44
veskuh_nicd, thanks, I'll file a bug.06:45
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dr_gogeta86hi veskuh_06:46
veskuh_dr_gogeta86, hi06:46
Nicd-veskuh_: and of course that first Location should have : after it, it was left out by mistake06:46
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dr_gogeta86veskuh_: you know why especially on facebook mobile06:51
dr_gogeta86while scrolling everything became whibly whobly06:51
Nicd-thimey whimey06:52
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veskuh_dr_gogeta86, I'm not exactly sure what do you mean. Do you mean scrolling the main feed up and down, and that it isn't smooth or something else?06:54
dr_gogeta86not at all06:54
dr_gogeta86especially images06:54
dr_gogeta86are like repeated06:55
dr_gogeta86and glitched06:55
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veskuh_dr_gogeta86, I'm not sure if I have seen that one. Can you take a screenshot and post somewhere?06:56
dr_gogeta86i need to photograph it06:56
ln-how about just taking a screenshot06:56
dr_gogeta86now i'm rescuing06:57
dr_gogeta86i got bad btrfs state06:57
dr_gogeta86can't do rebalance anymore06:57
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coderushello veskuh_ !07:09
coderushow is your vacation?07:09
veskuh_coderus, It was great, been back at work for couple of weeks now.07:09
coderusjust for couple of weeks? nice. vacation should must go on!07:10
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veskuh_coderus, I think I took 5 weeks of vacation so it was quite good length, but of course longer would have been even better :)07:13
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Stskeepsyaawn08:05
dr_gogeta86hi master08:05
dr_gogeta86btrfs strikes again08:05
Stskeepsstar wars?08:05
Stskeeps:P08:05
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dr_gogeta86no ..  worse08:08
dr_gogeta86now seems stop rebalancing via recovery avoid reboots for now08:08
dr_gogeta86there was many kernel oops on every btrfs tasks08:08
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dr_gogeta86i'm really scared08:10
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pp_hmpf, I'm started to get worried, mailed my jolla to optima service on wednesday morning, still not in their system08:16
pp_#€%#€%€% itella08:16
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pp_s/itella/Posti Group/08:17
ln-did you mail it in a letter without tracking?08:18
pp_yep :(08:18
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pp_gave it to the post office lady since it was too big to fit in a mailbox08:19
pp_wrong place to save money, I guess :-)08:19
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ln-yeah, that's what they instruct you to do, but i didn't want to risk it and used the option with tracking... and didn't pay anything for it.08:20
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pp_yep, suppose I could have used the parcel option just fine08:20
pp_oh well08:20
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Stskeepsit's a faenil08:32
faenilguess who's back08:32
faenilahah08:32
ruskiehehe08:32
faenilnot from my own pc, but still :)08:33
faenilso, how's life here people?08:34
pp_optima hasn't seen it :(08:35
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SK_workfaenil: did you solved your hdd issue ?08:36
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SK_workor is it TODO or in progress ?08:36
faenilSK_work: I bought a new hdd, will set it up on Sunday, when I'll be back08:37
SK_workabout data backuping ?08:37
SK_workah08:37
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SK_worksince you don't have second hdd, no data backup I'm silly08:38
SK_work:D08:38
faenilwell, I still don't have a secondary hdd, so I have nowhere to backup08:38
faenilSK_work: eheh08:38
SK_workyeah, just found out this when writing the question08:38
SK_work:D08:38
faenil:)08:39
faenilSK_work: but I'm happy that I bought the fastest mechanical one in the end, for a cheap price :)08:41
faenilshould make quite a difference :)08:41
SK_workfaenil: which one ?08:42
faenilHitachi travelstar 7k100008:42
dr_gogeta86aka deathstar08:42
faenilhaha08:43
faenilis that supposed to be good or bad? :p08:43
dr_gogeta86tends to be delicate08:43
Jopeout of curiosity, how many other ibm/hitachi product lines than the ancient 75GXP suffered from epidemic failure08:44
Jopedon't want to be a joke ruiner, but to me there was only one "deathstar" and that waas the 75GXP .. and that was a decade ago or something..08:44
faenildr_gogeta86: really? the notebook version (which is the one I bought) is said to have the highest reliability in the industry08:44
dr_gogeta86is industrial version ?08:45
faenilno?08:45
dr_gogeta86those adressed for nas or industrial grade operating temperature08:45
dr_gogeta86i don't trust no one in that industry08:45
dr_gogeta86i've got some chepo hdd running since 200608:46
faenilwell, fingers crossed for me then ;)08:46
dr_gogeta8624X708:46
dr_gogeta86and other nas grade failed08:46
faenilhaha08:46
dr_gogeta86shit happenz08:46
faenilthe 60gb hdd in my old HP desktop has been running 2002 - 2013  :D08:47
faenilI was like wtf08:47
dr_gogeta86faenil: meanwhile i swear http://instagram.com/p/r-ClUqp86x/08:48
faenilwow08:48
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SK_workI had an hitachi drive (don't know model), and it was the only one to broke08:51
SK_work(so I'm not trusting this brand anymore)08:51
faenilthanks for the support guys :D08:51
SK_work(sorry faenil :s)08:51
dr_gogeta86faenil: is not for moral support08:51
dr_gogeta86is our experience with consumer products08:52
faenilyeah but as Jope says, maybe with "old" ones?08:52
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dr_gogeta86i've got a apple branded hdst08:52
dr_gogeta86i was hitted by a car08:52
dr_gogeta86died after two year08:52
dr_gogeta86so if you wanna something reliable with actual prices08:53
dr_gogeta86i'm going to ssd08:53
SK_workfaenil: mine was pretty old08:53
dr_gogeta86was 201008:53
JopeI've had almost every brand of HD fail on me :-)08:54
Jopeyou can't trust any hd08:54
Jopemake backups instead like everyone has been chanting since the 80s08:54
faenilJope: that needs a secondary hdd or a fast internet connection08:55
faenilI don't have either :P08:55
faenilso...we'll postpone that :D08:55
dr_gogeta86WDC WD5000LPVT-108:55
dr_gogeta86this is mine08:55
dr_gogeta86slow08:55
dr_gogeta86but silent08:55
Jopeoptical drive?08:56
Jopetape? :-)08:56
dr_gogeta86hdd08:56
dr_gogeta86tape are not reliable at all08:56
dr_gogeta86was a legend08:56
dr_gogeta86try to restore an LTO-2 nowadays08:56
faenildr_gogeta86: mine (the one that failed) was WD5000BEVT08:56
dr_gogeta86LP stand for low profile08:56
faeniland it had too aggressive parking policies, which made it fail08:56
dr_gogeta86sdparm is your friend08:57
dr_gogeta86on winzoz every time finish to load a page with chrome08:57
dr_gogeta86clang08:57
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coderusveskuh_: here?09:41
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coderusis there any way to clean components js cache from UI?09:41
veskuh_coderus, yep09:41
coderusif we update  textselectionhandler with disabled snap users sill have old one in cache09:42
veskuh_coderus, I always just rm ~/.mozilla09:43
coderusbut how to tell users to do it? :)09:43
veskuh_coderus, update does cleanup under some conditions09:43
coderusprobably cach clean should remove components cache too?09:44
coderuscache*09:44
coderusok, sure09:44
coderusbut still09:44
veskuh_coderus, I think this triggers cleanup in next startup https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/embedlite-components/blob/master/rpm/embedlite-components-qt5.spec#L5409:44
coderuscurrently clean ccache from settings does not clean components cache, right?09:45
coderusi did patches for patchmanager for enabling text selection and search on page09:45
coderusnow need patch for disabling word snap09:45
coderusand thinking how to tell users to clean components cache :D09:46
veskuh_Maybe patch maker can do touch /var/lib/_MOZEMBED_CACHE_CLEAN_ and then browser should do it.09:47
coderusbtw, can you check it it only looking at /var/lib/_MOZEMBED_CACHE_CLEAN_ or ~/.mozilla/mozembed/_MOZEMBED_CACHE_CLEAN_ too ?09:48
coderusif it*09:49
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dr_gogeta86sledges: i hope not11:42
dr_gogeta86must survive11:43
sledgesso works fine now?;)11:43
dr_gogeta86yep11:44
dr_gogeta86better than before11:44
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TMavicacoderus: thanks12:38
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TMavicacoderus: select text in browser is fail12:39
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Stskeepsartemma: how's it holding up?12:43
artemmaStskeeps: same as yesterday. That particular point with frozen app launcher isn't happening anymore12:47
artemmaand other freezes I would classify as slowness now, not as freezes12:47
artemmakeyboard is typable almost always12:48
coderusTMavica: do:12:48
coderuspatch -p 1 -i /usr/share/patchmanager/patches/sailfish-browser-textselection-patch/unified_diff.patch -d / --dry-run12:48
coderusand check output12:48
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artemmaStskeeps: now biggest issue is probably freezes on network connection change and on camera start (not always, but often)12:49
SK_workcoderus: I think that this is because I didn't released the new patchmanager :P12:51
SK_workwill happen tonight (for sureà12:51
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TMavicacoderus: http://pastebin.com/y9JLmnFn12:54
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dr_gogeta86Nicd-: are you there13:11
dr_gogeta86https://github.com/sialan-labs/sigram13:11
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dr_gogeta86is possible to compile it on sailfishos13:11
dr_gogeta86?13:11
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Nicd-dr_gogeta86: yes, I'm here13:12
Nicd-I have no idea about that13:12
dr_gogeta86pure qt513:12
dr_gogeta86as you did for wireshark13:13
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dr_gogeta86can you try to do so13:13
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Nicd-me?13:14
Nicd-I have never touched wireshark13:14
locusfit was nieldk on twitter13:14
Venemo_wireshark is not that bad13:18
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Aciidwireshark is good for if you dont know what you are looking for13:21
Aciidtcpdump is faster for everything else13:21
dr_gogeta86wireshark was an example of full qt app compiled for sailfish13:22
Aciidah13:22
Aciidsorry13:22
Aciiddidnt read context13:22
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AciidI was trying to compile sigram on qt creator yesterday13:23
Aciidneedless to say didnt bother to start fixing13:23
Aciidcould work on os x qt creator tho13:23
Aciidi tried on windows13:23
Aciidusually everything fails13:23
coderusTMavica: thanks, updated patch, now it should work :)13:32
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TMavicaTHanks13:35
coderusworking13:36
coderus?13:36
TMavicawait, playing Guardian Hunter in my Jolla13:36
TMavicaLOL13:36
coderushey, stop tat!13:37
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TMavicaI am uping level13:37
TMavicagreat game13:37
coderus :|13:38
coderusi'm removing my patch in 1013:38
coderus913:38
coderus813:38
TMavicabut too consume battery...because online13:38
TMavica...13:38
coderus:D13:38
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w00tartemma: haven't noticed any other bad sideeffects from the qtsystems changes?13:40
TMavicacoderus: confirmed it worked13:42
TMavicawhat is mean of disable word snap selection?13:42
coderusTMavica:  when you selecting text it snap to whole word13:43
coderusyou cen select middle of word :)13:43
coderusant't13:43
coderuscan't13:44
TMavicaok13:44
coderuspatch disabling this snapping and you can select middle of word correctly :)13:44
TMavicaunderstood13:45
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artemmaw00t: I didn't notice any new side effects. However, my whole phone is functioning usually so that you could consider it being side effects of something bad13:59
w00tartemma: don't quite get you13:59
artemmae.g. eating battery quickly, troubles starting camera quickly, contactsd going crazy regularly, frozone instagram on scrolling ,etc13:59
artemmastskeeps saw some of that live and he examined something via ssh13:59
artemmaactually I think he saw all of it except for slow camera start14:00
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w00twell yes, but i mean, it's better than before? ;)14:01
artemmayes, clearly better14:02
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artemmaseveral things are clearly better: I can now scroll through app manager, pages switches are animated without freezing in the middle of animation, keyboard mostly doesn't freeze on typing, unlock on double tap suddenly started working every time (or almost every time), most of the time I am now able to swipe apps off to task manager14:04
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Nicd-had a nice problem with the lock screen. got a call, it flashed on the screen for a second and then I was moved to the lock screen with the ringtone playing all the time14:11
Stskeepssmells racey14:11
Nicd-lock screen meaning the lock keypad14:11
Nicd-had to swipe down and click on the "1 call in progress" indicator14:11
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chem|stNicd-: sounds like a "palm" action14:15
captainigloomay i found help here about sailfish os sdk ? I tried to port an app on jolla but i get compilation error, i need some help :)14:16
chem|stI trigger the very right favourites item on home-screen a lot14:16
chem|stcaptainigloo: go #sailfishos14:16
coderuscaptainigloo: just ask14:16
coderusat #sailfishos14:16
captainigloook thanks14:17
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countmoin :)15:55
countI've searched a bit and found a bit, but - what's the status for GPS in Android / Dalvik? should it be working? what about bluetooth?15:55
coderusgps is broken in last version15:58
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coderusits working sometimes not working15:58
coderusbluetooth should work afaik15:58
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sledgeshm, it works fine last time i checked with google maps15:59
sledgestjc link?15:59
sledgeshttps://together.jolla.com/question/45966/bug-android-apps-lose-gps-fix-when-in-background-since-107/ ?16:01
sledgeslooks like it's been mentioned: https://together.jolla.com/question/50316/bug-10819-location-in-android-apps-doesnt-work/16:03
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coderushttps://together.jolla.com/question/50175/release-notes-software-version-10819-tahkalampi/#50175-known-issues16:03
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sledgeswonder why it's intermittent..16:04
sledgeseven native apps, so not myriad problem16:04
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coderusit just failed to initialize16:04
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countweird16:33
countI guess I need to (re)pair the heartrate monitor, then16:34
SK_workcount, the property I need to reimplement in ALL my QML models ;)16:34
countSK_work: huh?16:36
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SK_work:D16:37
SK_worksorry a small joke16:37
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SK_workcount is a property to be implemented in C++ based models to be exposed in QML.16:37
countah. heh.16:38
SK_work:P16:40
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Sailorhello17:29
Sailori want to asj17:29
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Sailorjollaphone how many speakers have ?17:30
Sailori play a song on mèdia and sound came only from the left speaker17:30
Morpog_PCit has only one17:31
Sailorand the right bottom?17:31
Morpog_PCmic17:31
Sailorhmmm17:32
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Sailorok tnk you dude17:32
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Morpog_PChmm, twitter seem sto be down here17:33
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counthmmm, how accurate are GPS positions supposed to be? tried using Ingress (Android), and my location was all over the place19:48
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phdeswercount: pretty accurate, but the android runtime could mess with things..19:59
countokay, what's the best way to debug this properly?19:59
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SpeedEvilcount: go outside naked and hold the phone up to the sky for 12.5 minutes and then get a position20:05
SpeedEvilMore seriously - indoors can seriously degrade positions, even through windows you might think are transparent20:06
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countSpeedEvil: nah, I was outside, under clear sky, no buildings in 10m radius20:09
SpeedEvilreflections from buildings can screw things20:10
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countsame location on iphone is fine20:10
countas in: is suspect software issues. how can I debug those?20:11
countis the timing-critical stuff really done in dalvik?20:11
countI find that hard to believe.20:12
countI'll do the same action with Jolla Maps, forgot do try that.20:12
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coderusfor me location is ok ;)20:16
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ninnnucount: There have been some Jolla-related bans in Ingress, because Alien fails a security check -> "cheater"... And playing with Jolla isn't exactly allowed by TOS ("only Google-approved devices")20:28
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countninnnu: I've been playing with iOS so far, so - meh ;)20:31
* count is basically just exploring the Jolla - only got it this week20:32
ninnnuiOS is officially supported, too20:32
countRunKeeper with Wahoo BlueHR doesn't work, and stuff like that :(20:32
countninnnu: oh, I was using it way before it was supported. maybe I should re-download. hm.20:32
countI'm wondering why some Apps don't appear in the Google Play store20:33
countand for some Apps I can find a webpage linking back to the store - and then the Jolla doesn't open the download/store properly from its own browser :-/20:33
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countI'm more of a taster than a player; but I run regularily20:34
messertingHi, anyone here use owncloud and can successfully sync calendar with their Jolla? Two-way? (ie. more than the initial sync)20:35
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messertingno one, I see...21:01
sledgesno even one out of those handful who read your line:)21:03
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* DrainBamaged1 waves to the sledges o/21:10
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sledgesohoy!21:11
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* sledges waves back :)21:11
DrainBamagedHow was your holiday?21:11
sledgesyou've been ok me ole neighborr?21:11
Shinryuuwit21:11
sledgesshort :))21:11
DrainBamagedYur, good thank you, got me some new work down Shepton to go to each day :D21:12
DrainBamagedShort? Always :P21:12
DrainBamagedHow about you, sledges? Are you well?21:13
sledgesvery well, very busy :)21:14
sledgesworking on Nexus 4 uber release to get out through the door:)21:14
DrainBamagedPlenty to keep you off the streets then.. :D21:14
sledgeswhat's streets? :))21:15
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DrainBamagedAs in to keep you out of mischief21:15
DrainBamaged;)21:15
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sledgesgot you, forgot what street is over past weeks ;)21:16
DrainBamagedrofl21:17
sledgeshere are the photos of our meet (that needs repeat!): https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152266206804195.1073741839.770469194&type=1&l=01647ec7b921:17
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DrainBamagedNice21:19
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DrainBamagedAnd yes, it needs a repeat21:21
sledgesvgrade is in Leeds this week ;)21:21
sledgesneed to poke about :)21:21
sledgesBUT!21:21
sledgeshe and david will be in manchester21:21
sledgesxda:devcon21:21
sledgesreason to go! \o/21:21
DrainBamagedAha21:21
sledges+also another sailor21:22
DrainBamagedFair do's21:22
sledgeslast weekend of sepember21:22
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DrainBamagedCool21:23
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sledgesup4it? ;)21:24
DrainBamagedManchester is likely an overnight stay21:24
DrainBamagedI have my holidays in the second week of September21:24
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DrainBamagedI'll have to see how funds are21:24
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DrainBamagedGo up Friday, back Sunday?21:26
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sledgesyes, early bird discounts are also over21:27
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DrainBamagedok21:37
DrainBamagedI have a feeling I am doing an airport run on that Saturday21:37
DrainBamagedI'll check soon21:37
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DrainBamagedYes, airport run and a family do the Sunday21:46
DrainBamagedI can't go, sledges :(21:46
sledgestoo bad :/21:46
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sledgesbusy dude:)21:47
DrainBamagedYes, indeed21:47
sledgeswell, join the club;)21:47
DrainBamagedI've been in this club for years21:49
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sledges:)21:49
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DrainBamagedOff to sleep, nice to see you sledges22:05
DrainBamagedHave a great bank holiday weekend :D22:05
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sledgeswhat's bank holiday?:)22:06
sledgesyou too bru!22:06
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* uvatvmw <scrollback> .. <scrollback> ... Whats this? a nexus4 user release?!22:18
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uvatvmwoh uber release. nevertheless, colour me interested22:19
uvatvmwsledges: any place other than https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris where I can see whats going on and possibly help?22:20
sledgesuvatvmw: #sailfishos-porters :)22:20
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sledgeschem|st: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=837132706309793&set=gm.689733231116144&type=1&permPage=123:01
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