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Mirvtigeli: saunalahti05:14
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messertingGuys! This is so great, anyone tried the git version?: https://together.jolla.com/question/5008/call-recording-app/#post-id-5832309:39
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* sec pokes messerting 09:44
messertingyo09:44
sec\o09:45
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messertingsec: how does it work?09:47
messertingrecords everything to flac, huge space usage?09:47
messertingis it safe to install/uninstall, or does it mess things up?09:48
secI haven't tried it yet. But it is flac. It will take up more space than lossy alternatives.09:48
secIt doesn't have a UI either. Yet.09:49
messertingI'm happy that it actually is (will be) possible to have call recording on the jolla09:49
secThe developer does say he's waiting for patches to pulseaudio in the next update.09:49
messertingI guess very lossy voice compression would suffice for my purposes09:50
Stskeepsout of morbid curiousity, what do you use those things for? :P09:50
secUnless you're planning to record yourself singing, I doubt you need lossless.09:50
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messertingWhen you make (private) contractual agreements by phone, ie. with a salesman, such recording is of value09:51
Stskeepsfair09:51
secAlways have it on writing!09:51
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messertingYes, but often the agreement is made by phone, the writing comes afterwards, and doesn't always agree with what was said on the phone09:51
messerting(In Norway, we are allowed to make recordings for private conversations, usage of that recording is restricted though)09:52
secI think that's the case everywhere09:53
secAlthough, I've heard of cases where the recording can be legally used IF the other party is also recording09:54
messertingsec: I also think so, but according to the tjc thread some seems to think it is illegal09:54
secI heard a case about a Paypal disposition where such a thing was used by a merchant when Paypal closed his account *apparently* pointlessly09:54
messertinggood point09:55
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secmesserting: It's grey areas like this that make people want to shoot lawyers09:56
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Morpog_PC__in germany you have to inform the other party before you start recording09:59
Morpog_PC__and only record if the other party accepts09:59
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secMorpog_PC__: What if I call up some place where they have this notice that says they're going to record the coversation for whatever retarded purposes. Can you also record then?10:00
Morpog_PC__dunno10:00
secAye, confusing grey areas. Shoot lawyers. Gotcha.10:00
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arnbakwhats the easiest way to debug a data connection, that won't connect ?10:01
messertingMorpog_PC__: What you say applies only to businesses, not private conversations, am I right?10:04
Morpog_PC__nope private too10:04
secarnbak: syslog?10:04
messertingMorpog_PC__: I think you are wrong, but do you have link to a document/site that confirms your claim? This applies to all of EU?10:05
Jonnimesserting: that git repo fails to compile on latest devel :)10:05
Jonnimost likely was some qt5.2 releated compile error, didnt spend much time there, just tested that does it compile.10:07
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Morpog_PC__messerting, ยง 201 StGB10:10
messertingMorpog_PC__: thanks10:13
* messerting brushes dust off my german dictionary...10:13
Morpog_PC__law german, even germans don't really understand it :D10:14
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messertingMorpog_PC__: does this law address eavesdropping on other private conversations, or does it also apply to conversations one self takes part in?10:16
Morpog_PC__to all conversations10:16
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secEavesdropping comes under unauthorized wiretapping laws. Illegal everywhere.10:18
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messertingsec: the "NSA authorized" wiretapping is legal, isn't it? At least in the states, right?10:20
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tigeliMirv: elisa has had some problems in their lte csfb from lte->2g, however upcoming update9 will have enchance jolla try harder to fallback to 3g instead of 2g.15:24
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tigelifor jolla to try..15:29
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pawky|2what am I to use to show a video stream, the SilicaWebView ?16:06
pdanektigeli: I have issues for fallback from 3g to 4g16:07
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pdaneklike, my phones runs on 4g, then I take it to my hands and cause lose of signal --> jumps to 3g --> I leave it again, and it will not jump to 4g any time soon, only after longer time16:08
tigelipdanek: it's up to modem when it does that.. unless you force it to be lte-onlu16:09
Morpog_PC__https://twitter.com/Morpog/status/520968532277100544/photo/116:09
pdanektigeli: how do I force it to LTE-only?16:09
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tigelipdanek: /bin/dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.RadioSettings.SetProperty string:"TechnologyPreference" variant:string:"lte16:11
tigelipdanek: from terminal.. but no calls when you do that :)16:11
Mirvtigeli: oh, interesting, that elisa bit.16:11
pdanektigeli: and how do I disable please? :)16:11
tigelipdanek: /bin/dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.RadioSettings.SetProperty string:"TechnologyPreference" variant:string:"any16:12
tigeli"16:12
Mirvif I'd get even easier setting (to eg notifications screen) for switching between 4G and 3G preferred manually, I'd be quite ok. I only need 4G when tethering.16:12
Mirvor actually it could be really part of the tethering app. enable tethering -> 4G, otherwise no. there is no real sense in LTE around here when only using the mobile device.16:13
tigelii think there's an app to do that on openrepos16:13
pdanekthat's exactly what I need now, 4G all the time16:13
pdanekno calls needed, nothing else16:13
Mirvok, I'll check those16:13
pdanekfor tethering16:13
tigelipdanek: Mirv: https://openrepos.net/content/penguin/radio-switcher16:13
pdanekbut I'm worried that wifi lowers signal of LTE16:13
Mirvtigeli: thanks, I was just copy-paste it as "found" :)16:14
pdanekso I tried the usb tethering app16:14
Mirvlooks good16:14
pdanekwhich creates nat + dhcp server16:14
tigelipdanek: it won't.. but in general usb-tethering is faster16:14
pdanekbut that NAT seems to be only for some ports16:14
pdanekcustom ports don't work16:14
Mirvyeah BT doesn't really work for 4G tethering, it caps somewhere around 1.5MBps :S16:14
Mirvsorry, little 'b'16:15
pdanekso I may need to manually forward ports via iptables16:15
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pdanekusb tethering app not enough16:15
tigeliI've been doing 100Mbps over usb16:15
tigeliwith lte and jolla16:15
pdaneknice16:15
tigelijust plain routing to 192.168.2.15 over usb and nat on jolla16:16
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tigelithough.. if you ran it full speed on lte for 6 hours the battery will go zero :) (500mAh is not enough to keep the charge at 100%)16:17
tigelimeaning... 6 hours for 100Mbps ;)16:18
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pdanektigeli: even if your display is off and you tether via usb? 500 mAh not enough?16:23
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M4rtinKyay, just hit the btrfs free space bug! :)16:30
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M4rtinKand that's why I like LVM + xfs/ext4 better than btrfs16:38
M4rtinKas it gives you at least some chance to check how much free space is remaining16:38
M4rtinKnot a lying df / that reports 2.3 GB free while random writes fail16:38
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pawky|2M4rtinK:  you can use btrf's df instead16:53
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M4rtinKpawky|2: even that showed some free space17:09
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M4rtinKeven though small even small writes randomly failed17:09
M4rtinKalso, why is it not hooked to df ?17:10
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M4rtinKneeding to use a "special" df for a filesystem seems rather, well rather retarded17:10
tevereinveting the wheel syndrome :-)17:11
pawky|2I believe there are forums for these type of quetions...17:12
pawky|2(questions)17:12
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pawky|2M4rtinK: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page17:13
M4rtinKteve: pretty much17:13
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M4rtinKteve: the more I learn about storage, the less I like btrfs in comparison to LVM :)17:13
M4rtinK& "normal" filesystems17:14
teveI agree17:14
pawky|2M4rtinK: I would say, its probably the other way around...17:14
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pawky|2The more people "think" they understand btrfs, the less they seem to like it...17:14
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pawky|2If you really would understand it, you wouldn't a) discuss it on a jollamobile forum b)know how to check the disk size...17:16
pawky|2space...17:16
pawky|2Then again, who am I to judge...17:17
M4rtinKI think no one really understands btrfs :)17:18
M4rtinKI mean completely17:18
pawky|2Well, I use it, and I have no problems with it... on the contrary  it has saved me a few times when hard disks have gone to bit heaven...17:18
M4rtinKit is not really possible for projects so complex as modern filesystems17:18
pawky|2Could someone give me some insigts in how to view a media stream using QML ?17:19
pdanekyet we continue using fat on our sd cards17:19
pdanek:P17:19
pawky|2pdanek: we do?17:20
pdanekI do :(17:20
pawky|2I have used ext3 since ages ago...17:20
pdanekvfat17:20
M4rtinKwell, I have ext4 and it works just fine17:20
pawky|2and ext417:20
M4rtinKBTW, shame the Jolla kernel does not have xfs :)17:20
pdanekwhat about btrfs drivers for windows?17:20
M4rtinKI kinda got into the habit using it everywhere these days :)17:21
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M4rtinKpdanek: I think it is a small miracle to be able to mount even ext3/4 on Windows17:21
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pdanekback17:27
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pawky|2is there no one in here who knows how to program for sailfish?17:50
pdaneknah, we are bfus17:50
pdanek:D17:50
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pdanekit's basically just facebook terminal for us17:51
pdanekonly that it sounnds nicer than android17:52
pdanekthats's why17:52
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Morpog_PC__pawky|2, go to #sailfishos17:56
pawky|2Morpog_PC__: thanks.17:57
pdaneknedvihas mi skype17:58
pdaneksorry17:58
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pdanek1guys18:29
pdanek1usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config18:30
pdanek1Do you know this package?18:30
pdanek1It adds an icon to tether via USB after plug in the USB.18:30
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pdanekBut it doesn't seem to tether on al ports.18:32
pdanekHowever I don't see any specific ports forwarded in iptables/.18:32
pdanekHow do I do that?18:32
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pdanekhttp://pastebin.com/574ruU8n18:36
pdanekIt looks like it translates all on USB, but it doesn't.18:37
pdanekNot all ports work for me.18:37
pdanekIt's urgent. :D18:38
pdaneklike it doesn't support peer to peer18:40
pdanekin League of Legends, when I disable peer to peer transfer, I can connect via USB18:40
pdanekwhen it's enabled, I can't18:40
pdanekvia wifi, always works18:40
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coderuspdanek1: sure19:07
coderuspdanek1: this package doing exactly same you described ;)19:08
coderuspdanek1: explain what do you want to achieve exactly>19:09
coderus?19:09
pdanek1I think it's more a problem of the game19:12
pdanek1it's kind of random19:12
pdanek1:D19:12
pdanek1now I'm connected19:12
pdanek1with peer to peer off in the game19:12
pdanek1thanks anyway19:12
M4rtinKso even though moving 5 GB of data to uSD seems to have helped with the btrfs out of space issues19:19
M4rtinKbut I'm still running btrfs balance start / just in case19:20
M4rtinKlets see how many days it takes :)19:20
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M4rtinKnice, you can even watch the progress:19:22
M4rtinKwatch -n1 -d btrfs balance status / -v19:22
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coderuspdanek1: you mean you sharing connection from Jolla to PC and you game have troubles with it?19:27
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krnlyngis there a way to share my pc's internet connection with the jolla phone using usb?20:09
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Jonnikrnlyng: yes https://together.jolla.com/question/45222/internet-trough-usb-to-jolla/20:52
krnlyngJonni: thanks20:52
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M4rtinKfor the record the btrfs rebalance seems to have gone fine :)21:49
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