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iekkujapa-fi, there's huge amount of jollas getting new home -> delays in our sending05:30
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japa-fiiekku, thanks for the update06:00
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Morpog_Jolla_Anyone else got #mitakuuluu in a reconnect loops lately?06:06
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mekluMorpog_Jolla_: mine did that this morning07:22
mekluclosed it, haven't looked at it since07:23
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Morpog_Jolla_so it seems the fun is over meklu07:29
meklu*shrug*07:30
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lainwir3d hi o/08:39
Nicd-yeah, seems this is the final nail in the coffin for mitäkuuluu08:39
Nicd-it was fun while it lasted08:39
lainwir3dWhat happened ?08:39
Nicd-reconnection loops08:39
lainwir3doh08:40
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lainwir3dhappens to me since 1month at least08:40
Nicd-yep, still happening for me08:40
SK_workmaybe ban ?08:40
lainwir3dbut after a time it connects ok08:40
lainwir3dbut i'm probably not up to date though08:40
Nicd-SK_work: ban should be shown as a ban I think08:40
Nicd-this is different08:40
SK_worknot totally sure08:41
lainwir3dwell it connects after a while for me08:43
lainwir3dso I guess it's not a ban08:43
lainwir3dor I won't be able to connect at all08:43
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_inte_hello08:51
_inte_Mitakuuluu seems to be gone for good now, right?08:52
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_inte_I get a login-loop08:52
_inte_genuine whatsapp works fine for me so i guess they maybe changed sth. with the login process again?08:52
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Nightmare__i'm using the last version and it's working08:57
_inte_mh thanks08:57
_inte_I will keep trying08:57
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Stskeepstbr: good summaries, it was really hard to read indeed09:11
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tbrStskeeps: I hope that we'll avoid some of the dead silence from last time09:13
Stskeepsyeah.. looks like decent debate topics09:13
_inte_oh09:14
_inte_just looked in my backlog09:14
_inte_Nicd-: reconnection loops as well?09:15
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_inte_I switched to genuine android-wa in the meantime09:15
_inte_to make sure not to be banned09:15
Nightmare___inte_: now it's looping too09:15
_inte_what? the android app is looping?09:15
Stskeepstbr: think i'll have to take a nap before the meeting though, finally back on proper antihistamines and i'm a bit drugged09:16
Stskeeps:P09:16
tbr;)09:16
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Nightmare__nope mitä09:16
Nightmare__mine worked half an hour ago09:16
daithefluStskeeps: replace with caffeine ;)09:17
Nightmare__at leat WA offers an apk on their website09:17
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SKyd3Rhello09:18
_inte_Im not sure, maybe wa does some kind of penetration testing to identify fake wa-clients09:18
_inte_mayber they'll switch off the test in a couple of days09:19
_inte_until then i rather stay with the android app09:19
SKyd3Rmy Jolla turned off as a lack of battery, I connected it via USB to my PC at work but it seems I can't turn my Jolla on09:19
Stskeepsgive it time, or use a charger09:20
SKyd3RI don't have any charger at work so time will be given09:21
SKyd3Rit's weird because I got a flash icon with a micro usb cable on the screen every attemp I do09:21
SKyd3Rthanks Stskeeps :)09:22
Stskeepsperhaps bad cable?09:22
SKyd3R(instead of a percentage)09:22
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_inte_i found a new app in openrepos09:23
_inte_something like iso-mounter09:23
_inte_or iso boot sth.09:23
_inte_what is it good for?09:23
_inte_to make the phone a bootable usb-stick?09:23
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Stskeepswhy not09:24
Stskeeps:P09:24
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_inte_"ISODrive"09:25
_inte_i mean, it would be pretty cool09:25
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_inte_i never have a usb-stick ready when i need one for booting09:26
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_inte_since my usb-sticks always carry some stuff that i dont want to delete09:26
TemeV_inte_: sound cool. It would kind of implement the idea of ubuntu. You can use your phone on desktop :)09:27
_inte_TemeV: that will hopefully work with the tablet09:27
_inte_I guess I will check out a usb-graphics adaptor since the tablets features usb-otg09:28
_inte_could be pretty much fun09:28
TemeVwould be cool, I don't see the use case though09:28
_inte_TemeV: but beeing able to use the phone as a usb-bootable stick would also be great09:28
TemeVespecially if you can also access the data in the phone09:29
_inte_yeah09:29
_inte_why not09:29
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anYchm, is care@ a little bit busy these days? my jolla returned 2 work days ago for repair and I didn't get an update yet. Or am I too impatient? :)09:40
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pp_that's optimaservice not care@09:45
pp_you can get status with the imei from them09:46
pp_for my repair case care just closed the ticket with "you must have gotten your phone back already", which was the case09:47
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anYcokay, didn't see optimaservice mentioned anywhere. Hopefully I get it back this week. Shipping already takes ~5 days :/ thank you!10:00
anYcuf, looks like only part of their site is on english10:01
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anYcah, looks like they repaired it this morning.10:04
anYcwould be nice if care@jolla would mention this during support10:05
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chem|stas you mention care, did any of you recognize TOH getting loose on the top corners, mine makes a plastic clicking noise every time I grab it on those corners10:39
_inte_my is still pretty fix10:40
_inte_im never removing it anyways10:41
tadzikchem|st: mine does that on the bottom in the middle10:42
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tadzikcorners are quite okay10:42
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chem|stlmc10:45
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chem|stnope... black toh and the top left corner is the loudest10:46
chem|stlay it flat on a surface and press just next to the face-cam10:46
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RavenholmDXHave they said if they're going with 3D Printing or Injection Molding with the TOHKBD10:48
tadziknow that I tried it that way, the bottom right corner makes sounds, and also moves the entire phone up10:48
tadzikthe rest of them provide no sound nor movement10:48
Nicd-RavenholmDX: it's 3D printed10:48
Nicd-the keyboard keypad is injection molded10:48
Nicd-afaik10:49
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RavenholmDXI wonder what the finish quality will be like10:49
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RavenholmDX3D printing is rarely great10:49
chem|stand now that I look at it closer, the displaz frame is broken10:50
chem|stdisplay10:50
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kimmoliRavenholmDX: atm we'll print at shapeways which polished material is ok, the surface is little rough, but positive point is that isn't so slippery as jollas own otherhalfs10:51
kimmoliRavenholmDX: we are also at #jollatohkbd for more details10:51
RavenholmDXOh cool10:51
RavenholmDXThanks10:52
RavenholmDX49 hours left10:53
RavenholmDXAh what the hell, I'll just back it :P10:54
SKyd3Rsthill can't turn on the phone while I think is charging :(10:55
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RavenholmDXcable working?10:58
TeguIIRC I can't either, so I guess it's not just the cable10:59
RavenholmDXOh, so it's actually charging, just can't power it on while it is?11:00
_inte_wait 2min11:00
_inte_then you can11:00
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SKyd3RI waited more than 1 hour :s11:02
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SKyd3Rtried diferents chargers11:02
anYcDoes anyone else get a certificate warning for https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/plugins/sitepress-multilingual-cms/res/css/language-selector.css?v=3.1.6 with firefox?11:03
StskeepsJope: ^11:03
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TeguI don't get a warning11:03
Nicd-not getting a cert warning11:03
SKyd3Rneither do I11:03
Nicd-using firefox 3311:03
SKyd3Rsame11:04
Jopeno warning here either11:04
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anYcokay thanks, maybe it's something wrong here with ff 31.2 (ESR). it looks like it doesn't it accept here because it's only seeing the intermediate cert11:04
Jopecurious.11:04
tadzikno warning on opera11:04
anYcthe jolla site doesn't render properly here because the css doesn't load. thank you all!11:05
anYcI'll try other browsers11:05
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Jopeyeh, it's mixed content unforch11:05
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stephgtbr good email11:17
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tbrstephg: thanks11:17
tbrstephg: I'm hoping for a good turn out on both sides, there is much talk and "feelings", but not much "JFDI" and transparency11:18
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_inte_anYc: no certificate warning for me11:26
_inte_SKyd3R: you should use the genuine charge ONLY11:27
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_inte_other chargers may cause reboot cycles or startup failures since they may confuse the logic11:27
Shihua_...11:29
Shihua_what time will jolla update?11:29
tadzikone day later than it was supposed to before you asked :P11:29
Tegushh, were not supposed to talk about it! now it's delayed again :(11:30
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SK_work:D11:30
tbrand for good measure every time also god kills an adorabz kitteh11:30
Accesometimes I wonder if these update delay jokes are received as humorously as they're intented11:31
Nicd-_inte_: err, why would they do that?11:32
tadzikthey do their job in both cases, don't they? :P11:32
Nicd-_inte_: USB chargers follow standards, don't they?11:32
Nicd-the whole point of MicroUSB is that I can use any MicroUSB certified charger11:33
Accemaybe there should be a bot that gives an automatic response to these, like, "The updates are driven by completeness, not exact deadlines"11:33
mornfallAcce: oh, there will be another update? I thought updating has been cancelled in favour of new gadgets :P11:33
Tegu:D11:34
Accemornfall: well, I'm just a guy in the IRC, you can't trust anything I say :)11:35
mornfallanyone know how to add an xmpp account? I added one but it doesn't show up in presnce control at all11:35
Shihua_if jolla have a secretary how to wake it up?11:35
chem|stNicd-: that agreement has run out and was and probably will not be renewed11:36
Nicd-chem|st: the EU one?11:36
mornfallwhat agreement?11:37
Accemornfall: I managed to have one earlier11:37
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chem|stto use microUSB11:37
Accethere was some quirk at that time11:37
Accebut since my friends refused to use xmpp I also stopped using it :(11:38
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gogetaSK_work, any way to put last mail on lockscreen11:38
gogetamy boss hitme11:38
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Nicd-chem|st: yeah but still any MicroUSB certified chargers should work11:38
Nicd-as long as they put out enough mA11:38
chem|stNicd-: is there such thing as uUSB cert. chargers... I doubt it...11:39
chem|stI have genuine nokia chargers that make N9 and Jolla flicker (touchscreen goes hiwire)11:39
mornfallcharger is just a 5V DC source... and the charging circuit already has to deal with PC power which is much lower than any USB charger will be able to give out11:40
chem|stmornfall: my PC supplies 2A...11:40
mornfallchem|st: sure, but mine doesn't, and many other don't11:40
mornfallthe spec requires much less11:41
chem|stso can we put those misconceptions aside now?11:41
mornfallchem|st: what misconceptions?11:41
mornfallof course if your charger gives out garbage instead of 5V DC, it'll probably break something11:42
chem|stsamsung genuine carcharger triggers response on dataline11:43
chem|stall devices but the tablet it was built for ask what to connect to...11:43
mornfallyeah, there will always be a charger here and there that hooks up data for “extra smarts”11:44
mornfallespecially easy to spot with my aging sony e-reader11:44
chem|stmornfall: that is forbidden by the USB standard for charging devices11:44
mornfall(which locks the screen if hooked up to anything with data connection)11:45
chem|std+- must be closed11:45
mornfallchem|st: right11:45
_inte_Nicd-: i guess the jolla charger is 1.1A11:45
_inte_or sth11:45
mornfallnevertheless... :) people do stupid things11:45
_inte_i have a usb powerpack which could supply up to 3a11:45
_inte_i guess11:45
JopeI can say for a fact that the euro charger that ships with the device is rated for 1.0A 5VDC11:45
chem|st_inte_: if the phones readin itself is correct it is just about 1A11:45
mornfallI find that some chargers apparently put out garbage on the 5V line more disturbing though11:45
_inte_if i switch to 3A (powerpack) the phone charges quickly11:46
_inte_i often get reboot cycles or unexpected switchoffs later11:46
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_inte_this behavior disappears when I revert to the genuine charger11:46
_inte_its reproduceable11:46
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_inte_therefore: if you experience such issues, try the genuine charger FIRST11:47
_inte_:)11:47
chem|steither the battery or the phone are aweful in battery management, readings are wrong11:47
_inte_whatever11:47
_inte_it works fine with the genuine charger therefore i dont mind11:47
_inte_my powerpack can also supply 0,5A i guess11:48
_inte_if i use this low-power output, the phone charges slowly but I never have any issues11:48
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RavenholmDXJolla still haven't shipped my phone11:48
RavenholmDX:(11:48
RavenholmDXbeen a week today11:48
Stskeepsprobably a large amount to be shipped11:49
_inte_maybe they are busy with tablets11:49
RavenholmDXstill pretty crazy11:49
RavenholmDXcurrently says on their site that they ship within 3 working days11:49
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chem|st_inte_: lol...11:49
Stskeeps_inte_: nah, not logistics.11:49
_inte_:) just kidding :)11:50
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SKyd3RRavenholmDX:  I ordered mine on Saturday and the next Thursday it was devlivered11:55
RavenholmDXSaturday, when?11:56
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SKyd3R18h11:57
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_inte_18h?? There i no one working at 18h any more12:02
_inte_at least for parcel services12:03
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SKyd3Rthe website still works12:04
SKyd3RI know it wasn't processed on the Saturday12:04
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Yanieltablet question12:08
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Yanieldoes it support GLES 3?12:09
sharpneliYes.12:10
sharpneliIt also theoretically supports ES3.1. But if we get the drivers for that it remains to be seen12:10
sharpneliAnd also it remains to be seen if Jolla accepts ES3 programs to the shop12:10
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Yanielmore like when12:17
Yanielany idea what featurelevel drivers are certain?12:18
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mekluprobably whatever mesa has right now12:23
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mekluor if people go crazy, the android driver via hybris :P12:23
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Yanielno idea what mesa has on the ES side12:35
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mekluup to gles2 it looks like12:59
meklualthough for some reason I've got an empty /usr/include/GLES3/ as well13:00
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mornfallAcce: it doesn't like self-signed certs, it turns out13:08
mornfallAcce: but the only way to find that out is journalctl and decrypting obfuscated error messages13:08
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Accemornfall: oh yeah, I thought you had already tackled that one13:27
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Accethe resolution was changing some account settings from the command line..13:27
suosaaskiLastucase designed for Jolla tablet, it seems.13:28
Stskeepssuosaaski: hrm?13:29
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suosaaskiHmph... it was just on my facebook and now it's gone :)13:30
suosaaskiand had a link to igg and a contribution price of 49$ would get a lastucase designed for jolla tablet13:30
Stskeepsintruiging13:32
suosaaskimaybe they posted it too early and removed it?13:32
suosaaskithere was a pic, too.13:32
suosaaskishouldn't have closed the tab :)13:32
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ln-did this happen while you were asleep or not?13:32
suosaaskino, a couple of minutes ago.13:33
pp_suosaaski: lastu responds "Maybe ;)"  to "Are cases for Jolla Tablet already designed?" on stalkbook13:33
suosaaski:)13:33
pp_wouldn't be the biggest surprise13:33
suosaaskiNo, it wouldn't... but they should put it back online :)13:33
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suosaaskilol, browsed back with previous page, it flashed the pic and now it shows that the page is not available :)13:36
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Tegusuosaaski: about:cache? or similar13:39
Teguif you haven't closed the browser yet13:40
suosaaskiI haven't13:40
Teguor I dunno when the cached stuff is removed..13:40
suosaaskiabout:cache has a ton of links...13:41
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Teguyea it does, that's a problem. and the picture you're looking for might have some completely misleading url :/13:41
suosaaskiI would imagine it is a https://fbcdn...13:42
suosaaskibut also a problem... when I open the links, they are just plain text?13:42
Tegualso, firefox at least seems to just give you a hexdump of the file.. why doesn't it give the file itself :(13:43
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Tegualso it might be in either memory or disk, I guess. I've never actually retrieved anything from about:cache13:45
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tbrPSA: open source & jolla - meeting on #mer-meeting in 1h 10min13:46
Stskeepsi should get something to warm my hands, freezing cold here in warsaw today13:46
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tbrStskeeps: light an oil drum on fire. don't forget asbestos underwear for later13:47
tadzikheh, yeah13:47
Teguit looks like there are some cacheviewer addons, but I fear they require a restart => useless in this situation13:47
tadzikStskeeps: watch out for polar bears too, you know how warsaw is13:48
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XenoPLIs it that bad up there ~140 km west (Lodz) it's steady -4 C degrees and nice sunny weather13:53
Stskeepsin my office it's pretty bad..13:54
Stskeeps:P13:54
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suosaaskiSpeaking of weather... damn it's dark out there and it only 15:55 :|13:55
suosaaskino snow = no light at this time a year...13:55
Yanielyep13:55
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RavenholmDXWoohoo, Jolla shipped13:57
Stskeepswoop13:57
Yanielhmm now that I think of it, I will actually have time to play with it by the time it is shipped.....13:57
Yanielit = the tablet13:57
RavenholmDXDo you think the tablet will be out in May?13:58
tadzikRavenholmDX: how's the app going?13:58
Nicd-RavenholmDX: that's what they estimated13:58
RavenholmDXFine, pretty much finished tadzik13:59
Yanielconsidering they seem to have the hw ready, why not13:59
RavenholmDXwaiting on the hardware so I can test it13:59
tadzikcool13:59
RavenholmDXthen will open source it13:59
RavenholmDXand put it up on the app store13:59
Yanielwhat app?13:59
RavenholmDXI've written an app, keeping it under wraps for now :P13:59
tadzikit's a sekkrit surprise14:00
RavenholmDXbut it's probably something that most people here wouldn't be too interested in14:00
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RavenholmDXit was basically something I use alot on Android14:00
RavenholmDXand there was no Sailfish equivelant to my knowledge, so decided to make it myself14:00
XenoPLspeaking of apps I wish Jolla had decent Tox client. I'm quite impressed woth fast pace of their development. Half a year ago it was barey sending text messages, now it's capable of audio/video connection and even group audio.14:01
YanielXenoPL: I started poking at that last weekend14:01
Yanielare you a dev?14:01
XenoPLunfortunatelly nod, sys/app admin is my main IT field14:02
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XenoPLtoo bad not much time left to get into programming, I know basics, but not enough to do serious development14:03
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XenoPLmaybe some junior tasks @KDE could get me in the loop.14:07
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silver_hookEm, I just got a mail that my Jolla got shipped and suddenly the FedEx page says „cancelled by sender“14:13
chem|st$49 for a LastuCase for the Tablet?14:13
Nicd-silver_hook: better talk to care@jolla.com14:14
Stskeepssilver_hook: that happens sometime..  not always true though, just send a mail to care14:15
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Stskeepsto check up on it14:16
Stskeepsour care is ~10 steps from our webshop people who are ~2 steps from logistics14:16
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silver_hookNicd-, Stskeeps: Thanks.14:19
Stskeepsbut don't expect a reply until tomorrow, it's getting rather late14:19
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Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/14:21
silver_hookStskeeps: Makes sense.14:21
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chem|stso... after lastucase perk was at 1 for a while now I thought I might make people aware of the new perk in tjc and tweet it... lets add fb...14:48
tadzik"We really hope to release before Christmas"14:50
tadzikbefore christmas, I heard that from Larry Wall too... ;P14:50
TMavicahttps://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/14:50
tadzikyou're late :P14:50
tbrmeeting starts soon!14:51
chem|sttbr: ta...14:51
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TMavicanext year14:52
Nicd-I kinda miss the excitement of updating the OS :/14:54
Nicd-hopefully we can feel it again soon14:54
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suosaaskihttps://www.facebook.com/jollaofficial/photos/a.489914591060089.120975.324048634313353/853272934724251/?type=114:58
suosaaskiit's back up. But you might have noticed...14:58
Nicd-suosaaski: it's in indiegogo already :)14:58
Nicd-with better pics14:58
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suosaaskiI kinda like the lastucase. I had the one for iPad mini and it was nice, although obviously heavier than Apple Smart Cover.15:03
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ruskiengh... out of money to get it :(15:04
suosaaskiI like the way it folds, makes it a lot more stable than for example what the smart cover is15:05
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lainwir3domggggg latsucase15:05
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pp_2000 lastucases and we get exfat!15:07
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chem|stpp_: who needs exfat?15:11
suosaaskiSo... lastucase only available via indiegogo15:11
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chem|stsuosaaski: even more impressive is that they start the referal race...15:12
suosaaskithe what?15:12
suosaaski:)15:12
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just4info_this tablet case looks fancy15:14
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mornfallhttps://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/ so yeah, probably no update 10 this year15:16
suosaaskihttp://lastucase.com/product/lastu-case-for-ipad-mini-suojakuori-kuori-cover-puinen/ I had that one when I still had my ipad.15:17
RavenholmDXjust4info_, I can't tell...does it protect the front and back of the tablet?15:17
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lainwir3dcan it be removed and put back easily ? :-/15:18
just4info_RavenholmDX, it protects the back, however it's main purpose seems to be allowing the tablet to stand in different angles15:18
suosaaskito me it looks like the first generation lastucase for the ipad mini. Which means it would not be removable (stickered to the back.15:19
RavenholmDXhmm, do not like that15:19
just4info_no idea, i just had a quick look on it, i didn't order a tablet anyways15:20
suosaaskiThe second generation was removable.15:20
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daithefluRavenholmDX: to me it seems it can protect the screen15:20
suosaaskiBut to me it looks like the leather is "glued" to the back.15:20
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suosaaskiNot that I would have looked that closely what the tablet looks like without a case.15:21
lainwir3dhmmm lastsucase is going fast15:21
just4info_well, i'll start worrying about the case once they allow the use of active digitizers :P15:22
daithefluI raised those questions on TJC : https://together.jolla.com/question/68132/new-perk-lastucase-joins-the-game/15:22
suosaaskiBut they seem not to be able to make a case for LG G3, which is why I don't have a lastu for my current phone.15:22
lainwir3dIf it can be removed easily I'm going to order one15:22
suosaaskijust4info_: depending on what you use it for, the digitizer is great or useless :)15:22
lainwir3dwhat is digitizer ?15:22
suosaaskia pen15:23
suosaaskipretty much15:23
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just4info_suosaaski, for my usage a tablet without an active digitizer support is useless =/15:23
suosaaskibut not like those "touch screen pens"15:23
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just4info_lainwir3d, a pressure sensitive pen, it allows you to write on the screen like on paper15:23
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suosaaskijust4info_: well, you can get an accurate pen for an ipad, too. Maybe someone makes one for the jolla :)15:24
lainwir3doh ok15:24
suosaaskiit uses BT LE or something15:24
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lainwir3dhttp://www.theverge.com/2012/3/7/2851562/blue-tiger-ten-one-design-pressure-sensitive-bluetooth-4-0-stylus15:24
lainwir3dshould work with BLE15:25
suosaaskihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et6LET_Eu-U15:25
just4info_suosaaski, there is a huge difference between a pressure sensitive pen and the "normal" touchscreen pens15:25
suosaaskijust4info_: I know there is.15:25
suosaaskiCheck that video15:25
suosaaskiI have a pressure sensitive pen on my other tablet15:26
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just4info_uhm, doesn't seem too accurate tbh =/15:26
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just4info_i'd prefer being able to use a normal wacom pen15:27
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just4info_plus, since they don't offer the tablet with a pen option i doubt that the system would allow a neat usage of it15:29
suosaaskiyes, well, for me that is not a dealbreaker. But lack of multiuser support is. And apps.15:31
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just4info_well atleast quite a lot of people are asking for multiuser support, when it comes to an active stylus most people are like: what is that? ^^15:34
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suosaaskiand multiuser support is something that can be added afterwards. But it really is a showstopper for me.15:38
suosaaskiIn addition to lack of google play15:39
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alteregosuosaaski: I'm sure you'll still be able to install gapps ala cyanogenmod ..15:42
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suosaaskiyes, but that is a hassle I would not like to have.15:43
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alteregosuosaaski: what, installing a couple of .apk?15:46
suosaaskiwell, I would first have to go find those apks and stuff. The point is not that I could not do it, but I would rather have them preinstalled than to download them from some random site.15:47
alteregoUnfortunately there is no way Google would allow that.15:48
silver_hookNicd-, Stskeeps: Seems to be working now …FedEx is odd.15:48
alteregoAnd it's funny, because more people would just prefer android support to not be there at all ;)15:48
tadzikmost people? I think it's more like vocal minority :)15:49
suosaaskialterego: I know. But for me tablet is mainly for consuming media and entertainment. And those apps are not there natively on the jolla, at least not yet.15:50
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alteregotadzik: that may be the case yes ;)15:51
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alteregotadzik: I'd like to think most people would prefer native alternatives though.15:51
tadzikoh, by all means15:51
tadzikespecially since the experience is hardly problem-free15:52
tadzikI love it when I press backspace and the entry field inputs its contents all over again15:52
tadzikI mean, the entire content for every backspace15:52
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tadziklbt: re ADT, should we have an IRC channel for that purpose?15:57
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lbt#mer15:57
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tadzikwell, the way I understand it it will reach quite outside the scope of mer15:58
tadzikbut I'm fine with it if #mer is :)15:58
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chem|sttadzik: read it as "most people would prefer to have native integration instead"16:00
chem|stand people don't care about privacy16:01
tadzikyeah16:01
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chem|stthey care about 5Trillion fart-apps16:01
chem|stthe problem with android is, you have a hard time to find quality apps as "fart" apps for 99c is what you get offered by stores16:02
just4info_the problem i see with the current android emulator on sailfish is that you can't be sure what's sandboxed and what isn't16:03
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just4info_and tbh, i'd like to set for each native app of sailfish individual rights16:05
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Yanieljavispedro: btw noticed that when playing a playlist mediaplayer just shows some random album cover16:36
Yanielnot the one of the currently playing song16:36
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javispedrohm16:39
javispedronever seen that16:39
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Yanielbtw has the issue with it removing the wrong item from the play queue been addressed yet?16:41
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Yaniel(delete an item from queue, delete another, instead of it, the item above it is removed)16:47
SK_workYaniel: +1 +2 for the two issues16:51
SK_workI have them too, and they are not resolved until now :(16:52
SK_workthat's too bad :(16:52
Yanielthe latter only appeared after updating to u916:52
Yanielno idea abotu the former, didn't use playlists until very recently16:52
daithefluis it on TJC ?16:53
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suosaaskiIs there a way to add chromecast support for jolla?16:57
Yanielsomething related to covers is there, poorly worded though16:58
japa-fiwoppii: got my shipping confirmation today (jolla mobile)!17:03
japa-fiNow, where are the innovative other halfs: Loud speaker, e-Ink display, etc?17:03
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suosaaskitohkbdthingy17:04
locusfhttps://together.jolla.com/question/68182/whats-open-and-whats-not-in-saillfish-apps-from-a-community-point-of-view/#post-id-68209 <- please help out, see the header for description :)17:04
calderonIs there any "cheap" way to get my usb connector soldered back to the pcb on my N900? :-)  i have lost my good soldering iron somewhere when i moved :-/17:05
kimmolijapa-fi: some of them might be in progress on background...17:06
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anYcjapa-fi: check talk.maemo.org17:07
tbrcalderon: depends if the pads ripped off17:08
Yanielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/68212/bug-mediaplayer-wrong-album-art-in-playlists/17:08
calderontbr: luckily not17:09
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anYcjapa-fi: especially http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=5917:09
tbrcalderon: then, very carefully and afterwards use hot glue to fix it in place17:10
tbror scratch the pcb on the sides and solder it in place17:11
tbroh look squirrel: Jolla+ToHKBD!17:11
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Yanielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/68217/bug-mediaplayer-wrong-item-gets-removed-from-play-queue/17:13
Yanielthere we go17:14
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Yanieljavispedro, SK_work, daitheflu17:15
SK_workYaniel: thanks17:16
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* Tofe is tempted to insert non constructive sarcasm here17:18
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Tofebut I won't, I'll sleep first :)17:18
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daithefluTofe: I'm expecting to read it tomorrow then :P17:20
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SK_worklocusf: "libas-common-utils, 0.4.13, Nokia" Nokia, interesting license17:23
daitheflugotta go, bye !17:23
SK_worknot ok inclusive artwork ?17:23
SK_work:D17:23
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japa-fiOh, TOH-keyboard!17:24
japa-fianYc, thanks for the link17:24
japa-fiI'd love to see real keyboard..17:24
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anYcjapa-fi: yeah, I also pledged for one on kickstarter17:25
locusfSK_work: wanna help with the wiki, its a real mess there :D17:26
SK_worklocusf: which wiki page ?17:26
SK_workcould be nice if sorted17:26
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locusfSK_work: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS17:26
SK_workperfect thanks17:26
SK_workgo edit the post17:26
locusfalready did17:27
anYcjapa-fi: even has an own channel #jollatohkbd17:27
japa-fianYc, what's the kickstarter link? I could join too17:27
anYcjapa-fi: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla17:27
locusftbr: a table is even drearier format for the source editing :p17:28
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SK_worklocusf: I'm adding some eye candy / organization17:29
locusfSK_work: ok, thanks a ton :)17:29
SK_workand will focus on getting something "tablish" out of your dump17:29
locusfSK_work: I can get some formatting into the query as well17:29
SK_workjust editiong the non-OSS atm17:29
r0kk3rzcoderus: what's the symptoms of bein banhammered from mitakuuluu?17:29
locusfSK_work: if you need something quick17:29
tbrlocusf: we need an overview, implementation up to you, but 10 pages of double spaced printout that is impossible to oversee and comment?17:29
SK_worklocusf: the best, send me a CSV17:29
locusftbr: indeed, you're right17:30
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locusfSK_work: okay17:30
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tbrlocusf: sync with tadzik and the others who caught actions17:30
SK_workso that with some python scripting, I can do something nice17:30
SK_worklocusf: skip the version, they are likely to change from version to version17:31
tbrwe need some sort of overview and status page. "open" "closed" "does ABCD"17:31
locusfSK_work: yes17:31
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locusfSK_work: just name and license as one-row-per-package CSV?17:31
tbrwe can then link from there to the autodocs17:31
SK_worklocusf: yep17:31
SK_worktbr: I was thinking: name, license, comment, repo17:31
SK_worklocusf: hey17:31
SK_workbetter17:31
locusftbr: I also started to list the repositories to the openly licensed17:31
locusfSK_work: yes?17:32
tbrlocusf: very good!17:32
SK_worklocusf: can't you extract the url ? see https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-notifications/blob/master/rpm/nemo-qml-plugin-notifications-qt5.spec#L1617:32
SK_workextract url and summary of package17:32
SK_workso that you already get the repositories :)17:32
SK_work(well sort of)17:32
locusfHAA17:33
locusfits not linking to mer code repositories :p17:33
SK_workissue is that with upstream packages (Qt for example) it will point to mer17:33
SK_workyep17:33
SK_workknow what, I will python in my side to filter out packages not on github/nemomobile17:33
SK_work:)17:33
SK_workand I will upload my script to somewhere17:34
locusfSK_work: alright17:34
locusfSK_work: do you still need the source data?17:34
SK_workproblem is that I'm at work, if I was at home, the python script would have run on the jolla17:34
SK_worklocusf: yep17:34
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SK_workcsv with name, summary, license, source17:34
locusfSK_work: ah ok17:34
SK_workeh, url instea of source17:35
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locusfSK_work: http://pastebin.com/PkDTG9P217:36
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locusfits a shame that to look at mer sources you need the access code :p17:38
locusfeg. mer account afaik17:38
locusfor can anyone see this: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/libXtst17:38
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Yanielyes17:39
locusfok17:39
SK_worklocusf: can you have semicolon separated file ? :)17:40
locusfSK_work: sure17:40
Yanielif not, it is easy to run through sed anyway17:40
SK_workbecause comma conflicts in summary17:40
SK_workYaniel: no, it's not, because I want to differenciate the columns and commas inside summaries17:40
SK_work:)17:41
locusfSK_work: http://pastebin.com/J7cBSxb017:41
SK_workthanks :)17:42
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SK_worklocusf: mind sending me the full list of packages (without grep)17:58
SK_workso that I can filter in my side17:58
SK_workand copy paste the proprietary packages in order not to mess what you started with sources ? :)17:58
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locusfSK_work: http://pastebin.com/Hgv3wmZx17:59
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SK_worklocusf: hihihi, I totally messed up the layout :D18:00
locusfSK_work: wooops :D18:00
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SK_worklocusf: tbr what about now ? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS#Non_OSS_packages18:04
SK_workquick work in progress18:04
locusfSK_work: excellent18:05
lainwir3dwow18:05
lainwir3dI looked at that page like 1min ago and I was like "wtf ?"18:05
tbrSK_work: teh awesomez18:05
SK_worklocusf: I might try to ping git.merproject.org to be able to check if the package exists here18:05
lainwir3dmakes sense now18:05
locusfSK_work: ok, good idea18:06
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SK_worklocusf: I said try, because I have a proxy issue18:06
lainwir3dany info on tablet latsucase attach ? Like can it be removed / replaced easily or not18:06
SK_worklocusf: no luck, proxy, so terminal cannot connect to the internet18:07
SK_workso the best I can do18:07
SK_workis to filter nemomobile stuff18:07
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japa-fianYc, There is only 48 hours left on kickstarter. I haven't even had my hands on _any_ jolla, I wonder if I'm too hasty if I order the keyboard.18:08
japa-fiThough i'm used to have keyboard with my n90018:09
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diegov_Has anyone managed to run the latest official whatsapp client on a jolla phone?18:17
diegov_I'm stuck in the "set your username" screen, it says it can't connect18:17
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SK_workhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS18:24
locusfSK_work: insane work, thanks a ton :) !!!18:26
ryukafalzSK_work: Whoa, dang18:28
ryukafalzdid you script that?18:28
SK_workryukafalz: the python one is at the end18:29
SK_workas I have no github here, no upload yet18:29
SK_worksoon :)18:29
ryukafalzaha, nice :)18:29
ryukafalz<3 python18:29
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ryukafalzhah, store-client made it into the OSS list as its license is LICENSE18:30
* ryukafalz pokes around for his merwiki creds18:30
Nicd-also doesn't mediawiki have sortable tables?18:31
Nicd-would be useful18:32
ryukafalzit does - http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages18:32
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SK_workryukafalz: fixes on the way18:36
ryukafalzSK_work: Haha, went to move a few over and got an edit conflict - I see you're on it :P18:37
SK_workfixed the packages that went to OSS while being proprietary18:38
SK_worknote, it is based on locusf's dump so glacier home is in the list :)18:38
ryukafalzSK_work: jolla-keyboard got missed ;)18:39
SK_workmissed ?18:39
SK_workit is proprietary and oss18:39
SK_workso hum18:39
ryukafalzyeah, I'm not sure about that one18:39
ryukafalzdoesn't belong in the OSS list though IMO18:39
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Teguhas anyone bought jolla from DNA and took it to the warranty repair? should I contact jolla's support site thingy beforehand or can I just walk in to the DNA store?18:40
Tegu(asking stupid questions, yes ;P)18:40
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ryukafalzSK_work: I presume the OSS bit of jolla-keyboard is Maliit?18:41
ryukafalzno, there are other packages for that...18:41
* ryukafalz pokes around in the jolla-keyboard files18:42
SK_workryukafalz: warning18:42
SK_workI'm gonna fix stuff again !18:42
ryukafalzgo for it :P18:42
SK_worksortable columns18:43
SK_workdone !18:43
ryukafalz\o/18:43
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ryukafalzit looks much nicer too18:43
SK_workremoved some table style fixing18:44
SK_workit looks nice plain18:44
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AL13Nthat tablet case looks nice18:44
AL13Nbtw: does anyone here want to buy jolla and use my referral ? :-)18:45
ryukafalzwould if I hadn't already :P18:45
SK_workare the package info enough to inform people about what they do ?18:46
SK_worktbr: locusf ^18:46
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SK_workryukafalz: ^18:46
Yanielthe tablet? considering it18:46
locusfSK_work: yes18:47
ryukafalzSK_work: Probably good enough, yeah18:47
ryukafalzfor anything more in-depth we really need an overall architecture document18:47
SK_workyeah18:48
just4info__slightly off topic: is sourceforge.net down/under attack? each link i click there gives me a 404 error18:48
SK_worknow, good luck with the url thingie18:48
AL13Nbtw: the referral link, is that http://igg.me/at/jolla-tablet/x/YYYYYYY  link?18:48
SK_workI do wonder if it might be easier to perform a list of what's on gitlab and parse the spec fils18:48
AL13Nor is the referral link something else?18:48
ryukafalzI think at some point we should determine whether there's anything more we can add programmatically18:49
locusfSK_work: we need source rpms for that spec file parsing :/18:49
SK_worklocusf: we can use the gitlab18:49
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locusfoh yeah18:49
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ryukafalzsome things may need to be filled in manually, don't want to inadvertently overwrite them :)18:50
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SK_workthere is also nemomobile-packages18:50
SK_workor OBS ?18:50
SK_workhum18:50
ryukafalzhmm... "rpm -ql jolla-keyboard | grep -i BSD" returns zilch18:51
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coderuslet me know please if i can buy lastu case for jolla in finland in some shop?18:51
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SK_workzilch ?18:51
ryukafalznothing, heh18:52
SK_workryukafalz: I guess: the QML part is BSD, the C++ part Prop18:52
ryukafalzI think it may be the other way around18:52
SK_workhum ?18:52
locusfryukafalz: -ql lists files, not their content18:52
ryukafalzlocusf: ooops, you're right18:53
SK_worklocusf: I think that I will fetch obs for mer:devel18:53
ryukafalzI'm derping right now18:53
SK_workand parse spec / _service file18:53
SK_workto get url of git repositories and packages18:53
locusfSK_work: yes18:53
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ryukafalzgot it, InputHandler.qml and PreeditTestHandler.qml are BSD18:53
locusfSK_work: _service is more useful as it points to real source18:53
SK_workyep18:54
SK_workand spec file to rtrieve which packages are built18:54
SK_work(subpackaes included :))18:54
locusfyeah18:54
tbrSK_work: locusf - looks good, do you want to update that automatically or can users add e.g. comments?18:54
SK_worktbr: let's leave this to users18:55
SK_workI can adapt scripts18:55
tbr*nod*18:55
SK_workcomments should go to another column though18:55
tbryeah18:55
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SK_workanyway18:56
SK_worknight18:56
ryukafalz'night18:56
SK_worksee ya18:56
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locusfok see you SK_work :)19:01
coderuslastucase, anyone?19:02
ryukafalzthere are only 3000 :O19:02
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ryukafalzI very much want one, but not sure I have the money to spend heh19:03
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coderusmy question was: can i buy lastucase for Jolla in some retail shop in finland?19:06
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ryukafalzthe campaign page states that at least this one is exclusive to the campaign, so likely not19:07
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coderusi mean for jolla phone :)19:10
coderuscan i buy lastucase for jolla phone in some retail in finland?19:10
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ryukafalzohhh okay that I don't know19:11
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locusfcoderus: do you mean the skin or the whole case?19:19
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cb400fhmm.. great PR for Jolla in large Danish tech site... according to them Jolla is behind http://www.puzzlephone.com/ running Android19:22
Stskeepswat19:22
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Stskeepsurl?19:22
Stskeepsalso, you're danish?19:23
Stskeeps:P19:23
cb400fhttp://www.version2.dk/artikel/nokia-udbrydere-paa-vej-med-puslespils-smartphone-7517919:23
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cb400fyup, I was at the open source days event too ;-)19:23
Stskeepswell, the thought is nice, but no, that's not jolla19:23
Stskeepsah, damnit, somebody who has seen me..19:23
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cb400f;-)19:23
svuorelaapparantly cb400f is more shy when it comes to walking up to people and say hi than I am19:24
sqrrli'm developing an android app and i want to run it on jolla. i use a navigation drawer (thing that appear when i swipe from the side of the screen), but jolla overrides that gesture. how should i deal with it?19:24
cb400fat least they manage to mention the tablet in the article ;-)19:24
r0kk3rzhmm i think i got banhammered from mitakuuluu, oh well19:25
svuorelacb400f: the puzzlephone chairman is apparantly a patent lawyer.19:26
cb400fgreat ;-)19:26
Stskeepsand we have lawyers who used to be in symbian foundation, it doesn't make us bad peopl..19:27
Stskeeps+e19:27
Stskeeps:P19:27
r0kk3rzif you want to make phones, arm up on the patent lawyers19:27
AL13Nlooks like these 1000 are the last ones... on some page it says 1000 at $189; 1000 at $199; 2000 at $204; 3000 at $209 ... and another says that over 6000 units has been sold... that means the this 1000 at $209 is the last one...19:28
Stskeepsso, general opinions how today's meeting went?19:28
svuorelawas there a meeting today ?19:29
Stskeepsyes19:29
tadzikI liked what came out of it, even though work was thrown in my face19:29
Stskeepsbetter than feces, i guess.. :P19:29
tadzikthat's fair though19:29
ryukafalzI thought it went well personally19:29
Stskeepssvuorela: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-December/005312.html19:29
cb400fsqrrl: afaik #sailfishos is more for development.. maybe try there19:29
sledgesah tadzik you're not on #sailfishos ;)19:30
javispedroit went like everyone of these meetings19:30
tadziksledges: yeah, you guys have gazillion channels19:30
javispedrono one got what they wanted :)19:30
sledges:D19:30
sqrrlcb400f: thanks!19:30
tadzik#jollamobile, #nemomobile, #sailfishos, #mer, #mer-meeting19:30
sledgestadzik: i got people asking where they can help for sailfishos19:30
ryukafalzjavispedro: hah, well, it was more focused than previous meetings have been when it comes to OSS19:30
Stskeeps#sailfishos-porters, ..19:30
sledges( tadzik: add -porters too)19:30
sledgeshehe19:30
tadziknot so long ago all my irc buffers fit on the 1-0 keys on the keyboard19:31
ryukafalz#nemomobile-porters :P19:31
coderuslocusf: lastu have case for jolla?19:31
svuorelaStskeeps: oh. interesting. is there a log or a meeting minutes or something like that available19:31
sledgestadzik: lucky man, i have 133 at the moment19:31
* cb400f takes advantage of the faulty v2 article to shamelessly promote the tablet19:31
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Stskeepssvuorela: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-12-02-15.00.log.html19:32
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ryukafalztadzik: not too long ago all my IRC buffers fit on my screen ;)19:32
tadziksledges: http://i.imgur.com/yfuCR.gif19:32
tadziksledges: is this your job? :D19:33
sledgestadzik: yes19:33
ryukafalzI have 39 currently19:33
svuorelaStskeeps: thanks. but. lots of text19:34
tadziksledges: hah, good for you :)19:34
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sledgesfollow your dream, and you'll end up with so many buffers :D19:35
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ryukafalzI show only those with activity in my buffer list. I clear them all occasionally, then a second later 5 have popped back up :>19:35
locusfcoderus: yes, its a white toh with lastu skin and a leather flap which covers the phone19:36
sledgesryukafalz: muting is awesome feature:))19:37
ryukafalzheheh, but then I'd forget I have some muted19:37
cb400fguessing the guys at V2 mis-read this Norwegian article http://www.digi.no/931794/denne-mobilen-vil-du-kunne-oppgradere-selv19:37
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sledgesi never close windows because over time i know that number 109 is coming from that channel/person :)19:37
xavinuxHi people19:39
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sledgestadzik: xavinux is ready to help on the documentation effort where he can19:40
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xavinuxtadzik: Hi19:41
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tadzikxavinux: hey, hello19:45
tadzikxavinux: we organize on #mer, mostly19:45
tadzikso it has been decided :)19:45
xavinuxtadzik: ok19:47
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coderuslocusf: well, is it available in retaails?20:31
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kimmolicoderus: http://lastucase.com/product/lastu-wallet-case-for-jolla-lompakko-wallet-case-cover-suojakuori/20:40
kimmolicoderus: at least quick search, no results.20:42
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swift110_hey guys20:47
Yanielhi20:48
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swift110_how are you yaniel20:56
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RavenholmDXHeyo21:00
SKyd3Rhi there :)21:01
RavenholmDXWhat is up?21:02
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swift110_hey RavenholmDX  and SKyd3R how are you guys21:03
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RavenholmDXPretty good21:04
RavenholmDXJolla shipped today finally21:04
RavenholmDXtook a week :(21:04
swift110_what ya get RavenholmDX21:05
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mcuroshi21:07
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mcurosis anyone using transmission?21:07
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SKyd3Rswift110_: I'm fine, and you?21:09
SKyd3Rmy Jolla is finally working :)21:09
swift110_jolla phone?21:10
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SKyd3Ryes21:11
swift110_ok how do you like it21:12
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falfaWhen is the next software update due?21:16
Bysmyyrsoon(tm)21:16
tadzikmaybe before christmas [tm]21:17
Obi-Lanwonder if I get my phone before christmas21:17
falfa:-)21:18
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TemeVfalfa: https://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/ according to this, next week or next year :)21:20
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falfagreat, thats fast21:21
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SKyd3Rswift110_: I'm not sure, I used it for only one day21:32
SKyd3RI like the concept, the more intuitive interface and having a linux like system21:33
swift110_ok21:35
SKyd3Ron the other hand there is a lack of native apps21:38
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keithzgThe upside of the app situation, IMHO, is that the native apps that *do* exist are often of higher quality than their alternatives. For example, I've been using AntennaPod on Android lately, but it isn't quite as good as gPodder; the Android ownCloud News client is great but a bit buggy, while ocNews is rock solid and has a few extra interface perks.21:42
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coderuskimmoli: so, can i buy it in finland retails?22:04
kimmolididn't found22:05
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SKyd3Rkeithzg: but to install gPodder you need to enter on development, right?22:06
SKyd3Rto install the rpm22:06
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keithzgSKyd3R: Naw, you can install RPMs without going into development mode, although I forget now which file browsers in the Store have that feature; I tend to indeed use development mode and just "rpm -ivh mumble.rpm", heh, or more specifically to install Warehouse and Zypper and such and then manage repos and packages through those tools.22:08
keithzgIIRC update10 should enable pyotherside apps in the Harbour, which will mean gPodder can enter the normal Store.22:09
SKyd3Rthat's great news22:09
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SKyd3RI'm used to the terminal, but most of the phone users aren't22:10
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Teguyou can even instal rpm's from the download list (in the settings)22:11
keithzgOh, huh, has that always been true? I *swear* when I first got my Jolla that wasn't true, but maybe I just remember incorrectly.22:12
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Tegunot necessary always. don't remember if it came in some update. als8, apks can also be installed from the same list22:12
keithzgFair enough. Being the kind of person I am, I got into developer mode to get the terminal and to set up SSH as soon as possible, heh, so the window within which I would have installed any other way wasn't very long anyways ;)22:13
Morpog_PCkeithzg, it came in update 4 or 5 iirc22:13
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keithzgMorpog_PC: Aha, fair enough, I think I got my Jolla around update 2 or 3.22:14
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stephgis/was related to the untrusted sources thingy in the settings22:16
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SKyd3Rwell gona rest a little22:30
SKyd3Rcya fellas22:30
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hasdfanyone ordered a jolla recently? waiting so bad..23:02
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chem|sthasdf: it may actually take those 3 business days23:18
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salyavinOrdered a jolla tablet don't expect for 6 months ;)23:23
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mornfallanyone know if the snapdragon SoC in the phone can boot off an sdcard?23:25
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