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comradekinguGot jolaphoner, turned on, wont let me update without an account, why?04:02
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comradekinguis it the same account i made to order one in the webshop?04:08
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comradekingu"Although we had to summon the privateers of the dark seas (who some call  lawyers) to help us draft these Terms of Service, we have done our best  to keep them in control and make sure these terms reflect what we see  as our guiding principles:"04:22
comradekinguThe "them" part seemed strange to me04:23
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tbrcomradekingu: yes you need an account, no it's not the shop account.05:41
comradekinguI would have prefered to be able to use the shop account, and also if the eula and license texts could have been broken down to topics05:42
comradekingu"are you under 13" click to expand,    then the details for that  and so on05:43
Stskeepsfile a together.* topic05:43
Stskeepsin practice the jolla account ties a lot of things together, shop was sadly never integrateable05:43
Stskeepsalso handles if you want early updates, etc05:43
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comradekinguStskeeps: i would prefer if no account was needed, also to have a anonymous account05:45
comradekinguIm pretty sure most of the terms were covered in the initial agreement i read through and accepted05:46
Stskeepscomradekingu: the jolla account stuff on device is for various reasons to contact some repositories with 3rd party hw adaptation bits, from what i recall, so it's more of a technical constraint.. we don't have a unique key in each device so05:53
comradekinguyou mean the mpeg-la stuff?  I dont even want it05:55
Stskeepsno, even modem stuff05:55
Stskeepsmpeg-la is already on device05:55
comradekinguyes but the license05:56
comradekingubtw, change the "lawyers in control" with   "help us keep our bearing"05:56
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comradekingumaybe its bearings05:57
Stskeepsyou should meet our lawyers.. they do CC-licensed NDAs05:57
comradekingui dont even05:58
comradekinguim just ready to go to bed, been awake for waaay too long, firing on maybe 2 cylinders atm05:58
comradekingugoodnight and good luck05:58
Stskeepsgoodnight05:59
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ursanybody know, what the correct $TERM value for fingerterm is? the standard "xterm" value leads to plenty of terminal fuckups for me10:37
ursor does it need a custom terminfo entry?10:38
ln-i've never noticed any fuckups, nor have i heard anyone else complain about such... maybe your trouble is caused by something else than fingerterm.10:39
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tbrurs: did you zoom? I see various weird size related corruption at times10:44
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urstbr: I... think not (actually, I haven't even figured out how to zoom, maybe I did so on accident)10:46
ursAh... but even with different font sizes, same thing.10:47
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ursOf course, it coud be anywhere betwwen fingerterm, mosh, screen and irssi10:47
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tbr*nod*10:48
tbrI've seen some corruption, hard to say if the same :)10:48
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TemeVurs: I've also had some trouble with mosh and fingerterm10:58
TemeViirc blank characters got fuckd up10:58
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TemeVe.g. when changing window in irssi, characters from the previous window stayed visible on the places where is blank in the new window10:59
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tbrI'll need to look at fingerterm anyway to add TOHKBD support11:05
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tbrmaybe I'll find something, although a bit unlikely11:05
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fennekkifingerterm probably doesn't implement a clear that mosh uses11:30
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ursI tried forcing $TERM to ansi too, didn't seem to help11:30
temmi_moomosh has troubles when there are several sessions with different sizes11:31
fennekkiis it xterm by default11:31
temmi_moosome of the sessions can be dead and hung11:31
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ursah well, I'll try consecutively ripping out features from the terminfo description until I find a mworks11:31
fennekkipheh11:31
urserr, a minimal one that works11:31
YanielI should take a look at fingerterm someday11:32
ursback 7 years ago I did the same for zaTelnet on Windows Mobile, and that served me well11:32
Yanielgetting annoyed at it breaking on full-width chars11:32
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Teguand freezing sometimes when clicking menu buttons11:45
Yanieland keys getting stuck11:46
Teguat least opening links and new windows11:46
Teguthat has started to happen to me nly latelyllllllllllllllllllllllylllllllllllllllllll11:46
Tegulike now11:46
Yanielyeeeeeeah11:47
Yanielfor me it started with u911:47
Tegu didn't update to u9 so only after u1011:47
Yanielu10 improved the situation a baaaaaaaaaaaaaiaaaat11:47
Teguor not :D11:48
Yanielwith u9 I had to slow down a lot while typing because of it11:48
ggabriellol, happened to me yesterday11:48
Yanielnow I can mostly type at normal speed again11:48
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ursAh, when using irssi in screen in mosh, fingerterm prints to its stderr: [D] Terminal::ansiSequence:931 - unhandled ansi sequence  'X' (20) ""14:05
urswhich, according to xterm's terminfo, is "ech", erase characters.14:05
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tbrurs: file a ticket or send pull requests - https://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm :)14:08
ursyep, scrolling through the source right now.14:09
ursFirst of all, I'm going to test if a simplified terminfo helps.14:09
Waiteeanyone using pebbled?14:10
Waiteehow do i upload apps to my pebble? :D which folder do i put the .pbw files? :S14:10
ursok, http://urs.nerd2nerd.org/fingerterm.ti actually helps14:12
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cityoflights2does sailos use pulse audio?15:04
Nightmare__https://twitter.com/SituationsApp/status/55030325276051865615:05
Morpog_PComg omg omg :D15:05
Morpog_PCnice15:06
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Nightmare__:)15:07
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Yanielcityoflights2: sailfishos uses pulseaudio yes15:40
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HartziNightmare__: what is that app?15:46
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r0kk3rzHartzi: it seems like a tasker type app15:48
r0kk3rzyou can program it to do things to your phone depending on triggers15:48
r0kk3rzlike turn on wifi, put on silent mode, open apps .etc15:49
Hartziokay15:49
Hartzisounds nice15:49
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Teguis there a way to disable passsord saving dialogs?15:50
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Teguin the browser,that is15:51
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Nightmare__Hartzi: it was a app on symbian3, meego and android to change your current profile and do tasks depending on some triggers like time, location etc.16:06
Nightmare__http://www.pastillilabs.com/situations16:07
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Nightmare__had it on my n8, it was really great16:08
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* RST38h moos17:30
Stskeepsmoo RST38h17:30
Stskeepshappy new year in a few hours17:30
RST38hYeep17:30
RST38h-3:30 and counting17:31
Stskeepshow's life treating you?17:31
RST38hvariably17:31
* RST38h is in Moscow for NY celebrations17:31
Stskeepsnod17:31
RST38hStskeeps: Are you still in .PL?17:31
Stskeepsindeed17:32
Stskeepshave a son, too17:32
RST38hAh, congrats =) Any time being left after parental duties? =)17:32
Stskeepsnot that much17:33
RST38hwink17:33
* RST38h seriously considering introducing kids to the "not playing a game unless you have programmed it yourself" 17:33
Stskeepshehe17:34
Stskeepsgive a raspberry pi, tell them they can play if they can get it working themselves. :P17:34
RST38hKids are not stupid, they won't play with a piece of PCB =)17:35
Stskeepshehe17:35
r0kk3rzor alternatively: https://medium.com/message/playing-with-my-son-e5226ff0a7c317:36
r0kk3rzmake them the greatest gamers ever by raising them on oldschool games17:36
Stskeepsi'm happy with what Duplo enables me to do17:36
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RST38hAh, you can stick a lot of arduinos into that Duplo!17:37
RST38hr0kk3rz: I am afraid they can't quite figure the difference between good graphics and good gameplay nowadays though17:38
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r0kk3rzagreed, in fact from a gameplay perspective, most of the best modern games have bad graphics17:39
RST38hAlso attention spans are waaaay down, even for college graduates.17:39
r0kk3rzand deliberately so17:39
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TMavica_Jolla_Anyone got 2nd TOHLED selling in Finland?17:39
TMavica_Jolla_2nd hand17:39
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r0kk3rzits probably about time kimmoli did another run of toholeds17:57
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kimmolii'm taking orders...17:58
kimmolijust that i cant deliver by 4th jan17:59
r0kk3rzsurely you can post one to HK18:00
TMavica_Jolla_I dont want wait18:01
TMavica_Jolla_lol18:01
TMavica_Jolla_second hand is ok18:01
TMavica_Jolla_lol18:01
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r0kk3rzsure, if you can find one18:02
temmi_mooTOHOLED must have tens of watts18:02
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r0kk3rznot as many watts as LETOH18:04
r0kk3rzalso, toholed has a prox sensor, so its off when its in your pocket18:05
Stskeepscan somebody explain to me why people use tablets to take photos with?18:05
Stskeeps:P18:05
r0kk3rzbecause they like to look retarded?18:06
temmi_mooStskeeps: it looks so cool in selfies to have a gigantic thing in your hands18:06
* RST38h looks up TOHOLED, moos involuntarily18:06
RST38hSecond display for Jollaphone? =)18:06
Stskeepstemmi_moo: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/16/6256729/airvr-attach-your-ipad-directly-to-your-face18:06
Stskeepsor better yet18:08
RST38hIsn't iPad designed for rectal application though?18:08
Stskeepshttp://www.theverge.com/2014/6/27/5850136/fleshlight-launchpad-sex-toy-penetrative-ipad18:08
RST38hOh, yes, THAT is what I meant18:09
temmi_mooi'm reading that TOHO LED18:09
r0kk3rzTOH OLED, not TOHO LED18:09
TMavica_Jolla_if someone want sell 2nd tohled, contact me in twitter. lol18:09
temmi_mooi know, doesn't matter, i'm still reading it that way18:10
temmi_mookimmoli: when could i expect delivery of a keybored toh if i ordered it?18:10
r0kk3rzyeah, im not a big fan of the whole TOH prefix or suffix18:11
kimmolimeh, it is TOHOLED18:11
temmi_mooi almost kind of like it, but TOHO is such a strong concept for me18:11
TMavica_Jolla_TOHOLED18:11
temmi_moohttp://cdn2.berner.eu/cdn22/h9b/hc9/8967435419678.jpg <- a toho18:12
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kimmoliyes, toho...18:13
temmi_mooTMavica_Jolla_: so, when it was minus two thousand degrees kelvin just days ago, did you need long underpants or possibly down filled clothes?18:13
TMavica_Jolla_sure. I wear 6 clothes and 3 pants(included underwear)18:15
TMavica_Jolla_kimmoli: any method?18:15
temmi_moopersonally i like wool a lot since its warmness dynamic is pretty good18:16
temmi_mooit's possible to dress in a huge lot of wool and tolerate being inside in warmth18:16
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TMavica_Jolla_just wear and keep warm, include groves18:19
TMavica_Jolla_but Roviemi is not too cold now18:20
temmi_mooit's warm everywhere18:20
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r0kk3rzhk is the tropics though temmi_moo18:46
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temmi_moosure is18:47
temmi_moothis is why i told mavica that concept of "warm clothes" mean a bit different thing in finland18:47
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mornfalltemmi_moo: wet wool doesn't work very well though, so you need to protect it from moisture18:50
temmi_moohuh?18:50
temmi_moowool performs wet better than most other textiles do18:50
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temmi_moocotton is among the very worst in any layer18:51
temmi_moopersonally i prefer wool over others but usually have the undermost layer in some modern technical cloth as they don't tickle like most wool does18:52
mornfallit's hard to outperform synthetics these days18:52
temmi_moowell yes and no18:52
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temmi_mooi'm living and outdoorsing in environments where open fire is commonly present, which means i'm quite wary of technical textiles18:53
mornfall(although it isn't entirely cheap, so value per unit of currency may work out in favour of wool)18:53
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temmi_moowool is very longlasting18:54
mornfalltell that to my sweaters :-P18:54
temmi_mooi've never seen woollen sweater, all i've seen are cotton18:56
mornfallgrandmother-knit woolen sweater is almost the norm isn't it?18:56
temmi_mooahhh i was thinking of something that might be called a college sweater18:57
temmi_mooanyhoo granny-knit wool is the best18:59
mornfallbut anyway, traditional textiles are all nice and cozy but in adverse weather, I'd go with mostly-synthetic (polartec, goretex)... I'm not very hardcore for suffering in cold rain or snow... :P19:02
mornfallalso, weight is a huge factor when backpacking19:02
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temmi_moothe membranes are not that useful in truly cold19:05
temmi_mooletting sweat out is more useful19:05
temmi_mooso it's more like technical fleeces versus wool19:05
mornfallsure... I don't normally go backpacking when it's freezing though19:05
temmi_mooboth are good19:05
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mornfallso rain is a concern (cold rain more so)19:05
temmi_moogetting wet is a bad thing19:07
temmi_moowhen outdoorsing in wet weather there's the problem that part of the moisture comes from you and that's more or less okay if the cold and warm wetness don't mix19:08
temmi_mooanyway in rain the humidity is 100% so membranes don't breathe any more than a plastic bag19:09
mornfallalthough last time we plowed through 3/4 metres of snow, we were pretty glad for waterproof gear... snow melting on your clothes can be a bitch too19:09
r0kk3rzi need to see finnish cold one of these days19:10
temmi_moogetting wet in snow is what could happen today19:10
r0kk3rz35C doesnt really count19:10
temmi_moothere's snow and weather is just a bit over zero19:10
temmi_mooall of the snow is wet so you don't need to even let it melt, just plowing in it will wet your pants19:11
mornfallit's -4 here, give or take19:11
temmi_moowhere's that?19:11
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r0kk3rzalthough 5C in helsinki was a bit chilly for an australian :P19:11
mornfall.cz19:11
mornfalllast week's projection for this week was almost -15 at night, but that's probably not really happening19:12
mornfall-10 is the lowest in sight, I guess one can live with that :)19:12
temmi_moo:)19:13
* mornfall goes back to assembling a 4k-piece puzzle :-)19:14
kimmoliweather is like bride, white, cold and slippery?19:15
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temmi_moomy bride looks greenish at the moment19:15
* kimmoli hides && makes preparations for night19:16
kimmoliHNY2015 !19:16
temmi_moowife is opening a bottle of zacapa rum and pouring19:17
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RST38h-20C yesterday20:01
RST38hbut warmer today - only -6C right now20:02
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oozboozkimmoli, "...weather is like bride, white, cold and slippery?" white and cold .. sure, but slippery? um..21:12
oozboozHNY 201521:12
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Stskeepshappy new year, finland22:02
M4rtinK<futurama>Happy new year!</futurama>22:02
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pdanekHappy new year!22:04
Aardhappy arbitrary calendar unit rollover!22:04
salyavinI'm waiting for the next significant UNIX epoch22:08
tbr<futurama>Weeellcome to the woorrrld of tomorrrrow!</futurama>22:16
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comradekinguWhere can i correct the norwegian translation?22:26
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comradekingu1.1.1.27 update should read "samt redigere enkeltforekomster av en tilbakevendende hendelse" not "samt redigere enkelthendelser av en tilbakevendende hendelse"22:27
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Aardcomradekingu: in the update text? or in some application?22:37
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comradekinguAard: in the "wait while we are updating" splashscreen22:45
Aardcomradekingu: the one where the device mostly shuts down, and just shows progress bar?22:46
comradekinguyes, except there isnt a progress bar22:46
comradekingunew device, log into store, get os update22:46
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comradekinguif "pull down to install" was accompanied by an arrow downwards ↓ it would be easier for newcomers to grasp what to do22:47
comradekinguwith a little - entry above the arrow22:48
Aardcomradekingu: you should have learned that part from the startupwizard, though :p22:48
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Aardcomradekingu: I filed a bug for our localization team to check your comment22:48
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comradekinguThats not what im asking, im asking where to correct it myself. Those people dont know what they are doing22:49
comradekinguNow that its downloaded there is a progress bar for the install, before there was just a spinning cube with no indication of progress22:49
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Aardcomradekingu: you can't. is more of the norwegian translation broken?22:50
comradekinguits bad all over the place22:50
comradekingui wouldnt call it broken, it just doesnt appear to be written by a norseman22:50
comradekinguWith a good translation you never notice that the device was anything but local, with this you become aware that it wasnt norwegian to begin with22:51
Aardcomradekingu: norwegian is one of the few nationalities we don't have in the company (not counting spouses), though the translations were mostly done by an external company22:52
comradekinguIll do your translations for free22:52
TMavica_Jolla_Happy new year Helsinki22:52
Nc_now 8 minutes away from the Future part of "Back to the Future 2" ... fuck, somewhere I went and got old22:53
Aardcomradekingu: can you query me with an email address? I'll forward it to our l10n head, it'll be up to him to figure out how to get it fixed best22:54
pdanekuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu22:58
pdanekhappy new year22:58
pdanek2 min earlier22:58
pdanekcuz I go out22:58
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jcbjoeHappy New Year My finnish Brothers and Sisters!!23:03
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comradekinguGodt nyttår23:09
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comradekinguhelp, i think i set my keyboard to qwertz layout, how to get qwerty?23:21
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salyavinMaybe settings system textinput23:25
salyavinHope they take you up on free translation23:27
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comradekinguare you also from Norway?23:28
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comradekingumy spacebar says CS  i cant hold it to change language23:44
comradekingustuck on qwertz with no æøå23:44
salyavinNo I am not but I think that's great you would help. My phone is actually running an unofficial Japanese translation.23:47
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comradekingu:)23:48
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jcbjoeguys i'm running sailfish os on my nexus 4 and its cool but i really want my jolla .. the only issue is i'm in the USA and if i get it for $329 i will only have 2g data speeds .. what do you guys think ?23:59

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