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fluxso, I got my pebble. but pebble 0.4 by smoku doesn't seem to like to connect to it :/. the bluetooth is paired, though.13:59
fluxI wonder if it could be because the pebble came with fw v1.14.413:59
fluxor do I really need to find some Android device to set it up?14:00
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the_mgtflux: you need to update the pebble to the latest firmware, 2.something14:18
fluxright, so I need an android to do that :)14:19
the_mgtaye14:20
the_mgtor an apple14:20
Sail0rfirmware update feature is already on roadmap14:22
the_mgtalso, Pebble by smoku is on version 0.15-114:22
fluxhmm14:22
fluxso that's not in warehouse?14:22
the_mgtit is, warehouse messes things up sometimes, deactivate the repo and reactivate it14:23
Sail0rit's in warehouse14:23
the_mgtit wouldn't update for me, from 0.13 to most recent until i reenabled the repo14:23
Sail0rmaybe you used this repo? https://openrepos.net/content/htheb/pebbled14:23
Sail0rthat's the righ one https://openrepos.net/content/smoku/pebble14:23
the_mgtnope14:24
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locusfwarehouse is stupid and install 0.4 instead14:31
locusfjust had this happen in the weekend14:31
fluxwell, now I have 2.8.1 on the device, and been waiting for 6 minutes for warehouse to manage the check for updates operation :)14:35
fluxjolla is warm :)14:36
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fluxworks fine now, though. will play more with it at home.. :)15:00
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fluxso far it has installed only modern watchface, but pdometer aand morpheuz just loop infinitely :/18:17
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Sail0rcreate a bug report @ flux18:26
Sail0rhttps://github.com/smokku/pebble/issues18:26
fluxno known workarounds?18:27
Sail0rI don't think so the app support is brand new18:29
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the_mgtflux: install with android18:57
the_mgtand then see if you can configure it via jolla18:57
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fluxI only have access to one at the office..19:06
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Sail0rshouldn't jolla be on that list, too? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uDdDyheNY_-Z3MtuNoFdBYBooBnUTmlYCOZ3VhcN9Sw/edit?pli=1#gid=019:23
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fluxhmm, I managed to install Pedometer, after a very long wait, though it does crash. is it typical for the uploads to take eons?19:42
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eennaami guess there is no mouse support?20:17
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r0kk3rzeennaam: going to use a bt mouse with your jolla?20:24
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eennaamr0kk3rz: if possible yes20:28
eennaamkeyboard works20:28
fennekkieennaam: using a mouse with the jolla seems... ridiculously awkward due to the amount of stuff that needs or is easier to do with gestures20:29
r0kk3rzi have no idea whether lipstick supports such a thing20:30
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r0kk3rzbut i would expect lower levels to be able to deal with it just fine20:32
eennaamit connects20:33
eennaamjust fine20:33
eennaammaybe not, jolla says i have to enter 0000 on the mouse ... :/20:33
r0kk3rzhahaha20:33
r0kk3rzyeah that might prove an issue20:34
r0kk3rzyou might be able to pair it from command line20:34
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eennaamhmm it says connected now, doest ask for the code anymore20:35
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eennaamno support from lipstick probably20:36
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r0kk3rzcould be even higher than lipstick, and more a lack of support in silica20:37
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eennaamso i just install lqxde20:38
eennaamor what it was called20:38
r0kk3rz?20:39
eennaamlxde qt20:39
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r0kk3rzthat sounds like a lot of effort to go through20:41
NijuCan the Jolla do what old Nokia's could and ring an alarm when the phone is switched off?20:42
ottuloyup20:42
ottuloI haven't tested it myself, but they did say it has the feature20:43
NijuAwesome!  I never did find a way to do that on android20:43
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fennekkiit should be easy to test by setting an alarm to expire in one minute and powering off20:44
NijuI will when I get it. :)20:44
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r0kk3rzreally? intriguing20:49
r0kk3rzi dont quite understand why you need an alarm when you're phones off20:50
r0kk3rzbut sure why not20:50
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Obi-Lanold nokia had alarm working even it had battery empty and phone shutdown20:51
attahr0kk3rz: alarm clock when the phone is turned off for the night or even have shut down because of low battery.. pretty essential if you want it as only alarm clock20:51
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fennekkiObi-Lan: the battery won't have been empty, it'd be a physical impossibility for that to happen. It might not have enough charge to properly stay on, though20:51
svuorelayeah. going to sleep after your phone number has been slashdotted and still able to use the phone as a alarm clock.20:52
NijuYeah, in the old nokia days you could atually switch your phone off for the night and the alarm would still wake you up in the morning20:52
ottulor0kk3rz: or when you want to avoid calls/messages during the night but still want an alarm20:52
Nijuexactly :)20:52
r0kk3rzottulo: thats what flight mode is for20:52
ottuloofc now you can simply switch to airplane mode20:52
Obi-Lanfennekki: or battery gained little power after phone was shutdown20:52
ottulor0kk3rz: but it wasn't when the old Nokias were around20:53
ottuloplus if the only thing you want from the phone is to wake you up, it's kinda useless to have it consume battery all night :)20:53
r0kk3rzthe jolla consumes practically nothing over night20:53
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r0kk3rzeven without flight mode enabled20:53
fennekkiObi-Lan: possible, yes20:54
fennekkir0kk3rz: depends on what you run20:54
ottulosure, I'm not saying it's mandatory nowadays, but I can see the appeal20:54
fennekkir0kk3rz: It's not uncommon for me to lose 20% overnight20:54
r0kk3rzfennekki: really? what are you running?20:54
fennekkiAndroid apps20:55
fennekkic:20:55
r0kk3rzthe graph in system monitor is extremely flat over night for me20:55
fennekkiwhenever I don't have alien active in idle I lose practically nothing20:55
r0kk3rzbut if you really cared you might kill a few things over night20:55
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r0kk3rzi dont tend to leave many apps open anyway20:57
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NijuSo what kinda battery life are you getting with your usage?21:01
Nijuover all21:01
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fennekkiI usually get one day of usage but again, if my phone uses 20% overnight at worst, this might not reflect a common usage case for most people21:02
Obi-Lan>2 days21:03
Obi-Lanthough I mostly use just mail21:03
attahi get 3 sometimes with normal usage :)21:04
attah4 if i just do email21:04
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the_mgtup to 4 days on low usage, just reading incoming mails and some phone calls. less than 5% drain overnight21:05
the_mgtwith pebble connected, about 2 days21:05
NijuGoing by that I should get maybe 2 days then21:06
NijuI message a fair bit and browse21:06
the_mgtsometimes 1 day, if i playback music via bluetooth and use the pebble21:06
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Nijuis there a current/power drain app or is that part of sailfish?21:06
attahmusic, low coverage, and the works still won't make it last less than a day :)21:07
the_mgtI use Lighthouse app sometimes, and there is another one21:07
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the_mgtgps, mobile data, bluetooth and wifi is always on here, lots of wifi connectivity for me21:07
the_mgtoh, and rather good network coverage, due to moving around in a large town. I heard from a friend in sweden, living in a rural place, that his battery drains from network seeking alone21:08
attahthe_mgt: still nowhere as bad as the N9 on that front hough.. i could drain it in 15-20 minutes :P21:10
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attahNiju: there is the built-in "powertop" seems good, but i have little experience of using it21:11
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NijuI'd be interested to know rough standby current ma or power Wh numbers21:11
messertingHi, please help, my touch screen has stopped working. I can ssh to the phone, is there anything in dmesg that can confirm that the touch device is broken?21:11
messertingtapping power button works, and screen works21:12
messertingI cannot unlock, since it is not responing to touch21:12
Nijuattah: I use powertop on Linux :)21:12
Nijudidn't know it was on sailfish :D21:12
attahit's very "Linux" :)21:12
Niju:)21:13
attahnot at all as gated as android.. you can actually do stuff from the command line21:13
attah..like poking around the package manager21:14
Mikaelafinding the package manager was lovely, I just installed Python and then pip to Python and then I got Limnoria (IRC bot) running on it21:15
Mikaelagood night21:15
messertingis this the touch device?: [TP] read A8h 1 bytes return failure, -11021:16
messertingalso have: [TP] Failed to read CTPM Vendor ID[0xa8]:0x0 (rc=-110)21:16
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messertingok, I found this https://together.jolla.com/question/60696/i2c-problem-all-sensor-tests-show-a-fail/21:20
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messertingIs there a way to extract all contacts to a .vcs file from the command line one the jolla?21:23
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Sail0rhttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202459088-How-do-I-copy-my-contacts-from-Jolla-to-another-phone-or-a-computer-21:26
Sail0r@ messerting21:26
Sail0rit's not commandline but works21:27
messertingSail0r: Thanks!21:27
Sail0ras root maybe vcardconverter -e filename.vcs should work21:28
messertingVery nice to have that all.vcf file in the .vault!21:28
messertingWill have to go back to my good old N9 for I while I guess21:28
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Sail0rwhy?21:28
messertingtouch device stopped working on Jolla21:29
messertingmaybe proximity sensor21:29
messertingdon't know, will contact care21:29
Sail0rah ok21:29
r0kk3rzmesserting: you can do some probing with mcetool21:30
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messertingr0kk3rz: ok, how?21:30
r0kk3rztrying to find a decent reference21:31
r0kk3rzthrough the GUI you can certainly test all hardware with it21:31
r0kk3rzbut that probably wont help you21:31
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r0kk3rzyou can use cli flags to disable the prox sensor21:31
falfaMy usb connector is breaking down, its trashed :-(21:31
ajiajijaihi, has anyone experienced issues while resetting password for jolla/together.jolla.com account? I reset it several times; it says, reset succesful, but when I try to log in, it fails.21:32
messertingr0kk3rz: excerpt of my dmesg: http://fpaste.org/171626/42170314/21:32
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messertingr0kk3rz: I tried "mcetool --set-ps-mode=disabled", but that didn't help - still not responding to taps21:34
r0kk3rzyeah contact care then21:35
messertingwill do. Pity I can't use my Jolla for a while :/21:37
Nicd-hmm21:37
Nicd-my sshd is saying "sshd[20737]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/nemo"21:38
Nicd-so it refuses my key21:38
Nicd-what's the modes for /home/nemo supposed to be?21:38
Nicd-currently they are drwxrwxr-x nemo system21:38
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tevechmod 75021:39
keithzgNicd-: On my Jolla they're "drwxr-x--- nemo nemo"21:39
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Nicd-hmm, wonder why system owns it21:39
r0kk3rzchown it to nemo21:40
Nicd-well, setting 0750 fixed it21:40
Nicd-didn't need to chown to nemo:nemo21:40
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* keithzg is unrepentantly newschool in some ways; never bothered to learn octal for permissions, would rather do "chmod og-w" and such.21:43
stephgew ;)21:45
keithzgOh, my affinity for things which directly represent the result rather than the mechanical state underlying it gets even worse: I tend to use nano :P21:46
* keithzg braces for the barrage of rotten tomatoes21:47
r0kk3rzusing octal is needlessly low level21:47
r0kk3rzits like 'i know, how can we make setting permissions even more obtuse than it already is'21:47
* stephg doesn't see any difference21:47
stephgwell to be fair it's outmoded, incomplete and obsolete :)21:48
stephgtbh I find og-w much harder to read...21:48
keithzgAs is your perogative as someone who's learned the octal representations! But for myself, seeing "g (group) o (others) - (remove/subtract) w (write permissions)" is waaaaay more straightforward.21:49
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r0kk3rzyeah if you know the concept of how linux file permissions work21:52
r0kk3rzthen its pretty easy to learn the symbols21:52
r0kk3rzrather than first looking at a directory in rwxrwxr-x notation21:53
r0kk3rzconverting that to octal21:53
r0kk3rzthen figuring out what number to give to chmod to change what you want21:53
r0kk3rzinstead of saying 'well i want to add execute permissions to everyone'21:53
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the_mgt+1 for nano and og-w21:56
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