#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2015-01-22

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HtheBguys, somehow my new Jolla is bricked00:28
HtheBit was downloading the essential apps, while it was also downloading the firmware upgrade00:28
HtheBbut it kept me giving "Jolla Store errors"00:29
coderusjolla store errors doesnt mean bricked :D00:29
HtheBso, I rebooted, and now it shows me the Jolla logo, then a black screen. It looks like the device IS on, because when I try to turn the phone back on again, it actually turns itself off (red led)00:29
coderusah, bricked :D00:30
HtheBcoderus: if you get a blackscreen, and it doesnt do anything anymore: that is kinda like a brick dont you think> :)00:30
HtheBheheh00:30
coderusfill bug about bricked if downloading the essential apps, while it was also downloading the firmware upgrade00:30
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HtheBhttps://together.jolla.com/question/77668/bug-brand-new-jolla-bricked-while-downloading-essential-apps-and-fw-upgrade/00:36
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HtheBcoderus: any idea if there is some way to flash the phone? :/00:37
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coderusHtheB: recovery not working?00:39
HtheBhow to enter recovery mode?00:39
HtheBi pressed up, and power on: it vibrates00:39
HtheBthen nothing happens00:39
coderushttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode-00:39
HtheBpressing down and power button: will show jolla logo only00:39
HtheBah ok00:40
HtheBlet me check it00:40
coderusread article first00:40
coderusyou need to telnet to device when in recovery mode00:40
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HtheBLOL! Google Galaxy Nexuys ADB Interface ...00:42
HtheBNexus*00:42
coderusLOL00:43
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HtheBoh f*ck my life00:45
HtheBthis sht doesn't work on XP :( ?00:45
coderusinstall https://coderus.openrepos.net/flasher/Nokia%20EthernetRNDIS%20based%20Device/00:46
coderusprobably it will help00:46
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coderusbut yeah, you will need to connect to telnet to fix your phone00:46
coderususing linux live cd/usb is best option00:46
HtheBputty works but the drivers was the problem00:46
HtheBlet me try your flasher00:46
coderusits not my flasher00:47
coderusits just drivers for ethernet device00:47
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HtheBnope, doesnt work00:47
HtheB:(00:47
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HtheBoh wait00:48
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HtheBi have a jolla driver for xp laying somewhere00:48
HtheBhmm this is weird, I remember that this driver worked for me before00:50
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HtheBlucky i still have my half broken win8 laptop laying around :p00:59
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HtheBcoderus: flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing.01:04
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HtheBno luck01:38
HtheBeven after chaning the recovery mode file01:38
HtheBSTILL the same error01:39
HtheBYeah I already tried, it gives me the following error: Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing.  I already followed this: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763#31 But still the same problem.  I just find out that this guy had the same problem like me but there is no solution on it :( https://together.jolla.com/question/74278/black-screen-after-switching-on/ HtheB (13 mins ago)edit01:39
HtheB(oops, wrong paste)01:39
HtheBFlashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing. <<< correct paste :p01:39
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coderusHtheB: pm01:57
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Mikaelaebook adventures: I didn't find where to change FBReader's directory to sdcard easily, so I made symlink from there to my books directory and that worked.08:39
MikaelaThe hardware volume keys don't work to change the page unlike settings say, but page is changed by clicking the part of screen where you want to move. I think I will survive with this and I think it said that it's alpha version or something.08:39
Mikaelanow if I will find bookmarks somewhere, I am happy08:40
* Stskeeps studies http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/castar-augmented-reality,3742-3.html08:41
Mikaelait remembers the page though08:41
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tbrhmm, no native fbreader yet?08:46
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Mikaelathere is alpha or something08:51
Mikaelahttp://fbreader.org/content/jolla08:51
Mikaela(which I am actually talking about)08:51
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tbrah, somehow I thought you were talking about the android version. probably because of the buttons08:53
MikaelaI was complaining the Android version yesterday08:53
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Mikaelahi09:00
sebsebsebMikaela: hi09:00
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LordChavez83hello10:16
sebsebsebhi10:17
LordChavez83does someone know when toh keyboard will be available for those who couldnt back the funding?10:21
sebsebsebno, but I would like one of those :)10:22
Nicd-no info, also could be never10:22
tbrLordChavez83: there was some small quantity on sale10:22
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tbrbut if those ran out, tough luck10:22
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cybettehttp://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9#!/TOHKBD2-PRE-ORDER/p/42141285/category=914109010:23
LordChavez83tbr: okay need to check on thaz10:23
cybette165 available10:23
LordChavez83awesome ty10:23
tbrbe quick!10:23
sebsebseboh keyboards available :)10:23
Nicd-ooh, they have added new it seems10:23
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sebsebsebthe keyboard10:26
sebsebsebis also the case?10:26
* sebsebseb only got Jolla phone recently so...10:26
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sebsebsebtbr: what's the backplate and10:27
sebsebsebyeah10:27
zuttois the estimated delivery still in feb?10:27
sebsebsebwhat does it mean by backplate10:27
sebsebsebon that link?10:27
Nicd-zutto: it never was in february I think. should be april/may10:27
zuttohmh10:28
zuttoi wonder where i remember that february from10:28
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tbrsebsebseb: the tohkbd2 is a back-cover with exposed contacts and a separate keyboard unit that latches on through magnets. the keyboard itself has a backside that can be chosen.10:29
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sebsebsebwhat's the backplate on the link?  the back of the thing?10:29
tbrthere is this combination choser thing, where you can try how the combinations look like10:29
Nicd-http://funkyotherhalf.com/10:30
Nicd-colour picker for tohkbd10:30
Nicd-sebsebseb: ^10:30
tbryes, use that10:30
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sebsebsebuh slow stuff on computer, but wil be on that soon10:33
sebsebsebknown about keyboard for a whie, but yes I need one for sure as a touch typist :)10:36
mornfallas if touchtyping had anything with anything :P10:37
sebsebsebmornfall: what do you mean?10:39
sebsebseband it's so slow to use a touch screen for messages I find10:39
mornfallthe phone keyboard is thumbs-operated10:39
sebsebseb16 years or so touch typing experience10:39
sebsebsebmornfall: oh10:39
mornfallobviously10:39
sebsebseboh it' not like a real keyboard then10:39
tbrsebsebseb: did you ever use a device this size with a keyboard?10:40
mornfallgood luck fitting 10 fingers onto a ~4" device10:40
sebsebseb,but using thumbs on a keyboard would probably still be better than just  on the screen with fingers10:40
tbrsebsebseb: I'm a touch typist myself, but it's a very different experience and you won't get all the 2x4 fingers on the thing, etc10:40
LordChavez83i did on my old Motorola, and i kinda miss thst keyboard.10:40
tbrstill it's a very nice and tactile thing to have a keyboard10:41
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* tbr looks at his 9300, N900, N950 and tohkbd2-proto10:41
tbrah, look who's here on cue10:41
sebsebsebI thought it was just some attachment thing that would give  a small, but more real keyboard10:42
LordChavez83it is10:42
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sebsebsebyeah, but not like a computer keyboard?10:42
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LordChavez83in terms of size it isnt. but you got all the important keys as well as up,down,left,right keys.10:45
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LordChavez83it will make my life a way easier.. even tho it'll make my jolla thicker and heavier10:46
LordChavez83but you still can connect some of those tablet keyboards via bluetooth i suppose10:46
LordChavez83tbr: do you experience higher battery drain whilr using the proto?10:47
tbrsebsebseb: it has a very similar layout, but if you never used a keyboard that's smaller than a PC keyboard, then it's hard to explain10:47
tbrLordChavez83: nothing noticeable, also the keyboard is most of the time detached, so the only possible drain would be in the level shifter and I doubt that10:48
Nicd-sebsebseb: did you even look at the pictures? :D10:48
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lordchavez83-bascheckin10:50
LordChavez83ill switch to my computer10:50
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cvp_coderus, huhu :) do you find a bit of time to check the icq part ? :)12:06
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coderuscvp_: no12:11
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cvp_coderus, ok :(12:16
coderusvery busy after arriving to home12:16
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dr_gogeta86hi guys12:56
sebsebsebdr_gogeta86: hi12:56
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LordChavez83Basehi12:58
sebsebsebLordChavez83Base: hi12:59
cvp_hey13:00
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tadzikhm, Wesnoth for android is quite well done and runs quite well14:08
tadzikI wonder what would it take to have it natively, perhaps another gsoc project :)14:08
sebsebsebtadzik: what's Wesnotch?14:09
Accesebsebseb: a nice turn based strategy game14:10
sebsebseboh ok14:10
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chem|steleroux: you did replace call-ui tag with call-app tag?14:25
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chem|steleroux: I just point to phone-app for now this seems to be messed up completly14:28
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elerouxchem|st: I didn't touch this tag, let me check14:32
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elerouxchem|st: https://together.jolla.com/questions/77726/revisions/ you retagged?14:35
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elerouxchem|st: call-ui tag is authorized so you should be able to use it14:36
chem|styes, as it is the only post with call-ui14:37
chem|stall other call-ui posts are not tagged with call-ui, but some are call-app (there is no such thing as call-app)14:37
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chem|steleroux: so this is gonna be about naming conventions...14:40
elerouxchem|st: indeed. If you just have a search with call for tags it's obvious we should clean-up ;)14:42
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elerouxchem|st: see https://together.jolla.com/question/17364/cleaning-up-together-please-join/14:43
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chem|steleroux: well I know about these, but I am not willing to spend ours of retagging again, without bulk editing this is hours of work14:44
elerouxchem|st: a little at a time is pretty manageable ;)14:45
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chem|steleroux: yes, I stick to the first 3 pages at most^^14:52
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Mikaelait also seems that fbreader doesn't keep screen open while not in charget so I must probably find the setting somewhere else or I cannot even finish current page17:07
Mikaelaoh, that was easy. Settings --> Display --> Power off the display in 15 seconds. I will test minute.17:07
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coderusNew SailfishOS Browser Nightly build is on OpenRepos! https://openrepos.net/content/sailfishbrowsernightly/sailfish-browser-nightly18:10
Sceltcoderus: is that an official nighlty?18:11
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coderusScelt: read description18:16
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coderusI added some rootkits and malware18:17
coderusalso it steals all your passwords and send to my virtual server in china18:17
SceltI thought more about stability18:18
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coderusno idea how much it stable18:18
coderusbut imho it's more stable than current :)18:19
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coderusbecause of new engine :)18:19
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faenilcoderus, new engine? they moved away from gecko31?18:20
coderusfaenil: 31 now18:22
faenilupdate9 and 10 was already 31 wasn't it18:22
coderussure18:22
faenilok18:22
coderusengine is not only gecko18:23
coderusits qtmozembed also :)18:23
coderussitu have xulrunner 35 if you want to be on the edge :D18:23
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faenilok ;)18:30
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faenilno I was curious about gecko as there were compilation issues with gcc4.8 on gecko31 ;)18:30
faenilgot to go, cya18:30
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Mikaelathe browser didn't feel so nice, so I could probably try that19:05
Mikaelanice, no need to find it from warehouse, because it's on top19:06
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Mikaelathe browser doesn't seem to start after installing that. I will try rebooting.19:12
coderusyeah it might require rebooting or /sbin/ldconfig19:12
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Mikaelanow it started19:15
coderuscool :)19:15
MikaelaI think my new homepage is http://ekami.fi/opiskelijalle/lounaslista (school lunch list) as I must probably use something as homepage and I don't like the animation starting playing on jolla.com always when I open browser.19:17
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keithzgMikaela: Could always make your homepage something local, so you could make it as barebones as you want (<html><head></head><body>Hi!</body></html>) and it'd load pretty instantaneously ;)20:01
Mikaelabut captive portals so it must be something remote :(20:01
Mikaelaor how does jolla check if there is captive portal?20:02
Stskeepsit contacts ipv4/ipv6.jolla.com20:02
Mikaeladoes it even perform the check without me having to wonder about it and I can use local one?20:02
Stskeepsoutside browser20:02
Mikaelaah nice, then I can probably do local one.20:02
Mikaelado I need to install some httpd or does it understand file:///?20:02
Stskeepsshould understand file:///20:02
Stskeepsit's gecko engine20:02
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Mikaelaok20:04
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kimmoliiekku: ping, first now in QA-queue... if there is questions, tester can ping/query me here (preferred if possible?)20:45
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HtheByo all21:00
Mr_K__hi21:00
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HtheBcoderus, you around?21:01
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HtheBI have an idea about multitasking witih android apps21:03
coderusHtheB: sure21:03
HtheBas you know, when you minimize android apps, it will freeze it21:04
Mr_K__my first one reboot every five seconds. Any idea ?21:04
HtheBbut if you open event view, it wont pause or freeze the app. Even if you go into a sub menu from the eventviewer21:05
HtheBSo technically, it should be possible to run android apps in the background21:05
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coderusprobably21:06
HtheBthis is handy for apps like Youtube, playing in the background, or youtube continue playing when you lcok the screen (handy for music)21:06
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HtheBjust wanted to know if such thing could actually be possible or not21:07
coderusno idea :)21:07
HtheBwell, you're one of the biggest sailfish os gurus...21:08
HtheBif you don't know, then who would? :(21:08
HtheBwho will *21:08
coderusi'm just busy now21:08
coderusneed to watch som tv shows with my gf21:08
coderusand then i can check it :D21:08
HtheBoh hahhah :D21:09
HtheBno prob!21:09
HtheBsay hi to her :)21:09
HtheBwhich show is it anyway? :p21:09
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coderusThe Flash :D21:09
HtheBugh, dont mention anything about the word "Flash" :D :D : D:D21:10
HtheBgot a trauma since last night :D21:10
coderusvia DC Comics21:10
HtheByeah, it's a good one :)21:11
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keithzgHeh finally doing the Jolla Tablet UX questionnaire, didn't read the examples for "What are the top 5 local applications and services for you?" at first and so I was thinking "hmm, I guess bash, wget, python..."22:28
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r0kk3rzkeithzg: yeah but you're already going to get all of that22:30
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r0kk3rzso you say things that maybe you wont get, or arent already available22:31
keithzgr0kk3rz: Oh, yeah, I know. Hence why I've listed "Environment Canada weather", because honestly any other weather service is kindof uselessly inaccurate where I live (reminds me I need to buckle down and actually write a plugin for MeeCast for Environment Canada one of these days)22:33
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r0kk3rzkeithzg: by the time you get the tablet jolla might have their own weather thingie22:34
r0kk3rzthey mentioned it in their iteration planning announcement22:34
keithzgr0kk3rz: They were saying Forca, right? I seem to remember something about that in the 2015 plan22:34
r0kk3rzyeah22:34
keithzgI dunno I have a soft spot for OMWeather/MeeCast.22:35
keithzgI hope they have it so arbitrary apps can plug in as the providers.22:35
r0kk3rzwould be silly if they didnt22:35
r0kk3rzbut meecast works pretty well tbh22:35
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keithzgYeah, as an app I really like it, I just need to write the Canada provider for it so it's a tad more accurate for me personally. I loved how it was able to replace the dumb AccuWeather widget on the N9.22:36
keithzgThe provider behind AccuWeather was, ironically, *really* not accurate.22:38
keithzgAnd as a bearded hippie I hated the ads ;)22:38
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keithzgThe whole active-covers thing does make MeeCast already pretty simple to glance at, but yeah, I hope the sailors find it as obvious as we do to make sure the upcoming lockscreen widget can be run from other apps! (hint hint!)22:40
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HtheBcoderus: how was it?:D22:47
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coderusHtheB: cool :D22:56
HtheBDC comics <3 :)22:56
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HtheByo dirkvl22:56
HtheBdirkvl_:22:57
HtheBcoderus: do you have any android app on your jolla?22:57
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dirkvl_hello?23:04
dirkvl_HtheB:23:04
HtheBsup23:04
dirkvl_que pasa23:04
dirkvl_or resolved already?23:05
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HtheByeah23:05
HtheBthe files were just located at /usr/share/ambiance/23:06
HtheBcopied all mp323:06
HtheBmp3's* to /usr/share/sounds/stereo/23:06
HtheBnow i can mix my ringtones with different OH's :p23:06
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coderusHtheB: a lot23:12
HtheBhave you tried out my method already to see whats happening?23:13
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HtheBsoon we will have dirkvl____________________23:16
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coderusno, i'm busy fighting with windows in virtualbox :D23:22
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coderusinstalled qtcreator to compile my test project for windows, accidentaly clicked on designer button and everything exploded :D23:25
coderusit looks like this now:23:25
coderushttp://paste.ubuntu.com/982637223:25
coderusand both vm and virtualbox manage not responding anymore :D23:25
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HtheBauch23:27
coderussaving all critical data and will reboot then23:28
coderusand will move to vmware now :D23:28
HtheBvmware <323:28
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dunphow about kvm?23:36
lachs0rso why does the SDK insist on running a VM instead of letting me specify any host to connect to?23:36
dunpqemu+kvm<323:37
lachs0rI’d use kvm or lxc if it would let me23:37
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lachs0ror rather: why is it not using libvirt23:38
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