#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2015-02-28

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Morgawrhttp://i.imgur.com/8dL8H8M.png Yay, I got erlang runnong on my jolla00:59
Morgawrrunning*00:59
MorgawrTook a long time to compile but it's cool01:00
M4rtinKEiffel next! :)01:01
MorgawrI was hoping golang but I think that might be harder01:01
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coderusAndroid notifications updated to v0.5.0 with moooore settings :) https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/android-notifications04:32
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jaacoppiMy first day experiences with Jolla Phone & Sailfish: http://fromasailfishosnoob.tumblr.com05:31
jaacoppiTime to start the second day05:31
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tiwakejaacoppi: heh... I cant do stuff like that.. all I'd say is "I plugged it in and it worked the way I wanted it to." or something06:18
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jaacoppitiwake: you mean you can't "write good"? That's what I thought before I started to write yesterday.06:54
tiwakejaacoppi: no... I would summarize things to contain condensed information such that it takes the "feel" out of the wording06:56
tiwakethats also why I cant just write a fictional story... I've tried06:57
jaacoppiI work for a local government agency so writing condensed information without any feelings is what I do for a living. I try to write this one differently06:59
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tiwake*shrug*07:02
tiwakethe thing I write the most of is programs for CNC machines :P07:02
ursWtf, theboperating system is showing me ads in the notification area!07:09
ursJust now I have an ad for the forcea weather app in my notification area.07:09
ursDear jolla, I never opted in for you to give my unsolicited ads.07:10
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svuorela..I have yet to experience that.07:13
Stskeepsurs: screenshot?07:14
urshow do I take a screenshot?07:15
Stskeepsscreenshot tools exist in store07:16
ursok, let me see07:16
svuorelaor just go 'analog' and use a camera07:17
jaacoppior a smith & wesson, that's a screen shot as well07:18
urshttp://urs.nerd2nerd.org/20150228091822.jpg <-- here, the top one07:22
svuorelanice theme and icons, btw.07:23
Stskeepsah, but that's more like a feature notification..07:23
Stskeepsas that's where weather would sit07:24
Stskeepsnot a place for ads07:24
Stskeepsit's a bit like store advertising jolla apps07:24
Stskeepsbut now that you mention it, it'd be a brilliant place to send ads to07:24
* Stskeeps patents07:24
Stskeeps:P07:24
tiwakeStskeeps: lol07:24
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svuorelaI might agree with urs that it is something peolpe should explicit ask for.07:25
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Stskeepssvuorela: otoh, we advertise software updates there too07:25
Stskeepsit's a bit of a balancing act07:25
Stskeepsit's a sailfishos feature powered by foreca data07:25
Teemuif he does not yet have the foreca app, why is it saying something in there?07:26
Stskeepsbecause it's a new feature, like we have hints that show how to use the phone, there's hints on how to get better use of your phone in this area07:27
Stskeepsyou should be able to dismiss it i presume with a bit of tap-n-holding?07:27
tiwakeyeah... why would I need a thing to tell me its raining outside?07:27
Stskeepsthere's a 'no thanks' in the tap-n-hol menu07:28
Stskeepsd07:28
Stskeepsand it disappears07:28
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* Stskeeps downloads software for MWC demos07:30
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Stskeepsanyway, i understand the problematique: i wouldn't personally call it an ad. no data has been exchanged about the notification so it's not a personalised ad. you can opt out of it with ease.07:31
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ursStill, it is the operating system telling me, in a very prominent spot, about an ad I don't want.07:33
ursFor me, that is the same as advertising.07:33
Stskeepss/ad/feature/g07:33
Stskeepsand instead of us preinstalling it, you have a choice not to get it, while a majority of people would want to know how to get that feature07:34
Stskeeps(IMHO)07:34
Stskeepssince it's told about in release notes07:34
ursYou don't have to justify it, all I ask for is a way to permanently disable it.07:35
Stskeepssure, tap-and-hold and it disappears07:35
Stskeeps'no thanks'07:35
ursBut in the next update, another one may appear in its spot, right?07:35
Stskeepsno clue07:35
Stskeepssome OS'es boot up with a kiosk mode introducing you the new features07:36
Stskeepswhat's more invasive vs telling users how to use their devices better with the updated systems?07:36
ursSure, but they typically have a "don't show these hints anymore" option.07:36
Stskeepsi'll be fair and say that i won't be able to get this discussed since it's MWC next week; can you contact care about your concern and mention 'carsten munk told me to send this, could you cc him' and i'll take it forward?07:37
Stskeepswill take a bit07:37
ursok, sure07:37
Stskeepsour next software sync meeting is first in like, 10 days07:38
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jaacoppiPeople app shows my contacts from SIM. In my previous phone, I had a name for every contact. People shows that name under "Nicknames". Android apps seem to use the name in "First name" and "Last name". How do I convert all entries automagically (150 of them) so that Android apps can see my contact list names?08:12
jaacoppiif I manually write a first name and last name, People starts using that instead of Nickname, so it seems that's the way to go08:12
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Teguhm, I wonder when python3 has appeared to my jolla. did it come with u10 or like ytplayer (that uses youtube-dl)12:13
Mikaelanot with u10, so probably ytplayer or something12:14
LiekeSailfish OS 1.0.3.8 added Python 3.3.3 and PyOtherSide to the repositories.12:14
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Mikaelait wasn't installed by default here and neither was Python and there was some reason why I installed them12:15
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Teguoki, it was seadevil. so I had installed it on my own (as expected)12:34
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coderusPowersave menu entry for Jolla Settings. Can be added to favorites. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/jolla-powersave-settings17:05
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ikarushrm, anyone know how well Android applications can access Bluetooth devices17:36
ikaruslooking at a exercise band thing17:36
coderusikarus: afaik it something about 0%17:38
ikaruscoderus: ick :(17:38
ikaruscoderus: the Bluetooth API in Android isn't too hard to translate to vanilla Bluez 417:39
ikarus(I've programmed for both), so I'm surprised they haven't17:39
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ikarusalthough it looks like this one might not work well anyway as it is sync based and not realtime17:41
ikarusand I wanted realtime data on my phone17:41
ikarusBut at 28 euro that is a shame17:41
ikarusthat I couldn't even use it as intended with Jolla17:42
ikaruswonder if I could reverse engineer the application on a cheap Android device17:44
ikarusalthough I have no BT 4.0 devices I think17:44
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ikarusguess I will wait for a Pebble fitness band17:48
ikarusgiven that that is atleast practically open tech17:48
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Sail0ruse a normal pebble watch17:52
Sail0rwith misfit or up17:53
fredrinjolla + pebble = not soo good combo17:53
ikarusSail0r: ordered the newer Pebble17:53
ikarusfredrin: it's better then other smartwatches with Jolla17:54
Sail0rfredrin: why? mine is working great with jolla17:54
ikarusand it has an API, I don't mind programming17:54
fredrinI got that combo my self17:54
fredrinJolla + Pebble Steel17:54
Sail0rsame here17:54
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ursIt works so-so-ish. Notifications work of course.17:54
Sail0rand js api apps17:55
ursBut since aliendalvik can't talk to bluetooth, nothing with a android companion app works.17:55
fredrinMaybe you can tell me why locations are a problem17:55
ikarusurs: given that I want it for notifications and my calender, I think it's a fit for me17:55
ursikarus: yes, that should work17:55
fredrinSail0r: Or Watchfaces that need to get some weather data17:55
Sail0rwell I don't use anything with android17:55
ikarusurs: I wish Aliendalvik would be a little more open, because old-fashioned (3.x-4.3) Android BT support is not too hard to integrate17:55
fredrinnever works is my experience17:55
ikarusurs: because it is a very thin layer on top of Bluez 417:55
Sail0rfredrin: I always use a fixed location that's why I never have a problem17:55
Sail0rand yelp works great with location as long as being connected to only a mobile network and not wifi17:56
fredrinI travell alot17:56
fredrinit's not a big deal, but annoying17:56
Sail0ryeah, I understand17:56
fredrinbut not enough to do anything about it :)17:57
Sail0rit's a bit sad that nobody wants to really look at the issue17:57
Sail0rI am not a programmer myself so I cannot do anything about it :x17:57
Sail0rbut provide bug reports ^^17:57
ikarusSail0r: the location tracking is something I could probably fix17:58
Sail0rAnd I am still considering to pledge for the new pebble :x17:58
* ikarus just needs to find space in her schedule for it17:58
Sail0rikarus: hehe17:58
Sail0rcool17:58
ikarusoh and I need an actual pebble17:58
ikarusso May at the earliest it seems17:58
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Sail0r:)17:59
Sail0rfor me it looks like an timeout issue or something similar17:59
Sail0rbecause for me it first does not work in yelp! but trying it again works17:59
Sail0rfirst try always => fail second try most of the time is a success17:59
ikarusSail0r: sounds like some silly bug that should be solveable18:00
Sail0ryep18:00
fredrinI got problems with data aswell, like the app called 'btc simple' Just hangs on loading the price all the time18:00
fredrinThe music app can not controll the volume of the Jolla18:01
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Sail0rI hope the new pebble brings many developers to Jolla who want their brand new pebble run on Jolla ;)18:01
Sail0rfredrin: but this maybe a problem of the Jolla integration18:01
ikarusSail0r: well, I was on the edge of buying a Pebble anyway, to go with my Jolla18:01
ikarusas I like companies with this attitude18:01
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Sail0rI don't know if they implemented volume control18:01
ikarusbut the new watch just pushed me over18:01
Sail0r:)18:02
ikarusgetting one in red, but I need to find a bit more subdued, but girly band to go with it18:02
Sail0rI don't really like the design18:02
Sail0rbut I like pebble and the idea behind them18:02
Sail0rso maybe I just pledge for the new one and my boyfriend gets my steel :P18:02
ikarusSail0r: well, I'd like it a bit smaller, but I know enough about electronics that I know they really can't18:02
ikarusI wonder if there is a "NATO band" (even though the rear charge port makes it a bit of a nuisance) that is a bit girly18:03
ikarushaven't worn watches in years18:03
ikarusbecause I like the low profile of them18:04
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attahAre there any good ways to check or make sure bugs from TJC has been added to the internal tracker?18:35
ikarusattah: asking is I think the only way18:37
attahokay.. anyone willing to answer if the tel-link-bug has been received?18:38
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aurum23somebody in here from jolla who feels responsible for security issues?20:03
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Yanielsecurity @ jolla . com? or something lime that20:06
Yaniellike*20:06
ikarusprobably, IRC tends to not be the place for stuff like that20:07
aurum23that's what i think, too... thought maybe i can get a query from someone like a dev of sailfish os or else...20:07
aurum23and even together.jolla.com feels insecure to me to post something really security related... because well, it's public...20:08
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tbraurum23: I guess messaging tigeli and Stskeeps would be sensible. Keep in mind a) it's weekend b) at least Stskeeps is on his way to MWC20:10
ikarushttps://jolla.com/contact/ mentions security@jolla.com20:10
aurum23ok... so I will go the official email way...20:10
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tigelitbr: thanks :)20:31
tbr:)20:31
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r0kk3rzthats right its MWC week20:34
r0kk3rzaaaaaalllll the announcements20:34
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* attah keeps hoping for J220:37
gogetar0kk3rz, all the bullshits20:39
r0kk3rzyeah that too20:39
gogetahi hope the team here rocks, beacause they deserve it20:40
r0kk3rzattah: im not sure we'll see a J2 announcement as such, but we might see a third-party-saifish-device announcement20:40
attahr0kk3rz: depending on the party that might be just as interesting.. or perhaps even more20:41
r0kk3rzyeah certainly not a bad thing20:41
attahi wonder what would be the "best partnership"20:44
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gogetai dunno20:44
gogetasorry for the company I want another sbj20:44
attahnot counting Nokia, since they can't make phones for another year or two20:44
gogetaf* n20:44
attah?20:44
r0kk3rzmight be meizu20:46
meklu|fdfNokia could let Foxconn use their brand for a phone :P20:46
r0kk3rzthey need to differentiate themselves from xiaomi i think20:46
r0kk3rzor maybe LG, but they might do something webossy20:47
gogetadon't trust the foxy lady20:50
attahmeklu|fdf: no? m$ has the license for that for a while longer20:51
meklu|fdfrightio20:51
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r0kk3rzit is a little interesing how nokia sells its phone division20:52
r0kk3rzthen gets straight back into making phones20:53
ikarusr0kk3rz: not straight, they have to wait something like 18 months20:53
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r0kk3rzas quickly as they can20:53
ikarusyup20:53
r0kk3rzeveryone expects them to release a phone at some point20:53
r0kk3rzim sure they're doing the R&D for it right now20:54
attahi guess it had overgrown itself.. making phones now is a whole lot simpler than 10 years ago20:54
ikarusI will die laughing if they end up buying Jolla within 2 years20:54
r0kk3rza plot worthy of a GRRM novel20:54
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r0kk3rzah meizu are releasing an ubuntu phone21:01
r0kk3rzbut that means they'll get some hybris experience21:02
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jaacoppiPeople app shows my contacts from SIM. In my previous phone, I had a name for every contact. People shows that name under "Nicknames". Android apps seem to use the name in "First name" and "Last name". How do I convert all entries automagically (150 of them) so that Android apps can see my contact list names? (I asked this about 12 hours ago but got no answers)21:17
jaacoppiif I manually write a first name and last name, People starts using that instead of Nickname, so it seems that's the way to go21:17
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attahjaacoppi: if qou know sql you could probably script it towards the contacts db21:20
Yanielwhoa since when did the call button on bluetooth earphones work with jolla21:22
jaacoppiattah: how should I access the contacts db?21:23
attahseems to be in ~/.local/share/system/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite21:23
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attahso back it up and get to work on a copy with the sqlite command line thingy21:25
attahi have messed with sql litterally twice, so i can't really provide any detailed advice21:26
jaacoppiokay, I'll try it tomorrow morning if there's no other solutions. I'm guessing my old SIM card from 2009 stored the contacts differently from what sailfish expects21:27
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coderusdon't forget to backup, but i think it's bad idea to deal with database directly21:47
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jaacoppiI think so too, but I haven't found out better options yet21:54
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coderuscodde small app using nemo seaside classes21:55
coderusthis one: https://github.com/nemomobile/libcontacts21:56
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svuorelaso. I'm trying to install f-droid on my phone. strategy: download with browser. find file with file manager thing. select install.  file browser suggests that if nothing happens the package is faulty. and nothing happens. and the .apk file looks like a zip file. what to look for ?22:19
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AmadeusXNetWeird that I couldn't connect to my Jolla phone through SSH when bluetooth was on. Any ideas anyone? :)22:20
AmadeusXNetBluetooth were connected*22:21
HtheBAmadeusXNet: connected to?22:22
HtheBmine is always connected to my Pebble22:22
HtheBno issues here22:22
Teemuthe pebble shows incoming calls and messages while allowing you to place outgoing calls?22:23
HtheByes22:23
Teemuhmm22:23
HtheBwhile << ?22:23
AmadeusXNetHtheB: I had it for a test for: Logitech Cordless MediaBoard Pro(TM)22:23
Teemui've thought that could be nice so that i could leave the phone in pocket for most of the day22:24
HtheBah yes22:24
HtheBso do I Teemu :D22:24
HtheByou could beck the new Pebble Time22:24
Teemulet me crank this laptop a bit22:26
AmadeusXNetBy the way, does anyone know the terminal command for pairing the Bluetooth? I've been googling but maybe I searched with the wrong tags :)22:26
Teemumbp with 4gigs of ram is struggling so i'm basically handcranking so it goes faster22:27
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the_mgtTeemu: you don't place calls with a pebble. well, maybe with a watch app, not sure. but it would need to read your jolla's contacts, and I guess such an app does not exist22:42
the_mgtand because of the sad state of email notifications, you can not let your phone in your pocket for the whole day22:42
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the_mgtyou will get the same notifications on the watch as on your phone, so the second email will show up as "1 new email" instead of displaying the whole sender/subject cpombo22:43
tiwakeis mobile world congress today?22:44
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r0kk3rzwell pre-MWC is22:49
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tiwakewhen is it?22:50
r0kk3rzmonday22:50
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HtheBguys, does anyone has some experience with VLC?23:02
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AmadeusXNetHtheB: What are you wondering about VLC?23:26
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HtheBI need to restream something23:27
HtheBbut dont know how23:27
HtheB(sorry, has nothing to do with jolla :( )23:27
HtheBbut I thought maybe someone might know it from here23:27
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