#jollamobile log for Sunday, 2015-03-15

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Stskeepshttp://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/this-sage-of-a-broken-german-door-that-became-a-wall-of-meme#.bkY4q7eGv08:47
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kimmoli)17:03
kimmoliäh17:03
kimmoligddmnnit. waiting for my next TOH pcbs - so fustrating17:04
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cryoratkimmoli, what kind of toh?17:08
kimmoliuart17:11
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gogetahi kimmoli17:20
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kimmolihi gogeta17:33
gogetatell me some where in europe where I can manifacture some pcb17:36
gogetalow volume17:36
kimmolibrandner in estonia17:38
kimmolihttps://www.brandner.ee/17:39
tbrsomeone recently posted a comparison site17:39
kimmolioh?17:40
kimmolithat was first one that came in my mind, for low volumes/fast delivery/reasonable prices17:40
kimmolithen there is always china, itead et.al.17:41
kimmolioshpark in US17:41
kimmolifor buziness, controlled quality but made in china, i would contact NCAB (good service)17:42
kimmoliwurth also makes pcb's, not so cheap though17:42
Teemuwurth is also annoying to communicate with17:43
tbrkimmoli: http://pcbshopper.com/17:44
Teemuthen wanted some nda to give some info on how to give them gerbers17:44
Teemus/then/they17:44
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Teemuafter that there was some trouble with them not reading the layer names and attached (required) text description file naming the layers and their metainfo so mails and calls went back and forth for a week or so before anything real happened17:45
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kimmolitbr: thanks. itead cheapes for 10 pcs 50x50mm17:46
Teemu:)17:46
kimmoliand i have had no issues with their products (so far)17:46
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kimmolihttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-uWSklHo6RV8/VQXF10cFa2I/AAAAAAAAIII/FSzF9vui6iI/w767-h852-no/pcbxyz.png17:48
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kimmolispeaking of pcbs, doing some layout currently17:48
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gogetatnx guys18:00
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ShadowJKwurth makes pcbs? wtf18:03
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kimmolihttp://www.we-online.com/web/en/leiterplatten/willkommen_/Willkommen.php18:08
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kimmolithey also make nice things http://www.we-online.com/web/en/leiterplatten/produkte_/wirelaid_/wirelaid_2.php18:11
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ShadowJKis this the same wurth that comes try sell powertools couple times a month?18:11
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Teemuyes18:15
Teemubolts too18:15
Teemuthey're selling bosch powertools with higher price as they're now branded wurth18:15
ikarus_lol, but they are made in the USA now :P18:16
Teemuthey make good and reasonably priced ethernet transformers18:16
kimmoliwurth elektronik is a allied company i.e. operational unit of wurth group18:17
kimmoliTeemu: that is wurth elektronik midcom18:18
kimmoliafaik WE acquired midcom some time ago18:18
Teemuexplains18:18
* tbr finds it hilarious to call it "wurth" - that's so ... finnish18:19
r0kk3rzit is?18:19
kimmoliwürth better? or wuerth18:20
tbrhint: It's either "Würth" or "Wuerth" - anything else is plain wrong18:20
r0kk3rzah18:20
kimmolibut it is faster to type wurth18:20
ShadowJKI'll call it Wyrth18:20
r0kk3rzi would normally just drop the umlaut18:20
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kimmolii'm speaking url www.wurth.something18:20
tbrr0kk3rz: so "wrth"?18:20
r0kk3rzbecause thats the lazy english speaker way of doing it18:20
Teemuwell yes18:21
Teemucomputers are english-speaking18:21
Teemualso my keybored is swedish so has problems making ü fast18:21
* tbr knows why outside of DACH he uses the transliterated version of his last name18:21
tbr_especially_ in finland18:21
Teemudach?18:21
tbrDeutschland, Austria, Confederatio Helvetica18:22
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ShadowJKAlthough I was under the impression that finnish prefers to drop umlauts, and scandinavia prefers translit18:22
r0kk3rztbr: you're of german heritage?18:23
TeemuShadowJK: that's because we all watched on tv how marja-liisa haemaelaeinen was yelling HAVUJA PERKELE18:23
Teemuthat was so damn annoying we all stopped translittering umlauted vowels with *e18:24
tbrTeemu: sure, the problem is if you do that to foreign umlauts and even worse when it creates offensive words18:24
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Teemui'd prefer seeing hämäläinen in the tv sports texts but as they're using some steam age dinosaurs they either drop umlauts or create monsters18:24
tbrI had to fight for one year to get a non offensive version of an email address at a previous finnish employer18:25
Teemuso i'm rather looking at hamalainen than haemaelaeinen18:25
kimmolitschuss18:25
r0kk3rztranslit is 'more correct', but having grown up with zero accented letters, in most cases i wouldnt know how18:25
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Teemucomputers are from america so they're having problems with reality18:25
r0kk3rzcomputers are from britain18:26
r0kk3rzbut mostly developed in america i guess18:26
kimmoliit is just britain problem then?18:26
Teemuamerica is from britain18:26
r0kk3rzthis is true18:26
Teemuthey're just learning that a system of measurement units can make things handy but they're not sure yet how it works18:26
tbrI ♥ unicode18:27
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Teemulike, inches and miles _could_ be converted with moving the decimal comma but no18:27
kimmolijust wait when sailfish version goes to last alphabets :)18:27
r0kk3rznah they're still in the 'humans think in thirds' and 'why would you convert units' phase18:27
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Teemu:)18:28
r0kk3rzbut the norwegian mile as 10km makes sense18:28
kimmoliwtf. google chrome installed some new background apps18:28
kimmolito windows18:28
TemeVkimmoli: it is in y no, i doubt there is anything with z, so  or  should be next18:28
TemeV*now18:29
kimmoliok, chrome and google hangouts will be gone now. shame that PSI is so slooow to connect18:29
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kimmoliheh, i tried to login with windows gtal, immediately got email "Huomasimme, että yritit hiljattain käyttää Google Talk -sovelluksen Windows-versiota. Tämä palvelu lopetettiin 23.2.2015"18:31
kimmoliyou tried... for sure i tried18:31
kimmoliwtf. uninstall, close all chrome windows and try again.18:32
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kimmoliah, just 5 processes named chrome18:33
kimmoliand they are respawning.... gdmnit this cr*p18:34
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kimmoliuninstall launched IE - firefox is my default browser. Sorry ranting here, but this is just...18:34
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kimmolitbr: still wrong? http://www.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/p/its-tschuss-not-cheese-or-sheess/18:43
tbrthat doesn't make sense at all18:44
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r0kk3rzsomething is wrong with your ears if you pronounce tschuss as cheese18:48
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r0kk3rzim sure i pronounce it badly, but not that badly18:50
kimmolii hear it "zys" (pronounced like finn :)18:52
r0kk3rz"zys" makes my brain go "wtf"18:54
kimmoli7-letter work with one vovel is not meant to be pronounced18:54
kimmoli*word18:54
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ottuloneneveryone should just adapt and use IPA18:55
entilI actually had to remind myself of the spelling18:55
TemeVyeah, I've been consuming lot of IPA lately18:55
entilkimmoli: elektryczność18:55
entilfour vowels, still pretty hard to pronouce :D18:56
kimmoliwe are not going to finnish words...18:56
entilpolish for electricity18:56
kimmolihttp://www.suomigo.net/wiki/Go.finSanaleikit18:56
kimmoliyou can start there18:56
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entilso I lol'd a bit at sinkosinko, I fail at life :D18:57
kimmoli55 ?18:58
entil55?18:58
entilwhazzat?18:58
kimmolisinko = 5 in spanish?18:58
entilhaha18:58
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entilof course18:58
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kimmoliRiiuuyöaieoionta18:59
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kimmoliintent to have night of wooing in love, but then not . did i translate it correctly19:01
ottulonencorrecting of the wooing night plans19:02
entilas we say here, klassikko19:02
ottulonenit doesn't really specify which way the intent/plan is adjusted19:02
ShadowJKthough without the correcting bit, it would have nice vowel:consonant ratio19:03
ottulonenI was trying to think of the word with the highest vowel:consonant ratio once and could not exceed 2:119:04
ottulonenbut if you consider interjections, ther's "oi"19:04
ottulonenor ei...19:04
ottulonenwhich is, technically, a verb, so should be accepted19:04
kimmoli2:0 ?19:05
ottulonenyeah19:05
kimmolithere is only few native words with e.g. 2 d -letters, but words with >10 same vovels without other vovels19:06
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kimmoliOT. inspired by this http://www.cnet.com/news/paper-notebook-uploads-to-cloud-erases-in-microwave/19:21
kimmolibought few frixion pens. writing s*cks, you can hide the text with heat, but it comes back in when frozen19:22
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r0kk3rzinteresting idea19:39
r0kk3rzreverse idea of the lemon juice ink trick19:39
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r0kk3rzbut if you want to erase the written word, there are easier methods than special microwavable ink19:41
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kimmolii think the notebook is pizza-cardboard-microwave-plate-thing that heats in microwave19:50
kimmolithat ink just changes to transparent when heated19:51
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kimmolie.g. with friction, as the name friXion comes19:51
r0kk3rznot sure being heated by microwave absorption really counts as friction19:53
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* tbr is reasonably happy with his BoogieBoard sync. Just need to fix the fuse obexfs.19:55
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r0kk3rztbr: is it only ever white on black?20:01
kimmolitbr: it erases also on microwave? i think it will :)20:02
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kimmolii have a question, can i ask it here?20:03
r0kk3rzkimmoli: no, no questions allowed20:03
kimmolidamn20:04
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TemeVyes, you should go to #questions, here we talk about jollamobile20:05
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TemeVand if you want answer, propably join #answer also20:05
TemeVbecause #questions is only for questions, not answers ;)20:05
kimmolioh, so there is no #questions&answers channel?20:07
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TemeVoh, come on, why don't we just have one #channel and have all the discussion there?20:09
TemeVyou can't just randomly merge two subjects under one channel20:09
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r0kk3rz#askmeanything20:10
kimmolishh... i'm watching mythbusters now20:11
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r0kk3rzwhat are they blowing up this time?20:12
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tbrr0kk3rz: yes, the pdf files come out black on white though20:13
tbrkimmoli: microwaving it is your choice... I'll go with the built in pushbutton erase ;)20:13
r0kk3rztbr: yeah i saw that, i presume the screen tech requires black on white20:13
r0kk3rzno etch-a-sketch shake? sad20:14
tbrquite likely20:14
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tbrapparently it repolarizes the liquid crystal at the pressure of the pen (or any object really, but only the pen is also registered on the pdf file)20:14
r0kk3rzinteresting idea20:16
r0kk3rzwould be reasonably low power then20:16
tbrthe pads that don't do recording and are just resettable have obscenely low power consumption.20:17
tbras it only needs to apply voltage to erase by repolarizing20:17
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stephganyone notice any abberant behaviour with the OOM killer in 1.1.2.x20:40
stephghave had it kill Gallery opening large jpegs (fine) but now the Browser when 'no other apps' were running and also the media player20:42
Nicd-I've found the best thing to do is to just reboot the phone every 10 days :D20:43
Nicd-much less oom issues20:43
stephgwell I never really had them before that's why I was asking :)20:44
stephgalso, completely unrelated, is there anyone here who hasn't factory reset their phone in a (long) time that also has FB enabled and also has, say, more than 300 friends?20:45
Nicd-I matched until the last part20:45
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stephgNicd: do you remember if you've added/removed that FB acount more than once?20:46
r0kk3rzyeah i was sure if it was the OOM killer or if the browser was just crashing20:46
r0kk3rz*wasnt20:47
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stephgr0kk3rz: OOM is fairly descriptive about what it's up to in the ring buffer20:47
Nicd-stephg: I did remove and readd it maybe a month or two ago20:47
stephgooo20:47
stephggood :)20:47
stephgNicd-: can you do a quick df -k for me in /home/nemo/.local/share/system/Contacts20:49
stephgactually just in /home/nemo/.local/share/system/20:49
Nicd-/dev/mmcbkl0p28 14415852 7471332 6153452 55% /home20:50
Nicd-ah, I did it wrong20:51
Nicd-so much output, gotta ssh in and gist20:51
stephgkk20:52
stephgsorry20:52
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stephgnot df, du20:53
stephgdu -sk /home/nemo/.local/share/system/*20:53
Nicd-yeah, that's what I thought20:53
* stephg doing 3 things at once20:53
Mikaelathose two commands are very easy to confuse20:53
Nicd-2940 /home/nemo/.local/share/system/Contacts20:53
Nicd-du: `/home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged': Permission denied20:53
stephggah I also mean in privileged20:54
Nicd-privileged is 3933620:54
stephg.... privileged/Contacts20:54
Nicd-2437620:55
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stephgroughly how many friends if you don't mind me asking? and I don't know if the Friends app uses the same cache or not but do you use taht too?20:55
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stephgreason I ask is I only reset my Jolla in Dec '13 but for the last mumble months have been filling my btrfs metadata20:57
stephgdecided to clean up my btrfs snapshots but there weren't any, so went hunting for disk space usage20:57
Nicd-96 friends20:57
Nicd-I don't use friends. I used to but haven't in a long time20:58
stephgmail app was one (fine) but I had about 800MB of cached files in privileged/Contacts20:58
stephg~400 friends for me20:58
stephgdunno how many times in that time I removed and readded the account20:58
stephgbut it accounted for an awful lot of my metadata usage20:58
stephgabout 2GB20:58
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stephgtaking drones to the next level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uJnivXGy0k22:49
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stephgand with taht, niiight22:50
stephg(from the bird's pov: https://instagram.com/p/0P2GC9wGtf/ )22:52
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