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iluminator105can you install sailfish on moto g 2nd generation17:04
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r0kk3rziluminator105: does it have a cm11 image?17:07
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iluminator105r0kk3rz, yes moto g 2014 is cm supported device i dont if its cm11 or cm12 though17:09
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r0kk3rzif it has cm11 then its possible, not easy though17:10
r0kk3rzsince afaik nobody has done the work to port sfos to that device yet17:10
iluminator105what is sfos17:11
iluminator105sailfish os k17:11
Yanielsailfishos17:11
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iluminator105r0kk3rz, so install cm11 then boot sailfish image after rom is installed?17:12
r0kk3rziluminator105: not so much, more like run through the HADK, and then once you get something that boots spend ages getting all the device drivers to work17:14
r0kk3rz#sailfishos-porters can help if you want to develop a port for that phone17:15
iluminator105is jolla releasing new phone with sailfish os soon17:15
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r0kk3rznothing has been announced17:16
iluminator105so only up to date sailfish supported device is nexus 517:20
r0kk3rzbitly.com/port-status << list of ports and what works in each17:23
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kimmolir0kk3rz: did you progress mqtt-sailfish furthan than waht is in da github?17:43
* kimmoli so many typos17:44
r0kk3rzkimmoli: nah i havent touched it in a while17:44
r0kk3rzthe library needs digging into to find out whyfor segfault17:44
kimmolisounds fun17:45
r0kk3rzyeah17:45
r0kk3rzmight be easier to just interface with mosquitto rather than use the qmqtt library17:45
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kimmoliis "tool settings" in dutch really "gereedschappen instellingen" ?17:47
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attahaaaah, finally linux on the desktop :) now follows my first serious attempt on a useful SFOS app17:57
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kimmolihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0wdW-PEsNQ20:30
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gogetakimmoli wich program do you use for 3d prototyping ?20:55
kimmolivaricad20:56
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Turskifreecad works pretty nice a'lso ;)21:16
Turskiand as the name says, it's free (and actually opensource)21:17
falfai just upgraded21:20
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attahmwahahaha.. cover art fixing app is mostly GUI-work from being complete21:26
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pdanekhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/spcc-the-missing-application-for-your-jolla-phone#_=_21:35
pdanekDo you think 20k for such app is reasonable?21:35
pdanekSeems way too much.21:36
zutto20k is around 6 months of cost for one developer21:37
zuttoso not really21:38
HtheBpdanek: wtf21:40
HtheBthey are smart....21:40
HtheBthey know, they can't reach 20K...21:40
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HtheBand they already got the money from people who already payed21:41
HtheB20k for something simple :/ wtf seriously21:41
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jphilipzhi all, just wondered if there is an updated list of mobile devices that sailfish has successfully been installed on21:48
M4rtinKjphilipz: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris21:49
pdanekHtheB: the app doesn't seem to be so complex, or maybe it is technically, but not so large userbase I guess21:51
zuttoyou guys are being silly21:51
zuttoyou're not paying 20k to get that app21:51
jphilipzM4rtinK: thanks21:51
M4rtinKalso I wonder what their plans are for distributing it21:51
zuttoyou're paying 20k to get the effort of these 2 developers who will do everything they can to make it more available to you21:52
M4rtinKin regards of OpenRepos and/or Harbor21:52
pdanekzutto: right, seems reasonable maybe21:52
jphilipzM4rtinK: so jolla only supports what mer supports?21:53
zuttoto me it seems quite reasonable atleast21:53
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M4rtinKwell, it they worked on something like open source messaging UI with MUC, SIP support, video calls, etc.21:53
jphilipzM4rtinK: i mean sailfish21:53
M4rtinKthat would be a real project21:53
M4rtinKan advanced call/sms blocker really does not look that interesting21:53
M4rtinKjphilipz: basically yes21:54
HtheBmato^:21:54
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phlixiwhat do they mean with "Private sms"?22:02
kjetilhoI'd assume encrypted22:04
phlixiencrypted transport? then its an IM, since SMS will not work.. they would marked it as an IM client/network then22:06
phlixiencrypted storage, well... the proper approach would be to encrypt the filesystem22:07
phlixiand jolla already announced something in that directioin22:07
phlixialso i do not see the connection to blocking calls/sms22:07
phlixi(ok, i see the connection to sms^^)22:07
phlixias much as i like to see poeople trying to do business on sailfish, i think this one is doomed...22:08
phlixisad :(22:08
phlixi(and frankly, jolla should support payment in store...)22:09
* attah wishes payments will be Humble Bunde / Bandcamp-style22:11
phlixiis that where the customer decides about the pricetag?22:11
attahpretty much22:12
phlixii think its a nice option, but i guess there are a lot devs that would prefer to have a pricetag22:12
attahmostly *with* a minimum price22:12
phlixiah, ok22:14
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phlixithen its a more advanced version of simply having a regular pricetag :D22:14
attahyeah.. and it seems to be able to leverage those who want to/can pay more to do so22:14
Turskihow about average pricetag? if there's more paying custromers, the minimum price would drop? :)22:15
phlixiespecially in the jolla universe, i guess there are better chancec to have the simplest possible solution, since there are so many things to do22:15
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attahnot convinced.. anything that can leverage more bigger payments would probably be worth it with such a small user base22:16
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kjetilhophlixi: could be layered over SMS like keybase.io22:21
phlixiyes, but that does not make sense22:21
kjetilhowhy not?22:21
phlixiwould only work with someone who also uses the same client, the same as with threema, textsecure etc, just it uses sms as transport below (which is expencive, and technically nonesense when you have ip)22:22
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kjetilhoif they indeed used keybase.io's coding, it could interoperate22:24
phlixiwhat do we want the money for:  building a shop22:24
kjetilhobut they're offering family packs etc. anyway, so...22:24
phlixi(besides lawyer etc) this does not sound like an open standard to me22:25
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