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nivwhow to play mkv with h262 in jolla?07:50
nivws/h262/h264/07:51
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Wntnivw: yes, but I think I experienced some audio codec issues08:16
nivwWht: sweet how?08:17
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Wntoh sorry, misread your question08:21
Wntcopy the mkv file to the phone, open gallery -> videos and your video file should be there08:22
nivwo, mime is not opening it08:22
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toerbgstreamer update should come with the next update08:29
toerbprobably it works then08:29
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teveonq09:23
tevesorry09:24
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tadzikpatch idea: make "overpulling" pulley menus select the topmost entry10:15
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kjetilhotadzik: I also would like that behaviour.  might need going through which entry is at top, though10:16
tadzikgoing through?10:16
temmi_hooi'd unlike that10:16
inzThat would break the "open pulley and click the item you want" alternate activation method though10:17
tadzikyes, that's the point10:17
temmi_hooinz yes10:17
temmi_hooi like being able to leave the pulley menu open10:17
tadzikthat's why it should be optional10:17
inztadzik, fair enough10:17
* phdeswer hates the pulley menu stays open thing so I support tadzik.10:18
temmi_hoonow we need to divide into factions and divide the whole world on this issue10:19
temmi_hooalso have lots of war on this10:19
temmi_hooremember the endianess wars10:21
sharpneliThankfully the better side won.10:22
temmi_hooi break my eggs from the side10:23
mornfallmean you, won side better the thankfully10:23
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temmi_hoonow you're on network byte order10:24
temmi_hoobad features of both endiannessess without the good features of either10:25
ppPDP-endian!10:27
mornfallUS-date-endian10:28
Yanielbits should be in a fractal order10:28
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mornfallsharpneli: the victory of little endian was surely a zionist conspiracy *wink* *wink*10:30
Yanielactually why limit yourself to a single bit/byte order when you can sort them by value10:31
Yanieland then RLE everything for great space savings10:31
sharpneliBhwah. Big endian is typical US style thinking. Putting the difference of writing direction of our text and numbers directly into HW10:32
temmi_hooa separate bit order for each possible value?10:32
entilrandom-endian would make a good april fool's joke10:42
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temmi_hoosomeone tried to explain the real benefits of endiannessess to me but well the alu can be constructed both ways as easily10:42
temmi_hooapparently everything should be twos complement already to facilitate simpler and faster alu10:43
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norayrhey, so I can login with my credentials via web, but not via jolla10:57
norayri have correct time on device.10:57
norayrwhat can it be? i also have created new account from jolla. validated it. but again, unable to login. it says "oops could not store app keys", or " cannot create account".10:58
norayrbtw tmo does not work.10:58
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jaacoppibut your wlan/mobile data connection works?11:14
Sail0rMS-DOS brings Lumia back to BASIC http://lumiaconversations.microsoft.com/2015/04/01/microsoft-launches-ms-dos-mobile/11:16
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jaacoppiI'd rather read something from blog.jolla.com11:22
scottcSail0r: hilarious11:28
norayrjaacoppi: yes sure i have network.11:31
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norayrno seriously it's not that fun without jolla store application. i guess it's possible to remove some files in .local or .config in order to get it to work. to reset all its settings, key storage.12:02
Nicd-norayr: did you just get the phone?12:03
norayrnope.12:05
norayraccount worked since august.12:05
norayrthree days ago jolla store said i have to relogin. i have no idea why. i did not logout.12:05
norayrthen i've tried to create new accounts, both in web and on phone.12:05
norayri can login in web. i have correct time on phone.12:05
norayrbut i get errors related to key storage, or just "cannot create account" when signing in.12:06
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ggabrielnorayr: uhm... maybe worth checking you have space in your device. do all other applications work ok?12:07
norayryes, i have checked.12:12
norayri have space. all other apps seem to work ok.12:12
norayr34% of space used.12:13
norayrin / and /home which is the same12:13
Yanielthat may be a lie12:13
norayroutput of df ?12:13
Yanielprobably a lie12:14
ggabrieli was suspecting btrfs balancing issues, but if all other applications work, then you _may_ be ok on that front12:14
Yanielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/12:14
norayrtwo weeks ago i moved several gbs of music to sd card. and i did not add anything since. let me read the link.12:15
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norayrok can i remove something in .local or .config to reset jolla store application?12:20
ggabrielnorayr: did you say that you tried removing and adding the jolla account from settings->accounts?12:22
norayryes.12:24
ggabrieldid you try asking care@jolla.com?12:24
ggabrielmaybe it's something on their end...12:24
norayrhmmm. no i did not.12:25
norayrthank you, I'll try.12:25
ln-btw, these days care@jolla.com will only send an auto-reply with instructions to use zendesk.12:26
ln-afaik12:26
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norayrhowever if that is not knowt problem, i. e. not many users have it, then it's probably on my side.12:26
norayri can of course reset the device. i guess that will solve the issue.12:26
norayrbut it's not that i dream of it.12:27
norayrokay, so "oops could not store app keys" doesnt ring a bell?12:28
norayrokay.12:28
ggabrielnot to me12:28
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jaacoppinorayr: contact Jolla support18:45
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Milo-which reminds me.. my phone's been off for 10 hours.. forgot to turn it on after it shut itself down again. :c19:00
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juhajSo, what are the nerd-recommended repos for Jolla?20:57
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coderuswhat kind of nerd?21:05
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chem|stjuhaj: sourceforge and start building from scratch?21:55
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juhajchem|st: Not quite my idea of "repo"22:00
coderusjuhaj: https://build.merproject.org/22:00
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coderusnerd enough?22:01
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juhajcoderus: Nerd enough. But not useful enough. What I'm looking for is stuff like http://repository.maemo.org/ or the rzr repos or whatever used to be for N922:50
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coderusjuhaj: obs chum is wanted to be it, but not enough powers to mainpain it (afaik)23:04
coderusso we only have random obs repositories and openrepos23:04
juhajI'm not sure what that means, but openrepos/"obs" repos sounds like what I'm after anyway. Places where I can find stuff like openvpn (apparently there's a "gui" for it, too, which I find a joke: it's a command line daemon, wtf a gui?), fingerterm, rsync etc23:07
juhajAlso, some proper backup software would be in order: N9 cannot be proerly backed up at all :(23:07
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Yanielfingerterm comes with developer mode23:08
Yanielas does ssh23:09
Yanieliirc23:09
coderusjuhaj: we using btrfs in jolla, so proper backup tool is creating snapshots23:09
juhajmosh, too23:09
Yanielmosh is in the chum repo23:09
coderushttps://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/mosh23:09
juhajcoderus: And then copying the snapshot elsewhere? Using..? How do I do incrementals with that+23:10
coderusjuhaj: google for btrfs subvolumes and snapshots please23:10
juhajYaniel: And that repo is ... where?23:10
Yanieljuhaj: there is a place in settings for making backups and copying them as a tar to the microsd23:10
Yanielchum is on obs23:10
coderusjuhaj: https://openrepos.net/user/500/repository ?23:11
Yanielbuild.merproject.org23:11
juhajYaniel: I don't know what "obs" is not what "chum" is?23:11
juhajcoderus: Cool. Thanks23:11
Yanielcheck tjc, it should have instructions23:11
coderusor https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos for gui23:11
Yanielobs stands for open build system23:12
Yanieland means build.merproject.org in this case23:12
juhajOh, right. That's the thing which has got all my inherited SLES systems all screwed up and unmaintanable! ;)23:12
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juhaj[My predecessor used the obs repos extensively, to the point he replaced things like libssl and python with the obs versions, making it Hell for me to upgrade to the next SLES service pack]23:13
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juhaj[For a personal thing like a phone, obs is probably exactly what you want if your "distro" does not deliver]23:14
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Yanielopenrepos is... well, free for all23:15
Yanielbasically anyone can upload any rpm23:15
juhajDoes developer mode come with sshd as well, as it did with N9? [I know, it's not quite fair to think of Jolla as N9v2, but it's not that far from the truth either.]23:16
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Yanielyes23:16
Yanielopenssh + fingerterm23:16
Yanieland maybe some other stuff23:16
juhajYaniel: Yes, and that free-for-all ona production server with hundreds of users is probably not the smartest choice23:16
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Yanielusually not23:16
juhajYaniel: You'd need to tell my predecessor that, ok ;)23:17
juhajCool. I'll go see what devel mode gives me and then hunt for openvpn; after that I'll be pretty happy for a while23:17
Yanielthen again I have been building half of my apps in my home dir on this server...23:17
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juhajYaniel: You build on your server is absolutely fine; replacing system tools like python and libssl with binaries some random dude built is not. I don't even want to get started on the security side of matters, just the maintainability of such a system is Hell23:19
juhajThanks a lot; I may need a few more repos but this will get me started. One thing that I'd be interested in trying out is kde touch, but has anyone made any effort on bringing that to sailfish?23:22
coderusafaik not23:23
coderusdon't know if plasma touch likes wayland or not23:24
coderusrememnber, we're using wayland, we're on the edge :D23:24
coderusno oldschool X stuff here, only cool modern things :D23:24
juhajThere's an X server for Wayland I thought23:24
juhaj;)23:24
juhajAnyway, time for bed.23:25
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