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JvD_ | I have issuees in login in to tjc. My jolla account doesn't seem to be in sync with tjc | 04:22 |
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JvD_ | account.jolla.com sends me to User registration page | 04:25 |
kimmoli | https://account.jolla.com/registration/login/ not here? | 04:32 |
JvD_ | it is but after successfull login on that page tjc sends me to user registration page | 04:34 |
JvD_ | originally I had to account s with Jolla and I deleted the duplicate wiitc I think now was the one used with tjc =) | 04:34 |
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stephg | \o/ update | 06:10 |
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urs | I can't update... it just tells me "problem with store" and then won't download. | 06:35 |
urs | Do I have to re-init my store credentials... again? | 06:35 |
stephg | urs and you're opted into early releases? and your time is right on your phone? | 06:36 |
urs | yes and yes... but now that I complained on irc, it suddenly seems to magically work. | 06:37 |
urs | (after not working the entire evening yesterday) | 06:37 |
stephg | magic ;) | 06:37 |
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urs | And now the progress bar jumped back to 0%, and it says "update available for download". | 06:41 |
urs | (from ~10% before) | 06:41 |
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lainwir3d_ | hi | 07:58 |
birdzhang | :) | 08:02 |
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Sail0r | seems like pebbled uses functions which break in newest release ;) https://github.com/smokku/pebble/issues/49 | 08:27 |
the_mgt | noooooooooo | 08:27 |
the_mgt | I just updated 15 minutes ago | 08:28 |
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Sail0r | the daemon itself works | 08:29 |
Sail0r | only app config pages don't work | 08:29 |
the_mgt | ah, can live with that for a while, everything is properly configured | 08:30 |
Sail0r | my kernel is spamming "Apr 17 10:30:16 Jolla kernel: wlan: [543:E :PE ] __limProcessAddBAReq: 1425: ADDBAREQ NUMBUFF 40" wtf does it want? | 08:30 |
the_mgt | so far, update went smooth and phone feels more snappy | 08:32 |
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politie | so when will the update go live | 08:32 |
the_mgt | but everything feels more snappy after an update, i guess | 08:32 |
Sail0r | hehe | 08:32 |
the_mgt | (ok, windows might be an exception from that rule) | 08:32 |
Sail0r | I have a slight higher battery usage i think | 08:33 |
Sail0r | but I don't really know | 08:33 |
the_mgt | politie: dunno, last time it took quite a while. you can sign up for early updates, though | 08:33 |
Sail0r | could also be that I played more with it after update | 08:33 |
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Sail0r | politie: most of the time 1-2 weeks | 08:33 |
the_mgt | Sail0r: subjective usage bias'es suck... | 08:33 |
Sail0r | depends on how many bugs are found | 08:33 |
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jaacoppi | Sail0r: can you really say "most of the time" since this is the 2nd early access releasy? | 08:35 |
tadzik | ooh, opening settings crashes for me :D | 08:35 |
Sail0r | yeah you are right | 08:35 |
politie | any downside to preview? basically its beta testing ? | 08:36 |
tadzik | yeah | 08:36 |
pp | hmn, funny flickering in browser, anyone else see that? | 08:36 |
politie | ok thanks | 08:37 |
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pp | ... gone now, apparently :-) | 08:38 |
Sail0r | politie: could be that apps stop working | 08:38 |
jaacoppi | politie: it's beta-testing. With 1.1.2 the early access was 1.1.2.15 and the normal release was 1.1.2.16 with two fixed bugs | 08:42 |
politie | nice | 08:43 |
politie | any big changes? | 08:44 |
Yaniel | transition animations, some icons | 08:44 |
Yaniel | lanscape split keyboard | 08:44 |
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Yaniel | and tons of stuff under the hood | 08:44 |
politie | cool | 08:45 |
gexc-phone | the new transition animation seems *meh* | 08:45 |
Yaniel | I think it's 50/50 | 08:46 |
gexc-phone | the patch was better imo | 08:46 |
Yaniel | now you are clearly pushing the app away etc | 08:46 |
Yaniel | or rather, "peeling" | 08:46 |
Yaniel | not that i matters much | 08:46 |
politie | any video on this? | 08:47 |
gexc-phone | is the patch too heavy on resources? | 08:47 |
gexc-phone | that is 'pushing away' | 08:47 |
gexc-phone | for viewing contents underneath the app, the transparent level can be adjusted | 08:49 |
Yaniel | gexc-phone: I'd say peeling because the app does not shift | 08:50 |
gexc-phone | lol | 08:51 |
gexc-phone | peeling indeed | 08:52 |
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gexc-phone | the memory management seems better | 08:58 |
gexc-phone | no background closing so far | 08:58 |
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Sebsebsebb | Hi | 09:25 |
Sebsebsebb | Where can the device name be shown on jolla phone other than Bluetooth settings it seems | 09:27 |
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Mikaela | bluetooth settings is only bluetooth name, the device name you see by running "hostname" in terminal (you don't need deve-su) | 09:28 |
Sebsebsebb | Terminal on the phone? With a default install I haven't come across one. So do you mean with an app?? | 09:30 |
tadzik | developer mode gives you terminal | 09:31 |
Yaniel | which is an app yes | 09:32 |
Yaniel | (fingerterm to be precise) | 09:33 |
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Sebsebsebb | Ok charging it seems so I'll have to look at that in a bit but what about bringing up the user name as well | 09:36 |
Yaniel | user name is nemo | 09:39 |
Yaniel | you'll see it in the terminal as well an I think developer mode in settings tells you so | 09:39 |
Sebsebsebb | Yeah about to do that stuff | 09:40 |
Sebsebsebb | However I got another question | 09:40 |
Sebsebsebb | Would anyone here seriously recommend a jolla phone to someone not that technical? I mean we know they are good, but it's still a geek phone. | 09:42 |
Stskeeps | Sebsebsebb: my wife has one and enjoys it.. | 09:42 |
Yaniel | if they have someone technical enough close enough then maybe | 09:42 |
Yaniel | to average joe? no | 09:42 |
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Sebsebsebb | Yeah I know someone not that technical who it seems would be interested in buying a new phone, but then I think what if it goes wrong enough could they deal with recovery mode hmm | 09:43 |
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Sebsebsebb | Currently using a old Nokia phone or something like that | 09:44 |
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Sebsebsebb | To average joe no and why at ya ill | 09:45 |
Sebsebsebb | Handel | 09:46 |
Sebsebsebb | Uh stupid IPad air only got one since got cheap now I hope that jolla tablet I bought will be way way way better :) this has a horrible auto v | 09:47 |
Sebsebsebb | Complete | 09:47 |
FireFly | I probably wouldn't, at this point | 09:48 |
FireFly | (recommend it to just anyone, that is) | 09:48 |
Sebsebsebb | So yeah why not to average joe for jolla pbone to person that put that | 09:48 |
Sebsebsebb | Why not to firefly | 09:49 |
Yaniel | because no whatsapp, close to no facebook etc | 09:49 |
Yaniel | things change a lot | 09:49 |
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FireFly | Yes, I think it isn't stable enough yet for that | 09:49 |
Yaniel | and for setting up anything cooler than twitter you usually need a bit of technical knowledge | 09:49 |
Sebsebsebb | Well can have stuff like that using the android app compatibility | 09:50 |
pp | UX is very good and basics are there :-) | 09:50 |
FireFly | Which may or may not work. Granted, it seems to work pretty well with everything I've tested with, but still | 09:50 |
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FireFly | The Android compat, I mean | 09:51 |
Sebsebsebb | Ux user interface you mean or | 09:51 |
pp | so it might be a good "first smartphone", if you don't need the whatsapp etc. ecosystems | 09:51 |
pp | hard to say, I need a good terminal with mosh to communicate with my friends :P | 09:51 |
FireFly | The UX is interesting | 09:51 |
FireFly | Hehe, me too | 09:51 |
Sebsebsebb | What do you mean by ux | 09:51 |
pp | user interface, yep | 09:52 |
Sebsebsebb | Well jolla can run much more currently than ubuntu touch :d | 09:53 |
SfietKonstantinW | ux = user experience | 09:53 |
SfietKonstantinW | not ui = user interface | 09:53 |
Sebsebsebb | GUI I would put but ok | 09:53 |
tadzik | reminds me, I meant to write a rant on remorse timer... | 09:54 |
Sebsebsebb | At pp I assume what's app works nicely in the android compatibility though | 09:55 |
pp | it does, but notifications apparently work pretty badly | 09:55 |
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pp | dunno, I don't rely on it so it was fine in basic testing :P | 09:56 |
politie | i been using the whatsup for a week or so now, works good | 09:56 |
Yaniel | the only android app I've used was steam and that worked pretty well | 09:56 |
Sebsebsebb | I put a lot on to try when I first got mine android apps and most worked well | 09:57 |
SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: I do like remorse | 09:58 |
Sebsebsebb | Politie what do you tend to use it for whatsapp | 09:58 |
SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: what's your issue with it ? | 09:59 |
Yaniel | the problem with whatsapp is that android notifications are only so-so | 09:59 |
Yaniel | and native clients are unofficial and thus get you banned | 09:59 |
tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: the biggest one is how it's misused and overused in almost every app around | 09:59 |
tadzik | Warehouse and Daedalus being the biggest offenders | 10:00 |
Sebsebsebb | Oh at yan zik | 10:00 |
SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: ah, I tend to agree about this | 10:00 |
SfietKonstantinW | :) | 10:00 |
politie | Sebsebsebb, what do you mean? | 10:00 |
tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: and when it's actually used correctly (for actually non-reversible actions, like deleting stuff), it still slows me down when I actually know what I'm doing | 10:01 |
SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: then, let it do it's business, and do other stuff | 10:01 |
tadzik | I've used this phone for close to a year now, and I'm still not sure if the thing will actually get deleted if I close the app when the RT is ticking, so I just wait | 10:01 |
Sebsebsebb | Polities quite a few people are like do you use whatsapp but I haven't used it and when looking up it just seems like some sort of popular propritary chat thing | 10:01 |
tadzik | I like my apps closed when I'm done with them, my desktop is my todolist | 10:02 |
SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: I never close apps | 10:02 |
FireFly | I like to close apps, oo | 10:02 |
FireFly | +t | 10:02 |
tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: I'd probably never close them if 1) they had set places on my "desktop" 2) I could scroll through them when there's more than 9 | 10:03 |
politie | Sebsebsebb, i just use whatsapp for chat, only cause majority uses it, im not a fan | 10:03 |
Yaniel | Sebsebsebb: that is exactly what it is | 10:03 |
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politie | tadzik, theres a patch that allows you to have more than 9 i believe | 10:04 |
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Sebsebsebb | It's more than just a in though? It's a bit like skype I think, text stuff and calls | 10:04 |
politie | i feel you on the set places, last used switched to first place can be annoying | 10:04 |
Yaniel | it's getting more and more | 10:04 |
Yaniel | especially now that facebook bought it | 10:04 |
Sebsebsebb | Like skype? | 10:05 |
Yaniel | I'm not sure if it has voice/video calls yet | 10:05 |
politie | like skype but still only mobile | 10:05 |
Yaniel | but voice messages yes | 10:05 |
Yaniel | etc | 10:05 |
politie | voice calls on android | 10:05 |
Yaniel | and AFAIK it is still a bad joke when it comes to privacy/security | 10:06 |
Sebsebsebb | But people use it to get round paying mobile network? | 10:06 |
Sebsebsebb | Or using what got from them? | 10:06 |
Yaniel | multiple reasons I guess | 10:07 |
Yaniel | not having to pay for SMS or MMS is likely one in areas where data is cheap or you have wifi | 10:07 |
Yaniel | having text chat and media sharing all in one place is another | 10:08 |
Yaniel | and not having to go around asking friends for ids or stuff | 10:08 |
Sebsebsebb | Ids??? | 10:08 |
Yaniel | your id is your phone number | 10:08 |
FireFly | Like, usernames or so | 10:08 |
Yaniel | so what it does is scan your address book and try adding every number there | 10:09 |
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Sebsebsebb | Yeah I think I heard or whatever something like that to a way to contact so do | 10:09 |
Yaniel | so the users just opens the app and sees all their contacts automatically (well all that use whatsapp) | 10:09 |
Sebsebsebb | Someone without give I g phone numbdr | 10:10 |
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Sebsebsebb | Right ok a skype competitor basically and that's all | 10:11 |
Sebsebsebb | I don't need whatsapp I do t have certain contacts :d | 10:12 |
Sebsebsebb | Although like an I'm or skype can. Be used on the phone to contact people abroad without paying to | 10:13 |
Sebsebsebb | I guess can be used stupid auto correct | 10:14 |
politie | i dont see it as a skype competitor | 10:14 |
politie | rather as a better way to message mobile then sms | 10:17 |
stephg | very much like the update, lots of subtle but positive UI tweaks | 10:18 |
tadzik | ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ JOLLA PLS CONFIGURABLE DEFAULT BROWSER | 10:20 |
tadzik | but yeah, I'm very content with the update too :) | 10:20 |
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Venemo | meh | 10:26 |
Venemo | I screwed up my N9 for good | 10:26 |
Venemo | tried to disassemble to fix the USB port, but then it didn't even turn on | 10:27 |
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jaacoppi | too much screwing around? | 10:27 |
stephg | Venemo: :( | 10:28 |
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Venemo | I'd keep trying to do something about it, but accidentally tore apart the ribbon cable of the screen | 10:29 |
stephg | oh | 10:29 |
stephg | that sounds quite fatal | 10:29 |
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Venemo | yeah, well. it was sitting in my drawer for quite a while now | 10:30 |
Venemo | I thought it was worth a try to fix it | 10:30 |
kro | the screen cable is really sensitive, I tore one apart as well :-/ | 10:30 |
kro | but check ebay, I found a replacement one for ~25 EUR, just had to detach the plastic frame off the old screen and superglue it to the new screen | 10:31 |
Venemo | to be honest, I was hoping I could fix up the USB connector and then sell the N9 for a modest price | 10:31 |
Venemo | but it isn't worth to spend more money on it | 10:32 |
kro | yeah, I see | 10:32 |
kro | I fixed mine but then bought a Jolla to replace it anyway :-p | 10:32 |
Venemo | I already have a jolla | 10:32 |
Venemo | so yeah | 10:32 |
Venemo | my next subject will be the N900 - my little brother used that one for a few years and then broke the USB connector off | 10:33 |
Venemo | seems that these USBs are the achilles heel of the N9(x0) | 10:33 |
Venemo | except for the N950, whose problem is the screen | 10:33 |
leinir | still have a fully functioning n950 here... if anybody wants to give me a good offer :) | 10:34 |
Venemo | hehe | 10:34 |
Venemo | me too, but it's slowly committing suicide in my drawer | 10:34 |
Venemo | the screen is developing a huge patch of black pixels | 10:34 |
leinir | ow... | 10:34 |
leinir | screen on mine's all fine, at least :) | 10:35 |
Venemo | when did you last check? | 10:35 |
Venemo | mine was fine too, but after I pulled it out half a year later to take a look, it was shit | 10:35 |
leinir | Hmm... to be fair, a while ago, should probably have a look :) | 10:35 |
Venemo | you better not | 10:36 |
Venemo | :P | 10:36 |
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Wnt | what does this mean? jolla-clock: "Limit active cover actions to one." https://together.jolla.com/question/89803/changelog-114-aijanpaivanjarvi/#89803-jolla-clock | 10:47 |
Wnt | I updated to Äijänpäivänjärvi and the clock app still has two cover actions | 10:47 |
Wnt | which I think is a good thing, but cannot figure out what the change log means | 10:48 |
jaacoppi | there's other things in the changelog that don't make sense either. Best guesses are they are related to tablet | 10:49 |
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stephg | jaacoppi: like what? | 11:12 |
stephg | (things that don't make sense I mean) | 11:13 |
Wnt | does the store offer the maps update for people who have upgraded to Äijänpäivänjärvi? for me it doesn't https://together.jolla.com/question/90040/11428-aijanpaivanjarvi-store-doesnt-offer-maps-update | 11:18 |
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Wnt | or then i might be blind! | 11:18 |
Wnt | :D | 11:18 |
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Bysmyyr | I might say same | 11:18 |
Wnt | I'm sure it wasn't there the first time | 11:18 |
Wnt | but when I took the screenshot it clearly was (facepalm) | 11:19 |
Yaniel | I upsated maps this morning | 11:19 |
jaacoppi | Wnt: I got the update this morning as well | 11:20 |
jaacoppi | stephg: according to changelog, some apps should have landscape mode but they don't | 11:20 |
FireFly | "some apps"? | 11:28 |
FireFly | I tested maps yesterday after update and it didn't have landscape mode then, but now I noticed the maps app had a pending update, and now it works | 11:29 |
FireFly | so maybe you just need to update maps | 11:29 |
Wnt | FireFly: e.g. the clock | 11:29 |
FireFly | Ah | 11:30 |
FireFly | I didn't see that in the changelog, but it might've only been in the detailed one | 11:30 |
Wnt | and mediaplayer also | 11:30 |
stephg | ooh interesting, potential new bug | 11:32 |
stephg | my messages have all got greyed out | 11:32 |
stephg | the app still works | 11:32 |
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stephg | but everything is greyer | 11:32 |
stephg | and switching landscape and back to portrait fixes | 11:33 |
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scottc | spooky | 12:02 |
politie | 😂 | 12:02 |
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Sebsebsrbb | How long is it meant to take to enable developer mode it's said it's enable Ing it with thre moving bar for about 20 minutes now | 13:10 |
Stskeeps | https://blog.jolla.com/hacknplay-20150417/ for that late friday reading | 13:10 |
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Yaniel | Sebsebsrbb: it has to download and install a couple of packages so depends on your network connection I think | 13:12 |
Sebsebsrbb | Hmm now the line and enabling developer mode | 13:12 |
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Yaniel | hasn't taken more than a few minutes for me | 13:13 |
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Sebsebsrbb | Hmm it has to download I am not sure if it's connected to the wireless a t the moment | 13:13 |
Sebsebsrbb | So that could be it | 13:13 |
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Sebsebsrbb | Ok it is on the wireiless them | 13:19 |
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kimmoli | Stskeeps: h'n'p, i'm atm waiting to get my hands on A5-V11 .. will see how it works | 14:27 |
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juiceme | Hi! | 16:43 |
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Stskeeps | moo juiceme | 16:44 |
juiceme | Stskeeps :) | 16:44 |
juiceme | a funny thing happened today | 16:44 |
juiceme | I loaded up the latest release, but something went wrong. | 16:45 |
juiceme | even though the installation went right thru correctly, after rebooting the device didi not come up correctly; there was no dialog asking for pincode, only blank empty canvas | 16:46 |
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juiceme | When I swiped up to notifications, I could see the wreather app | 16:46 |
juiceme | when I swiped down from top, screen went off | 16:47 |
juiceme | otherwice, no reaction | 16:47 |
juiceme | booted it couple of times, but same effect happened. | 16:47 |
juiceme | then I went to recovery console, checked I had backups and factory resetted the device | 16:48 |
juiceme | However, now I can only get up to 1.1.2.16, when I invoke "search for updates" I am no longer offered the latest... | 16:49 |
juiceme | any pointers? | 16:49 |
kimmoli | juiceme: https://youtu.be/RnuUQEbZWuc?t=1m45s | 16:50 |
juiceme | kimmoli, :) | 16:50 |
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r0kk3rz | the opt-in is per account isnt it | 16:54 |
r0kk3rz | not account/device combo | 16:54 |
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juiceme | r0kk3rz, meaning the early update access? | 16:55 |
r0kk3rz | yeah | 16:55 |
juiceme | yes, it is per account | 16:55 |
juiceme | and I do still have it enabled, just checked | 16:55 |
r0kk3rz | i was more thinking the backend of it | 16:56 |
juiceme | hmm Should I just manually set SSU to 1.1.4.28 and update it... | 16:56 |
r0kk3rz | but i guess all you can do is wait for the notification, or wait until it goes proper | 16:56 |
chem|st | juiceme: not really | 16:56 |
r0kk3rz | or do it the pkcon way | 16:57 |
r0kk3rz | there might even be an intermediary version before it goes proper | 16:57 |
juiceme | chem|st, why not... as I had it before... what difference would it make? | 16:57 |
juiceme | r0kk3rz, sure if a blocker is bound | 16:57 |
juiceme | s/bound/found/ | 16:58 |
chem|st | juiceme: if you got no other repos active you _should_ be save | 16:58 |
juiceme | yes, nothing else enabled | 16:59 |
chem|st | juiceme: backups are best served on the version you took them | 16:59 |
juiceme | I don't use warehouse on my primary device, if I need some extra applications I always compile from source. | 16:59 |
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juiceme | chem|st so you mean I should resstore my backups now before trying to force my way into 1.1.4.28 | 17:01 |
juiceme | as currently I have *really* empty device, factory resetted and then updated to 1.1.2.16 | 17:02 |
juiceme | could do that, yes | 17:02 |
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juiceme | and while I am at it, probably should purge old stuff of from my backup, my .vault is about 1.2G at the moment... | 17:03 |
chem|st | I reset my device 3 times when attempting to restore backups before upgrading | 17:03 |
juiceme | ah | 17:03 |
juiceme | so you _did_ only restore after the update? | 17:03 |
chem|st | one time it did not reboot after restore, another time it upgraded and then did not boot, the last did upgrade boot and froze on the next reboot | 17:04 |
chem|st | so your choice really! ;) | 17:04 |
juiceme | hehheh, YMMV at it's best :) | 17:04 |
chem|st | anything but resoring after upgrade to the version I backuped from did fail at some point | 17:05 |
juiceme | I get the thing _not_ correctly restorinng if you try to do it over an older release... | 17:05 |
juiceme | but it really should be able to restore on a _newer_ update | 17:06 |
chem|st | oh you are talking vault, I talk backup! | 17:06 |
FireFly | Aren't they the same thing? | 17:06 |
juiceme | vault, that's the backup | 17:07 |
chem|st | but well one attempt was just resoring vault stuff so yes also a bad idea! | 17:07 |
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juiceme | or do you have some other method? | 17:07 |
chem|st | I just backup /home/nemo and restore /home/nemo | 17:07 |
juiceme | well, sure just rsyncing *everythiiing* back to /home/ also works | 17:07 |
juiceme | exactly | 17:08 |
juiceme | I could do that since I have it all rsynced of course | 17:08 |
chem|st | and that doesn't work that good | 17:08 |
juiceme | but I was thinking using .vault is the portable way | 17:08 |
juiceme | as it *should* be able to rebuild all DB's better from it | 17:09 |
chem|st | the factory-reset snapshot is also an OS version I consider beta (I consider this still beta...) | 17:09 |
juiceme | tes | 17:09 |
juiceme | yes | 17:09 |
juiceme | it went to 1.0.0.6 or something loke that | 17:09 |
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chem|st | ah yes restoring home should happen from recovery mode or you ahve everything blow up in your face | 17:09 |
juiceme | sure | 17:10 |
juiceme | but I'd still do it from vault first, meaning the data in the official apps | 17:10 |
chem|st | that did not work for me either | 17:11 |
juiceme | other stuff (own apps, built apps) data I'll of course rsync in | 17:11 |
juiceme | ah | 17:11 |
chem|st | the "won't reboot" was partial home and vault, 2nd was 'home' 3rd was 'vault' 4th with nothing! | 17:11 |
juiceme | yeah... actually with me I think I ever have had 2 times that the update went correctly the first time :) | 17:12 |
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juiceme | and last time it was when I updated to Yliaavanlampi | 17:13 |
chem|st | juiceme: tell you what I'd do, upgrade to what you got now, then check if another upgrade is there, if so upgrade too - then restore | 17:13 |
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juiceme | every other time I've had to factory reset it. However after that it had always worked... | 17:13 |
chem|st | I had to factory reset twice not counting attempts, once with the first upgrade and then after optima | 17:14 |
juiceme | hmm so I'll try "ssu re 1.1.4.28 && version --dup" | 17:16 |
juiceme | see if I can download it then | 17:16 |
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juiceme | Allright, now I am at Äijänpäivänjärvi :) | 17:39 |
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juiceme | wonder what was the problem before...? | 17:40 |
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scottc | huh, I've been stuck on Yliaavanlampi and didn't even notice newer versions were released >.> | 17:48 |
juiceme | scottc, released just yesterday :) | 17:50 |
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Stskeeps | as opt-in | 17:50 |
juiceme | Stskeeps, do you think I'm OK with my update now? | 17:50 |
scottc | ah! right, that makes sense, thanks juiceme and Stskeeps | 17:50 |
r0kk3rz | which is worth it for the swipe animation alone | 17:50 |
scottc | now i have to upgrade | 17:51 |
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juiceme | r0kk3rz, yes the animation is crispier now :) | 17:51 |
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juiceme | altough I iked the old one too :) | 17:51 |
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Stskeeps | juiceme: i didn't read it in detail, sorry | 17:52 |
r0kk3rz | the old one was nicer to 'peek' i think | 17:52 |
Stskeeps | anything that doesn't go through store is potentially flawed | 17:52 |
r0kk3rz | but ultimately the same functionally | 17:52 |
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juiceme | Stskeeps, well after factory resetting I did not get the update notification any longer, even as I tried many times. I was told that Yliaavanlampi is up to date | 17:53 |
Stskeeps | yeah i believe the rollout was paused due to encountering issues | 17:54 |
juiceme | okay, that make sense then | 17:54 |
r0kk3rz | dont want to brick too many devices | 17:54 |
juiceme | however I went and did "ssu re 1.1.4.28 && version --dup" | 17:54 |
juiceme | and got thru correctly | 17:55 |
r0kk3rz | i wonder what the percentage is, of opt-in jollas vs non-opt-in | 17:55 |
juiceme | so basically I am thinking, what's the difference between the store update and "version --dup" | 17:55 |
juiceme | Stskeeps ^^^ | 17:55 |
Stskeeps | quite a bit | 17:56 |
Stskeeps | version --dup doesn't do repo isolation and a few other thigs | 17:56 |
juiceme | okay | 17:57 |
juiceme | so what would be the correct procedure to trigger it if the update is not pushed to me automatically? | 17:57 |
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Stskeeps | no such thing :p | 18:04 |
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r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: it might be an idea to provide one, otherwise people are still going to version --dup every time | 18:04 |
r0kk3rz | also for those who get stuck when factory resetting, or have a new device | 18:05 |
Stskeeps | in practice store is the only way that we QA | 18:05 |
juiceme | Stskeeps to bad, since it would be a good thing sometimes... | 18:05 |
juiceme | but sure it would not be a difficult thing to provide CLI front for store...? | 18:06 |
Stskeeps | sometimes good, but remember: developer mode is there and it allows you to shoot yourself in the foot as many times as you want, nothing can be guaranteed to work once you tinker | 18:07 |
tadzik | . o O ( Well volunteered! ) | 18:07 |
juiceme | happy and shooting :) :) | 18:12 |
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r0kk3rz | well there must be some kind of script equivalent of what the store notification does, maybe someone needs to reverse engineer it | 18:26 |
tadzik | I'd like a web frontend for the store | 18:27 |
tadzik | even to just be able to link someone to an app | 18:27 |
tadzik | (yes, I also want a pony) | 18:27 |
Stskeeps | pony's probably easier | 18:28 |
r0kk3rz | web frontend also acts as a bit of a advertising point as well | 18:28 |
tadzik | yep | 18:28 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: BTW, how is the update actually done ? does it boot to its own initrd and does it in its won environment (like the Fedup Fedora upgrade tool) | 18:28 |
r0kk3rz | i remember being apprehensive because there was no way of knowing what apps were available | 18:28 |
Stskeeps | M4rtinK: custom systemd target i think | 18:28 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: or is it just an early systemd target started before everything else (like the regular offline updates on Fedora) | 18:28 |
Stskeeps | and if anything needs to be flashed it does an extra reboot at restart afterwards | 18:29 |
r0kk3rz | then the battery in my old android phone was starting to die, so i bit the bullet and bought one anyway | 18:29 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: interesting! thanks :) | 18:29 |
Stskeeps | M4rtinK: randomly verified that a signed shim.efi works on tablet | 18:29 |
Stskeeps | by uefi signatures or whatever microsoft runs | 18:29 |
r0kk3rz | but yes, invisible pink unicorns for everyone! | 18:29 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: nice! :) | 18:30 |
Stskeeps | didn't test shimx64 as i couldn't find it | 18:30 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: with secureboot on ? | 18:30 |
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Stskeeps | M4rtinK: right | 18:30 |
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attah | Stskeeps: this? http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/repo/extras/shim-signed/shimx64.efi/abd377408acc02ee7f2f16320ee9b49a/ | 18:31 |
r0kk3rz | but we did get qtpositioning, so theres one not so invisible pink unicorn | 18:31 |
Stskeeps | attah: meh, more work for me.. :P | 18:32 |
attah | Aaaaw, poor you and your awesome job | 18:32 |
* Stskeeps looks at wine bottle | 18:33 | |
M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: I'm currently writing a proper Makefile and spec for modRana with the aim of finally trying to submit a modRana package to the store :) | 18:33 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: have you already tried to boot a "normal" distro like Fedora on the tablet ? :) | 18:34 |
Stskeeps | M4rtinK: no, i'm having enough fun booting my own | 18:34 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:34 |
Stskeeps | but one thing i noticed, it isn't happy about uefi booting from sd. | 18:35 |
M4rtinK | at all ? | 18:35 |
M4rtinK | well, worst case some sort of chain loading might be able to work around this | 18:36 |
Stskeeps | at all; but naturally otg would work | 18:36 |
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M4rtinK | Stskeeps: well, there are some really small usb drives | 18:38 |
M4rtinK | but charging might be an issue if one would want to use it on the go afterwards | 18:38 |
Stskeeps | nod | 18:39 |
M4rtinK | I wonder if uefi could boot grub or something | 18:39 |
Stskeeps | there's a 'boot from file' option so you can probably do all you want | 18:39 |
Stskeeps | ie put fedora.efi in somewhere on ESP | 18:39 |
M4rtinK | which would access uSD load kernel and initrd from it | 18:39 |
M4rtinK | getting of a bus, back in a moment :) | 18:40 |
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scottc | "Reboot now [...] All bugs encountered before reboot are features." | 18:49 |
scottc | amazing :D | 18:49 |
scottc | juiceme: okay, you're right, the new animation is very nice! | 18:52 |
juiceme | :) | 18:52 |
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juiceme | Stskeeps, regarding the store.... why does the device forget my applications when I do a factory reset? | 18:54 |
juiceme | I mean it is a pain to go through all the apps in store and reload what I want | 18:54 |
Stskeeps | i dunno : | 18:55 |
Stskeeps | :) | 18:55 |
* Stskeeps points to glass of wine | 18:55 | |
juiceme | I kind of assumed the list of my applications would be stored in the store sserver itself | 18:55 |
juiceme | ya, that's tha place you'll find most answers :) | 18:55 |
r0kk3rz | given it works via packagekit, i would assume not | 19:01 |
juiceme | yes, probably not then. | 19:01 |
Stskeeps | it's complex. either you do it and people shout about privacy, or you don't :P | 19:03 |
juiceme | yes, politics is also part of it. | 19:04 |
juiceme | and how to explain it to people :) | 19:04 |
friese | yep, me for example ;) but maybe you can create a package list yourself and just install from that the next time? i know that apt/dpkg has that functionality, maybe packagekit can do that as well | 19:04 |
friese | might be a idea to integrate that into the backup system though... | 19:04 |
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juiceme | could do that, yes | 19:05 |
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r0kk3rz | i forgot about the split keyboard | 19:13 |
r0kk3rz | that's cool | 19:13 |
r0kk3rz | might actually start landscaping to type now | 19:14 |
tadzik | yeah, it's a lot more comfy | 19:16 |
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r0kk3rz | might have to write up a KALQ layout and give that a try | 19:18 |
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r0kk3rz | ah its also a lot skinnier in landscape | 19:21 |
r0kk3rz | so you can fit more than one line on the screen | 19:21 |
attah | Which is nice.. but i keep failing with the split spacebar | 19:21 |
tadzik | perhaps the bottommost suggestion should be replaced with a spacebar | 19:22 |
r0kk3rz | nah | 19:23 |
r0kk3rz | better to learn not to move your thumb so far | 19:23 |
r0kk3rz | reduce your movements for better typing | 19:23 |
FireFly | Weird, I found the split keyboard harder to type with.. | 19:25 |
jaacoppi | anyone else think the hack'n'play blog series is awesome? | 19:26 |
* FireFly re-enables it to try it some more | 19:26 | |
attah | jaacoppi: yup.. | 19:26 |
FireFly | Oh hm, okay, it's not too bad I guess | 19:27 |
Yaniel | it takes a bit to get used to | 19:28 |
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stephg | burp | 19:35 |
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rednan | Is it possible to get a notification for network loss? | 19:42 |
rednan | Like, a really really loud beep? | 19:42 |
rednan | I lose chat connections midway and don't know it | 19:43 |
rednan | Because my connection is lost | 19:43 |
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attah | rednan: you could always make an app that uses this (i guess) http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qnetworkaccessmanager.html#networkAccessible-prop | 19:56 |
attah | i.e. listens to "networkAccessibleChanged" | 19:57 |
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M4rtinK | Stskeeps: so to continue on the topic of running alternative distros on the tablet | 20:06 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: I think that as long as people can relatively easily run them if they choose to it should be fine | 20:07 |
Stskeeps | think so, without promising anything :P | 20:09 |
M4rtinK | Stskeeps: ok :) | 20:09 |
M4rtinK | I think it really would be good to be able to make it boot from the uSD card | 20:09 |
M4rtinK | with minimal amount of changes needed in the on-device storage | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | yeah, it's a bios level issue it seems though | 20:10 |
Stskeeps | ie nothing i can likely fix | 20:10 |
M4rtinK | well, worst case there could be a "alt-boot" volume | 20:10 |
M4rtinK | holding kernels and initrds | 20:11 |
M4rtinK | in internal storage | 20:11 |
Stskeeps | that's what i hinted, can just stuff uefi binaries into ESP partition | 20:11 |
Stskeeps | and those can then boot from sd, i guess | 20:11 |
M4rtinK | and the rest (rootfs and other bits) on the uSD card | 20:11 |
* Stskeeps isn't sure | 20:11 | |
Stskeeps | :P | 20:11 |
Stskeeps | but now sleep | 20:11 |
M4rtinK | we support installing stuff so that it boots from multipath iSCSI :) | 20:12 |
M4rtinK | so as long as you can get your initrd to boot | 20:12 |
M4rtinK | you are almost done :) | 20:12 |
M4rtinK | then have a good night & enjoy the weekend! :) | 20:12 |
stephg | g'night | 20:12 |
stephg | Stskeeps: | 20:12 |
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