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* Stskeeps idly looks at http://www.jonobacon.org/2015/06/19/rebasing-ubuntu-on-android/05:36
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messertingHi. I'd like to make my Jolla automatically turn off at night, say 23:00, and automatically turn on at 07:00. Can this be done with cron and acpi wake?07:35
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dr_gogeta86just create an rtc event and shutdown the phone at 23:0007:38
dr_gogeta86https://github.com/nemomobile/timed/commits/master look at this07:39
dr_gogeta86i didn't rembember wich component set rtc events07:39
messertingdr_gogeta86: thanks07:40
dr_gogeta86ask spiiroin,07:41
dr_gogeta86messerting, easy thing first did you know jolla wakeup allarm works  while turned off ?07:42
messertingyep, assumed it did, but never tried it07:42
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rubdoskimmoli, when looking into the Qi spec and the arc-tech company you told me about yesterday, it seems that the electromagnetic permeability is very low (differs two orders of magnitude; about 32 vs 2300)08:43
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kimmolirubdos: ok08:48
rubdosI mentioned Qi charger to them and I hope they have a look in the spec, but I doubt it08:48
kimmolihttp://product.tdk.com/en/products/noise-sheet/noise-sheet/catalog/08:50
kimmolianother one08:50
r0kk3rzi was thinking about going down the not-so wireless charging route08:50
r0kk3rzof pins and magnets like tohkbd08:50
rubdosUgh, TDK datasheets are ugly... "They are flexible(not crack)."08:51
rubdoskimmoli, those are in the megahertz range :/08:52
kimmoliyes08:53
rubdospoint is, Qi recommends a bunch of materials. If you search for them, you only get coils for building transformers, no sheets.08:53
Zombieladoes anyone here have any idea if Jolla works with those bluetooth selfie sticks?08:54
tbrwild guess: those are just BT-HID devices. the question then will be if there is any mapping for the keycode that those send.08:54
Zombielahmm, should I just risk buying it from sale and then complaining if it won't work?08:55
tango_I have the Barcode reader from F-Droid, and I just noticed a missing aspect in the Android/Sailfish OS integration: network setup. Barcode Reader can read qcodes for wap-protected wifi networks, and on android it can connect to the network08:55
Zombielahttps://together.jolla.com/question/79639/does-jolla-camera-support-remote-capture-via-bluetooth/09:02
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rubdosZombiela, looks like you're lucky :)09:05
kimmolirubdos: 300 @  MHz http://katalog.we-online.de/pbs/datasheet/374004.pdf09:05
ZombielaI am wondering what else to shop from this sale too in addition of that09:05
mcfriskhow to use private browsing mode now? there's nothing in browser app setting or in the app gui..09:05
Zombielamcfrisk: in the pulley menu you find new private window or was it tab09:05
kimmolinew tab, pulldown09:06
rubdoskimmoli, that's better already09:06
rubdoskimmoli, you can have a look at this page: http://www.fair-rite.com/newfair/materials78.htm09:07
rubdos(their website is bad as hell, but you get the point of the bottom-left diagram)09:07
rubdoshigh real mu, low imaginary mu, both at 100KHz09:07
rubdosThe specs you send now look the best from what I've seen already09:08
mcfriskok so browser -> tabs ->pulley -> private browsing. this should be documented somewhere..09:08
r0kk3rzit'll end up in the user guide at some point im sure09:10
Zombielahmm, it probably wouldn't like insmat, but that can be removed for photographing09:11
rubdosTo go into the browser story: something I miss is the firefox read mode. It takes the text, and does the reflow. It takes out images and stuff, so you can actually read websites that were made in the '90s.09:11
Yanielwhen did they get around to adding that to firefox :o09:13
mcfriskoh man, jolla browser doesn't have tracking protection feature enabled at compile time...09:14
mcfriskthat would save so much bandwidth09:15
* rubdos downloading all the datasheets...09:16
Zombielawebstore is having an generic error so no selfie stick for me for now09:17
mcfrisktjc login page doesnt work well with jolla browser, sigh. tab zoom and pop up keyboard mess the fields09:18
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mcfriskand the forced login header on the login page, cant zoom to the input fields..09:20
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chem|stmcfrisk: that is a long known issue10:23
r0kk3rzZombiela: thats for the best i think10:25
chem|stI hope Jolla is working on a m.jolla experience but that might be one guy/gal for all of the pages...10:25
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louisdkHi. Is there a tjc ticket on "Hardware keyboard shortcuts". I can't find one, but don't want to create duplicates.11:17
kimmolilouisdk: ?11:18
kimmoliplease come to #jollatohkbd11:18
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mariodzHello everyone :)11:39
Zombielahi11:39
mariodzhello Zombiela :)11:39
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mariodzSfiet_Konstantin, hello :)11:39
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mariodznot sure if you Zombiela can help me ... or if i have to wait a bit but i've got a question ... today i got notified of an update for sailfish os (need to check what version that actually was again) ... anyway ... i was wondering ... would it cause some problems if i performed a factory reset and then checked for the update again? ... and THEN install my apps again?11:42
mariodzthere's not much i currently have on my phone ... only some photos ... some other files ... and i'm transfering them to my computer now for backup11:42
ZombielaI don't thinkk it should except that you would be upgrading from possibly ancient Sailfish11:43
mariodzwell ... that'd be ok with me :D11:43
mariodzi'm also asking because ... i did notice something weird ... at times i can no longer "hang up"11:43
mariodzthe display is acting like i'm not even touching it any more11:44
mariodzor sometimes it does notice my touch but still the option to terminate the call isn't registered11:44
mariodzhave you ever had the same problem?11:45
ZombielaI don't think so, but factory reset should help unless it's hardware issue11:45
mariodzand oh! ... i forgot two other things ... please forgive me but how are you Zombiela? :) ... aaand 2) do i have to remove my memory card before or after doing the factory reset?11:46
Zombielahaving sleeping issues which my nick hints toe even if it's day time now, and you? I think I have performed factory resets with memory card plugged in, but if you don't want to format it and wish to stay safe you might want to remove it before doing the factory reset11:48
mariodzwell ... i don't mind it getting formated ... i just don't want the phone to install the default system on the memory card or something11:50
mariodzand i am sorry to hear that you've got some sleeping issues ...11:50
mariodzjust because someone refers to "zombies" in their name doesn't always mean they have 'em ... but i hear you :)11:51
mariodzif you'd like to i'll pray for you11:51
ZombielaI don't think it would do that11:51
Zombielafor me it does and I did this nick change last night after hours of staying awake in bed11:52
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mariodzi see :)11:52
mariodzwhat's your regular name then if i may ask?11:53
mariodzi'm sorry if that was a rude thing to ask11:55
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ZombielaMikaela11:58
mariodzhope it doesn't sound flirtatious when i say "nice name" :)12:00
mariodznice to meet you :)12:00
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Zombielanice to meet you too12:02
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rubdoskimmoli, those ferrite shields you sent me are pretty expensive, at 15 EUR for 60*60 mm13:29
rubdosor 25 for 120*120, which is about 7 eur per TOH.13:30
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kimmolirubdos: wurth stuff?13:36
rubdosyup13:36
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rubdossearched them on farnell13:36
kimmoliok. wurth is not cheap, farnell is not cheap, and that was marked as "NEW" in wurth pages13:37
rubdosIt's marked "new" on farnell too13:37
rubdosI found some 3M stuff, let me check the DS13:38
kimmolithe permeability value might be misleading if it is shown only for a spot freq, e.g. 13.56 MHz13:38
rubdosindeed13:38
rubdossomething else worth thinking about: do we want a conductive shield?13:39
rubdosDon't think so13:39
rubdosbecause I don't like eddycurrents in my TOH :/13:39
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rubdosfound smting from fair rite now. 200 mu, gotta go now. Bye13:46
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pdanek2Anyone using Line?13:56
pdanek2It's hands down best chat versus WhatsApp, Viber or WeChat.13:57
pdanek2I just tried it first time today and it's just beautiful, functional, professional, everything better than Viber, WhatsApp or WeChat,13:57
urspdanek2: "line" is also an impossible word to google for13:58
M4rtinKanother centralized unencrypted proprietary shit ?13:58
M4rtinK;-)13:59
ursalso, it doesn't seem like it can do irc.13:59
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pdanek2M4rtinK: it just works14:05
urspdanek2: also, it doesn't have a sailfish app, does it?14:06
pdanek2urs: no, just android app, but works well14:07
urspdanek2: can you host your own server?14:08
pdanek2urs: I'm not comparing Line here with what you're talking about14:08
pdanek2I started discussion about pure comparison with WhatsApp, Viber, WeChat14:08
M4rtinKI've started to assess all IM apps by comparing them to Tox14:08
Accepdanek2: I use it regularly, best of the popular apps14:09
urspdanek2: well, you *are* on irc here. The standard of comparison should be this medium here.14:09
pdanek2Acce: exactly, I don't say it's best, but best of popular :)14:09
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M4rtinKso as long as it is not: fully open source, fully encrypted and distributed14:09
M4rtinKI consider it sub-par14:09
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Acceurs: the "geek" standard and regular people standard are quite different14:10
ursM4rtinK: well, I used the same reasoning back when people started using facebook, and nobody seems to have paid any mind14:10
TemeVpdanek2: is there open api for third party apps?14:11
AcceTemeV: nope14:11
Accethere is the one guy who has snooped the API somewhat, but he was thrown out of github14:12
TemeVso Telegram still wins this war14:12
AcceI don't know anyone using Telegram, so sadly it loses14:13
Acceunfortunately communication app is not worth anything, if you can't communicate with it14:13
Acceand for everyone else but the "regular" there's IRC14:13
TemeVYes, that is always the problem14:13
TemeVbut my friends moved to Telegram so I don't have that problem14:14
M4rtinKTemeV: Telegram is centralized and the backend is closed source, right ? :)14:14
TemeVWhat I mean is Telegram is technically best of these centralized poorly encrypted messenger14:14
TemeVs14:15
AcceI couldn't convince my friends, because they're bound to some platforms by their other friends etc and they don't want to use multiple things because "why not just use this one that works?"14:15
TemeVM4rtinK: correct14:15
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TemeVAcce: well, then you're out of luck14:16
Acceyeah.. for now14:16
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M4rtinKwell, most of my friends are actually quite technically able14:18
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M4rtinKwhich has the side effect of staying away from the popular yet technically crappy and privacy invading IM services14:20
M4rtinKalso the lack of any need for registration & remembering your login/password in Tox helps a lot14:21
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M4rtinKso its really effortless to set-up14:21
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Stskeepsx§14:22
TemeVM4rtinK: does tox deliver messages that are sent while you are offline?14:23
M4rtinKTemeV: Not at all. :)14:23
TemeVso it is useless for mobile14:23
M4rtinKat least uTox wont even let you queue the message for sending14:24
M4rtinKcurrently14:24
YanielTox is a nice idea but unfortunately the devs are toxic14:25
M4rtinKbut a lot could be done client side14:25
M4rtinKwell they could think more hard about backward compatibility, that's for sure14:25
Yanielbackward compatibility is the least of my worries there14:26
M4rtinKI haven't communicated with them directly but from how they present themselves14:27
M4rtinKthey didn't seem too out of whack14:27
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Yanielwelll... they could be done with a lot of things already14:36
Yanieland probably would, if interacting with them didn't cause cancer14:36
M4rtinKat least it is a good proof of concept14:39
M4rtinKso maybe a less toxic project shows-up building on Tox as its base :)14:40
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pdanek2Acce: first day on Line and it's beauty14:46
pdanek2if a man forgets the stuff around "proprietary, closed API, closed source" and focus on functionality only, it's masterpiece14:47
pdanek2long time I haven't been satisfied with software like this, both mobile app and Windows app14:47
pdanek2maybe the Windows app is even better14:48
pdanek2Viber / WhatsApp Windows apps are horrible14:48
mariodzsorry to bother y'all ... i've run into some stupid issue ... i did a factory reset on my phone ... and now i don't know how to update it any more : (14:48
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Yanielafter the reset, set up your jolla account, don't install any apps14:48
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mariodzi did that Yaniel ...14:48
Yanielsearch for updates and it should find one14:49
mariodzbut i can't find the "update" entry any more14:49
Yanielsettings->system->about14:50
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mariodzalright ... did that Yaniel14:51
mariodzha! ... thanks :D ... finally ... the update notification is there :D14:51
mariodzthanks14:51
mariodzi feel rather stupid now14:52
mariodzyou see ... i thought i had remembered it differently ...14:53
mariodzwhat i don't understand right now is ...14:55
mariodzit's updating to 1.1.2.16 ...14:55
mariodzinstead of this other update i read about14:56
kimmolimariodz: waht versio you were at? some ancient?14:56
Yanielfactory reset14:56
Yanielso yes, an ancient version14:57
Yanielit updates to that version first14:57
Yanielthen to the latest14:57
mariodzok :)14:57
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mariodzplease excuse me for a few more bits ... i'll be back in a few :)15:05
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Zombielado I understand correctly that when you send Jolla to Care, they will flash newer recovery image inside too?15:06
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Stskeepsif it gets reflashed i would presume so15:07
Zombiela:)15:08
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kimmoliworth of sending it it just for that?15:18
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rysiek|plhi all15:24
rysiek|plI'm trying to stream audio TO my Jolla15:24
rysiek|plthis was possible with N900:15:25
rysiek|plhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_Audio_To_N90015:25
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rysiek|plcan't seem to find where to get the esound-protocol-tcp module15:25
rysiek|plany hints? trying to load it flat out fails15:25
Stskeepsif you ask monday, jusa_ can probably answer15:28
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rysiek|plahm thanks15:33
Stskeeps(pulseaudio guru)15:33
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HtheBhow can I associate some file to open in a certain app instead of opening up the browser?15:50
HtheBfile extension15:51
newinyes, but I don't remember how... just remember that you need a terminal to do this15:55
newin(i'm not from jolla team)15:55
kimmoliHtheB: search TJC or TMO, it was explained somewhere15:55
HtheBnewin: I know I can, I asked "how" not "if"15:55
kimmolior backlogs of #sailfishos15:55
HtheBT_T15:55
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newinI've found something that looks like this on a question with someone who want to make an android browser as his default browser15:57
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HtheBnewin: link?15:59
newinhttps://together.jolla.com/question/1836/set-default-browser/15:59
newinthe important part is "MimeType"15:59
HtheBthnx, i should try to see what I can do abou tit15:59
HtheByeah16:00
newinthis is not a straight answer but it can give you an idea of how to proceed...16:00
HtheBI want a streaming file to be opened with an Android app instead of Sailfish Browser16:00
HtheBbecause the browser tries to download a stream....16:00
HtheBinstead of streaming it :op16:00
HtheB:P16:00
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kimmolihmm.. http://blog.leapmotion.com/integrate-leap-motion-arduino-raspberry-pi/?utm_source=Leap+Motion+Newsletter&utm_campaign=c166ac188a-Newsletter_119a&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f0a6fbd89e-c166ac188a-6023084116:30
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kimmoliäh, pc required seems16:32
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HtheBIs there a way to restore the .vault directory without micro SD card?17:46
HtheBwhen I restore the phone to factory settings, I can't put back the backup...17:47
HtheBit doesn't accept it17:47
HtheBis there some way to get the backup without the sd card?17:47
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locusfscp?17:56
HtheBlocusf: already did17:57
locusfoh17:57
HtheBthe point is, when I put the files back to the phone, it wont accept it17:57
locusfdo a system upgrade first?17:58
HtheBsure, already tried that out as well17:58
HtheBthe problem is: it doesn't detect the backup...17:58
HtheBas if there is no backup made at all17:59
locusfhmmm18:00
HtheBweird...18:02
HtheBI created a backup18:02
locusfmanually run the-vault?18:02
HtheBi found a big18:03
HtheBbug*18:03
locusfok what happened18:03
HtheBi just made a new backup, but the backup didnt appair on the "restore list"18:03
HtheBdid it again, still nothing18:03
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HtheBso I deleted the .vault directory manually18:03
HtheBand made a new backup again, then it showed the backup correctly in the list18:04
HtheBbut then again... I'm afraid that it wont show the backup again if I factory reset the phone :(18:04
HtheBI have to be sure about this :(18:04
locusfyeah18:04
HtheBotherwise: is there a way to put the files manually?18:04
HtheBcontacts isnt a problem, opening the contact file is enough :p18:05
HtheBI dont want to loose my messages...18:05
locusfthe tool is opensource18:07
locusfbut the frontend isn't18:07
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HtheBthats like: here is the ingredients, but we dont tell how to make.....18:07
locusfyep18:09
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HtheBanyway.... here we go again18:09
* HtheB factory resets the phone18:09
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HtheB_afkbbl with the results18:11
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HtheB_afklocusf: :(19:12
HtheB_afklike i thought, no backup in the list...19:12
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HtheBlocusf: I made a new backup, and after that, replaced the directories with my old backup, that trick did the job :)19:51
HtheBbut ffs, my phone keeps turning off or rebooting when i make or receive a call :/19:52
HtheB(most of the times)19:52
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ZombielaHtheB: tomaw WALLOPS A few of our sponsor are currently undergoing ddos attacks leading to some network disconnects. We're looking into more details.21:30
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