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onlais jolla as open as n900 and neo900 in terms of anything?08:25
onlaI can't google info on how to install another OS on jolla phone. Also no one has answered a form post forum post from 2 months ago when someone asks about reinstallation of sailfish08:26
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Helleonla: it's not quite as open08:28
ln-installing another OS on jolla phone would be quite pointless, as the hardware isn't particularly high-end or inexpensive.08:28
SfietKonstantinWand installing another OS would require adaptation for the non-OSS drivers08:28
SfietKonstantinW(thanks qualcomm)08:28
SfietKonstantinWfor example, installing open-freemantle would be tricky08:29
entilwasn't the hardware originally an android phone?08:29
entilno idea why anyone would want to but maybe android would work :P08:29
SfietKonstantinWit is based on an Android phone08:30
SfietKonstantinWentil: not even sure08:30
entilmy arrogant, unwanted opinion is that if someone has time to play around with such a futile effort maybe they could direct their energy into something else :D08:30
entilother-half stuff would never work.. I guess..08:31
entilat least not as an other half, maybe the nfc could be used for something else.. but why..08:31
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onlaok08:33
onlaI wonder how it is different from n900 in that openness aspect08:34
Nicd-it's less open than neo900 but similarly or more open than n900 I think.08:35
Nicd-but would need to do work to really compare08:36
entilI wonder why fairphone doesn't run sailfish08:36
onlaah08:36
entilprobably because they haven't got hardware compatibility, but why don't they ;P08:37
Helleentil: because fairphone isn't fair and is run by genuine grade A idiots ?08:37
StskeepsO_o08:37
Hellefairphone is half run by idealists with no buisness sense and half run by people making a money grab over feelgoods08:37
entilHelle: dunno about any of that :P08:37
entilfair trade has been exposed for being feel-good money grabbing in the sense that the producers don't really get that much more than non-fair-trade farmers, so I wouldn't be surprised at that08:38
entilnot having a business sense simply means going out of business08:38
Nicd-Helle: source?08:38
Helleentil: the mix of non-ethically produced goods in cellphones with final assembly in a decent factory (even in China) is so low, it's ff'ing around in the margin to begin with08:38
HelleNicd-: I'll see if I can dig up some, most of it actually having met people in the company08:39
HelleNicd-: so I am the biased source08:39
Helleentil: like "conflict minerals" consist of less then 5% of the worldwide production of it anyway....08:39
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entilmmh08:41
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entilhaven't heard "conflict minerals" before, maybe I should read their site08:42
entilreminds me of "blood diamonds" tho08:42
Helleentil: it's similar and actually related08:42
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Hellebut the basic thing is, Africa sells about 10-15% of the minerals that we are talking about anyway, most of the production is from China and Brazil08:43
entiland of those 10-15% some lesser percent actually qualifies for conflict minerals?08:44
Helleyep08:44
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Helleand they are mixed in at points of the supply chain where there is very little provenance, so the way you get conflict free minerals is to just not buy African ones at all08:45
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HelleBut ofcourse it sounds good for marketing reasons to claim that blood clings to phones08:46
Hellebtw, the only mineral we are talking about is tantalum, used in high frequency capacitors08:46
Helleall other minerals used in a phone aren't sourced on the international open market at all08:46
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entil"blood clings to phones" geez08:49
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entilafrica is huge, it's hard to imagine there wouldn't be any ethical production there08:50
* Stskeeps believes that your brain clings to your phones..08:50
Stskeeps:P08:50
entilunless you play the leopold ii / belgian congo card and say that there is nothing but blood in african production08:50
Helleentil: Kenia has ethical production for example, but is also the place most unethical stuff got mixed in08:50
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Helleand yes, the Congo is the place where most conflict mining happens for it08:50
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entilmy take on this all is that it was wrong to institute slavery and mess with other cultures, but after the fact there are examples or actual prosperity, but people only remember leopold ii08:51
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entilbut I'm not a historian so maybe I'm completely wrong08:51
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adherrySo much excess flooding here09:08
Nicd-?09:09
Nicd-ohhh quitting09:09
Nicd-have those hidden by default in freenode. makes it readable09:09
entil+109:09
Nicd-weechat's smart filter is seriously awesome for that09:09
adherryhave to look how i can filter that with colloqoy09:10
entilanyone using irssi can just /ignore those, no filtering09:11
adherryhad to think of x-chat a week ago09:11
adherrymy 2 year old crash bug was reopened09:11
MikaelaXChat is not developed anymore and has multiple issues like missing SASL support and not supporting TLS (which means you cannot connect to most of networks and bouncers). You can use your current config with HexChat (instructions: http://goo.gl/qqnBsh). HexChat's homepage: http://goo.gl/HIQ6V009:11
entilbut I think I'd like filters, because irssi doesn't log the quits and such that are ignored09:11
adherrythere is xchat-aqua which seems to be still in development09:12
Nicd-yes, it's nice that you can log them and also toggle the filter on/off (it will show/hide them instantly)09:12
Mikaelaadherry: I don't think it is or at least I think it didn't have TLS support some time ago as someone asked on #znc why it was unable to connect with SSL09:13
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adherryWell, Colloquy looks much better than xcode anyways09:16
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ilpianistaI don't get why my app has status "APPROVED", but in truth is already available in the jolla store o.O10:44
ln-what status would you expect it to have?10:44
ilpianistaPUBLISHED10:44
adherryDENIED?^^10:45
ilpianista(as the others have)10:45
Stskeepsmoo Venemo10:47
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coderusilpianista: what? there are only three statuses: submitted, approved and rejected10:50
Nicd-there's also published10:51
Nicd-both my apps are in that status10:51
ilpianistaand there's also QA10:51
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coderusinside notifications it have approved status, inside app list it says published.10:53
ilpianistanope.10:53
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Armadilloat least there's also locked in QA ;)11:07
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Armadillonot all status levels are shown in the notifications11:08
Stskeepsg/ sage11:09
Venemohey Stskeeps :)11:11
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Venemohm11:20
Venemowhy isn't there nslookup on the jolla?11:20
Stskeepsit's deprecated11:20
Stskeepsor rather, part of bind11:20
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Venemowhat can I use instead?11:27
Stskeepshost?11:28
Stskeepsi personally use ping11:28
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fennekkipong11:35
Venemohost: command not found11:37
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Mikaelahost wasn't on Jolla last time I checked and in openrepos there is only dig12:18
ggabrielno bind tools bundled with jolla i'm afraid12:18
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locusftigeli_ had a PR for mer that includes that package12:25
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tadzikfennekki++ # I now wonder if you're actually a bot12:33
fennekki:o12:33
fennekkium?12:33
fennekkiwhat makes you think that12:33
tadzikStskeeps | i personally use ping12:36
tadzikfennekki | pong12:36
tadziklike an automated response :)12:37
merlin1991Hm i prefer dig12:39
Mikaelaping won't tell you all addresses12:41
Mikaelaor even record types12:41
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tadzikheh, no more tohkbd2's15:12
tadzikit seems like every time someone does a tohkbd they figure they don't want to do it ever again :)15:13
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phlixii hit "send" to send an SMS, then reboot...15:16
phlixi...rebooted, go to contact, send sms, the sms is listed with "sending" (usually "delivered")15:17
phlixiand instant reboot -.-15:17
phlixiand again (boot, go to sms, its still "sending" and reboot")...15:17
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phlixiafter that i left it off, and half an hour later i booted... its still "sending", but does not reboot anymore...15:18
phlixi(of course the sms was not send)15:18
phlixithis reboot stuff is going from bad to worse...15:27
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onlaguess this would fit the jolla phone? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cool-Multi-Purpose-Silicon-Soft-Grip-Exclusive-Universal-Bumper-Phone-Case-For-Jolla-Jolla-Free-Gift/32249367023.html16:12
tadzikoo16:12
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tadzikhttp://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cool-Multi-Purpose-Silicon-Soft-Grip-Exclusive-Universal-Bumper-Phone-Case-For-Jolla-Jolla-Free-Gift/32249367023.html16:13
onlaokay they have comments there too16:13
tadzikdoesn't seem like16:13
onla:/16:14
tadzikyour best chance is the bumperTOH from funkyotherhalf16:15
tadzika bit pricey though16:15
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onlathey have another product there which says 'new' instead of 'cool' in the title, but with no comments and about the same price. So there is a chance they have looked ath the comments of that earlier one and made adjustments?16:17
tadzikdoes it also have a picture of the iphone?:)16:17
onlaheh yes16:18
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coderusthis is just a rubber band16:44
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intehello17:18
intei have, again, sth. new17:19
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intesome notification messages can't br deleted from the notification screen17:20
intethey just remain sticky while newer can be deleted as usual17:20
inteany idea, anyone?17:20
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raa700have you tried turning it off and on again?17:24
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inteyes, sure17:29
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intethey just remain sticky:(17:29
jaacoppiany specific apps or just random?17:31
interather random17:33
intemost are from tje pass viewer app17:34
inteplane tickets17:34
intebut also patchmanager17:34
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spidermariosince the last update, wi-fi tethering stops working after a few hoursng22:57
spidermariohours*22:57
spidermarioanyone having the same issue?22:57
spidermariothe phone must be rebooted when it happens22:57
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phlixispider-mario: i had this month ago, stopped when i no longer used bluetooth at the same time23:17
phliximonth's23:17
phlixi....but might be someting different of course :-)23:17
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