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SfietKonstantinWStskeeps: just why ? https://twitter.com/stskeeps/status/61432383412939161606:52
StskeepsSfietKonstantinW: http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2015/06/inceptionism-going-deeper-into-neural.html06:53
SfietKonstantinWbut IMO, neural network is considered processing the image, and you might not have the right to use copyright images to feed neural network06:53
StskeepsSfietKonstantinW: if we were answering this with a human seeing something and making a inspired deriative, would it be a new work?06:54
Stskeeps:P06:54
SfietKonstantinWStskeeps: technically yeah06:55
SfietKonstantinWI see your point now :)06:55
TemeVStskeeps: at some point it is plagiarism06:57
SfietKonstantinWor parody06:57
TemeVbut it is an interesting question. I'll keep the popcorns ready for the first trial :)06:59
Stskeepsmakes you wonder when the first neural implants come, if transmissing a memory 1:1 to somebody else would constitute copyright infringement07:00
Stskeeps:P07:00
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Stskeepsthis is an interesting move: http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/25/amazon-unbundles-alexa-virtual-assistant-from-echo-with-new-dev-tools/07:00
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SfietKonstantinWthis and google now (and the issue with embedding a binary blob on OSS chromium etc.)07:02
SfietKonstantinWso you are ready to be listened by the GAFA07:02
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intedid I already miss an email or did Jolla not yet send out the notifications to reconfirm the tablet shipping address?07:38
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Armadillohi inte :)07:41
inteHi07:41
ArmadilloI think my girl friend hasn't received such a notification, too07:42
inteah good to know07:42
intei ordered from my gmail  from which I recently purged a couple of (thousands) messages :-)07:43
Armadillolol07:43
inteits rather my spam account07:43
inteArmadillo: I guess you read my comments about tw/tasklist? :)07:44
Armadillointe: I already answered :P07:44
intehu :)07:44
Armadilloand another guy already made another suggestion on github07:45
intewell that was also me I guess :)07:46
Armadillooh, goot to know :)07:46
inteJolla store is somewhat anoying for discussions07:46
Armadillo*good07:46
Armadilloyes07:46
Armadilloespecially without tohkbd :D07:47
inteYou never receive any notifications, nor can you view it from your desktop07:47
intehehe indeed07:47
inteI guess I need one but I missed the kickstarter project07:47
Armadillobut Dirk started with the qwertz orders, so it dan' take ages now :D07:47
Armadillo*can't07:47
intelucky you!07:48
intebtw I made taskwarrior available on openrepos07:48
inteits cli but somewhat ok to use at least for basic operations07:48
Armadillocool07:49
integui would be always nicer of course :-)07:49
Armadillowell i like your "stripped down" suggestion07:49
Armadillobut that means the "synchronization" is a bit a pain in the ass for the user07:49
intei really didn't know this taskwarrior thing before I read about it in the tasklist-comments, but its really great07:50
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Armadillohehe07:50
ArmadilloI started tasklist, because I used wunderlist V1 on Android many years07:50
inteArmadillo: well i dont know how sync works in particular, but maybe its possible to use the tw sync framework but only allow to either add, delete, start or finish tasks?07:50
inteor maybe only view tasks?07:51
Armadillothe support for multiple is not the hard thing07:52
Armadillothe problem is the sync mechanism itself07:52
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intetw is mit license07:52
inteMIT07:52
intebut sure, you needend sync then, just download maybe?07:53
intelike one-way updates07:53
Armadillothe easiest thing would be export from tl, import or open in tw07:53
Armadillobut how to keep both in sync if both are used for example at a day07:53
Armadilloyes one way would be an option07:54
inteyeah thats what I ment07:54
Armadillobut is that acceptable for the users?07:54
intewell CLI is a bit ...07:54
ArmadilloI'm not using tw, so it shouldn't be my decision07:54
ArmadilloI'm only a bit like a moderator for the discussion07:54
Armadillo^^07:54
inteand if you just want to show up current tasks, why not07:54
Armadillohm07:55
intenot too many people use tw i presume07:55
inteor do even know about it :-)07:55
Armadillonot really07:55
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Armadillo4 or 5 different users asked for it07:55
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intewell still I guess the standardized sync throug CalDAV should remain your focus07:56
Armadillobut I assume it's only the power users who use it07:56
inteso I woudn't spend too much efforts in adding tw07:56
inteme too07:56
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Armadillo:)07:57
Armadilloyes caldav is my #1 must have feature :D07:57
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inteon the other hand, if you could just utilize the tw-sync stack and put it in TaskList to display and maybe even alter Tasks, it would of course be nice!07:57
Armadillowell07:58
intei dont know how modular taskwarrior is07:58
intebut it can be compiled with or w/o sync feature07:58
Armadillothe plan with caldav is to sync on a per list base07:58
Armadilloso this maybe could also been done for tw07:58
inteyeah that would be great07:58
intelike with openxchange07:58
intekde kontact07:58
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Armadillohmmm07:59
Armadillocan't get the dropbox support to work07:59
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intei have to admit that I barely use list for tasks08:00
intetasks are tasks and they have just to be done!08:00
inte:)08:00
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Armadillolist for tasks?08:01
intelists08:02
inteverschiedene Listen08:02
Armadilloah ok08:02
Armadillohehe08:02
ArmadilloI have to much lists with to much undone tasks :x08:03
intehihi08:03
inteyeah to bad08:03
intethats a good thing in taskwarrior08:03
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inteyou can always use the burndown function to discover how productive you were08:04
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inteit comes with graphical output through ncurses (i guess) even in the CLI08:04
inteit even reminds you when you finish newer tasks first08:05
Armadillonice08:05
intesth like "there might be more important tasks to do"08:06
Armadillohehe08:06
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intelike, if you rather start cleaning the windows thant preparing your tax-stuff :-)08:06
Armadillo:)08:06
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inteArmadillo: https://github.com/burnison/tasksync08:19
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inteJust saw I only have like 13 downloads since I put it up on openrepos, so I guess there is not too much need for TW on jolla :)08:24
Armadilloah thanks08:25
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birdzhanginte:I am from China08:56
birdzhang:)08:56
inte?08:56
inteso? :)08:56
birdzhang:D08:57
birdzhangOfficially speaking, we come from the same country. :D08:58
Tm_Twhich China?08:58
inte?08:59
birdzhang:o09:00
* Armadillo is confused09:00
Nicd-People's Republic of China vs Republic of China09:00
inteI still don't get it, sorry09:00
birdzhangOnly one China,my daddy told me09:01
intebut I'm from Germany :)09:01
birdzhang:embarrassed:09:01
Nicd-inte: the first is the one we usually think as China. the second is Taiwan09:01
ursPeople's republic of germany09:01
inteah09:01
Nicd-but Taiwan is officially Republic of China09:01
birdzhangTW means ....09:01
Nicd-so there's two chinas and they both think they are *the* China09:01
intestill so but Im neither from Taiwan nor from China then09:02
Nicd-PRC is de facto China09:02
Armadillotw means taskwarrior in this case ;D09:02
inteaaaah09:02
birdzhanglol09:02
intethat wasn't an easy guess!09:02
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inte:)09:02
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birdzhanghave someone already got jolla table ?09:06
Stskeepsi have one, but i have to work on it.. :P09:06
birdzhangwow09:06
birdzhangis it awesome ? :)09:07
Stskeepsof course.09:07
Stskeeps:P09:07
birdzhangXD09:08
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dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, some blog post is very appreciated ... if someone got the time09:11
cybettedr_gogeta86: we're working on some posts, but those not on vacation are extremely busy with working on the tablet...09:12
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SfietKonstantinWcybette: :)09:14
SfietKonstantinWpretty please with sugar on top09:14
* cybette is supposed to have an off day today but have pretty much worked all morning09:15
SfietKonstantinWthat's not surprising from you cybette09:15
cybetteSfietKonstantinW: :P09:15
* chem|st is supposed to work today, but is pretty much doing nothing all morning09:16
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SfietKonstantinW:D09:17
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chem|stSfietKonstantinW: stop bothering sailors... each word they type to us is one word they do not type code09:18
chem|stremember that09:18
chem|stat least until we got our tablets!09:18
SfietKonstantinWchem|st: I can bother cybette09:18
SfietKonstantinWshe do not do code09:18
SfietKonstantinW:)09:18
Armadillochem|st: lol :D09:19
chem|stSfietKonstantinW: but she could fold cardboard boxes with your name on it!09:19
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cybettebut i put words on jolla blog and sailfishos.org :P09:19
cybettechem|st: that i can do :D09:20
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intewell you will have us to reconfirm our shipping address first I guess :)09:20
chem|stcybette: and write nice letters and put them in the boxes!09:20
chem|stinte: how often do you want to confirm shipping addresses?09:21
zhxtchem|st, +1, :)09:21
intechem|st: did you already?09:21
inteI afraid I lost that mail in which we were asked for09:21
inte:(09:21
cybetteinte: just the names for now, the address after reconfirming :)09:22
cybettehttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205320438-Confirming-your-delivery-address-changing-the-delivery-time09:22
cybettewe haven't asked for the reconfirmation. it will happen closer to start of shipping (learning from jolla phone shipments, lots of address changes etc.)09:24
TemeV"If you this you will not be available for receiving the Tablet"09:24
TemeVI think there is something strange in that sentence09:24
cybetteTemeV: good catch, will fix, thanks :)09:24
inteI will from now on really watch my inbox :)09:25
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cybetteTemeV: I think it should be "If you know you will not be available..." but I'll get our care team to confirm and update the article09:28
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dr_gogeta86SfietKonstantinW, cybette better  this http://www.meteoweb.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/GRANITA.jpg09:28
TemeVcybette: that would make sense09:28
dr_gogeta86the cream got a the sugar inside09:28
cybettedr_gogeta86: that looks too good, i might have a coma after that and unable to work :D09:29
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cybetteanyway, should try to enjoy my day off (even though chatting here is nice too). i do hear your requests and will do my best to ping/bother/threaten people if necessary to fulfill them.09:31
cybetteok maybe not the threaten...09:31
ggabrielcybette: threathen them with chocolate09:33
SfietKonstantinWdr_gogeta86: :)09:34
dr_gogeta86is coffe under09:34
cybetteggabriel: "give me what i want or else i'll force feed you chocolate until you suffocate!" ?09:34
dr_gogeta86sometimes is better then a redbull09:35
ggabrielno, just leave copious amounts of chocolate next to them09:35
ggabrielthey'll eat them, they'll feel guilty09:35
ggabrielthey'll live a life of guilt09:35
ggabrielunless they do what you say09:35
ggabrielany remainders, you can send my way ;-)09:35
cybetteah :D well that's more like guilt tripping, but might work!09:35
ggabrielalternatively, they'll just do what you say because you keep bringing chocolate09:35
ggabrieleverybody wins09:35
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cybettethese chocolates? http://jolla.se/09:36
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ggabriellol09:37
ggabrielthey look good though09:37
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cybetteyeah, i should try them out first!09:38
* cybette orders chocolates -> overdozes on them herself -> plan backfies09:38
ggabrielcybette: that sounds like a dangerous mission, you'll need an attorney09:39
* ggabriel can be an attonery :P09:40
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cybetteggabriel: will consult you on the strategy! but now lunch and then provinssirock.fi \m/09:41
cybettelaterz09:41
ggabrielenjoy09:41
Armadillolunch sounds like a plan^^09:42
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Armadilloburger day... yay =)09:42
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wysiwtfhelloes14:01
Yanielhullo14:01
wysiwtfwhats the current ETA of the tab? havent followed jolla news much lately14:01
TemeVend of july14:02
wysiwtfmh thats not too far away14:02
wysiwtfare they keeping up with sailfish2?14:03
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tiwakewysiwtf: would think so15:30
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Sailfishmods_de\o ;)18:38
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