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dr_gogeta86 Free shipping in E.U. Deliveries will start in about fifteenth of July.10:58
dr_gogeta86from latsucase.com10:58
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ppooh :-) but where's the tablet!11:04
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ggabrielsoon!11:15
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grzywaczSpeaking of lastu... I wonder how one takes calls with this thing on: http://lastucase.com/product/lastu-wallet-case-for-jolla-lompakko-wallet-case-cover-suojakuori/11:29
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Teemuyou flip it open and it looks funnyish on your ear11:31
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grzywaczOh, like that.11:37
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Yanielor you can flip it around and it looks relatively sane11:40
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ggabrielthose wallets are relatively popular these days and people flip it around i think11:46
ggabrielor they just send you a watsaaaaap and avoid calling :P11:47
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grzywacz;)11:50
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pogI just activated the remote connection fr my jolla. At the moment ssh promts, but may be I have a wrong user. I tried with root@12:08
pogand nemo@12:08
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Stskeepsnemo@ and check password in developer mode12:08
pogthanks12:09
pognemo at worked (I see now), but took a real long time to login.12:10
ggabrielexpected due to power saving12:12
pogcould be12:12
ggabrieldo the emperical test and you'll realize it is :)12:13
ggabrielempirican evel12:13
ggabrieleven even :P12:13
* ggabriel can't type today... needs his tohkbd ;)12:13
pogis there a short documentation/overview about shell commands an what is installed. I see nemo is not installed, and looking for the tools installed.12:14
pogvi improved... :-)12:15
Yaniela plain busybox installation IIRC12:16
ggabrielyou can check packages installed12:16
ggabrielbusybox? sailfish runs bash :P12:16
Yanielwhatever the package was called12:16
inzggabriel, busybox and bash don't exclude each other12:17
ggabrielno, but busybox is just a shell12:17
inzno, it is not12:17
inzbusybox includes ash, which is a shell12:17
Stskeepscoreutils is there12:17
inz(or rather, can include)12:17
pogI'm new to sailfish, I have to look for documentation, particullarly paket managment for installion some favorite tools (if not already installed).12:18
Yanielpkcon12:18
Yanieland instead of sudo there is devel-su12:19
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ggabrielinz: uhm... ok, still... sailfish doesn't have just busybox12:19
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ggabrielpog: you can get more stuff from mer-tools12:19
ggabrieli'm sure there are a number of tjc questions about this12:20
ggabrieli got sudo from there, since it's a bit more easier to use than devel-su12:20
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ggabrieland loads of people compiled loads of things in openrepos, of course, but that's at your own risk12:20
pogscreen is installed :-)12:21
pogthanks12:21
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Nicd-tmux is nicer :)12:23
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pogI heard of tmux but until now I always used screen.12:24
ggabrieli only use tmux because obsd comes with it12:24
pogin general I like to have a shell which ist resident.12:25
ggabrielelse they are pretty much the same12:25
pogmy weechat (which I use her) runs in a screen session on a virtual server.12:25
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pogis see bash and busybox in /bin12:29
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Stskeepsthere's coreutils too12:31
Stskeepsbusybox is just there for gzip and udhcp12:31
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pogok12:35
pogit's nice... have to continue later, thanks and cul8ter12:36
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Venemogood morning!! :)15:14
ggabrielo/ Venemo15:14
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pogI have found the way of installing (for example nano) with pkcon. in the example for me it's not clear, wether it can be executet without devel-su... and might be different usages as root and normal user.15:54
ggabrielnano or pkcon?15:55
pogpkcon is installed an I might install nano15:55
ggabrielwhat are you wondering what to run as root or not? pkcon or nano?15:56
pogas herehttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9203615:56
pogusually on installs with root...15:56
ggabrielyes15:56
ggabrielthat post is rather old15:56
ggabrielsome things may be ok though15:57
ggabrielso be careful15:57
ggabriel"Yeah, you can compile C/C++ code and run .o objects at CLI."15:57
ggabrielyeah, careful with that one, you have to know what you're doing15:57
pogi was not shure, whether there might be another effect, when installing someting as normal user.15:57
pogpkcon (as i think) is similar to apt-get15:58
ggabrieli believe pkcon has to be run as root15:59
pogi don't just likt to compile something (if not neccessary:-)15:59
pogok15:59
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ggabrielcompile in the sdk16:01
ggabrielis my advice16:01
pogI recently compiled somesting (QLC+) on a raspbian, it was extemly easy qmake /make -j4 / make install (in the folder unpacked with tgz). But here I have no idea, but at the moment I just like to install some tools as nano, mc and others. (if not found alternatives with already installed software).16:05
ggabrielmc? wow :)16:05
pogmidnight commander16:05
ggabrieli know it16:06
pogi love it, particularly when coping things to another machine.16:06
pogactually I plan to use my jolla to make some easy maintenance on some PI-Maschines via hostapd16:07
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pogso I have to learn to use the console... :-)16:08
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chem|stpog: add mer-tools repo, there should be plenty of stuff you may need16:54
chem|stor well activate it, I think it comes disabled but is already set up16:55
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pogwhat does Packagekit? it interferes with zypper.16:58
pogchem|st: I have found some hints...  I just have found hint to install mc via zyper.16:59
chem|stpog: do not use zypper17:03
chem|stuse pkcon17:03
chem|stiirc zypper has no configuration that is in any way save17:03
pogo.k. I try17:04
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pognano worked perfectly, I'm looking now for mc17:04
chem|stbecome familiar with using pkcon17:04
pogyep17:04
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Teemuhow does one configure the wlan via cli?17:11
Teemuthe gui is failing at times to understand that i'm actually willing to connect to a network that doesn't connect to internet and that i will not want it to automagically go search for one that does17:11
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OsanweTeemu: try `wpa_cli` http://sirlagz.net/2012/08/27/how-to-use-wpa_cli-to-connect-to-a-wireless-network/17:16
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OsanweTeemu: It requires root access17:17
pogTeemu: (on the PI) i used wpa_passphrase and wpa_supplicant, that seem's rather easy to me, without any network manager.17:19
poghere on the jolla, wlan connection worked directly :-)17:19
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Teemuyes yes but the problem is, i'm every now and then willing to join a test network in a situation when a normal open or preconfigured working network is in hearing range17:21
Teemuin that case, i cannot even join the nonworking one as it automagically gets disconnected in favour of the one that provides interweb tubes connexion17:21
Teemunonworking being in this case that the network happens to be local wlan only with no connections to anywhere17:21
pogah... for wpa_ you can even create a one-liner and or make a script.17:22
pogI don't know for jolla, but in general the network manager disturb the connection one makes on the cli.17:24
pogTeemu: on problem was in my case, that networkmanager always disconnected wlan, when no IP-Adress was delivered (but there are definitly to steps, establish to wlan, and give an IP).17:28
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Morpog_PCI have that feeling that 1.1.7 is getting skipped for 1.1.918:45
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StskeepsMorpog_PC: what makes you say that?18:48
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Morpog_PCno eary access of 1.1.7 yet :D18:50
Morpog_PCearly18:50
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Morpog_PCalso that openssl problem18:50
Stskeeps******* openssl18:51
Stskeeps:P18:51
Morpog_PC:D18:51
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r0kk3rzor it all gets rolled up into 2.018:58
r0kk3rzunless they're planning on releasing the tablet with a 1.X release18:59
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_inte_I started a btrfs balance yesterday and its still running19:01
_inte_is that normal?19:01
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r0kk3rzon the outside of normal19:04
_inte_i mean, the fs is quite full, but still19:04
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_inte_last time it took only like a few hours...19:05
r0kk3rzusually its best to remove stuff from filesystem before balance19:05
_inte_well, yeah19:05
_inte_i normaly removed until I went below 10gig19:05
r0kk3rzbut there have been reports of it taking many hours to complete19:05
_inte_now i started with like 11 or 12 gig19:06
_inte_bad idea, obviously19:06
r0kk3rzyou can cancel it i think19:06
_inte_uh, i dont dare19:06
_inte_im afraid of data loss19:07
_inte_i of course made no backup in advance :)19:07
_inte_and i could imaging having using even more space after a cancel19:07
r0kk3rzstick it on charge and then wait19:08
_inte_doing that19:08
r0kk3rzcome back in a week and hope its done19:08
_inte_hehe19:08
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_inte_hopefully in the morning19:08
_inte_is there any chance to optain some progress info19:08
_inte_btw, sth. funny from hamburg... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2RGeqjHeCU19:09
_inte_slightly OT :)19:09
_inte_btt: does the jolla turn into a somewhat readonly mode while the btrfs rebalance is running?19:15
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