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PawkyOn my samsung note I have the great app Xprivacy installed which makes me able to decide what resources an installed app actually is allowed to access. Is there a way to do similar things for android apps on the Jolla?05:00
PawkyWhat does android apps actually get access to automatically, phonebook, location, etc?05:01
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Yanielevverrythiiingg05:51
Yanieljk, with 1.1.7 there is an entry for android compatibility in settings->applications05:52
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* Stskeeps yawns06:35
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TemeVPawky: I wonder how that app works... I mean, if you can write such an app that makes those restrictions, can't you create an app that goes around them?06:37
phlixiobviously such app would need higher priviliges06:40
Nicd-so Nokia is selling HERE (for over 2 billion less than what they paid for it)06:41
Nicd-I thought HERE made them money06:41
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zuttoit did06:43
zuttotheres some fish buried in this deal06:43
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Pawkyphlixi: yes, you need higher priveliges, then again you do have it on your jolla, thus that cannot be an issue...06:46
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PawkyTemeV: I believe the app is in between your app and whatever system call you do by extending the library.. (you can read about it on his page)..06:47
PawkyBut still, what can an installed android app access in the jolla phone as of today?06:48
TemeVOk, so it is "more than an app"06:49
Pawkyyes...06:49
TemeVYou can restrict its access to phonebook atleast06:49
phlixii guess the proper design would be to have such thing in the compatibility layer, and then in the settings of the app, via settings app => apps06:50
Pawkywhenever an app makes a system call it goes through Xprivacy who in turn will either pass it, deny it or send back random info06:50
PawkyI really like that "random info" feature :-)06:50
Pawkymakes the apps happy, makes me happy :-)06:50
TemeVThough, same restrictions should be possible for native apps also06:51
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stephgr0kk3rz cool thanks, it's intermittent but definitely hardware as it reponds to a squeeze :)07:35
lainwir3dhi everyone07:36
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PawkyTemeV: I believe one could use a similar aproach as Xprivacy limiting what apps can do, by extending the system library. :-)08:07
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pdanek1So painful to wait for news from Intex.08:14
pdanek1Can I freeze myself for 3 months?08:15
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Stskeepspdanek1: you can try, but it may be painful08:16
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pdanek1No pain, no gain.08:17
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ilpianistathere's no way to read application comments without a jolla, correct?09:26
Nicd-correct09:26
pp_easy way at least :-)09:26
ilpianistapp_, go on, I'm interested09:27
pp_https://store-api.jolla.com/ etc. ;)09:27
ilpianistammm09:27
pp_but pretty much you'd need a real phone to figure out what to ask for09:28
pp_+ probably a jolla account to get authenticated09:28
ilpianistaah damn, auth is needed too09:28
ilpianistahope it's plain auth09:28
pp_oauth bearer token last I checked09:29
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ilpianistaand then I need a token...09:29
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ilpianistamaybe I could install the store to the virtualbox image?09:31
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coderusilpianista: you have no store i486 package09:32
pp_you have qemu-arm09:33
coderusand have no jolla ccounts stuff i486 packaged09:33
coderuslol, gl & hf09:33
pp_but probably a pain in the anus + violate some TOS stuff09:33
ilpianistamaybe I should just update my apps description to write that I'm away...09:33
pp_but anyway, if you just want to check comments for one app while you're a way, do it on a phone and mitm/whatnot to get the magic urls, then script them :P09:34
pp_-" "09:34
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ilpianistathe problem is I cannot mitm anything now without a phone :-)09:36
pp_can't help either, my phone is "waiting for parts" for two weeks now :-)09:36
ilpianistastupid me. I knew about this, but did nothing before sending it09:36
pp_I suspect they're out of display modules, and aren't getting more (just sent a query)09:37
ilpianistaah great news, mine is there for the display too09:37
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pp_well, hopefully will get an ETA soon, will share the info :-)09:38
ilpianistathank you09:38
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pdanekIs Sailfish going to have DualSIM support anytime soon?11:35
pdanekThat might be necessity for Indian market.11:35
Yanielask Intex, I suppose they know better11:36
Yanielpretty sure Sailfish is going to get dualsim support when there is a hw partner that wants it11:36
pdanekright11:37
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pdanekSo how do you guys like OnePlus Two?18:38
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coderusI usually do not like or dislike devices i never used myself18:40
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kimmoliwell, i didn't like onePlusOne... fwiw18:42
chem|stuh that looks like a sueable design for apple18:46
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kimmoliround corners?18:47
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chem|sthehe18:48
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pdaneklol18:52
chem|stthey had good translators doing the webpages!18:56
pdanek:D, what?18:58
pdanekMeaning they didn't?18:58
chem|stapart of one error I just found wordplaying and stuff18:59
chem|stnicely done18:59
chem|stbut the phone is huge, if I want a tablet I buy a tablet!18:59
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chem|stbut well, as there is p0rn there is the need of bigger displays19:00
pdanekit's smaller than OnePlus One19:01
pdanekwith same display19:01
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pdanekit can match size of some 5" phones19:01
pdaneknot too bad19:01
pdanekcurved lines, unlike Jolla and very good grippy back19:02
pdanekso holding it won't be any issue19:02
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pdanekand I was always against fingerprint reader until I used no locking mechanism :D19:05
pdanekand until I started to use my phone every minute19:05
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pdaneknow I can really see how even simple password or locking mechanism is eating my time incredibly19:05
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r0kk3rzthe key is to not use your phone so much19:22
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pdanekDo you guys realize that once Sailfish OS will become as popular as Android is.20:02
pdanekIt will likely become a huge company and OS get more bloated too?20:02
pdanekwith more politics and stuff in the company.20:02
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r0kk3rzim not sure anything will become as popular as android is currently20:05
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r0kk3rzmy hope is that we dont have this monopoly on phone operating systems20:06
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pdaneknot necessarily monomoly20:07
pdanekp*20:08
pdanekdue to growth of smartphones in developing countries20:08
pdaneknumber will grow quite a lot20:08
pdanekso it means even if Jolla gets same numbers as Android has now20:08
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pdanekit might be still even share on market20:08
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pdanekIs there any good podcast about Jolla and Sailfish?20:10
pdanekI love to listen podcasts before sleeping.20:10
r0kk3rzyeah but dont forget ubuntu, firefox os, kde plasma, webos, tizen20:12
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r0kk3rzsome of which might grow into significance20:13
pdanekforget webos20:13
pdanektizen: if Samsung wants, they can make it grow20:13
pdanekkde plasma: growth? nah20:14
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pdanekfirefox os definitely, on cheap phones20:14
r0kk3rzremember samsung is rather terrible at software20:14
pdanekUbuntu: definitely, even on expensive phones20:14
pdanekr0kk3rz:  people don't buy good software, people buy what you sell them20:14
r0kk3rzthats not entirely true20:15
pdanekWe have Ubuntu phones and it didn't get much attention yet.20:15
pdanekWe yet have to see is Sailfish will get any on Intex.20:15
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pdanekr0kk3rz: my girlfriend has Samsung and if she looks on other Android.... regardless of the features or better software, she simply doesn't like it because it's different than something she is used to20:16
pdanekthat's how many people think20:16
pdanekthat's why so many stay on Windows XP20:16
r0kk3rzthats because what they have is 'good enough' which is a function of software quality20:17
r0kk3rzandroid has been 'good enough' since ICS20:18
pdanekright20:20
pdanekgood point20:20
pdanekand Tizen might not be20:20
pdanekwell, for the big crowd, Sailfish isn't good enough yet20:20
r0kk3rztouchwiz is arguably the worst part of the a samsung phone, but luckily its only a skin20:20
r0kk3rzimagine a whole os like that20:21
r0kk3rzand thats tizen20:21
pdanek:D20:21
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pdanekr0kk3rz: Do you actually like how Android progresses in UI over the years?20:21
r0kk3rzi didnt really see that much of it20:23
r0kk3rzhad an htc phone with sense20:23
r0kk3rzstarted with froyo, moved to gingerbread shortly after, then used an aftermarket ics rom20:23
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pdanekI just realized20:24
r0kk3rzwhen i use one now it feels all wrong, none of my swipe gestures work, i keep having to stretch to reach to top of this humungous screen20:24
pdanekhaha20:24
pdanekI just realized you missed BlackBerry OS 10 in your list of OSes20:25
pdanek:D20:25
r0kk3rzlike ive been thrown back in time where everything is a button again20:25
r0kk3rznor did i mention microsoft20:25
r0kk3rzthat was deliberate20:25
r0kk3rzi dont really count an os that you can only run on one vendors hardware20:26
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pdanekWindows Phone is on many20:26
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r0kk3rzits mostly on the lumias, and i think a couple of htcs20:27
pdanekSailfish is mostly on Jolla20:27
pdanek:D20:27
pdanekit doesn't mean it can't be on more vendors20:27
pdaneksame goes for Windows20:27
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grzywaczIsn't windows phone officially dead? Now with windows 10?20:28
pdanekOf course not20:28
pdanekthey want to release win 10 version of their mobile os later this year20:28
r0kk3rzwell, whatever they're calling it this week20:28
r0kk3rzbut im sure that windows will have a presence on phones for many years to come20:29
pdanekthat's one of strategies they come with Windows 1020:29
pdanekto make it all work together nicely20:30
r0kk3rzyeah but microsoft have been trying to do that for at least a decade20:30
r0kk3rzmaybe even two decades by now20:30
pdanekI saw those "Windows phone is dead" titles too and the only reason is because Windows 10 for phones isn't released at the same time as desktop OS, people went crazy20:30
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pdanekright20:30
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