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Stskeepsyawn05:48
tadzikyeah...05:49
StskeepsETOOMUCHHEAT05:52
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Stskeepstadzik: you have a weird smell of smoke near you in warsaw too?07:39
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sledgesZucca: contact11:18
sledgeswrong window11:18
sledges:p11:18
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tadzikStskeeps: I don't smell any, but I'm currently about 10kms away from warsaw11:29
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Stskeepstadzik: ah, it was some combo of a major tire fire and small gardens fire11:35
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tadzikoh, exciting11:37
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WntWow! Jolla's product manager says the tablet runs  "...a fully open source code operating system..." (in finnish starting at 4:00) http://down0.80576-down0.dna.qbrick.com/80576-down0/ncode/2015-08-14/Jolla%20S2_360p_7ad665ce.mp412:09
WntI wonder if something is going to really change when compared to the phone's openness12:10
* Stskeeps glares12:10
Stskeepsin what exact finnish terms?12:11
Wnt"Ennenkaikkea tietoturva lähtee siitä, että tämä täysin avoimen lähdekoodin käyttöjärjestelmä, jolloin kuka tahansa voi katselmoida ja verifioida sen..."12:12
Stskeepsfun12:13
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ursand you can see him putting it into reverse landscape orientation12:15
Wntat least with the phone there is no way to inspect and review all the code that you need for a functional device12:15
ShadowJKIf he added a "perustuva" in there somewhere, it would "save" it a bit ;)12:15
ShadowJKOtherwise you'll have to play porrasturvat with him ;-D12:15
StskeepsWnt: hw adaptations will always be a headachw12:16
Stskeepsoses can be open12:16
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Wntthat seems to be the reality now, but it doesn't mean it cannot change in the future12:19
Stskeepsi dont see hw adaptation landscape changing sadly12:20
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Wnthttp://neo900.org hardware with a Nemo Glacier UI would be pretty nice fully open source device12:23
locusfWnt: not 100% though, hw adaptatio is always the problem12:24
locusfWnt: the free'est device I've put Nemo on is Minnowboard Max12:25
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locusfargh repeating Stskeeps again, sorry12:29
Wntlocusf: as far as I have understood the hardware & OS plans for the neo900, it's as open as Neo FreeRunner, which doesn't need any non-opensource software to work12:30
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Wntsure, the modem has some internally stored software, but that's an external part from the rest of the system12:31
locusfyep12:32
locusfI've got calls via serial port interaction with a sim900 gpio extension on rpi212:33
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PaulePanterHi. The current Sailfish version on my Jolla, 1.1.6.27, seems to really have regressions regarding the mobile data connection. Although 3G is shown with 1/3, it does not connect.15:56
PaulePanterThis seems to be a regression in this version. :(15:56
PaulePanterCan somebody verify that?15:57
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knivstais jolla mobile fully open?18:15
stephgknivsta: in a word, no18:16
knivstastephg, What non-free or closed source is it in comparison with Cyanogenmod?18:16
stephgknivsta: what kind of openness is most important to you18:16
stephgknivsta: basically the very bottom and very top of the stack is closed18:17
stephgand the stuff in the middle is entirely open18:18
stephgthe android runtime is also closed18:18
knivstastephg, ok then thanks18:20
knivsta:)18:20
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stephgknivsta oh you've gone18:20
stephgknivsta if you ever come back: http://jollafr.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/oss-vs-nonoss.png18:21
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dv__sigh... even if I unlocked the device before, the touchscreen-remains-locked bug during phone calls remains19:55
dv__I can't hang up if it happens for example19:55
dv__I consider this to be a critical bug19:55
Mikaeladv__: is there together thread or anything about that? I experienced it some days ago19:56
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dv__Mikaela: yeah20:00
dv__https://together.jolla.com/question/63411/bug-touchscreen-not-responding-while-phone-is-ringing/20:00
Mikaelathanks20:00
dv__https://together.jolla.com/question/27179/bug-trying-to-answer-a-call-pulley-menu-cannot-be-pulled-down/20:00
dv__https://together.jolla.com/question/91141/incoming-call-cannot-answer/20:00
dv__I sincerely hope jolla puts this at #1 and focuses on fixing it20:00
dv__I've had serious problems because of it20:01
dv__I briefly looked at the log output over ssh, and it seems that the lock/unlock is done at a lower level20:03
dv__and something is not properly in syn20:03
dv__*sync20:03
MikaelaI haven't had any serious problems yet, but it's likely I will20:03
dv__I missed several important calls, and also had trouble with conference calls that require me to enter a PIN20:04
Stskeepsdv__: usually touch not working is related to proximity sensor somehow20:05
Stskeepssure you're not blocking it by accident?20:05
dv__yes20:05
dv__I moved it well away from my head and tried to touch anything, no reaction20:06
Stskeeps1.1.7?20:06
dv__it would anyway be best if I had an option to completely disable this proximity sensor thing. I never liked them on any phone. I manually shut off the screen.20:06
Stskeepswell, it has some uses, such as giving you much longer battery life through turning off the screen when you are in a call20:07
dv__1.1.6.2720:07
dv__phone says this is the most recent one?20:07
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dv__yes, but as said, I turn off the screen manually anyway20:08
dv__just got used to that after having an s3 in the past, which irritated the hell out of me with its proximity behavior20:09
dv__I've found that proximity sensors tend to not work well when you need to enter PINs for conference calls. the screen randomly shuts off while I am typing.20:09
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spiiroinStskeeps, dv__ : actually in the default settings proximity sensor just does not allow turning display on (and blanks during active call); we had it blocking input for one release and it caused so much problems that it is not used anymore; still whenever there is "touch does not work" the 1st thing to check is still "is it because of ps?"20:25
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kjetilhodv__: you've never hung up by pressing the wrong button with your ear on a phone without proxymity sensor, I take it21:08
kjetilhooh, never mind, you say you always turn off the screen manually.  move on.21:09
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