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tadzikHnm, can I add new calendars to calendar?08:17
tadzikOr import .ics to something else than my Personal?08:17
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tadzikOh, I merely have to add.it to sqlite. How convenient)08:24
Yanieloh the sarcasm08:25
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intewhile does zypper keep asking me for password and login? Cant use it any more08:47
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ggabrieluhm... cryptsetup in mer-tools is rather old09:45
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Mikaelaopenssh also seems a little old, it only supports RSA and DSA keys and DSA keys have been deprecated.12:11
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intethere is a never version of openssh in openrepos i think12:21
intehowever, that version doesnt work with ssh access control from coderus12:21
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intei dont mind using older versions of ssh as long as they are not vulnerable12:21
tigeliMikaela: I will update openssh at somepoint12:21
tigeliinte: yeah.. not known issues with it12:22
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MikaelaI don't have issue with not vulnerable either, but more secure would be also nice12:22
Mikaelatigeli: will Jolla stop generating DSA keys at some point?12:22
Mikaelahttps://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-announce/2015-August/000122.html12:23
tigeliMikaela: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/openssh12:24
Mikaelayou are suggesting me to PR https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/openssh/blob/master/sshd-hostkeys ?12:24
inteMikaela: cant you force the ssh to generate RSA keys?12:25
Mikaelainte: it generates both RSA and DSA and I have manually disabled DSA, but new users will still get it and current users have it12:25
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intei never made up my mind about that issue12:28
inteonly using ssh for sshfs and on my local network12:28
pp_you can also do ed22519 O:)12:29
intehow can i disable dsa?12:29
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pp_https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Guidelines/OpenSSH or whatnot12:29
pp_KexAlgorithms curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha25612:30
pp_Ciphers chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes128-ctr12:30
pp_is what I have, also stops most bruteforce attempts :-)12:30
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Mikaelapp_: Ed25519 is too new for Jolla12:31
Mikaelainte: remove the line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and remove the keys12:31
inteoh12:31
inteok12:31
intewell12:31
intemaybe12:31
Mikaela-s12:32
inteim not in the mood generating new keys and reconfiguring all my computers for them :)12:32
inteat least not now12:32
inteonce when im sleeples i might12:32
Mikaelayou don't have to generate new keys as there is already the RSA key, you only remove the DSA one12:32
Jarealso iirc some of those ciphers aren't available on sfos12:33
Mikaelaand it's keys, not key, because there is private and public key12:33
Jareand that ciphers line will break the sdk compatibility (as will the newer openssh from openrepos by default)12:33
inteJare: oh thanks! I was only wondering why i couldnt connect to my phone through the sdk!!12:34
inteTHATS good news!12:34
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intereverted to the genuine jolla version already for a different reason, but THAT is good to know!!12:35
pp_it falls back to aes256-ctr (and dh-sha256), which works12:40
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zett_zelettIs it common for Jolla support to take 3-4 days to answer?12:47
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Stskeepszett_zelett: it depends on the case and the time of year12:49
zett_zelettThis time of year, cancelling an order.12:49
Mikaelaand "account needs updating" again, this time I did change my password though12:52
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zett_zelettOh, yeah. Great. The order has not been canceled, but shipped. :/13:03
zett_zelett“If you have any questions regarding the shipment, please contact .” :/13:04
zett_zelettI feel trolled by Jolla.13:04
Stskeepscan still return?13:05
zett_zelettI hope.13:06
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ggabrielzett_zelett: I don't know what your experience with online shopping is, but often when a website doesn't have a "cancel" button on the page, the confirmed order gets shipped13:10
ggabrieland even if you do have the cancel button, the window to cancel is very small13:10
ggabrieland ofc you can still return13:10
zett_zelettWell, I asked about updating the order, they said I should just cancel it and replace the order and asked me for a confirmation to cancel the order.13:11
zett_zelettI confirmed (about an hour later), but never heard of them again.13:11
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ggabrielif you explain all that, i'm sure they'll understand and take necessary action13:12
zett_zelettYeah, I hope so.13:12
zett_zelettIf I can still return it without me sitting on any delivery cost, I won’t have a problem with Jolla.13:12
zett_zelett(Otherwise, I’d be slightly pissed. But I hear that Jolla folks are reasonable people. :) )13:14
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coderusinte: i need to make proper plugin someday. current one is very stupid made.13:54
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dr_gogeta86coderus, but scummstopper has a systemd daemon ?13:58
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dr_gogeta86http://sourceforge.net/p/scumstopper/wiki/DaemonMode/14:01
coderusdr_gogeta86: yes14:02
Stskeepszett_zelett: out of curiousity, why did you cancel?14:02
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zett_zelettStskeeps: I wanted to update the order, i.e. to add another accessory, and asked about that. They told me that was impossible, but I could just cancel the order and place a new one.14:04
Stskeepsah14:04
intecoderus: plugin? you mean the access control? I like it though14:07
coderusinte: yes ssh access control. i need to rewrite it as actual pam plgin, not a stupid hack :D14:11
inte:) well it works, nevermind :)14:11
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ShawnMcCoolso, is my jolla phone the only one that is essentially bricked after trying to update today?14:50
ShawnMcCoolwon't boot to recovery mode, just sits there14:51
YanielI'm IRCing from mine just fine14:51
Yanielupdated yesterday14:52
ShawnMcCoolcrap14:52
tadzikupdate would mean rebooting, and I'm not risking that :P14:52
tadziklast time it took me like 10 reboots before the sim card indicator worked again...14:52
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Liekerunning 1.1.7.28, works fine14:53
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knivstahey15:42
knivstais Sailfish OS opensource?15:42
knivstaalso is it full GNU/Linux's ARM version?15:42
Siddeit's not fully open source. the user interface is not15:43
knivstathat sucks totally15:43
Siddebut it's a full gnu/linux install15:43
knivstaok15:43
knivstaWhat is the package manager?15:43
knivstaCan I install apps from your repo using a package manager in terminal?15:43
Siddeknivsta: zypper15:44
Siddeyes15:44
knivstaSidde, awesome15:44
knivstaSidde, is it more secure than Android?15:44
knivstaAlso is root protected by a strong passphrase?15:44
Siddealso pkcon as package manager15:44
Yanielalso drivers are not opensource15:44
knivstaoh15:44
knivstajust sucks15:44
knivstaI wish it was fully opensource15:44
knivstaWhy ain't it opensource?15:45
Yanielfeel free to bug qualcomm15:45
knivstalol no15:45
knivstabut your UI?15:45
knivstaWhy won't  you open it?15:45
knivstayou are selling it with the hardware and earning good?15:45
Siddeknivsta: i think they said they might opensource the ui one day15:45
Coolgeekhttps://sailfishos.org/about/ https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sailfish_Architecture_v0.5.1.png15:46
Siddeknivsta: you don't use root, you use sudo. guessing you're free to use whatever root password you want15:46
Siddeknivsta: and android has android bugs, sailfish has linux bugs. which one is more secure. Don't know...15:47
knivstaok15:47
Siddebut android apps are sandboxed way better than in sailfish15:47
knivstaok15:47
Siddeknivsta: but sailfish is more or less a normal linux system with it's own ui on top of wayland15:48
Siddeknivsta: and like any linux system, some hardware you might use has closed source drivers15:49
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Siddeknivsta: http://linuxg.net/how-to-work-with-repositories-on-jollas-sailfish-os/15:52
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knivstaSidde, ok thanks16:17
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zett_zelettIs there a way to install apps for SailfishOS without creating a Jolla Store account?18:25
zett_zelettLike, downloading the rpm packages and using rpm to install them?18:26
Nicd-you can install any compatible rpm packages18:26
Nicd-with pkcon or zypper18:26
zett_zelettAnd are they available somewhere?18:26
Nicd-openrepos is the biggest software repo18:26
zett_zelettOk, neat.18:26
zett_zelettThanks!18:26
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fluxso what's the number? how many dead devices with the latest upgrade?-)20:57
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Nicd-hehehe21:00
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tigeliflux: I know two and both of them had some shittypackages installed21:02
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fluxdoes the installation btw report that information? seems like it would be useful to know :)21:06
fluxreport back to jolla that is21:06
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tigeliflux: well, the dead devices will not report anything back but we can get a number how many devices have updated.21:09
tigelianyway "adds a feature to enable persistent logging during the upgrade process" was done to get the logs if problems occur21:10
fluxand I suppose you could get the number of devices that have attempted to upgrade as well21:10
tigeliflux: roundabout number, yes.21:11
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pdanekDo you guys think that with Windows 10, Linux desktop users will decrease?22:44
TemeVpdanek: Why would it? Is there really something mind blowing with W10?22:46
TemeVBesides not sucking as much as W822:46
hangman_classicI don't think anyone using linux wan't to go back to windows ...or am I wrong ...22:51
pdanekTemeV: The adoption rate of W10 is very high and after disappointing W8 release, it's getting very positive reviews.22:51
pdanekAnd it will be kind of rolling release too.22:51
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pdanekI don't say Linux desktop is going anywhere, I just think it will stagnate with user base.22:52
pdanekMeaning, it won't attract much new people from Windows world.22:52
pdanekAnd many are moving to OSX as wlel.22:52
pdanekEven Linux users are moving to OSX22:52
TemeVpdanek: well, it is free update and what I hear quite painless one22:53
pdanekhangman_classic: I know many people who got back to Windows after Linux22:53
pdanekand I know many who have dualboot22:53
TemeVpeople tend to move around22:53
hangman_classicWindows10 is free, sure they will get users. but for me it has to much downsides to use everday22:53
TemeVI've changed back and forth between windows and linux in the past22:54
TemeVI think I'll stick with Linux now though22:54
pdanekTemeV: distro?22:54
TemeVFedora22:54
pdanekTry OpenSUSE Leap when it releases in November22:54
pdanekinteresting thing they're doing22:54
TemeVI might22:55
pdanekThey take the base from SUSE Linux Enterprise22:55
pdanekand add newer stuff on top22:55
TemeVthough I'm quite happy with Fedora now so no reason to change22:55
pdaneklike new kernel, Gnome, X, and other software22:55
pdanekI always faced some issues when upgrading Fedora to newer version22:55
pdanekwhich had to be solved, even minor22:56
pdanekOpenSUSE has usually very painless upgrades22:56
TemeVI've heard that fedora updates might cause pain. 21 to 22 went smoothly for me at least22:56
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hangman_classicI don't want to go back to Windows, at least as primary OS. I would miss to may thiny things.22:56
pdanekOpenSUSE Leap will be like blend of Fedora and CentOS22:56
pdanekabout 1200 packages from SUSE Linux Enterprise and the rest from Tumbleweed (Rawhide alternative)22:57
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coderushangman_classic: i switched back to win10 from kubuntu :)22:59
hangman_classicI don't like kubuntu, i switched to debian23:00
coderusi'm not a distro maniac23:02
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coderusi don't care if upstart or systemd23:02
coderusand same for other things23:02
hangman_classicdito23:02
coderusi like how system works in total23:02
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coderusand i'm satsfied a lot how win10 works on my laptop23:04
TemeVpdanek: is there some "what's new in Leap" article somewhere?23:05
TemeVI can't find any.23:05
dunpjust run windows in virtual machine (kvm+qemu)  :)23:05
hangman_classicI installed last week windows7 on my desktop and  I hate it to install all the software ....23:05
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coderusdunp: really? :D23:06
hangman_classicsoftware and drivers .. oke drivers is an other thing on win10, I think they will work more out of the box but installing all the software is the same pain ?23:07
dunpyep :) i running at my laptop and desktop23:07
coderusno, thanks23:07
coderusi need my laptop hardware to work on 100%23:08
dunpi like snapshot and fast resume23:08
coderusand i want 3h battery life, not just 1,523:08
coderusi have ssd, windows loading in 3s without any hibernation23:08
dunpmy laptop lenovo gps, 3g, wifi, smartcard reader works fine :)23:08
coderuslenovo have nice linux support, i know23:09
coderusmine is not a lenovo23:09
coderusstupid optimus23:09
dunpi like linux hibernation and 1TB hard drive..  1 sec to wake up :)23:09
dunpand all tools is open :)23:10
dunpand network is connected..23:10
hangman_classicbesides of graphic adapters i never had any problems with drivers23:10
dunpand dualscreen works just plug monitor to laptop and get more display and vm can run at fullscreen :) at second display :)23:11
hangman_classicdebian jessie is fine, but you ned nonfree firmware23:11
pdanekTemeV: not too much new stuff, but mostly change of OpenSUSE project, going more stable with SUSE Linux Enterprise packages23:11
dunpi like arch linux23:11
coderusyeah, because of nvidia support in linux my laptop can't live 3h like in windows. so :)23:11
dunpin desktop i have own displayadapter for vm :)23:12
hangman_classici know, hybrid graphics under linux ist a thing ....23:12
coderusdunp: vm increasing battery life of course ::)23:14
pdanekTemeV: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap23:14
hangman_classicanyone has a jolla ?23:15
pdanekhangman_classic: everyone here?23:15
hangman_classic:)23:15
TemeVpdanek: thanks23:15
dunpdirect windows eat more :D.. and have full cryppted hard drive too and i can make virtual network test at laptop23:16
dunpi have someting like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37D2bRsthfI23:18
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coderusdunp: this is actually excellent23:37
coderusif ever some guide exists how to setup it from nothing i can try :)23:38
Pebbypdanek: I don't have a jolla.. just watching y'all have fun from over here in the USA :(23:42
hangman_classicbut why ?23:43
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Pebbyhangman_classic: US cell carriers don't support the frequencies of the Jolla hardware (feel free to invert that statement)... so I'd be locked to 2G23:44
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hangman_classicoh, I'm sorry :(23:44
PebbyYeah... who knows, maybe a new piece of hardware will support more frequencies. They're at least testing the waters with the tablet since the campaign ran over here. Not crossing my fingers, but, hey... never know. :)23:45
PebbyStill have my N9 and N900.. just waiting for a replacement23:46
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coderusPebby: check intex hw, maybe more luck23:50
Pebbycoderus: I have been watching.. some interesting stuff going on like https://sailfishos.org/develop/hadk/ (more talk about that in sailfish challen ofc)23:51
PebbyWhen one of my friends decides to ditch a nexus phone I can play with http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/development/rom-sailfish-os-alpha-t2841266 too!23:52
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