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_inte_Tablet shipping today08:23
* _inte_ _HaPpY_ :)08:23
* pahartik accidentally deleted all text messages from/to person, would like to know if there is chance to get them back08:25
_inte_sms?08:27
* pahartik thought that only one message would be deleted but whole tree disappeared08:27
pahartik_inte_: Yes, SMS08:27
_inte_puh dont know08:28
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_inte_had the same problem in whatsup and there it wasnt possible08:28
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pahartik_inte_: Just wondering if they are flagged "deleted" on SQLite database and "purged" from it later08:30
pahartik_inte_: What was annoying is that dialog had just one draft message from yesterday that I wanted to delete, but immediately looked around and whole tree behind it had disappeared without indication of such08:35
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* pahartik also had to "systemctl restart ofono" because yesterday voice call user interface got stuck in strange state, thinking that voice call is on and there was no way in dialog to stop it or initiate another voice call08:45
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lainwir3do/08:56
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chem|stpahartik: recover SMS? not really, you may look into the DB if it is just flagged for deletion but I guess it gets purged09:44
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Stskeepshttp://uk.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-gchq-smurf-hack-smartphones-2015-1009:49
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pahartikchem|st: Acknowledged09:56
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Stskeepsno tablet complaints?10:42
ShadowJKare people getting tablets?10:43
eugenioI thought it was a scam!10:44
StskeepsShadowJK: yes10:46
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eugeniothe thing is that there still aren't any unboxing/mini-review videos of the final version of the tablet10:54
eugeniocome on, I need my virtual tablet fix :)10:54
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_inte_Oct 09, 201510:56
_inte_03:07 pm10:56
_inte_In transit.DPD10:56
_inte_0516, AMSTERDAM (NL)10:56
_inte_Oct 07, 201510:56
_inte_07:30 am10:56
_inte_Order information has been transmitted to DPD.DPD10:56
_inte_why does it take 2 days from helsinki to amsterdam?10:57
_inte_however:10:57
_inte_Oct 10, 201510:57
_inte_07:12 am10:57
_inte_Out for delivery.DPD10:57
_inte_curious :)10:57
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chem|st_inte_: would you mind not pasting everything? I know you are excited but IRC isn't for that11:14
chem|st_inte_: and for the route, the tablets are shipped from HK not FI11:14
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_inte_oh sorry, haven't seen the channel is that busy at present :)11:15
_inte_therefore you complained instantly11:15
_inte_well, almost. 18 Minutes :-)11:16
_inte_sorry just kidding11:16
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chem|st_inte_: nah, just in general, you are filling backlogs with pasting things and that is considered bad in IRC11:35
chem|stno matter if a channel is busy or not11:35
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_inte_true11:58
_inte_but also true: still excited :)11:58
_inte_its out for delivery since 7:12am11:59
_inte_should really be here soon11:59
attah_inte_: on a Saturday?12:00
attahnot bad12:00
_inte_hope so12:00
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pdanekHey sailors,12:34
pdanekAny recent news about Intex?12:34
pdanekSeems too quiet.12:34
taaemhttps://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ under platform and August12:36
taaemdevice adaption for Intex12:36
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taaembut other than that no idea whats going on12:36
taaemalso I would like to know if there are any news on a corporation with fairphone12:36
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_inte_my tracking id says delivered 10 minutes ago but the parcel is not here13:00
_inte_strange13:00
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r0kk3rzyou sure it hasnt been dropped somewhere?13:06
_inte_dont know where...13:08
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_inte_maybe the guy is too lazy to do the electronic booking at every door...13:09
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_inte_of course this dump dpd doesnt have a 24/7 hotline13:13
_inte_i only wonder why they dont ship through DHL13:13
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chem|st_inte_: *sigh* just because DHL is your local branch... this is international shipping from a country on the other side of the globe be glad it does only take 3 days for delivery!13:19
_inte_DHL is LOCAL? are you kidding? :)13:19
_inte_https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHL13:21
_inte_"Das Unternehmen beschäftigt über 480.000 Mitarbeiter in mehr als 220 Ländern und Territorien,[3] ist Weltmarktführer bei Luft- und Seefracht[4] und weltweit das umsatzstärkste Logistikunternehmen"13:22
Siddeinternational shipping can be fun to track. My Jolla phone was sent from Helsinki to Stockholm to central europe. Then back to stockholm and up to the north so i could pick it up :D13:24
attah_inte_: maybe the driver wanted a new tablet?13:24
attah...or it is at some pick-up point?13:25
_inte_ah, got it13:25
_inte_they just put it in the garage13:25
attahlol13:25
_inte_they usually do that when noone is at home13:26
_inte_but im home and even the main entrance door was open13:26
_inte_whatever13:26
_inte_Im off, playing ;)13:26
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Victorhi13:27
_inte_just realized they even sent an email notification about the delivery13:27
_inte_i complained for nothing13:27
_inte_totally :)13:27
_inte_sorry13:27
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Pawky|2having sent my jolla for repairs, i am thinking about installing sailfish upon my nokia N9. Will such an installation also make the N9 also be able to run android apps?13:39
ShadowJKi don't think so13:40
Pawky|2because?13:40
r0kk3rzPawky|2: because it doesnt have dalvik13:41
Siddealien-dalvik is not FOSS13:41
r0kk3rzyou can run angry birds through apkd, but thats about it13:41
Pawky|2wouldn't one be able to rip it out of the original one?13:41
tbrthere are some bits of it that undoubtedly are linked to the device adaptation, so it will fail13:42
r0kk3rzPawky|2: i think people have tried to do just that, but without success13:42
Pawky|2:-(13:42
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Pawky|2a bit strange no one else have been able to create an open source version dalvik thingy... :-/13:43
Siddeyou could probably copy out the binarys and libs if you run the same architecture13:43
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r0kk3rzPawky|2: people are working on it13:46
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Pawky|2jippeee! :-)13:46
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r0kk3rzbut i think the devil is in the details on this one13:47
Pawky|2any webpage?13:47
Pawky|2I wonder what is better... keep the N9 meego, or change to Sailfish... I guess changing will make me have less apps...13:48
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r0kk3rzisnt meego the better os out of the two anyway?13:49
Pawky|2thats what I am wondering...13:49
lainwir3dhey, what kind of fs should I put on my 64Gb sd card for the jolla tablet ? :-/13:50
r0kk3rzi think the n9 sailfish port is a bit old anyway13:50
Pawky|2EXT4 :-)13:50
lainwir3dI don't really want to use fat32 'cause of the 4GB limitation13:50
r0kk3rzbtrfs13:50
Pawky|2nah.13:50
Pawky|2i would go for ext13:51
lainwir3dext4 ? Won't I have trouble with file permissions when used with my linux computer ?13:51
r0kk3rzit was a joke13:51
lainwir3dI don't want to deal with nemo uid / my user uid troubles13:51
lainwir3dbut maybe there is something to do with that13:51
r0kk3rzlainwir3d: isnt f2fs the open-sourcy thing for this situation?13:51
lainwir3dI don't know :-(13:52
lainwir3dmaybe13:52
lainwir3dI'll read about it13:52
Pawky|2what uid troubles?13:52
r0kk3rzi was under the impression thats what it was designed for13:52
lainwir3ddon't know, if jolla creates a directory with uid of nemo user13:52
lainwir3dand that directory in not "other" writable13:52
lainwir3dand the user on my computer doesn't have the same uid13:53
Pawky|2well.. you could always change it right?13:53
lainwir3dyeah13:53
lainwir3dbut that's what I don't want to do13:53
Pawky|2660 or 77013:53
lainwir3dI want to plug it and don't have to worry about file permission13:53
Pawky|2well... go 777 then13:53
lainwir3dyeah,  but what about newly created directories ? :-/13:53
lainwir3dI don't think I can write default permission for the fs without changing the mount options13:54
Pawky|2hmm.. you could set the umask probably13:54
r0kk3rzyou might need to micromanage it a bit, but not overly13:54
Pawky|2you can change to your user in the mount13:54
Pawky|2assuming yuu will mount the card from your pc13:54
r0kk3rzhow often do you create new dirs in the root dir?13:54
lainwir3dor maybe there is an option at the creation of the fs13:54
lainwir3da bit like the "no-journal" option13:54
Pawky|2r0kk3rz: daily? :-)13:55
Pawky|2on a sd card that is..13:55
lainwir3dtrue, I'll probably not swap devices often...13:56
r0kk3rzalternative is to write a small script and put it in the root dir of the sdcard13:56
r0kk3rzso instead of mkdir blah, you use ./sd-mkdir blah13:56
r0kk3rzand it sets perms for you13:56
lainwir3d"tune2fs mount_opts =>Set  a  set  of  default mount options which will be used when the file system is mounted.  "13:58
lainwir3dmaybe that's the way to go13:58
lainwir3dhoping the Jolla and my linux system will honors the default mount options13:58
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taaemPawky|2: for open source dalvik there are some guys working on it on #sailfishos-porters but they have some opengl problems if i remebe14:01
taaem*remember correctly14:01
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r0kk3rztaaem: there is also this project >> https://github.com/shashlik/shashlik14:02
chem|stlainwir3d: why should you have any file permission issues?14:03
taaemr0kk3rz: yeah but dunno how far that project is already matured14:04
lainwir3dchem|st: 'cause you usually get file permission issues when using extX on a removable media14:05
lainwir3dcause the UID of your users are not necessary the same14:05
lainwir3don both devices.14:05
lainwir3dAnd by default on most linux distributions the directories are created with 755 rights14:06
lainwir3dso no writing permissions for the user who did not create the directory14:06
lainwir3dand I don't really want to deal with making sure that all users have the same uids on all my linux computers14:07
lainwir3dor dealing with default umask14:07
lainwir3dIf I can't find a way for ext4 (or something else) to have good default permissions, I'm gonna stick with vfat and forget about > 4GB files14:08
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lainwir3dmaybe exfat actually, but I don't know if the support is good enough yet14:09
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r0kk3rztaaem: the one the guys around here are doing isnt exactly matured either14:13
r0kk3rzlainwir3d: you could always ntfs it14:14
lainwir3dtrue14:14
lainwir3dI should be able to get ntfs-3g on sailfish14:14
lainwir3dmaybe it already is in the repos14:15
r0kk3rznot sure anyones tried, but worth a look in14:15
taaemr0kk3rz: true that, the best option i think would be to enable paid app support and then the users of the ports could buy alien dalvik...14:15
lainwir3dtaaem: nice idea14:15
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r0kk3rztaaem: provided that myriad lets jolla licence dalvik like that14:18
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r0kk3rztaaem: and that dalvik works acceptably on arbitrary ported devices14:18
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taaemr0kk3rz: yeah I don't know how alien dalvik works or how the license looks like14:18
r0kk3rzlainwir3d: now we have usb-otg, might be worth compiling lots of different file system handlers14:19
lainwir3dyeah ! :-)14:19
lainwir3dAnd it actually works14:19
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lainwir3dtried my usb audio headphones on the tablet yesterday14:19
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taaemlainwir3d: shouldn't usb audio be much better quality wise than over the normal headphone jack?14:22
Stskeepsprobably.14:22
Stskeepsor speakers.14:22
r0kk3rzdepends on the usb audio no doubt14:23
lainwir3dtaaem: it should14:23
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r0kk3rzbut since it wont be using the internal DAC, yeah14:23
lainwir3dthe stream is transported numerically14:23
lainwir3dthe analog conversion is done in the headphones14:23
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lainwir3dafter that, the headphones can declare themselves 16bits or 24bits14:24
r0kk3rzalthough you can probably also do crazy things with pulseaudio over wifi14:24
lainwir3dBut I guess both will still be better14:24
taaemAlso could someone now make a dock for it like all these iPhone docks for playing music?14:24
lainwir3dnoticed something weird though. The tablet had troubles getting out of suspends when the usb-audio headphones were plugged in14:25
lainwir3dBut that may be because the headphones were being recharged by the tablet.... lol14:25
r0kk3rzStskeeps: ^^14:26
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lainwir3dalright14:47
lainwir3dI think I found something14:47
lainwir3dusing ext4 + acls14:47
lainwir3dsetfacl -d -m u::rwx,g::rwx,o:rwx /mnt/JollaTablet_SD14:47
lainwir3dthis sets default permission of 777 to the root directory of the SD card14:48
lainwir3dand newly created directories and files use these permissions14:48
lainwir3ddefault ext4 mount options includes support for acl14:49
lainwir3d:-)14:49
Siddesomeone from a +358 just called me. missed the phone call14:54
Siddeany good number service in finland?14:54
lainwir3dAnd it works quite well, just tested it. So I'll keep ext4.14:54
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ninnnuSidde: None that are free, but Fonecta.fi will give you a hint if it's even possible to find out. For full details it requires registration that costs ~0.20€ (one-time fee)14:57
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Siddeninnnu: that sucks. all of the swedish ones are free14:57
ninnnuThere's a law or licensing-issue or something in-between that forbids that stuff from being free.14:58
Siddeninnnu: +35840... seems to be mobile?14:58
ninnnuYeah14:58
Siddesomeone has called me 4 times today, when i call none answers14:58
Siddebut i don't know anyone in finland so it's probably very irrelevant14:59
ninnnuMight be a telemarketeer14:59
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ninnnuAlthough they don't call that often15:00
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pdanektaaem: I don't think Fairphone is good phone for Sailfish15:31
taaempdanek: why you think so?15:31
pdanekthose raised edges above screen surface will make side gestures much more difficult, don't you think so?15:31
taaemoh yeah never thought of that but that could be more difficult15:32
taaemaren't here some people who tried the actual fairphone 2?15:33
taaemsledges: ^15:33
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pdanekThat would be great to hear more about it, I need you sledges! :D15:48
phdeswerIt will just require good tuning of the swipe gesture I think.15:49
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taaemAlso is there any info on a new sailfish device in europe? intex is india only right?15:55
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