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coderusit is refreshed for sure, but cache is stored in different folder dyring system update, not in common one :)07:40
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dummyhi!13:09
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Guest3594im trying to install sailfishos 2.0 alpha3 on xperia pro. how long does the first boot take?13:10
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Guest3594following this http://reviewjolla.blogspot.co.at/2015/07/install-sailfish-os-on-sony-xperia-pro.html step by step but using cm-12.1-20150514-UNOFFICIAL-LegacyXperia-iyokan13:13
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Guest3594now my phone shows a really nice sailfish xperia screen (witch turns on and off again, btw) and im not sure if the first boot just takes a bit longer or if i screwed something up.13:15
Guest3594hope im not spamming13:15
Guest3594:(13:15
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lainwir3dhttps://blog.jolla.com/new-years-greetings-jolla/13:23
lainwir3dnew blog post !13:23
hgewe are happy to say that we will be shipping an additional small batch of the Jolla Tablet to early backers during early 2016, targeting to send invitations during January.13:24
r0kk3rzGuest3594, #sailfishos-porters13:24
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lainwir3d"small batch"13:25
lainwir3dsounds like good whisky / bourbon !13:25
Nicd-so, not everyone gets their tablet13:26
lainwir3d"Jolla Finish Single Malt Whisky - Small Batch Release"13:26
Nicd-but they did not say anything about refunds (maybe not even possible)13:26
Nicd-just some surprise13:26
r0kk3rzNicd-, maybe they recovered the tablets we saw up on taobao13:27
lainwir3d"The bad news here is that we are not able to complete the production to fulfill all contributions. In other words, all of our backers will not get a Jolla Tablet. "13:27
lainwir3dDoes they mean... ever ?13:27
lainwir3dlike not talking about this round, but will never get them ever ever ?13:27
Nicd-r0kk3rz: "In other words, all of our backers will not get a Jolla Tablet. However, you can be sure you will not end up empty handed. We might even have some positive surprises in stock for you."13:27
Nicd-I read that as never ever13:28
Nicd-and also no refunds13:28
lainwir3d:-|13:28
lainwir3ddamn13:28
Nicd-just something to replace the tablet (surprises)13:28
Nicd-but let's wait and see13:28
lainwir3dmakes me sad for the people who still don't have it13:28
r0kk3rzNicd-, oh, i havent read it yet, just thinking about the 'small batch'13:28
* lainwir3d hides13:28
r0kk3rzlainwir3d, also means nobody will support yours with awesome apps13:28
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lainwir3dr0kk3rz: hehe :D13:29
lainwir3ddamn I hope they find a nice solution / alternative13:30
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lainwir3dlike, "you will not get a jolla tablet, but here is the Nokia N1 with sailfish flashed on it"13:30
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r0kk3rzwhats the bet its an intex phone13:30
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pdanekHappy new year!13:30
lainwir3dpdanek: already ? Where're you living ?  D-:13:31
lainwir3dis that even possible ?13:31
pdanekLater i won't have time13:31
lainwir3dhaha ok :)13:31
r0kk3rz lainwir3d east coast australia should be done by now i think13:31
pdanek:D13:31
r0kk3rzor close anyway13:32
lainwir3dalright13:32
pdanekOceania?13:32
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r0kk3rzand japan, thats also in that time region13:33
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FireFlyI know NZ is +12h from me, so they should've had their new year almost 3h ago13:44
citylight2before I try, did anyone try to build the famous media player vlc 3.0 for the jolla?13:44
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Stskeepslainwir3d: ugh, i wouldn't want to touch powervr unless i was paid a lot more for it13:46
tbrcitylight2: your problem will be the lack of UI. why not just replace libav/ffmpeg and gst-ffmpeg?13:46
lainwir3dStskeeps: you mean the Nokia N1 tablet use a powervr gpu ?13:48
Stskeepsyes it does13:48
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lainwir3dwell13:48
lainwir3dthat's quite crappy13:48
lainwir3dwell maybe something more like this then : "We'll send you to space ! With a space rocket ! Running SailfishOS, yes sir !"13:49
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nh1402what's wrong with powervr13:51
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nh1402at one point it had the best mobile GPU13:51
tbrmeh, they are talking about a small batch. but given that they only ever had 64gb models this means I'll never get one, despite being essentially next in line13:51
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tbrbecause I didn't bend over and pay up for 64GB *SIGH*13:51
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tbrthey could respect the listing order and offer people to pay something extra who didn't upgrade to 64 initially13:52
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Stskeepstbr: otoh; weren't the taobao ones 32gb?13:52
tbruh, good question. I don't remember13:53
tbrlet's hope that they recovered those then...13:53
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r0kk3rzping kimmoli15:56
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kimmoliplong r0kk3rz15:58
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r0kk3rzkimmoli, which onda did you get?15:58
kimmoliöö15:58
tbrthe cherry trail based one15:58
tbrwhich you sortakinda can run linux on. At least HDMI should work. internal display might be tricky15:59
kimmolihdmi didnt work with windows16:00
kimmolii managed to get in da-setup by pressing vol keys, would need kbd to tinker more16:01
r0kk3rzoh right, so needs usb-otg + keyboard to really get into16:02
tbrI'd recommend USB-hub. so that you can plug in usb storage too. I bet it can boot from it16:02
kimmolii should have all required cables to test, but not in priority list16:03
tbrgetting more than simple framebuffer out of cherry trail might be tricky, even on hdmi. So far I've mostly seen windows devices with it and heard some rumors about linux being horror due to gpu.16:04
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* tbr played with his USB microscope today and discovered that the focus wheel also switches to a second magnification: http://www.bfst.de/fipix/v/electronics/leds/16:04
kimmoliv820w-ch or something16:05
tbrlast picture is the led from the first picture but on high magnification. the blurry spots is dust or scratches on the surface of the clear LED16:05
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kimmolifokus "wheel" ?16:06
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kimmoliwhich you have?16:07
tbrhttp://www.aliexpress.com/item/USB-8-LED-500X-2MP-Digital-Microscope-Endoscope-Magnifier-Video-Camera-Black-High-Quality-Brand-New/32317158216.html16:07
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kimmoliis it really 2MP?16:08
tbrno, it's just VGA16:08
kimmolisw upscale16:08
tbras you can see from the pictures16:08
kimmoliyeah, same sh!t16:08
kimmolion phone, i cant say from pics16:08
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tbrquality is surprisingly good for $1016:09
kimmolii did lool for real 2MP or more16:09
kimmolibut did give up.16:09
kimmolisome companies sell that for 300€, but i believe it is also vga16:10
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tbrimpossible to find on aliexpress due to all those software scaled "2M" entries :/16:10
tbrfriend of mine is doing a review of usb microscopes soon. Once it comes out, I'll let you know16:10
kimmolii used one with android tablet16:11
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kimmolihad to boot it with camera connected, and it appeared as front camera16:11
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kimmoliyep, it was V820w CH16:21
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friesehttps://blog.jolla.com/new-years-greetings-jolla/ humm, so at least a few tablets will be shipped? hope i'm one of the lucky ones :)16:55
YanielI certainly won't be16:55
Yanielbut I'm curious about those alternatives they are planning16:56
Yanielmaybe vouchers for the rumoured jolla2?16:56
coderusi bet no more jolla devicesss16:56
friesethere are rumours? last i thought jolla was planning to go 100% software and let partners do the hardware16:56
phlixiare you sure it is "rumors" not "wishes"?16:57
tadzikI thought it was a press release16:57
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phlixii bet (short to mid term, if ) no more devices from hjolla16:57
phliximaybe one from intex?16:58
phliximaybe others?16:58
coderusintex is coming for sure16:58
locusffp216:58
Yanielmaybe fp216:58
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phlixii guess no android apps on fp216:59
phlixiexpect maybe apkenv?16:59
coderusall "community ports" can't be counted16:59
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locusfwith krnlyngs "hack" you can16:59
coderusonly intex have known official supported device16:59
locusftrue16:59
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phlixifrom a ui standpoint i like the integration of jolla more than the apkenv version17:03
phlixibut great to see it anyways17:03
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r0kk3rzi wonder if they could pick a generic android tablet of similar specs and do a hardware adaptation for it17:04
r0kk3rzsince obviously the manufacturer has bailed on the pretty custom jolla tablets17:05
phlixibut in the end that is what the jolla tablet is17:07
phlixia generic androif tablet and hardware adaption17:07
phlixithey where keen to update some specs...17:08
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r0kk3rzphlixi, kinda, its got a branded shell and handpicked display + interconnect17:12
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phlixiyes, sure17:13
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phlixibut in the end it was a generic android tablet17:13
r0kk3rzit was ultimately the differences that broke it though17:16
phlixipretty sure, yes17:16
Stskeepsadaptation wasnt a problem, mostly, fwiw17:17
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phlixiand that is sad17:17
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Stskeepsplatform work was by far biggest and then the problems during production17:18
phlixinot that it was no problem, but that those "enhancements" broke it17:18
Stskeepswell, you wouldnt have wanted the old display, tbh17:18
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Stskeepsplus ce/fcc certification always finds problems17:19
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phlixiNOW (yes, afterwards...) i would want the bad display instead of no devoce :-)17:21
kimmolithe display is too good now17:21
Stskeepsi wouldnt even want the old17:22
r0kk3rzStskeeps, was it really that bad?17:22
Stskeepsuhhuh17:22
kimmolinow, just make it dimmer now17:23
kimmolimore dimmable17:23
phlixithat would probably mean that jolla would be in a better overall shape... that was the only reason i igg'ed it in the first place (kinda payed for the sailfish updates...17:23
Stskeepsnot that it matters, but you can get same code for any port17:24
locusfyou really wanted 1.x sfos?17:24
locusfon tablet17:25
phlixii guess nobody wants sf1 on tablet17:25
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dirkvlbut from latest blog and overal impression it seems jolla doesnt even want to be a sw company, but also move to b2b alltogether17:26
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dirkvl*doesn´t even only17:26
Stskeepsphlixi: 1080p was a problem in 1.x too17:26
phlixii dont argue with that Stskeeps :-)17:27
kimmoliit is still problem imho17:27
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locusfwell 1.x was in the same state as glacier is now17:28
kimmolior whatevö larger tablet is17:28
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locusfie. no scaling of anything17:28
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kimmoliHNY17:32
* kimmoli beams to beer17:32
phlixinobody wants sf1.017:32
* Stskeeps wants wine bottle17:32
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* chem|st wants to buy Jollas from Jolla with bitcoin18:19
* chem|st has wine bottle18:20
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HtheBhttp://i.imgur.com/mdDvnDh.jpg19:15
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dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, 5lt is enough19:52
dr_gogeta86?19:53
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