#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2016-01-05

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Lucky_lukewhy we.dont have an.app for viber?01:05
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HtheBLucky_luke: are there any API's available?01:21
HtheBand it's closed source01:21
HtheBJust use Android version01:21
Lucky_lukethey ban me.from.wa01:22
Lucky_lukei.email the support yesterday01:22
Lucky_lukeand.i wait01:22
Lucky_lukei pref to use native apps01:22
Lucky_lukeandroid lag my phone01:22
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andybranson1my jolla is poorly. sometimes the screen won't come on, and the LED flashes cyan.08:30
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stephgandybranson1: cyan not red?08:37
andybranson1yup. cyan.08:37
andybranson1i get red and green too at other times. sometimes it just freezes and i need to pull the battery. sometimes it reboots itself. seems like that power glitch thing, but the eraser and paper tricks haven't worked.08:39
cehtehsounds like you want to send it in for repairs08:40
andybranson1it is more than two years old now though08:40
andybranson1and i may or may not have got some ketchup down the side of the power button, which may now have gone a bit squishy :)08:42
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cehtehhow self repairable is the jolla?09:04
cehtehi mean as in cleaning ketchup09:05
* Stskeeps twitches09:05
chem|stcehteh: most contact issues should be self repairable'ish09:05
cehtehmine is new, havent disassebled it yet09:05
cehtehcomparable to the n900?09:05
chem|stcehteh: and you should not void your warranty09:05
cehtehi dont want to09:05
chem|stcehteh: there are no spare parts available09:06
cehtehbut i am planning to use it for longer time than the warranty lasts, so eventually i may need to fix things09:06
cehtehah09:06
cehtehwell lets hope it will last 4 years and then an 'offically' supported fairphone with SFOS will be available for 300Eur ... *dream* :D09:07
chem|stcehteh: so the usual stuff you break like display are nonreplacable and sending it to optima will buy you a new phone (or close to it)09:07
chem|stcehteh: I make sure my devices last without repairs, both n900 and n9 are functional, even the batteries are still not that bad09:09
cehtehmy n900 broke its usb port09:09
cehtehmaybe fixable with some efforts09:09
chem|stwell that is solderable by hand09:09
cehtehbut i dont want to, it was nice for its time but never had enough horespower esp enough ram09:10
chem|stgot lucky on that part09:10
cehtehi liked it, it worked, but it was always a bit sluggish09:10
chem|stcehteh: there is no such thing as enough ram (writing this sitting in front of a black beauty with 48GB...)09:11
cehtehhaha09:11
cehtehthere is a thing like 'waaaay to low ram'...  n900 was that09:11
cehtehwith 512MB or 1GB it should have been much much better even with the slow cpu09:12
cehtehjolla is okish, of course more ram would be nicer09:13
cehtehn900 was just not enough right from the start09:13
kimmolihttp://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/538/Technologically-Impaired-Duck-Where-can-I-download--More-RAM8.jpg09:14
cehtehkimmoli: zram/zswap :)09:15
cehteh(jolla uses that iirc)09:15
cehtehhey you could remote mount some S3 storage and swap onto that :D09:15
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narchi4when vat payment09:31
narchi4og....09:31
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tiwakenot able to fill all tablet backers?09:36
tiwakeI was rather looking forward to my first tablet09:37
tiwakethough I suppose something else like a badass lintex cellphone would be nice too, with sailfishOS09:38
tiwakeerm09:39
tiwakeintex09:39
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Antoninohi all guys!!10:51
Antoninoi want to ask you something to see if you can help me. There is something i don't like in SF menu, the scroll that is like full app view rows, i want to know if i can make it just like a scroll10:52
Antoninoi don't if i cleared the point10:53
coderusmm no, i dont get :D10:54
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jaacoppiAntonino: you want to scroll one row of apps at a time, not one screen of apps at a time?11:09
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Antoninoyup11:13
Antoninosomething like mmmmm windows phone11:13
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corvinuxHi, I'm very interested, what (IF anything),  would come from the  deal Jolla made  with SSH .com11:21
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Antoninoso? it isn't possible?11:51
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tillAntonino try the "launcher combined patch" and enable "scroll without pages" in the new settings item12:01
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JollaSailor_Simothanks12:09
JollaSailor_Simoi will find the launcher on wharehouse?12:09
tillthe patch yes12:10
tillhttps://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-launcher-combined-patch12:10
JollaSailor_Simoit fail the installation12:15
JollaSailor_Simommm maybe i have to add the repository12:15
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* Morpog wonders what happened to that imminent sailfishos update....14:44
tbrobviously it will come soon™14:45
SmarI guess work resumes after holidays :P14:45
Morpogsoon :D14:46
Stskeepsi think it got delayed by yet-another-libpng-exploit14:46
Smarunfortunate14:48
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MorpogI don't think you should postpone releases because of security risks. Nobody is going to attack such a small devicebase.15:34
MorpogLots of Android devices never get any updates at all.15:35
Smarwhat was one branch of jolla, ”Jolla Secure (By Being Small OS)”... ;)15:36
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Morpogwell, a branch which we cannot use on our devices :D15:40
Smarif the core OS is broken, I wouldn’t dare to call anything built on top of it ”secure” :P15:40
Morpogwell, no one forces them to release that branch without the updates15:41
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Smarwell, easier to maintain only one branch than two branches, especially with jolla’s resources15:44
Smarso I’d guess they don’t really backport everything to that ”branch”?15:44
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MorpogBut they still can tag on a release of the branch, no need to wait for the latest one15:47
SmarI’d still rather release something that’s not known to be insecure if I wanted to give any kind of impression of caring about what I sell to my customers15:48
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juicemehiya!17:53
juicemeHas anybody been trying to use BTLE devices on Jolla?17:54
juicemeI recently got a HRM belt thingy (made by MagellanGPS) and I'd like to integrate that to my system.17:55
juicemeI installed noble (https://github.com/sandeepmistry/noble) and did some experimenting.17:56
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juicemeit sems I can detect the device correctly when I do a LE scan, but cannot connect17:56
Stskeepsjuiceme: @javispedro did17:57
juicemeso I'm just wondering if I am doing it right... I am somewhat new to Bluetooth LE17:57
juicemeStskeeps, yes, I looked over his post where he mentioned noble17:57
juicemethat's why I started trying it with noble first17:57
juicemeas I already had nodejs on my device17:58
juicemeMy thought was to make a small jodejs script to connect and present the HRM data in a local socket17:59
juicemes/jodejs/nodejs/17:59
juicemethat way is could be easily used in a qt client :)18:00
juicemeso any pointers...?18:00
juicemewhat I get when scanning is:18:00
juiceme[root@Jolla examples]# node advertisement-discovery.js18:01
juicemeperipheral discovered (eca6b680cd95 with address <ec:a6:b6:80:cd:95, random>, connectable true, RSSI -70:18:01
juicemehello my local name is:18:01
juicemeHRM (Ver0.4)18:01
juicemecan I interest you in any of the following advertised services:18:01
juiceme["180d"]18:01
juicemeso clearly the device is offering service 180d which most probably is the heartbeat monitoring18:01
juicemehowever, I cannot connect to that service, the device stays in unconnected mode18:02
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friesehttp://intex.in/intex-sailfish-os/ strange... does that facebook screenshot look a bit like iOS to you too?18:50
Nicd-well seeing that Sailfish does not have a working Facebook app... :P18:51
friesetrue, but doesn't the android app work on sailfish (like whatsapp too)?18:52
tadzikit doesn't18:52
tadzik?18:52
tadzikFacebook Lite works18:52
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friesefacebook lite = website? the website would surely work on jolla too, theres no (at least official) dedicated app though18:52
friesejust something i pondered onto while searching for info on the intex device - though not quite sure if i'll upgrade my jolla anytime soon18:53
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coderusfriese: there are no screenshots on real device18:55
coderusjust random pictures18:55
frieseyeah sure, i get that, just thought it may be more fitting to show the version of an app that could actually work (at least if intex phone gets android support)18:56
Stskeepsfriese: intex has their own marketing18:56
coderusfriese: oh dear, this page looks good enough, you didnt seen initial version with so ugly pictures :D18:57
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ppmarketing dept loves photoshop18:57
frieseyeah, it's the first time im actually looking into intex tbh18:58
friesei know, i know... company i work for once did an android app and printed a big app framing the app screenshot with an ipad....18:58
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friesejust find it funny sometimes ;)18:59
coderusbtw, webarchive gives ssl error for you too?18:59
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TemeVwell, it's marketing. Seems to be all lies to me18:59
TemeVno matter what is the product19:00
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friesecoderus: actually, no, working perfectly fine, only snapshot i get though is from 10.12.2015 (and the site looked exactly the same back then)19:01
friesehttps://web.archive.org/web/20151210212422/http://intex.in/intex-sailfish-os/19:01
coderushm, i'm getting ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR on all my browsers, wtf19:02
TemeVworks for me too19:02
frieseStrange... you getting that when acessing archive.org or is that the content of the frame?19:02
frieselooks fine to me though, opera/chrome/firefox/curl all working (on latest archlinux x64)19:03
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friesesomething special about your network? ssl proxy or sth. like that?19:04
frieseor (damn, i looked days into that) accessing http over port 443 / https over port 80?19:05
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friesehumm, anyone knows about the rumours the intex sailfish phone is based on the intex cloud flash? looking into it's specs, looking pretty decent (amoled ftw!!)19:07
Nicd-there are only rumors19:08
frieseyeah, no denials though, so my hopes not crushed (yet) ;)19:09
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frieseawh damn... now i'm hoping its not the cloud flash though (at least not its SoC) - not really a Fan of MediaTek...19:12
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friesewell anyway, gotta go now...19:15
frieseonly way to be for sure is to wait until its out anyway...19:15
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HarhaanJohtajahttp://i.imgur.com/hPsyYyG.gif this should be the intex device but you can't see much19:29
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kimmolihttp://is13.snstatic.fi/img/658/1437022117874.jpg19:34
kimmoliwhat is this thing?19:34
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kimmolisorry, old proto19:35
laxtloTuleva aqua varmaan19:36
laxtloJa edelleen jos tollasilla spekseillä mitä leakattiin niin huuto naurua saa vetää19:37
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phlixithe picture below "Up next is live multitasking" is quite badly shopped... however not the jolla phone19:40
phlixi...but19:40
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phlixithe picture below "Up next is live multitasking" is obviously a Jolla Phone19:40
phlixi...below "Sailfish : A step above" ...19:41
phlixibut both miss the status bar at top19:41
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frieseyup, maybe with much fantasy that photoshoped rendering of an phone has some similarities to the pictures on http://www.intex.in/cloud-flash/19:41
frieseyup, looking like sfos1 screens to me too19:42
kimmolihttp://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/62415017.jpg19:42
frieseClock app too, it's been reduced to 1 Quick Action Icon in SFOS 2.019:42
phlixiand buttons at bottom19:43
phlixi^^19:43
friesenow you're saying it, yeah... well thats clearly too obvious to me19:44
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friesebtw, anyone else rocking their snow white toh/ambience today? fitting the weather here in germany quite nicely19:45
Nicd-well my tohkbd is slowly turning snow white from the corners...19:45
friesehumm, my tohkbd is mostly sitting in the drawer these days, don't really like the feel of that 3d printing and the keys are a bit stiff for my taste19:46
phlixisince it took so long until the TOHKBD2 came (no offense!) i was used to virtual keyboard so much that i do not use it... since then, always black :D19:46
Nicd-I use it all the time19:46
friesenice layout though, i often take it with me for travelling when i don't wanna lug around my laptop and still have a practical ssh terminal available19:47
phlixiyes19:47
phlixibut "normal" dayly use i do not carry the bulky thing around^^19:47
frieseregular jolla tohs are quite nice to touch i think, got the whole pack (well, except for the angry bird one...)19:48
phlixihowever, if the intex thingy has amoled that would be great (imho) i miss the billboard from n919:48
Nicd-I was supposed to sell my tohs to someone here19:48
Nicd-don't remember who19:48
Nicd-but they stopped responding :(19:49
phlixi...i dont mind color acuracy at all ^^19:49
friesethought about getting one of those lastucase covers with flip-style display cover, but think it's too late for that, my jolla took some pretty nasty scratches and falls the last 2 years...19:49
frieseNicd-: whatcha' got?19:49
Nicd-white and black19:50
Nicd-first one too but I don't know if I wanna sell it19:50
frieseaw damn, exactly the one's im already having double as well...19:50
friesegot the limited one also, though i'm keeping that in mint condition, i think i wore it just once19:52
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friesekinda got used to that toh-thing though... i can remember my school buddies all swapping their nokia phone covers while i had my palm treo without any swappable covers and never getting the craze19:53
friesenow that everyone's got a black or white phone im changing my toh's almost daily19:53
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friesetimes change i guess19:53
Nicd-I would have changed my tohs if it would have also activated a custom ambience19:55
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Nicd-but that never happened so they were useless for me19:55
phlixii think exactly as 20 years ago that those covers are crap... just bought it to keep jolla alive19:56
phlixiof course functionality is another thing, but the green cover of ma 5130 never had fuctionality besides color :)19:56
* kimmoli <3 my wallnut toholed19:57
friesehumm, surprisingly though i'm a big toh fan i'm not changing ambiences that often - basically togglinh between the cutdown version of kde's breeze default wallpaper and some nice picture of the mer icon on a nice little jolla boat with the sailfish poking out of the water, god knows where i got that from, been my go-to picture since my first day with jolla19:58
friesetoholed, nice :) thought about that too, though i'm a big fan of the kelo wood19:58
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Nicd-I would have loved to change background and ringtone to suit my mood20:02
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Sailor5958hi20:03
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kimmolicoderus: silver is not shame21:15
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Milo-beautiful game21:17
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ppkimmoli: :D21:20
locusfhahahahha21:20
locusfkimmoli twist the knife some more lol21:21
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Milo-poor swedes though. 3-8 against usa.21:46
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