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citylight2news?09:27
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chem|stcitylight2: soon!09:30
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tortoisedocchem|st : tm10:28
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Stskeepshttp://blog.qt.io/blog/2016/01/13/new-agreement-with-the-kde-free-qt-foundation/11:26
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Scelt_Stskeeps: TL;DR?11:26
StskeepsScelt_: LGPLv3 all the thigs11:27
Stskeepsng11:27
Scelt_booyah11:27
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chem|stStskeeps: Jolla should read the first 2 paragraphs to start with^^11:36
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Stskeepschem|st: so, send to /dev/null?11:37
Stskeeps:P11:37
chem|stexactly11:38
chem|stand from the looks of it linux foundation has other interests than free open source software11:38
chem|stI followed their announcements for the last 5 years and my 1+1 says they are hindering the "free" to evolve while really trying to stay best friends with the open source community11:40
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citylight2is jolla planing to appear at FOSDEM?12:04
Stskeepscitylight2: doubt it, none of the fosdem regulars are really there and i'm speaking not about jolla but about my own personal project12:05
citylight2I think that last year, there was a jolla dinner - right?12:06
Stskeepsyeah12:06
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sunweaverHi all!12:07
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sunweaverI anything wrong with Jolla's Paypal account?12:07
sunweaverI cannot checkout an order of a phone with paying through Paypal.12:08
sunweaverAnyone who can give some feedback on this?12:08
sunweaverI get: "This recipient is currently unable to receive money."12:08
sunweaverYour purchase couldn't be completed12:08
sunweaverThere's a problem with the merchant's PayPal account. Please try again later.12:08
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chem|stYEAH PayPal blocked the Jolla account^^12:11
chem|stsunweaver: no other payment option?12:13
Stskeepssunweaver: contact care12:14
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sunweaverStskeeps: ok, will do.12:21
RaYmAnpresumably enough people went and disputed that they locked it down =P12:23
StskeepsRaYmAn: i think the indiegogo and finland one is two different things AFAIK..12:24
RaYmAnah12:25
Stskeepsor at least i'd hope so12:25
sunweaverStskeeps: care@jolla.com?12:26
sunweaverOr is there a contact form?12:27
Nicd-sunweaver: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us12:27
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PaulePanterHi. Any idea, when the next SailfishOS version will be available for the Jolla phone?12:31
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sunweaverNicd-: Stskeeps: thanks, request submitted.12:34
sharpneliUnfortunately I paid for my Jolla Tablet with a credit card12:35
sharpneliCannot do a chargeback anymore12:35
Stskeepssharpneli: preorder or IGG/12:35
Stskeeps?12:35
sharpneliStskeeps: IGG12:35
Stskeepsah, well, yeah12:35
sharpneliStskeeps: Amongst the very first. I got the cheapest option.12:35
sharpneliAh well. Next time I'm gonna just use paypal for anything like that.12:36
Stskeepsusing paypal for crowdfunding is just immoral :P12:36
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sharpneliGetting investment and saying "sorry for your loss" is also immoral.12:37
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sharpneliWith bankrupcy I would've understood. But not the kind of "Yeah we spent your money on something else and now we got more money and are gonna spend it on something else too, hahahaa!"12:37
Nicd-sharpneli: don't worry, you're getting a "surprise! :)12:37
Nicd-"surprise"12:37
PaulePanterWhere is the announcement that the Tablet has been cancelled?12:38
Nicd-PaulePanter: in their latest blog they said not everyone will get a tablet12:38
Stskeepssharpneli: probably true12:38
Nicd-and they will soonish send a small batch12:38
Stskeepsi think it's a bit more nuanced than that12:38
Stskeeps:P12:38
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sharpneliPaulePanter: https://blog.jolla.com/new-years-greetings-jolla/12:39
Hartziothers will get a refund?12:39
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sharpneliPaulePanter: "In other words, all of our backers will not get a Jolla Tablet"12:39
ln-Hartzi: where would the money come from?12:39
sharpneliNope12:39
sharpneliNo refund. Nothing.12:39
sharpneliThe money is just gone.12:39
PaulePantersharpneli: Thanks.12:39
Stskeepsit doesn't exclude the possibility of a refund, IMHO12:39
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PaulePanterI didn’t expect that.12:39
Stskeepsthat blog post is just really terribly written12:40
HartziLuckily I got a tablet :P It's sad that there won't be more tablets. It's very promising product imho.12:41
ln-I paid the tax in october (with a credit card), i'll soon need to ask for a refund on that unless something happens.12:41
sharpneliI wonder how they selected the ones who got the tablet12:41
sharpneliAs I was one of the first orderers but missed out on it12:42
StskeepsHartzi: as the first person who had the tablet on my desk and got sailfish on it, it's sad how things turned out12:42
Stskeepsseeing sailfish in 2K is just <312:42
Hartziyeah12:42
Hartzisharpneli: I think I was among in the first 50.12:43
Stskeepsanyway, i'd wait for more communication since obviously the current info isn't sufficient12:43
Stskeeps:P12:43
sharpneliSure. I've already accepted the money as a total loss. It's rather small amount in the end. One wild night at a pub.12:44
locusf4k sfos anyone ?12:44
locusfhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pine64/pine-a64-first-15-64-bit-single-board-super-comput12:44
Bysmyyrsharpneli: I think they have send only 64g versions and maybe in badge ggc order12:44
Bysmyyricc*12:44
locusfor http://www.up-board.org/12:45
locusfup is more likely as x86 is already supported12:45
sharpneliBysmyyr: I took the 64G upgrade.12:46
locusfand it could probably done wiht mesa12:46
Bysmyyrsharpneli: then no idea :P12:46
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sunweaverStskeeps: I just got feedback from care about the Paypal block.13:05
sunweaverI guess, most of us are also aware of the Paypal issue in the Neo900 project: http://neo900.org/news/paypal-trouble-delays-project13:05
sunweaverBitcoins, SEPA, direct VISA payments, whatever...13:06
sunweaverBut not Paypal. Not worth a minute in communicating with them, I fear.13:06
Stskeepsnod13:06
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sunweaverAnyone here who can explain, why money transfer from Finnish banks only is supported? Why not SEPA?13:07
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Aciidsunweaver: SEPA contains fees and it's slow16:36
tbrSEPA by EU law has a maximum runtime and the fee is capped to the same level as a national transfer16:40
tbrfees come into play if the currency isn't EUR, but those are related to conversion16:40
tbralso in finland you can't do non-SEPA bank transfers anymore, even within the country16:41
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merlin1991so my jolla decided it's 2016.01.10T18:33+2:0017:00
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merlin1991how do I get it to autosync the time again?17:00
merlin1991afaik conman is responsible for ntp fun17:00
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chem|sttbr: iirc SEPA gone monopoly for everyone now21:14
tbrit's not a monopoly as it's not a company. it's a system. But yes, I think most EU countries + x should be SEPA by now21:23
tbrAs of July 2015, SEPA consists of the 28 member states of the European Union, the four member states of the European Free Trade Association (Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland), Andorra, Monaco and San Marino.[2]21:24
chem|sttbr: at least my bank wrote something about it becoming the sole system by january21:25
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M4rtinKthe Scottish Environment Protection Agency does have its tendrils everywhere...21:25
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chem|st:D21:26
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