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citylight2did anyone get exfat to work on jolla?12:27
stephgcitylight2: there is a package for it in openrepos? may be fuse, don't remember12:29
citylight2are you using it?12:29
stephgnope12:29
stephgdon't believe in it. Have no windows so ext4 is fine for me :)12:29
mornfalland, more of 'no news'12:31
citylight2other issue, the famous android app waze fails due to not finding gps12:32
kjetilhoit works for me12:33
kjetilhobut I don't think it can access coarse location based on non-gps data (just guessing)12:34
mornfallcitylight2: you may need to run a native app which uses the gps12:35
mornfallandroid gps never really worked any other way for me12:35
ggabrieluhm... HERE for android switches on sfos's gps no problem12:36
ggabrielstephg: so you believe that not believing may make exfat disappear? :P12:36
mornfallggabriel: switch on, yes, but any time the app disappears from the display it loses fix12:36
mornfalleven if it's just the screensaver kicking in12:37
mornfalland it does take a while to get a fix, so overall it seems like the gps is broken12:37
ggabrielmornfall: oh, ok, makes sense - didn't test that use case12:37
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citylight2kjetilho which waze version works?12:40
kjetilho3.9.9.0 it seems12:41
kjetilhoinstalled via Aptoide12:42
citylight2thanks12:42
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citylight2I am also seeking for an app like owntracks that send my location to a mqtt broker12:42
citylight2so my home computer can heat the huose when I leave work12:43
citylight2owntracks requires google services12:43
tbrshould be trivial to do. A patch for IPHB is in my fork of the apache paho python library.12:43
citylight2is anyone here using mqtt? I am not familier with QT, so I can't do the app UI, but I can do the service code in python12:45
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* tbr is using mqtt12:50
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tbrin the other direction, to push messages to my jolla in real time12:50
tbrworks very well for over a year now12:51
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citylight2is there a fast way to get  a UI on jolla suing python?12:53
Yaniel^PyOtherSide?12:54
Yaniel^it's even allowed in harbour IIRC12:54
citylight2thanks12:54
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citylight2I saw two option to load exfat on jolla, one is fuse12:57
citylight2which is recommended to work?12:58
lainwir3dfuse "module" will probably be heavier12:58
lainwir3dbut easier to get working12:58
lainwir3dand yeah, pyotherside is allowed in harbour, my calculator app is using it12:59
citylight2please share link to code for this calc so I may see how12:59
lainwir3dcitylight2: https://github.com/lainwir3d/sailfish-rpn-calculator13:00
citylight2thanks13:00
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citylight2oh ya, I was also looking for an app to silence the ringing of the phone when I am in a meeting them resume the ringing13:22
lainwir3dlook at "Situations" app13:23
lainwir3dnot sure it's what you're looking for13:23
citylight2they do not do calender13:24
lainwir3doh :-(13:24
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sharixUser-Agent: Telepathy-Rakia/0.7.4 sofia-sip/1.12.11, SDP m=audio 0 ???16:35
sharixCan't establish RTP with tlepathy-rakia.16:36
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sharixThe phone "rings" (with dark display and without ringtone, but I get the voicecall-ui to answer)16:36
sharixAfter answering, the connection drops (RTP doesn't settle) because in the SDP, JollaPhone doesn't offer any audio codec16:37
sharixHints?16:37
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tbrsharix: I'd try by not restricting codecs on the server side.16:47
sharixtbr: Thanks, added gsm to 711a+u+722, to no avail16:47
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sharixI guess, I'm missing some package on the phone, and sofiasif doesn't detect available codecs.16:49
sharixThe SDP doesn't offer a codec, which is the cause of the problem16:50
tbrthere is a together item that names packages16:50
sharixBtw, who has decided the world needs "mc-tool"??? What about good old config files? Gish, this is all so undocumented...16:51
tbrgo complain to the telepathy developers16:52
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Yanielwhile we are at it, let me tell you about our new overlord, systemd16:52
lainwir3dPraise systemd !16:52
tbrI for one welcome…16:52
sharixtbr: I used that, but it's only sofiasip and telepathy-rakia listed :-( Probably this is outdated?!16:52
tbrsharix: that is probably correct16:53
tbrI last time tried on 1.716:54
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tbrI'd concentrate on your server16:56
sharixtbr: These days, jolla-settgins-account-extension-sip (or the like) makes things even mor complicated, since it brings singnond into the game16:56
sharixpassword isn't stored in the sofiasip settings anymore, it somehow intercommunicates with this strange account frameword16:56
sharixStrange to me!16:57
sharixAt least...16:57
tbrhttps://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/?answer=60650#post-id-60650 - that lists codecs16:57
sharixtbr: Thanks, I saw that, but the opst is 1Β½years old. My SDP looks different. I'm havig various SIP clients (even my old Nokia E7) running here without problems.16:59
tbrnothing has changed. I'm rather sure16:59
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sharixI do have some locally uncommon settings, e.g. account-name != auth-name17:00
sharixtbr: I'll look at different places if yoU#r confident that nothing changed regarding sofiasip integration17:01
sharixCan anyone confirm SIP is working on his Saimaa? At least answering calls?17:01
tbronce I get home I could check if my other jolla is up to date and try sip on that17:02
sharixtbr: You'd do me a big favour! I need to get SIP working in order to retire my E7. Reading websites on E7 isn't that fun tehes days ;-)17:03
tbr"working". I expect that you still need to hold the phone upside down.17:04
sharixSorry, I don't get it?17:05
sharixto name the correct SIP-settings-UI which appeared additionally to the packages listed in th together-link:17:08
sharixjolla-settings-accounts-extensions-sip17:08
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tbrI've never seen that work. last time I checked it had a version mismatch17:14
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tbrsharix: it used to be that you had to hold the phone upside down due to missing audio routing17:15
sharixtbr: accounts-extensions-sip is confusing account-name and user-auth names, but it was valuable for me to get more info about sofiasip options – still quicker to install and mc-tool dump intead of fetching and reading code ;-)17:17
Stskeepstbr: O_o17:17
tbrStskeeps: you had to hack alsa or pulse settings first for that too17:17
tbrotherwise only one direction would work17:18
sharixtbr: What's the result if I turn it upside down? Some kind of mic/speaker swicht?17:18
tbrwith the hack you get audio on the speaker and mic is only taken from the top mic17:18
* Stskeeps just hopes the @$@$@ ui gets oss'ed sooner or later..17:18
Stskeeps:P17:18
sharixoic17:18
* tbr doesn't expect that to happen anytime soon - is a realist17:18
Stskeepsyeah.. better first to be happy when it happens instead of hoping17:19
Stskeepsit's a bit like teenage love17:19
Stskeeps:P17:19
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sharixSlightly different question: Is anyone aware of "Emoji" extensions for JP? I mean smilieys as picons. Saw that they/some are unicode registered?!?17:26
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sharixI never thought about such things, I'm the nerd, but others have such things on other phones....17:27
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phlixi_oi just know that i regularly get emails from my sister which i have to have a look on my pc, because they only consiost of a single character17:27
Stskeepsas long as it's not the firefox os emojis, which scare the living hell out ofm e..17:27
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Stskeepshttps://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2015/09/firefox-os-emoji/17:28
phlixi_o...the jolla displays a box (like broken char, missing font whatever) and in thunderbird ill see its a thumbsup or thumbs down17:28
phlixi_oπŸ‘17:29
phlixi_oeven mirc is capable of displaying that :D17:29
Nicd-you can install the emoji keyboard from openrepos17:30
Nicd-it will add support for most emoji17:30
phlixi_oand that will bring font suport for unicode?17:30
sharixXchat isn't :-( But that's xchat I compiled 5 years ago...17:30
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Nicd-phlixi_o: for the emoji at least17:30
Nicd-there is already unicode support, just that the font does not have glyphs for all characters17:30
phlixi_oi would only need the font support, no need for fiddling around with my keyboard^^17:31
phlixi_obut i will have a look at it, thanks for the idea Nicd-17:31
Nicd-what I use is "The Emoji Keyboard" by Penguin17:31
Nicd-you don't have to use the emoji keyboard itself, it will be added as one option in the keyboard language selector17:31
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sharixNicd-: Thanks, but I'm scared it interferes with hardware keyboard support or different layouts. Hesitated trying, becuase time is so limited ;-(17:31
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phlixi_ohttps://openrepos.net/content/penguin/emoji-keyboard17:31
Nicd-sharix: I have the TOHKBD and it does not affect it17:32
phlixi_oill have a tohkb2 too (ok, i am no longer using it^^)17:32
Raimthat only allows typing emojis, it does not change the way they are displayed17:32
Nicd-phlixi_o: that's the one17:32
phlixi_oRaim thanks17:32
Nicd-Raim: it does17:32
phlixi_othen i dont need it17:32
phlixi_o:sadface:17:32
Nicd-Raim: "emoji font including full set of iOS 5+ and Whatsapp Emoji characters"17:33
RaimNicd-: okay, I just checked it actually installs /usr/share/fonts/custom/SailfishEmoji.otf17:33
* phlixi_o longer sad17:33
Nicd-don't speak if you don't know what you are talking about ;)17:33
* phlixi_o NO longer sad17:33
phlixi_o:)17:33
RaimNicd-: well, stuff like that should be in a separate package IMHO.17:33
Nicd-that is a fair point17:34
Nicd-personally I don't care17:34
Nicd-phlixi_o: note: "Does not support new iOS 8.3 Emoji"17:34
Nicd-I think that means Unicode 8.0 emoji17:34
phlixi_oif it improves my dayly live in that i have less emails where i have to check the content on a different device, then thats an improvement :-)17:35
sharixHave these extra characters been used in SMS-apps on other phones? I guess it was more a multu-character-match-translation of these messenger apps17:35
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Nicd-sharix: all modern mobile OSes use these new Unicode emoji17:36
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Nicd-so iOS, Android and WP17:36
Nicd-also OS X has emoji input17:36
phlixi_oπŸ‘17:36
phlixi_mmeh17:36
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sharixNicd-: Thanks, always happy learning news :-) I thought it's been just a translation behind the scenes17:37
sharixIs SMS unicode aware?17:37
Tegu<U+1F44D>17:38
Nicd-sharix: I think all modern phones should be able to read unicode SMS (don't know what charset they use, probably UTF-8)17:38
Nicd-but note that you will be able to fit less characters since they take multiple bytes17:38
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Nicd-an emoji is usually 4 bytes (UTF-8)17:38
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phlixi_oi remember reading about that in connection with the patch to display remaining chars in the sms you currently type17:39
sharixhttp://apps.timwhitlock.info/emoji/tables/unicode17:40
sharixNice vendor overview. Just missing since when... I completeley missed that17:40
EyEaJolla )01!@ )0117:40
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phlixi_owow17:46
phlixi_oi think i am stuck in the emoji keyboard17:47
Stskeepsnow you can only communicate in emoji17:47
Nicd-phlixi_o: long press the planet button (bottom left)17:47
Nicd-it's the space17:47
phlixi_oyerah17:48
phlixi_othanks17:48
phlixi_oright in that moment i found that :-)17:48
phlixi_othats great, email from my sister now displays the emoji17:48
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phlixi_oπŸ‘17:49
phlixi_m🐍17:49
phlixi_mπŸ˜…17:49
phlixi_mgreat17:50
phlixi_mgn8 πŸ˜”17:50
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phlixi_ogn8 :-)17:50
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Nicd-😊17:51
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