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SfietKonstantinShello08:34
SfietKonstantinSwho is at Fosdem ? espcially in Jansen building ?08:35
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SfietKonstantinSkimmoli: you might get a new padawan to mentor10:39
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kimmoli?10:39
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SfietKonstantinSkimmoli: someone at fosdem wanted to do tohs10:44
SfietKonstantinSso he might ping you on irc10:44
kimmoliah, ok. he will be padawan after 13 years of pre-training10:45
SfietKonstantinSlol10:46
r0kk3rzSfietKonstantinS: too old to begin the training he is10:46
SfietKonstantinSooh10:47
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JvD_o/11:08
kimmolio\11:09
locusfyo11:16
stephg_ohai!11:17
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kimmolilocusf: no problems on security-check with diy tablet?11:28
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locusfkimmoli: well not the tablet11:29
locusfjust because of the mess of wires11:29
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locusfthey wondered that I had two tablet11:30
locusfI should have said about the other 3 at home11:30
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dr_gogeta86ahaha11:32
locusfand other 6 phones :p11:32
dr_gogeta86locusf, we need to do some kind what's in my bag mer/nemo/sf editions11:33
locusfaye11:33
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locusfhmm rpi mentioned11:36
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sledgesFOSDEM PSA: BoF room H.3227 is from 17:00, and dinner at http://www.restaurantvincent.com/ from 19:00. .c u there!! https://together.jolla.com/question/126575/fosdem-2016-get-together/11:43
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks sledges !11:44
sledgesSfiet_Konstantin: it was massive team effort, thanks vgrade and stephg_, #peoplepowered:))11:45
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stephg_mostly vgrade :)11:45
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sledgeswho's not on here:)))11:46
stephg_he has about 10 minutes of battery left, then he may need to come and sit next to you11:46
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sledgeslol11:46
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sledgesport quicker:D11:46
sledgesno pressure:))11:46
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stephg_haha11:47
sledgesdoes being on less channels save battery?11:48
sledges(ignore /me)11:48
Sfiet_Konstantin:)11:50
Sfiet_Konstantinah, vgrade already wasted all his battery porting ?11:50
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stephg_jaja11:50
Sfiet_Konstantinstephg_: + sledges + vgrade + javispedro where are you actually ?11:50
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stephg_epic modem effort :P11:50
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stephg_Sfiet_Konstantin where we were before!11:51
stephg_two rows behind where you were11:51
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stephg_(well not sledges any more, he's now down the side)11:51
Sfiet_Konstantinah11:51
Sfiet_Konstantinjust missed your message11:51
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks fosdem wifi11:51
Sfiet_Konstantin...11:51
stephg_haha11:51
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* pavi is watching the nemo mobile stream at https://meet.jit.si/fosdemnemorpi12:34
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Sfiet_Konstantinjavispedro: around ?12:40
Sfiet_Konstantinare there other interesting python talks afterwards ?12:40
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javispedro_Sfiet_Konstantin: theres another cpython one soon but ill be going to the eda room instead (overlaps suck)12:47
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mornfalloh the conspiracy thread on tjc ...15:56
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entilmornfall: got a link?15:59
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mornfallhttps://together.jolla.com/question/123620/was-jolla-sabotaged-like-nokia/16:04
entilmrw reading that url: "this gon be good"16:04
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entilR: Hi Jolla! Do you want some tea from samovar? We want you to make national operating system for us, with smarthphones, based on Sailfish. We have lot of roubles for you to do that, and our Yandex company could provide all necessary services for you.16:09
entilJ: not interested.16:09
entil:DDD16:09
SfietKonstantinSlol16:09
Stskeepsentil: that's ironically not what happened16:10
entilStskeeps: I'm sure not, but there was a source for this '"It makes no sense to create a national operating system", - said Aarnio.' which probably does not mean exactly that :D16:10
Stskeepsentil: yes, because it was misunderstood to hell in press16:10
entilyeah, I can imagine16:11
entilif the .ru government actually tried to buy the company and close it down etc, it'd make sense, but I doubt that was ever on the table16:12
Stskeepswhy would they close it down..16:12
Stskeeps:P16:12
entilbecause sojuz kholhoz production target must be met16:12
entilevery cybereconomic input has output16:12
entil:P16:12
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Stskeepsentil: it doesn't make sense for any country to send a large amount of money to america across the borders16:13
entilyeah, I have really no idea about what's going on with the .ru deal, if it's even on the table anymore, but I just lol'd at that post because it's the most unlikely scenario of them all16:13
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corvinuxwhat is going on with SSH and Secure Sailfish?16:25
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EYeAJolla )01!@ )0h17:15
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fzkis it worth ordering jolla 1 or should i hope there will be a successor announced soon?19:13
wmaronewho knows at this point19:14
fzkpeople have started speculating19:15
kimmolireally?19:15
phlixi_intex19:16
kimmolihttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris19:17
wmaroneheh, who knows if intex is any good though19:18
wmaronethey could be like every android vendor, ship one rev and you _might_ get an update19:18
phlixi_i really really expect jolla to deliver the updates for the intex device... otherwise that would be really really bad19:19
wmaronewhy would you expect that?19:19
phlixi_apple, not google style in this regard19:19
wmaroneapple is entirely in control over their own handsets19:19
phlixi_expect is probably the wrong word19:19
wmaroneand jolla is like that only with their own handset19:19
wmaroneI'd like it if Jolla had gone the apple-style route, and released a new handset each year19:20
wmaroneand not spent time or money on 3rd party adoption19:21
fzkhmm, intex?19:22
wmaroneIndian handset vendor19:23
kimmolihttps://together.jolla.com/question/125804/intex-aqua-fish-running-sailfish-20-to-be-released-during-mwc-2016/19:23
fzkwell well, i think it is time to kill my n9, how is the jolla, is it fast and snappy?19:24
wmaroneit's 2013 hardware I think19:24
wmaroneN9 is positively ancient19:24
phlixi_wmarone: i think one of the usps of jolla/sailfish is, that you get an update every 2 months19:28
phlixi_jolla would damage that if they would not deliver the updates for the intex device19:28
fzkooh, that intex device looks interesting if that is true19:29
phlixi_of course i have nothing actually hinting they the actually will deliver the updates19:29
phlixi_and there is another player that proved updates for 3thr party devices... ms19:29
phlixi_provides*19:29
fzki dont care much about the phone itself, if im gonna use a smartphone it has to come with a interface that is human friendly19:30
phlixi_and while they f*cked up the older updates, i guess ms now does it the right way (updating devices)19:30
fzkios and android fails that horribly19:30
phlixi_i dont agree in terms of apple failing with updtes19:30
wmaroneiOS wouldn't be where it is if it was unfriendly19:31
wmaroneand MS pushed a compatibility layer requirement that essentially made ARM platforms somewhat PC like in terms of what was exposed to the kernel19:31
wmaronethough there may be other features we don't know about19:31
fzksure, perhaps not unfriendly, but imho there is too much finger movement to do stuff19:32
wmarone(it's amazing what happens when you push something like UEFI)19:32
phlixi_however, if someone is STILL using an N9, if i was that one, i would wait for mwc before ordering a jolla119:32
wmaronefzk: ironic given how swipe centric Sailfish OS is19:32
fzkwmarone: what i meant was you gotta tap a million places to do a simple thing19:33
fzkgestures are nice19:33
wmaronebeyond all of this, Jolla has to figure out how to survive as a severe niche19:33
wmaroneparticularly given how MS couldn't push a 3rd platform in mobile19:34
wmaroneor just survive, period19:34
* wmarone waits on the refund for his tablet that never came19:34
fzkphlixi_: that sounds reasonable, exatclty what i was thinking(but.. i want it now!)19:34
fzka friend of mine is also waiting for a refund19:35
phlixi_fzk: i am happy if you buy a jolla now, (i assume jolla gets more money if they sell a jolla, then if once an intex device is sold...)19:35
phlixi_but refund for tablet, not phone19:36
fzkphlixi_: stop brainf*cking me :)19:36
phlixi_^^19:36
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fzkit will be a totally awesome feeling to buy the jolla1 and then if something is released: nooooo19:37
phlixi_thats why i said, ...if you STILL use the n9, well, use it another month19:37
phlixi_the jolla1 is now, 2jears? old?19:38
wmaroneeffectively 319:38
phlixi_mine came 25months ago19:39
phlixi_i mean using it19:39
phlixi_hardware is older...19:39
fzk8]19:40
fzki broke my n9 screen a third time, i wont waste more money on repairing it19:40
phlixi_what is the current price for an n9 on ebay?19:41
fzkseems to be around $8019:42
phlixi_and how much would you be willing to waste?19:43
fzkok those were from china, $150-200 from eu countries19:43
fzkaround the price of the jolla tbh19:43
phlixi_thats way more than 8019:44
fzkyeah, but if im getting something its better to not stay on old tech19:44
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fzkthe interface really looks smooth in videos19:49
phlixi_tbh, there are people complaining about too less ram19:51
phlixi_i asume they have tons of apps open19:51
phlixi_i never run in those problems19:51
phlixi_but i mostly have only 4 apps open, email, browser, threema and gpodder19:51
phlixi_of course sometimes more, but even then, i usually have no problems and everything is smooth19:52
tiwakewhen is the pintex or whatever cellphones with sailfishOS supposed to come out?19:52
tiwake"soon" probably19:52
phlixi_of course SOON(tm)19:52
tiwakeintex rather19:53
tiwakeoh hey, jolla tablet blog update19:53
* tiwake goes to read19:53
fzko.o19:54
phlixi_i dont remember, right now i think it should have had been released already, according to the first anouncements.. got adelayed a few times. current thing afaik is, next news on mwc19:54
tiwakewhen is MWC?19:54
phlixi_end of feb?19:54
phlixi_usually19:54
fzkwonder what will happen to the tablets that are cancelled19:55
phlixi_they recently wrote on the blog about it19:55
phlixi_aiming for refunds and deliver 50019:55
phlixi_540?19:55
LipevakalaMWC 22-25 feb..19:56
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fzki mean, will they sell those units?19:57
tiwakerefund? meh, I want a device, not money back...19:57
phlixi_i dont think you will be able to actually buy the intex aquafish or what is it called right away then19:57
fzki want one so bad19:57
phlixi_well then, just buy a jolla?20:00
phlixi_if in april you think (and if the intex is actually avaiable then) you need one, you can still buy the intex then (if it is available in your country anyway)20:01
phlixi_...and sell the jolla on ebay20:01
fzki guess. lets see what the woman in the kitchen thinks20:02
phlixi_:)20:03
cehtehcoderus: you are aware of a bug in your launcer combined patch in landscape mode, doesnt use the full width of the screen?20:12
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HtheBcoderus: you there by any chance?22:33
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chem|stfzk: they said if one of the 540 turns down the tablet, contributer 541 will get the option23:44
chem|st.. and so on23:44
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cehtehkinda exclusive tablett ... but dead horse23:49
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