#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2016-04-05

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pp_err04:19
pp_"Your contributors reached out to us, because they are concerned about your lack of Updates and communication on your Indiegogo campaign page."04:19
pp_I wonder what campaign :P04:21
Stskeepswhere's that from?05:06
AciidOops, we’re sorry! Earlier today, we sent you an email that may not be relevant to you.05:13
AciidThis email was intended to remind a few campaign owners to post updates to keep their communities updated on their project. That said, of course you can use the tips and suggestions from that email, when updating your own backers!05:13
Aciidindiegogo sent an email to every one of their users05:13
Aciidaccidentally05:13
Stskeepsokay then05:14
kimmolinot everyone05:14
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chriadammal-: Nokius: any chance you could test https://github.com/mer-hybris/geoclue-providers-mlsdb/pull/4 please?  (for germany etc you'll have to regenerate the mlsdb.data file, sorry)05:59
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the_mgtI didn't get that email neither, Aciid. even though I have two accounts (for reasons I do not understand myself)06:18
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henkI didn’t get that mail either, but that’s probably because indiegogo’s order/confirmation mail system is broken and can’t handle my mail address …06:58
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Stskeepsmorning rigo08:01
rigomorning Stskeeps08:02
Stskeepshow's it going?08:02
rigobusy, terribly busy08:02
Stskeepsah, i know the feeling.. i was away from work for 14 days after my daughter was born and now it's back in the rat race08:02
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rigooh, congrats!! I hope you still get "some" sleep08:03
Smarneed to come to workplace to sleep? ;)08:03
rigoSmar: best place to sleep anyway :)08:04
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Smarsadly we have no bed in office, so it’s not that nice :(08:04
StskeepsSmar: i work from home.. :P08:04
Smarahaha ^^;08:05
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pp_heh, I've tried to work with a toddler in the same building \:D/08:20
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the_mgtStskeeps: congrats! here, have a little motivation: http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences4/kids09:18
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AciidStskeeps: can you unban narchie pls sempai ;_;;;13:49
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SmarAciid’s in need of Stskeeps’s babysitting too? ^^;13:50
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Aciidexceuse me ;_;;13:50
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cehtehgrumble .. btrfs15:22
mornfallyou don't say :D15:22
cehtehsd card died15:22
cehtehnext time f2fs15:23
mornfallto be fair, sd cards aren't very good at writing, regardless of the filesystem15:24
cehtehwhat do you mean by "not good"15:25
cehtehi havent written that much .. and on every other device/filesystem i have no problem15:25
cehtehin my laptop is a permanent sd card which takes daily backups by cron, first ext4 now f2fs .. that card works since years15:25
mornfalland you can still read all of that sdcard without errors?15:26
kjetilholots of SD cards are designed to handle around a dozen overwrites15:26
mornfallsounds like a lucky item15:26
kjetilhoor just old -- they made them better back then15:27
cehtehyes its a bit older and prolly not *that* much overrwritten15:27
mornfallnot really better15:27
cehtehthe one on the jolla had at most twice its capacity written15:27
mornfallthis is a bit like digital camera sensors :)15:27
mornfallcehteh: sdcards do no leveling of their own15:27
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cehtehiirc they do, but not that elaborate than SSD's15:28
mornfallso you could just kill a couple blocks that tend to hold key filesystem structures15:28
cehtehanyway i never really understood the reason for leveling ..15:28
cehtehjust write a damn block until it explodes (do write verification) .. and if its rotten away, then replace it15:29
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cehtehanyway f2fs was designed exactly around sd-cards and other not so stellar flash devices15:29
mornfallcehteh: write verification cuts write performance substantially, and the failure is not clear cut15:31
mornfallcehteh: you would have to verify repeatedly15:31
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cehtehthey certainly have some error correction codes or?15:31
mornfallbut apparently most SD cards do some leveling (not all)15:31
mornfallsure, but that doesn't change anything15:32
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mornfallalso, without leveling, you will see capacity dropping over time15:32
mornfallmost filesystems will be very unhappy about that15:32
cehtehthey should have spares for that15:32
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mornfallthey do15:33
mornfallat least in real SSDs15:33
cehtehanyway .. i really bet its btrfs fault, will examine the card tomorrow and reformat15:33
cehtehdmesg says nothing, but filesystem is readonly15:34
cehtehoh actually now there is something in dmesg15:34
mornfallit still means that without leveling, your free space will eventually start shrinking, very likely much sooner than a leveled drive would start showing any wear15:34
mornfalland when it does, you need to reformat unless your filesystem is magical15:35
mornfallall in all, levelling is a reasonable compromise :)15:35
cehtehyes some filesystem which can handle badblocks (online) and overprovisioning would be nice15:35
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cehtehmany can handle badblocks offline .. aka at mkfs time15:35
cehtehesp the old ones :D15:36
cehtehback in times where the MFM disk had hand written stickers/tables with badblocks on them from manufacturing :D15:36
mornfallthe other issue with NAND is that clearing a page is *slow* and the leveling algorithm hides that15:39
mornfallall in all, it always comes down to the fact that software vendors are basically incompetent (cf. power manageent) :p15:41
mornfallfilesystem-level NAND awareness would improve both durability and performance15:42
mornfallturns out that getting the software to correctly use the vastly simplified 'trim' interface is a drawn-out, many-year effort15:43
mornfallof course rushed, buggy firmware releases are not helping at all15:43
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cehtehbtrfsck --subvol-extents /dev/mmcblk116:32
cehtehSegmentation fault16:32
cehteh:D16:32
Smarreport to upstream :P16:35
Smarthough do you have old utilities, ”btrfs check” is preferred now iirc?16:35
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cehtehlooks like the sd card is toast16:51
cehtehtrying to get refund16:52
Teguinteresting. the sshd on phone has got killed (this appears to happen quite often since I can't connect to it)16:53
Tegusystemctl status sshd.service gives "Active: inactive (dead)". wonder why it dies16:53
Teguhm, I restarted it with "systemctl restart sshd.service" but it did not accept connection over WLAN until I disabled and re-enabled WLAN.. is there a way to avoid that in case I don't want to restart wifi16:55
cehtehmhm .. i wonder if the android system boots up now, with SD card removed :D16:59
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Xray2000I have a Nexus 4 with Sailfish on it lasted gamma version, but when i try to add my Facbook account on the account page i get the message something going wrong, how can i fix that ?18:04
coderusXray2000: its common problem for all sailfish18:06
Xray2000Ok thanks!18:06
Xray2000But on my Jolla it works only not on my Nexus18:06
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coderusXray2000: remove your facebook account on your jolla and try to add it again :)18:11
Xray2000Thanks! ;)18:11
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JollaSailor_Simohi guys can someone help me? i put an sd card in my jolla but i can't open it21:50
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JollaSailor_Simonobody here?21:52
the_mgtnope21:57
JollaSailor_SimoNice21:57
the_mgtwhat kind of sdcard? more than 32gb? out of the box?21:57
JollaSailor_Simo8gb class 421:58
the_mgtoh21:58
JollaSailor_Simoout of the box means?21:58
the_mgtwhich file system?21:58
the_mgtout of the box means "as you bought it from the store"21:58
JollaSailor_Simooh ok no21:58
JollaSailor_Simofile system is? (i need practice with english terms :D)21:59
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JollaSailor_Simooooh file system how stupid i am!! it has to be fat32??22:01
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the_mgtif it was fat32, it would work22:02
the_mgtif it was ext4 or btrfs, probably too22:02
JollaSailor_Simoit is nfts :P22:02
JollaSailor_Simoi will try thanks22:02
the_mgtbadum tss22:02
the_mgtreformat as fat32 or some linux fs. or udf might work too22:03
the_mgthave a look at http://together.jolla.com22:03
JollaSailor_Simowhich is the best?22:03
JollaSailor_Simooh nice thabks22:03
the_mgtthere is no best. just a "best for a purpose"22:03
the_mgtthere are some solutions to get things working that are not directly supported by jolla, like exfat22:04
the_mgtbut most of the time, you have to trade in something22:04
JollaSailor_Simoas "external storage"22:04
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the_mgtjolla does not support a "external storage" mode, you can not use it like an usb drive.22:05
JollaSailor_Simoah...22:05
JollaSailor_Simosadness...22:05
the_mgtif you have to remove the sdcard often, then the best choice depends on the device you will use22:05
the_mgtthere is also a way to use the sd card as external storage, probably described at the together.jollo.com site22:06
JollaSailor_Simono i mean to have more space for documents or i.e. an app uses iso and i want to store here22:06
JollaSailor_Simojust as expansion22:06
JollaSailor_Simoi will check aldo on togheter22:07
the_mgtbut that is a bit unsupported. and might lead to some trouble :D22:07
the_mgtah. then probably fat32, udf, ext4, flash2fs (or what ever it is called) in that order22:07
JollaSailor_Simosadness...22:07
JollaSailor_Simoi'm gonna try fat32  because curious thing my pc allowed obly this now22:08
JollaSailor_Simobut when i go into the file manager (i use es explorer ) howvi can find it?22:10
the_mgtthe card? in your computer?22:10
JollaSailor_Simonono in jolla22:11
JollaSailor_Simobecause i see that android storage is considered as sd card22:12
the_mgtah, here it gets complicated22:15
the_mgtthe way I use my card is that I want to be able to store and play music from it, I have some addional pdfs and texts stored, but it is pretty much my music library. so it works fine for me22:16
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the_mgtthere are probably 1000 other ways to use it, including passing it through to the android vm. I know nothing about that22:16
JollaSailor_Simook thanks however i will try to make this thing work22:17
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the_mgtgood luck22:21
the_mgtask again in maybe 12h or so, people are awake according to a more european timezone22:22
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JollaSailor_Simoi'm italian haha22:28
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the_mgtoh, i thought italians on irc would be more dangerous :P22:33
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mornfallthe_mgt: why?22:36
mornfallalthough italians off irc are pretty noisy right now22:37
mornfalland the windows in this place suck22:37
the_mgtthat is an old irc prejudice22:39
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the_mgtmornfall: http://postimg.org/image/sq5cfbgn5/ this was rather common knowledge 10 years ago22:44
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mornfallthe_mgt: must be from ircnet22:46
the_mgtprobably22:46
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