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citylight2hi, When I connect my jolla to my laptop , I no longer see a new device09:52
citylight2I upgreded to ubuntu 16.0409:52
citylight2what service offers the jolla as device over usb?09:53
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kjetilhocitylight2: it depends on what you select09:54
citylight2I select PC connection09:55
citylight2its my default09:55
r0kk3rzcitylight2: MTP09:58
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HtheBguys, I can't upgrade my phone to the newest EA10:47
HtheBit keeps on saying optimize, even when it's done optimizing10:47
HtheBany idea what the problem might be?10:48
r0kk3rzHtheB: 'optimising' is code for 'btrfs balancing' is it not?10:54
cehtehhow much space is used?10:55
cehtehmaybe remove some big files which are not needed/backup them10:56
cehtehvideos/jpegs10:56
cehtehthen try again10:56
HtheBr0kk3rz: yeah10:57
HtheBcehteh: hmmm, I do have around 2GB left on my phone10:57
HtheBbut the problem is: I dont get any error or what so ever10:57
cehtehthats btrfs for you10:58
HtheBwhat if a normal consumer has this problem10:58
cehtehyeah10:58
r0kk3rzHtheB: yeah it would be nice if it gave you something meaningful, but i guess the 'normal consumer' would have to take it to TJC11:00
cehtehbtrfs is very good at swallowing errors :) .. a friend reported that he rsynced data to a backupserver with a hosed btrfs ... it happily copied over and over, but nothing got stored, no error reported11:00
r0kk3rzcehteh: this isnt a btrfs issue as such, this is a jolla tooling issue11:01
cehtehits just too imature11:01
cehtehr0kk3rz: nothing the tools can do when they dont receive any errors from the FS11:01
r0kk3rzcehteh: there is obviously something its watching, otherwise it would go 'ok balancing done, download update'11:02
cehtehi may agree this should show progress, logs, errors, even to a normal user thats better than silently fail11:02
r0kk3rzrather than ask to do balancing again11:02
r0kk3rzbut as a failure mode, continuously balancing is better than a bootloop which we have had in the past11:02
cehtehthats the problem with btrfs .. you query if balancing is necessary... returns yes.. start balancing .. you can wait for it to finish ..11:03
cehtehbut it doesnt report if it was successful11:03
cehtehin some cases this can be fixed by freeing some space11:03
HtheBok11:03
* HtheB is going to free up some space11:04
r0kk3rzcehteh: sure, but jolla chose btrfs, warts and all, so its up to them to create a good experience11:04
* cehteh tried to put as much data as possible on the sd card, lessen the load on the btrfs11:04
cehtehwayland, systemd, btrfs .. *brrr* ..11:05
r0kk3rzalthough, i would be surprised if the aqua fish uses it, so it will probably be a lesson learned11:05
cehtehbut btrfs was certainly the worst of those choices11:05
cehtehnot that i am opposing btrfs, i'd really like to see it stable11:05
cehtehbut its not there yet11:05
cehtehand the jolla kernel isnt really the newest one or?11:06
cehtehthe tablet uses ext411:06
cehtehi'd liketo see f2fs .. and maybe overlayfs on squashfs for the stable image11:07
r0kk3rzcehteh: systemd is a good choice for a phone, and i dont think they had a choice with wayland as such11:07
cehtehi don like systemd, but i agree its ok on a phone, same for wayland11:07
cehtehthat choices are ok and dont make real problems except that i am systemd-legasthenic.. but that fault is mine not systemd11:08
cehteh(still i dont like systemd)11:08
cehtehanyway .. its ok11:08
r0kk3rzactually, systemd was a requirement as well really11:08
cehtehbut btfs is really a doubtful decision11:09
r0kk3rzthey needed to ondemand services it provides11:09
cehtehyes ok there11:09
cehtehbtrfs is the big probelm11:09
r0kk3rzyou can hack udev to do something like that, but better to use systemd11:09
cehtehi would really ship factory images in a squashfs partition, then overlay a f2fs for updates and /home11:11
cehtehmaybe even stage 2 squashfs over each other .. bottom the rescure/default image, inbetween OS updates, on top ongoing stuff11:13
HtheBbalancing again\11:14
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aard_cehteh: the overlay approach is a bit more tricky with the way apps work, and the ability to pull in dependencies from core os from apps, combined with that you'd still want to be able to update the base image11:16
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cehtehaard_: should be not, it only adds a rescue layer which allows a complete reset11:17
aard_cehteh: in your description you'd use that image and put an overlay on top of that. that'd blow up if you'd just replace the rescue image11:19
cehtehthe bottom rescue image should never be replaced11:20
cehtehif using a intermediate 'updates' image, then one needs some cleaner for that yes11:20
aard_you don't want to drop people into an ancient image on recovery (that's exactly one of the things which never got integrated on jolla/btrfs. most of the code is there, but then stuff happened)11:21
cehtehjolla currently does that ... when HtheB cant fix this he has to do a factory reset which drops him into some ancient image11:21
r0kk3rzaard_: not to mention all the problems that happened with the store once you got thrown back to prehistory11:22
cehtehbut i tihnk thats still better than a bricked device11:22
aard_cehteh: read the stuff between parentheses11:22
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cehtehthats why i suggested a intermediate image, instead a full factory reset to ancient one can reset to some 'last known good' state .. of course getting a vanilla install from that, loosing all installed apps and configurations (but hopefully not userdata)11:23
aard_cehteh: we planned to provide a UI to do btrfs snapshots in addition to backups for exactly that, but again, wasn't seen as priority until it started hurting, and then stuff happened11:25
cehtehthats futile as long btrfs is not stable enough11:25
cehtehbetter using other facilites for that11:26
cehtehso i am happy that this didnt happend, btrfs feature list is great, one could do everything i saied with btrfs, seed device for rescue image, snapshots and so on11:27
cehtehbut what does it help when btrfs is not stable11:27
cehtehi really *wish* btrfs would work .. for servers, hook in raid disks at runtime, mixed capacity, choose different raid levels for data/metadata, even per subvolume11:29
cehtehthats all awesome .. but still, if the filesystem damages over time or silently looses data or doesnt report errors, its not useable11:29
r0kk3rzcehteh: hindsight is 20/2011:32
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citylight2hm.. I can not play H264 MPEG-4-AVC on my jolla, yet it does appear in https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202015443-Which-kinds-of-media-music-video-files-does-Jolla-support-11:51
tbrcitylight2: that may depend on which profile that file is encoded in11:54
citylight2I see profile 10, which profile should I transcode to?11:57
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HtheBstill no luck :(12:35
HtheBi just cant update :(:(12:35
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niccsAnyone received refunds yet?15:16
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Yaniel"Your refund is currently being processed and informations here can not be changed at the moment."15:17
Yanielthat's new15:18
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LiekeJames Noorion April 29, 2016 at 5:28 pm: The refunds are being made starting today :)15:25
Liekein latest blog comments15:26
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MikeHG_Hi. Are there any working call apps / methods to block calls from a specific number?18:35
coderusMikeHG_: there is a ScumStopper app18:36
MikeHG_I've found scumstopper, but it looks abandoned18:36
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MikeHG_OK, found 'Phonehook' which has more recent activity and reports of success, I'll give that a go.18:55
MikeHG_Thanks anyway coderus.18:56
coderusMikeHG_: abaddoned? some software just works without any updates because it built solid.19:01
MikeHG_Sure, but there are reports (seemingly acknowledged by the author) that it had stopped working...19:02
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