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gargamlHi13:38
jaywalkoh hai!13:39
gargamlI have a problem with texting. Sometimes (especially when the message is length is greater than 160) I receive half of a message or nothing at all13:39
gargamlI've seen some people having similar issues but haven't found a solution yet13:40
gargamlis it still a known issue ?13:40
jaywalkhm, not to me, no. but hopefully someone in here knows more! could it be service provider related as well?13:46
gargamlI don't know, this happens only with one person (with whom I exchange much more texts than others)13:51
gargamla few hundreds I'd say and there are some texts that are a mix of new and old texts (which seems unrelated to service provider (at least I hope))13:52
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eYAeJolla )01!@14:04
eYAe)0h14:04
*** eYAe is now known as EyEA14:04
EyEAAny news on a new Jolla14:05
EyEAsend my Jolla for repair14:05
EyEAI mean i sent my Jolla for repair the other day14:06
EyEAIs NOKIA on its way back to the handy market14:08
EyEAwith DROID as the system14:09
EyEAhow do i format a 64GB mem card in Jolla@14:13
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phlixi_ov14:21
phlixi_oJolla )01!@14:21
phlixi_o:D14:21
r0kk3rzEyEA: theres a UI in an upcoming update that allows you to format SD cards14:21
r0kk3rzfor now it must be done via terminal14:22
phlixi_odo you mean more meta like "is it better to use ext4, btrfs or fat32?" or more like "whats the command to format an sd card in the jolla?14:22
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EyEAyes14:22
EyEAwhat are the coms14:22
EyEAcommands14:22
phlixi_othere should be plenty examples on tjc, well , how exactly depends on what you want to do, this is one example: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/14:23
EyEAis there a way to send photo pic direct to sd14:24
EyEAok14:24
r0kk3rzEyEA: is linux, im sure you can google 100 tutorials very quickly14:24
EyEAfint tak tak14:24
EyEAfint14:24
phlixi_oi would try to do that in file browser, select the photo and navigate to sd card, i am not aware of such function in the camera or galery app14:24
EyEAright14:25
kimmoliyou can save camera photos directly to sdcard14:25
EyEAright14:25
kimmoliby casting a xdg spell14:25
phlixi_oand the official thing (probaly not much helpful) https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201997993-What-kind-of-SD-cards-and-formats-are-supported-14:26
kimmolixdg-user-dirs-update --set PICTURES /media/sd..well-path-to-your-sdcard14:26
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EyEAswell14:27
phlixi_oof, course if you take lots of pictures and want them all automatically saved on sd, then moving them manually is silly :-)14:27
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r0kk3rzkimmoli: cool14:27
kimmoliremember to check what it is now first14:28
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kimmoliand also --set VIDEOS14:29
dr_gogeta86neet14:30
dr_gogeta86why doesn't have a gui14:30
dr_gogeta86something like move your sh*t to sd14:31
dr_gogeta86especially on sbj is usefull to free some btrfs space14:31
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phlixi_oi am pretty sure same reason as for 123496314 other of those tiny things...14:55
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phlixi_o...there are just SO MANY of those little things, its to much14:55
phlixi_othus everything is just the bare minimum14:56
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kimmoliwaiting for random-settings-plugin15:10
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sobukusIs there some trick to make mtpfs work with the Jolla phone? I remember that it worked some time ago, but now mtpfs 1.1 with libmtp-1.1.11 seems to crash on trying to list files after successful mount.15:52
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sobukusDo I have to open root access and use USB networking to be able to copy a video?!15:53
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Stskeepsmtp support on linux is so shit :)15:56
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sobukusStskeeps: I tend to agree. But I wonder why …16:00
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sobukusIt sucks having mobile Linux devices that cannot communicate with my other Linux devices.16:00
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Liekeyour other linux devices don't have ssh?16:14
the_mgtsobukus: there is some kind of communication suite16:16
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sobukusLieke: I do have SSH, but having to open up developer mode and root access on the phone doesn't feel right.17:04
LarstiQsobukus: add an ssh key17:05
Yanielyou still don't need root access17:05
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Yanielmost things can be done as the unprivileged nemo user17:06
sobukusYaniel: but isn't enabling of SSH tied to setting a password for root?17:06
Yanielno17:06
Yanielthat's the password for nemo17:06
Yanielin the developer settings17:06
YanielI don't know if root even has a password by default17:06
sobukusIt says "password for ssh and root access" on my config dialogue.17:07
Yanielroot access via devel-su17:07
Yanielwhich is like sudo17:07
sobukusYeah … hm. Maybe I misremembered.17:08
sobukusI'll have to check if password login is really disabled for connections to ssh …17:09
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sobukusHm. SSH over WLAN seems generally blocked.17:11
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TeguSSH over WLAN does work but I tend to have issues with it. usually I have to shut down and reopen WLAN17:19
Teguif someone happens to know a better way, please tell17:19
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sobukusHm, well, I set up USB IP now … trying to make it accept the SSH key17:21
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sobukusYaniel: There is no SSH connection accepted unless I set a password for it … and login also only uses password only, ignores my key.17:24
* sobukus hunting sshd_config17:24
Yaniellogin with password once to copy the key over, then disable password logins in sshd config17:24
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Yanielyeah it could be better17:24
sobukusHm, but I guess I should first find out why my key is ignored.17:25
sobukusAh, the paranoia again: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for file /home/nemo/.ssh/authorized_keys17:27
sobukusI don't see how that matters when the .ssh dir has 0700 mode …17:27
sobukusHm, OK, so I can disable password access via SSH, so it's not that bad that there is one.17:29
* sobukus sees /home/nemo/.vault/.git17:32
sobukusVersioned backups using git?17:32
Raimyes17:36
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pdanekTMavica: ?21:06
pdanek!seen TMavica21:06
merbotpdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 6 days, 7 hours, 32 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <TMavica> tomorrow21:06
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phlixi_<Tegu> SSH over WLAN does work but I tend to have issues with it. usually I have to shut down and reopen WLAN21:20
phlixi_Tegu: if i try to connect and the phone does not respond, it most of the time lies on the table besides me, i double tap the display and ssh via wlan instantly works21:20
phlixi_thus (in my case) a matter of sleep, rather than something crahed that needs to be restarted in any way21:21
Teguphlixi_: iirc that worked sometimes and sometimes not21:21
phlixi_for me thats 100% the case, but of course you might have an additional problem21:21
Tegubut yea, during an ssh connection, if you're typing something and the screen goes off, the connection stops soon21:22
phlixi_(100% of the cses where it fails... sometimes it does not needed to be woken up, then it works in the first place)21:22
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TeguI guess it has something to do with this network, then (maybe the wlan box?). I tried to ssh in now with the correct IP but this machine just gives "No route to host"21:23
Teguthe network works on the phone, however. I can surf on the net and all (and ssh to this machine)21:24
phlixi_that sounds like a network problem to me21:25
phlixi_duplicate IPs in the network? wrong subnet masks etc?21:26
phlixi_multiple dhcps?21:26
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Teguprobably a network issue then.. shouldn't be multiple dhcps, I don't have other dhcp servers running. subnet masks... haven't touched them. duplicate IP's.. not sure, shouldn't be21:31
Tegubut if it's something of those, maybe the duplicate IP's due to some reason21:32
phlixi_some weird forgotten printer or whatever..21:32
phlixi_but if you have ips configured, you probably have also configured gatewwas and subnetmasks21:32
phlixi_gateways*21:32
Teguonly DHCP all around. no static IP's. but hm, I've configured the DHCP server to give certain IP for certain MAC address21:33
Teguso they don't always get shuffled21:33
Tegubut without the need to configure static IP to the device. the device just asks normally with DHCP21:34
phlixi_thats where hostnames are useful :-)21:34
phlixi_but that does not help to resolve the issue21:34
Teguyea but then I would have to configure the hostnames somewhere (and this box apparently doesn't support it so it should be in every device..)21:35
pdanekDo you guys think the news about new Jolla investment are giving some hope?21:36
pdanekOr they will just extend the slow and painful death?21:36
pdanek:D21:36
TeguI hope not :E21:39
phlixi_my Jolla has the hostname "Jolla"21:42
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phlixi_other mobiles usually use the "bluetooth name"21:42
phlixi_or something generated if not configurable21:42
Teguyea but other devices do not know about the hostname of another device unles something tells about it.. hardcoded hosts file or a DNS server running somewhere?21:45
phlixi_i thought dhcp takes care of that21:47
phlixi_i can reach "jolla", without configuring it anywhere21:47
Teguoh? I thought DHCP only maps IP to MAC address..21:48
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phlixi_if it is not the dhcp that i thought, it has to be someelse the fritzbox (my router) does21:49
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Teguapparently, DHCP can do more than what I thought21:51
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Tegumaybe it depends on the implementation. at least I cannot access other devices simply by the hostname21:53
Teguperhaps some cheap barebones DHCP implementation :P21:54
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ninnnuJolla (and other devices) tell the DHCP-server their hostname when they ask for new IP-lease (or renewal). Depending on router and config the router can add it to its local DNS-server. So no, it's not really something DHCP does as such.21:55
aard_Tegu: dhcp does arbitrary settings. some are standardized, and if you need more you can do vendor extensions21:56
phlixi_well, but the dhcp tells the dns (or you configured a gateway)21:56
Teguyea, the hostnames are visible on the router configuration menus.. so they could as well be added to the DNS server but no, this device does not do it >_>21:57
TeguI've tried to crawl the menus and manuals earlier but without luck21:58
Tegubut yea, I think I get it now. so DHCP client is able to tell the hostname to the router (DHCP server). not only the IP->MAC mapping. the DNS is additional part in this21:59
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Teguthe box, however, does run a DNS server, as the box itself can be reached with a name. too bad the server is not really configurable (other than changing the name of the box..)22:01
phlixi_however, if you have "no route to host" i would try tracerout22:05
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Tegu..and now that I tried again, it seems to work without changing anything22:07
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phlixi_then maybe back to start, phone was sleeping?22:11
Teguperhaps. I think I tried even after waking it up and browsing web with it22:12
Teguthe phone likes to lose all connections when sleeping22:13
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