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fluxhmm, I wonder why kswapd0 takes 99% cpu. nothing else does, nor do there seem to be any particular memory consumers either.08:42
Stskeepszram08:42
fluxexplains why my battery seems to drain to fast :)08:42
fluxzram what? it compresses in the background?08:43
* pp_ pats his even-more-than-jolla-tablet-limited edition lastu case08:43
fluxwell, you were probably correct ;), I just killed everyhing (from the gui), among them a web browser, and kswapd stopped working so hard08:44
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r0kk3rzflux: zram is compressed ram drive as swap space09:02
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fluxyes, I know that, but I would expect it to do work only when something else is doing it (ie. allocating memory)..09:08
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fluxperhaps some of them were allocating, but their cpu load was dwarfed by kswapd (due to them being blocked while the swapper does its work)09:08
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intehello11:28
intelong time ... :)11:28
intemy jolla recently broke down, more or less11:28
inteand the shop seems to be out of stock for a while11:29
inteis there any chance to grep a new jolla phone elsewhere?11:29
M4rtinKIIRC Amazon used to have them11:30
inteM4rtinK: out of stock as well11:30
pp_probably used one, intex import or turing :(11:33
pp_I have a < 5 min used replacement one, but probably keeping it as a spare :-)11:34
intepp_: lucky you :)11:34
inteso, what about those intex or turing phones?11:34
inteare they for real?11:34
pp_intex isn't shipping yet and not CE certified, apparently11:35
pp_and it could be turing is a tablet 2.0 ;)11:35
intehu :(11:35
intewell, I have a tablet :)11:35
intestill pretty few apps though11:35
M4rtinKalso Fairphone 211:35
M4rtinKIIRC even the current community port works well11:36
inteM4rtinK: I hear fairphone was an unoffical port like on nexus11:36
inteno android app support11:36
M4rtinKyeah11:37
intei only wonder where Jolla got those 12Mil from. How are they going to pay it back if they are not even selling anything?11:37
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Bysmyyrlicense fees11:38
inteare they licensing anything?11:39
* tadzik wonders what'd the cost of Android Support if you were to put it in Play Store11:39
tadzikerr11:39
tadzikJolla Store11:39
intetadzik: yeah that would be cool11:39
Stskeepstadzik: bigger question is how much people would pay for it..11:39
inteim on a nexus 5 since yesterday (my first android device ever) and it is really a pain11:40
tadzikright, I guess porting (?) it requires effort and money in the first place11:40
intei think ill put sfos on it next week11:40
tadzikI assume that aliendalvik-the-company (?) just takes a fixed sum and allows you to use it on a certain device?11:41
inteStskeeps: well i guess the company behind aliendalvik (forgot its name) wouldnt mind getting some extra cash11:41
inteand it shouldnt be too much of porting11:41
tadzikfamous last words :P11:41
inte:)11:42
inteMYDRIAD!11:42
intei guess11:42
Stskeepsmyriad11:42
inteor sth similar11:42
inteah11:43
Stskeepsinte: well, for various reasons i doubt they could do that :)11:43
inteok, nevermind :)11:43
LarstiQas long as it isn't the Dyad institute11:43
tadzikno, "mydriad" is what those evil wizards from Baldur's Gate said...11:43
intehehe11:43
tadzikoh no, those were nymphs11:43
inteat least there appears to be a workaround to make some android games work11:44
tadzikthere's also sfdroid11:45
tadziknot sure how well it works11:45
r0kk3rzsfdroid is more like running two operating systems at the same time11:49
r0kk3rznowhere near as integrated as alien-dalvik11:49
PeperJohnnywhat about shashlik? anyone fiddling with it?11:50
tadzikI haven't heard about it before now,but it seems pretty tasty11:53
tadzikand apparently someone is fiddling with it: https://together.jolla.com/question/99660/using-shashlink-to-run-android-apps-on-sailfish/11:54
r0kk3rzPeperJohnny: initial googling suggests its 64bit only at the moment11:54
PeperJohnnyOh ok11:54
r0kk3rzwhich makes things difficult, as sfos is 32bit only11:55
sharpneliWhy is it 32bit only btw?11:55
tadzikoh, reminds me that I really want a good, ol' T9 keyboard..11:55
tadzikwould probably require messing somewhat with the prediction engine though11:56
r0kk3rzsharpneli: thats not entirely accurate, but aarch64 doesnt work right now11:56
r0kk3rzand i think even tablet userland is 32bit11:56
sharpneliWhich is a weird choice in the end.11:57
entilis the kernel 64-bit?11:57
entilit is an heirloom kernel, after all11:57
r0kk3rzsharpneli: it probably has implications for dalvik or somesuch12:00
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intei haven't heard any rumors, but is there a chance of jolla releasing a Jolla 2 phone some time soon?12:22
ln-there isn't12:22
pp_there's some "device related news" coming, but I doubt it's that12:22
intepp_: you got a source or something?12:23
intei wonder if there is still a slight chance of Jolla collaborating with Nokia to release a new device12:23
r0kk3rzpp_: sledges mentioned a "mystery device", but who knows until something is actually announced12:25
pp_Dr. Saarnio comments: “We are soon announcing the program officially, but what I can say12:25
pp_already now is that it will include a special device related treat for our fans. I personally12:25
pp_can’t wait to announce it! Our team is tweaking the offering now – look out for the12:25
pp_announcement in a few weeks.”12:25
pp_ok, there was the translation program12:25
M4rtinK"soon" has been used - it could take years for this to surface ;-)12:26
inteso, when was that announcement?12:26
entil:D12:27
entiljolla announcement quality guaranteed12:27
pp_https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/NewFinancing_press_release_April2016_FINAL_68.pdf12:27
entilsaarnio should hire a speechwriter12:27
intewell ok so thats about a month ago, nice12:28
intethere *could* be something in the makings12:28
intemaybe an officially supported fairphone12:29
intejolla branded12:29
intei dont think they have the capacity to develop an entire device from the scratch12:30
intefunny thing, by the way: I keep getting the emails prompting me to apply for the refund of my tablet order12:30
inteI received my tablet, though12:30
inteso, if I'd apply for the refound, will I eventually end up with a free tablet? :)12:31
LarstiQinte: what do you mean, "keep getting"?12:31
intethe last was from last month i guess12:31
intecalled "final notice"12:31
LarstiQinte: I expect that to be last one :)12:32
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LarstiQwell, maybe till the second round of refunds12:32
intei didnt apply for the refund but if i had... dont know what would have happend12:32
LarstiQinte: you'd get 50% of (contributions - delivered)12:33
Bysmyyrinte: if you got tablet, then no money12:33
inteis it ment to be that way even though I recived the tablet?12:33
inteBysmyyr: yes exactely so why do I get those invitations12:33
BysmyyrI think they send them through indiegogo where they do not have info who is going to get it12:34
r0kk3rzinte: a number of tablet recipients got the emails too, dont worry12:34
LarstiQinte: there also were people who got their tablets but had more contributions, they'd get the rest refunded12:35
LarstiQinte: so as r0kk3rz said, you're in a normal situation12:35
inteah so it is doublechecked anytime within the process :)12:35
inteI was just thinking - if Microsoft is eventually going to release cyanogen-mod-phones with pureview technologie, it would be really nice to have sfos running on top :)12:38
intethen, nokia-hw and nokia-sw are united again ;)12:38
r0kk3rzis it really nokia hw though?12:40
intewell I guess microsoft accquired the hardware branch, so somewhat it is :)12:41
inteeven though they closed the finland factory recently, didn't they?12:42
r0kk3rzmaybe thats enough of a tangent for nokia fans i guess, but i would still argue that the nokia of old doesnt really exist anymore12:43
intetrue12:45
inteI really loved my n900 and my n912:45
inteand, sadely, never got a hand on a n950 :(12:45
intebtw, M$ is going to sell the Nokia featurephone branch to Foxconn12:46
inteLOL12:46
pp_n950 would have been nice as a non-prototype, but it wasn't really for daily use the way it ended up12:46
intethose are the best phones M$ sells at present ;)12:46
intepp_: yes if they would a brought it to market, together with the n9 and worldwide, it would have probably been a success12:47
intereminds me of the Palm Foleo, which was the first netbook ever produced but never entered the market12:47
interoughly 2y before the netbook boom started12:48
r0kk3rzinte: look at blackberry, im not sure even the n9/50 could have saved nokia12:52
Bysmyyrnokias problem was managers12:54
leinirNokia's problem was plural12:55
leinirbut that's difficult to fit into a tweet ;)12:55
citylight2after upgrading to the new 2.0.1.11 connections to the new wifi hangs. did anyone else had this issue?12:56
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inter0kk3rz: blackberry had their very special business modell, based on the blackberry services12:59
KabouikGuys I'm trying to use RNDIS shared internet on a Windows computer, and it is properly installed, but all I guet is "Unidentified network", and the status says "No internet access" in both IPV4 and IPV6. What should I do?13:00
intethat were some kind of hidden sms that notified to the phones that new emails were available13:00
interesulting in standby times of days13:00
inteif not weeks13:00
inteand, blackberry was a business phone13:00
r0kk3rzinte: agreed they are diffierent, but they still have an enviable market position, didnt do anything drastically wrong, and got their lunch eaten13:01
intebusiness people wanted the iphone, and there was no certain advantage in using bb10 devices any more, since the bb service was not available any longer13:01
r0kk3rzs/have/had13:02
intewell nokia was more for the people, they had an excellent position in the market and they were partnering with e.g. intel to release meego on a variaty of devices13:03
intethere even was a meego tablet by (i guess) toshiba in 201013:03
StskeepsKabouik: set address manually maybe13:03
intethere was no windows13:03
StskeepsKabouik: also, it won't have "internet" access13:03
inteand android wasnt really that big13:03
StskeepsKabouik: as it's not set up to internet?13:03
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KabouikWhat address should I pick Stskeeps? It's weird because it used to work, and I didn't change anything (except last SF upgrade)13:04
StskeepsKabouik: are you doing tethering or which13:04
KabouikThat's what I'm trying to do yes13:04
intei firmly believe that meego would have had the power to stay in the market and even to grep a share from the desktop market eventually13:04
intesince device are more cloud-based nowadays and windows compatibility is not necessary on the desktop13:05
intethats why elop stepped in and destroyed nokia13:05
intemy opinion13:05
inte:)13:05
inteneed to grep lunch13:05
intelaters13:05
KabouikIs it possible that the connection was automatically set to "Public" in Windows crappy network manager? I didn't have the pop-up about Public/private network, which kinds of makes me wonder.13:07
r0kk3rzKabouik: sometimes it gets stuck on 'identifying'13:08
KabouikIt hung for about 1 min, but then managed to pass this step13:08
Kabouikhttp://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/71408-unidentified-networks-set-private-public.html I'll try this13:09
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KabouikStill having the issue with RNDIS tethering. First, I changed it to private (which is a real pain in Seven... Seriously, I don't get the logic in this network manager), but still don't have internet access.13:33
KabouikThe problem might be the identification step, I can see that it hangs for a long time. What is it related to?13:34
intere13:38
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jaywalkhere we go, the jolla tablet back in my hand - repaired! \o/17:00
Stskeepsthey can be repaired?17:00
Stskeeps:P17:00
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jaywalkStskeeps: apparently! i broke my screen after one week of use, and jolla unbroke it for me:)17:10
jaywalk(i payed them to do it, but still happy that they even could)17:11
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sakustarhow muh18:37
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nh1402yes18:41
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pdanek!seen TMavica18:53
merbotpdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 2 weeks, 4 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <TMavica> tomorrow18:53
coderusstill looking for tmavica here? :D18:59
coderuswhy?18:59
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attahUmm.. so I think i had the auto-ignore bug today, and I'm on 2.0.1.11 Has anyone else seen it in this release?19:13
kimmolinope19:15
attahHmm, I guess I'll wait for it to happen again to report it19:15
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attah...and while I'm at it, does anyone else have issues with the tablet WiFi not coming out of snail-paced sleepmode?19:17
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kimmolieven if you turn screen on?19:20
attahyup19:21
attahhave to toggle wifi19:21
attahi was a total idiot and accepted this as answered https://together.jolla.com/question/114635/tablet-dropssuspends-wifi/ after reproducing both ssh and cutespot issues with the phone..19:23
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attahhowever.. the tablet sticks in that mode if it has been of for a long-ish time, whereas the phone does not (i.e. it always works to turn the screen on)19:25
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tux|dudeHow many applications are available on the jolla store out of curiosity23:54

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