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cehtehsometimes i wonder why anyone has mobile/phone reception in our cellar, but my jolla not :D07:48
zebbiz_piI've noticed that it's a bit weak too07:50
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sledgesPSA: https://together.jolla.com/question/137367/official-announcement-adding-new-community-languages-estonian-lithuanian-serbian-tartar-and-turkish/10:36
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FireFlySpeaking of which... I've been meaning to ask: is there a way to debug reception issues (in my case, with 4G in particular)? some kind of log files or anything?11:19
ppdata getting stuck? (I see that more recently on my phone)11:20
FireFlyBecause at my parents' summer house a Galaxy S4 with same mobile provider & plan as I have gets great 4G reception and I get shoddy sometimes-working 2G on a Jolla11:20
FireFlyBut 4G works elsewhere (read: in central Stockholm, at least)11:20
ppcould be a difference in supported frequencies11:21
FireFlyHmm11:21
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FireFlyCould be, I suppose? both are in Sweden11:21
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pphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks_in_Europe11:24
ppmiddle of nowhere -> likely to be low frequency11:24
FireFlymmm... Telenor's coverage map on their site only shows "4G good coverage", "3G good coverage" etc :<11:25
FireFlydoesn't separate different frequencies11:25
FireFly"middle of nowhere" is a pretty fair description though11:25
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zebbiz_piDon't know if this is still valid https://thejollablog.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/enable-lte-connectivity-on-your-jolla-phone-with-3g4g-radio-switcher/11:26
pptho I'd guess that LTE 450 (really middle of nowhere tech) isn't supported by many standard phones11:27
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FireFlyComparing https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203394337-Jolla-phone-Which-cellular-frequency-bands-are-supported- with the bands Telenor uses according to that list (800, 900, 1800, 2600) I guess it might be a 900-band area :<11:28
FireFlyAnnoying11:28
HelleLTE on low frequencies is badly supported in general on phones, Telenor iirc from a press release seems to be doing it in part for dongles more then phones11:29
FireFlyAh11:30
Hellebasically wanting to market it as semi-stationary broadband11:30
Hellewhich makes sense knowing Norwegian geography :)11:31
FireFlyHehe11:31
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zebbiz_pihttps://www.frequencycheck.com/carrier-compatibility/J0ah1Y/jolla-phone-jp-1301/telenor-sweden11:33
FireFlyOh huh. Handy site11:35
zebbiz_piyeah11:36
zebbiz_piApparently telia has the fewest frequencies11:36
pphere we get maps by frequency https://kartat.dna.fi/Peittokartta/11:39
FireFlyAh, that's much nicer11:39
zebbiz_piNice11:39
zebbiz_piI wish we had that for sweden11:39
pptho LTE800 means "4g might work, badly", very often11:40
FireFlyEh, I'd be happy with anything >2G-that-works-with-the-right-weather-conditions :p11:40
Helle800-1900Mhz log periodic antenna :P11:42
HelleI actually used such a thing for internet access at an exotic location11:44
FireFlyI wonder if I could get a 4G dongle supporting the right frequency and just use it with my phone SIM, or if it'll refuse to be used in a dongle somehow (and require a separate plan)11:46
FireFlyI don't really care about incoming calls/SMSes when I'm there anyway, so11:47
HelleFireFly: most cellphone companies don't really care that much11:47
r0kk3rzthis is why its nice to use X over IP stuff11:48
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ppfor in the middle of nowhere places investigating good ones is worth it11:53
ppe.g. sometimes you need an external, directional antenna and you get ~= 100Mbps11:53
ppfriend has that, lives close to the airport which has antennas pointing to the inside of it -> crap connectivity11:54
FireFlyHmm11:54
ppbut! there's a tower quite far away and the land is very flat, direct antenna at it -> full speed11:55
ppneeded to call the operator to figure out that, but they were very helpful11:56
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attahWhat's the deal with the screen protector for the C? Is the glass not strengthened at all?16:40
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attahScreen protectors rank just over actual snake-oil in my book... :S16:43
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r0kk3rzattah: not so much, they're just a sacrifical layer16:52
r0kk3rzthe problem is people dont tend to replace them, and so have a scratched up screen protector instead16:52
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r0kk3rzor worse, one with masssive bubbles in it16:52
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attahthat too... but *usually* the glass is an order of magnitude stronger than the cover16:54
r0kk3rzof course it is, its glass16:55
attahand let's face it no-one replaces the cover every other month..16:55
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r0kk3rzyeah which is why i stopped using one16:56
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attahEven my N9s look like they'd go another couple of years16:58
attahAnyway.. some backstory and specs on the glass would be nice.. so we can know how to take care of it properly16:59
Raimattah: as others said on TMO it is no hardened glass and scratches easily without the protector16:59
attahRaim: i'll go have a look there then.. just checked tjc. Thanks!17:00
Raimattah: https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1508625&postcount=49117:01
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Raimand as there is no warranty or service, we should be very careful with the device...17:02
attahRaim: awesome, thanks! The search is borked for me (captcha not loading)17:02
attahSure.. but i have a perfect track record so far17:02
r0kk3rzif it lasts a year then thats cool17:04
r0kk3rzhopefully by then something else will be on offer17:05
attahI'll be getting anything and everything SFOS.. so hopefully :)17:05
Raimofficial support for Fairphone 2 maybe, https://twitter.com/Fairphone/status/74815664940424806417:06
attahEspecially that!17:07
r0kk3rzthe fp2 is pretty cool17:07
r0kk3rzmaybe a little bricky for my liking, but still cool17:07
r0kk3rztaking the screen off with zero tools required almost got a standing ovavtion @ FOSDEM17:08
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WntI 3D printed a bicycle handlebar mount for the Jolla C :) http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:165130121:54
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phlixiWnt dou you take photos of your front wheel while you  drive?22:34
phlixi...or does otherwise not fit?22:34
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Wntphlixi: the phone serves a dual purpose: map + light ;)22:43
phlixi:-)22:43
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