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Milo- | Just received a scam SMS saying something about winning 2 million dollars. The interesting thing about this message is that it never appeared in the "Messages" app. | 07:58 |
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Milo- | was only able to see it briefly in its notification popup, but it's not in the notifications feed or messages app. | 07:59 |
Milo- | fun stuff :) | 07:59 |
tbr | might have been Type 0 | 08:00 |
Milo- | definitely seems that way | 08:01 |
Milo- | sailfish honours that? -_- | 08:02 |
mal- | I also got a similar spam a while ago, it seemed to appear in a similar way as replies to USSD codes | 08:02 |
tbr | it's in the GSM spec | 08:02 |
Milo- | but who is forcing its implementation? | 08:03 |
Milo- | it's just a flag in the xml header | 08:03 |
tbr | XML? lol | 08:04 |
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ballock | Milo-: you sound like you really want the 2 million-dollar spam message in the Messages app? Well, I wouldn't mind a $2bn either ;) | 08:05 |
tbr | if you don't comply with GSMA requirements you might find that no operator will allow your device on their network | 08:05 |
Milo- | ballock no, I don't :p | 08:05 |
Milo- | tbr at least at some point you you threw some xml format to the service provider | 08:06 |
Milo- | could have been just certain service provider's API though | 08:06 |
tbr | while XML is very enterprisey, it is not used in the short message service | 08:06 |
Milo- | it was a while ago :) | 08:06 |
tbr | it is a rather terse binary protocol | 08:06 |
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tbr | it's from a time where 4k8 baud was considered luxury | 08:07 |
Milo- | none the less :) | 08:07 |
Milo- | I was surprised to see a full screen message with full screen of text | 08:07 |
Milo- | while I was only able to pick few words of it. | 08:07 |
Milo- | Knew those things existed, in theory. hadn't actually witnessed a working implementation for them yet | 08:08 |
phlixi_ | i remember a girlfriend used to send me such "flash sms" (i think thats how those are called) via some web portal | 08:10 |
phlixi_ | maybe 15 years ago :D | 08:10 |
Helle | Reminds me, I wish it took two actions to hang up on dialing 112, because while it tells you "Don't hang up, unless the operator tells you to" it doesn't actually make it harder, I guess for pocket dialing it could make it harder to hang up after the initial 2 seconds | 08:29 |
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sakustar | cant you just turn off the screen if you dont want to accidentally hang up? | 09:22 |
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Timbo_ | Hi! I'm trying to use recovery on Jolla phone which is stuck to Jolla logo at startup. Recovery says: segmentation fault.. Can it be fixed or is it dead | 09:55 |
Timbo_ | stuck on mounting mmcblk0p28 | 09:57 |
coderus | Timbo_: coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/README.html coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/jolla-factory.tar.xz | 09:58 |
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Timbo_ | coderus, thanks. will try now | 10:00 |
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rubdos | I'm getting | 10:14 |
rubdos | (jolla-mediaplayer:14343): Tracker-CRITICAL **: tracker_sparql_cursor_real_get_integer: assertion '_tmp1_ == TRACKER_SPARQL_VALUE_TYPE_INTEGER' failed | 10:14 |
rubdos | when opening my mediaplayer | 10:14 |
rubdos | 90% of my songs are missing :( | 10:14 |
rubdos | Something wrong with parsing metadata? | 10:14 |
rubdos | (I'm getting hundreds of that message by the way) | 10:15 |
r0kk3rz | nice | 10:15 |
r0kk3rz | reindexing might help | 10:15 |
rubdos | I just did a reindex, still having that message | 10:15 |
rubdos | The songs are not really missing, but the metadata isn't parsed, so they don't appear under Artists nor Albums, and have 0:00 length | 10:16 |
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rubdos | I'll let it finish its reindex now... | 10:16 |
r0kk3rz | oh, its not finished? | 10:17 |
coderus | there is a huge delay before media db reindex finishing | 10:19 |
rubdos | now its finished :) | 10:19 |
rubdos | 2779 songs | 10:19 |
rubdos | 81 albums | 10:19 |
rubdos | thats ~34 songs an album, which makes cd's of DVD capacity :) | 10:20 |
rubdos | the non-indexed songs are played allright, although the metadata is not in the db. | 10:20 |
r0kk3rz | give it time to finish parsing them all | 10:22 |
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rubdos | r0kk3rz, it stopped parsing | 10:23 |
rubdos | it added them to the db with unknown artist, unknown album | 10:24 |
rubdos | have had this issue for a long time, just cleaned up my db now :) | 10:24 |
rubdos | Had it before with .flac's, I now converted my music collection to opus for on my SSD based systems and on my phone, and it gives that issue on jolla :( | 10:24 |
kimmoli | Milo-: i won also 2million € too :) but this was regular sms | 10:25 |
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* tbr never wins 2M€ :-/ | 10:28 | |
r0kk3rz | rubdos: you can query the SPARQL database to see what its scaping, as well as get tracker diagnostics about how its parsing those files | 10:29 |
r0kk3rz | maybe a plugin is missing, or you're using some unsupported combination | 10:29 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, any guidance how I find those things? | 10:29 |
rubdos | Eg, where are the files? :P | 10:29 |
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r0kk3rz | rubdos: tracker-sparql command allows you to query the internal database | 10:31 |
rubdos | ok | 10:32 |
r0kk3rz | tracker-extract also does a test run and prints to console | 10:34 |
rubdos | I don't seem to have tracker-extract on my Jolla :O | 10:36 |
r0kk3rz | ive never used that one, so maybe its in a newer version than we have | 10:38 |
rubdos | aha, it's in libexec :) | 10:40 |
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rubdos | /usr/libexec/tracker-extract -v 3 -f [filename] | 10:45 |
rubdos | where filename is a path to a file that's wrongly indexed | 10:45 |
rubdos | gives correct results | 10:45 |
rubdos | (it lists the right information wrt album/artist/song name) | 10:45 |
r0kk3rz | thats a good start | 10:48 |
rubdos | (on my laptop, tracker is v1.8, on jolla, it's 1.1.4... Perhaps someone should update a bit? :s) | 10:48 |
r0kk3rz | query the database for that file and see what you get | 10:48 |
r0kk3rz | example query http://sailfishwayfarer.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/qt5sparql-and-tracker.html | 10:49 |
rubdos | Cannot find the file I could index with tracker-extract | 10:51 |
rubdos | Can find the files that are already in the database and those I can see in mediaplayer | 10:51 |
rubdos | (eg, '^11 A' should give 11 Amour -- Rammstein, but it doesn't, and '^01 A' gives All I Need -- Within Temptation, as it should) | 10:51 |
Timbo_ | coderus, lol. i have only 16gb sd card and file does not fit there. :D | 10:52 |
rubdos | Bit weird that the track number is in the title, but okay. | 10:52 |
r0kk3rz | rubdos: query the url | 10:52 |
rubdos | I don't think I get what you mean by url | 10:53 |
rubdos | the filepath? | 10:53 |
coderus | Timbo_: you can do it via netcat | 10:53 |
r0kk3rz | rubdos: yeah | 10:54 |
rubdos | The example query doesn't even to print a url :s | 10:55 |
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r0kk3rz | so change it? :P | 10:55 |
rubdos | Example line: 01 What Have You Done (feat. Keith Caputo) (single version), Within Temptation, 239, What Have You Done | 10:55 |
Timbo_ | coderus: how | 10:55 |
r0kk3rz | i meant it as an example after all, its written in SPARQL language | 10:55 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, it should print a url, if you look at the query | 10:56 |
rubdos | ?song nie:url ?url . is in the where clause, so it should print it, right? | 10:56 |
r0kk3rz | no | 10:56 |
rubdos | oh no | 10:56 |
rubdos | it's in the where clause | 10:56 |
r0kk3rz | needs to be in the select as well | 10:56 |
rubdos | I'm sorry :( | 10:56 |
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rubdos | r0kk3rz, querying on the ?url gives no results for the Rammstein song I tried to tracker-extract, but it does give results on Serj Tankian | 10:58 |
rubdos | so I'd suppose tracker-extract didn't write it? | 10:58 |
rubdos | (I can also see the Serj Tankian songs in jolla-mediaplayer) | 10:58 |
r0kk3rz | rubdos: if the rammstein song is in the mediaplayer, it *must* be in the tracker db | 11:00 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, no | 11:00 |
rubdos | it's not | 11:00 |
rubdos | Rammstein is a problematic one | 11:00 |
rubdos | Serj is not a problematic one | 11:00 |
r0kk3rz | im not talking about metadata | 11:00 |
rubdos | (although I only have 3 Serj songs, there should be a lot more) | 11:00 |
rubdos | Ok, I get what you say | 11:01 |
rubdos | let me check | 11:01 |
r0kk3rz | but i guess its hard to find songs when they're all 'unknown' in the app | 11:01 |
rubdos | yeh, and they are legion :/ | 11:01 |
coderus | Timbo_: like this: https://www.ndchost.com/wiki/server-administration/netcat-over-ssh | 11:01 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, I can see it under "All songs" in mediaplayer | 11:01 |
coderus | last paragraph about netcat | 11:01 |
rubdos | and it plays | 11:01 |
r0kk3rz | rubdos: you will need to get rid of a lot of the stuff in the where clause | 11:01 |
r0kk3rz | because they're binding | 11:01 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, | 11:02 |
rubdos | "SELECT | 11:02 |
rubdos | ?url | 11:02 |
rubdos | WHERE { | 11:02 |
rubdos | ?song nie:url ?url . | 11:02 |
rubdos | FILTER regex(?url, '74225824-5c30-4f7a-a04b-5027cbf201d2/Music/Ramm', 'i') | 11:02 |
rubdos | }" | 11:02 |
rubdos | gives all Rammstein songs | 11:02 |
rubdos | Can I somehow ask for all info on the lines, like SELECT * in SQL? | 11:03 |
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r0kk3rz | rubdos: sorry i'm being an idiot, tracker-info should print everything about a file | 11:06 |
r0kk3rz | its been a while since ive done this | 11:07 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, it prints no metadata for Rammstein, it does print metadata for Within Temptation | 11:08 |
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rubdos | they both have the same mime-type, according to tracker-info | 11:09 |
rubdos | which is correct | 11:09 |
r0kk3rz | yeah its looking like a tracker bug of some sort, take a copy of the tracker-extract output and the tracker-info output and stick it in a TJC | 11:09 |
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Timbo_ | coderus: noob here... :D | 11:18 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, https://together.jolla.com/question/137609/songs-are-treated-differently-some-are-not-found-some-are/ | 11:29 |
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r0kk3rz | rubdos: i saw rammstein live a few weeks ago, so much pyro :D | 11:33 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, they are awesome | 11:33 |
rubdos | I've seen them in 2012 I think | 11:33 |
rubdos | in Sportpaleis Antwerpen | 11:33 |
rubdos | That's soooo incredible :P | 11:33 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, may I ask, where you've seen them? | 11:33 |
urs | rubdos: ah, I reported something similar (about ogg files) about 2 years ago. | 11:33 |
r0kk3rz | rubdos: saw them at download festival in the uk | 11:34 |
urs | They have acknowledged the bug, but it never got fixed (and I never quite figured out the systematics of when it happens) | 11:34 |
rubdos | urs, EDIT: I have had this exact same issue (without the debugging information :( ) with flac files before. Some indexed, some didn't. | 11:34 |
rubdos | So I suppose we have the same | 11:34 |
rubdos | because .ogg == .opus :) | 11:34 |
urs | rubdos: there's the additional level of some songs that are playable in the media app, but not selectable as ringtones. | 11:34 |
rubdos | it's the same container | 11:34 |
r0kk3rz | urs: i think updating tracker is on the plan soon, they dont tend to debug when things are out of date | 11:35 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, nice. I have to do download fest some time. Or Paris, or UK... :) | 11:35 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, urs, Let's hope that I triggered the update of tracker :) | 11:35 |
urs | that'd be fantastic. :) | 11:35 |
rubdos | Sad thing is: I'm going on vacation soon, and I'd like to have my music for on the road... :) | 11:35 |
r0kk3rz | rubdos: i think there are other players that use their own metadata engine | 11:36 |
r0kk3rz | in mine i at least print the file name if the metadata isnt available | 11:37 |
rubdos | r0kk3rz, I know... I'm thinking about running mpd on my Jolla. | 11:37 |
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r0kk3rz | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/tracker/merge_requests/2#note_5898 | 11:46 |
r0kk3rz | something is going on anyway | 11:47 |
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rubdos | I did tracker-control -k=all, tracker restarted, and now I have 66 artists... --" | 11:57 |
rubdos | including 7 hours and 28 minutes of Rammstein | 11:57 |
rubdos | ... | 11:57 |
rubdos | 97 artists... 100... 256 albums, ... | 11:58 |
rubdos | unbelievable | 11:58 |
rubdos | just killed tracker and it worked | 11:58 |
LarstiQ | rubdos: it's like xml | 11:58 |
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rubdos | LarstiQ, how so? | 11:59 |
LarstiQ | rubdos: like xml, if violence doesn't solve your problem you just need to apply more of it | 11:59 |
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rubdos | lol | 12:00 |
rubdos | And now it's continuing to extract cover arts. Awesome. | 12:00 |
Yaniel | You wouldn't be the first to run mpd on their Jolla and use smpc to control it | 12:01 |
Yaniel | Hmm, I've had problems with cover art in flac and m4a | 12:01 |
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rubdos | Very well, it works. Let me see whether it found everything though | 12:02 |
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Yaniel | I recommend QuasarMX over the default player, way more features | 12:05 |
Yaniel | Some of which I actually use rather frequently | 12:05 |
Yaniel | (Sleep timers and play queue, most notably) | 12:05 |
r0kk3rz | Yaniel: sleep timers? | 12:07 |
rubdos | Yaniel, QuasarMX seems not to be free software though? | 12:08 |
Yaniel | No | 12:08 |
rubdos | :( | 12:08 |
rubdos | I am quite pleased with the default player though. Especially now I can have my whole library in opus. That's 2MB per song, better quality than 320kbit mp3 (12MB/song) | 12:09 |
Yaniel | Impressive | 12:12 |
r0kk3rz | maybe i need to update my music collection | 12:14 |
Yaniel | I suspect that by the next time I have a SailfishOS device as my daily driver, my music collection won't fit into a 64GB card as flac so I've been eyeing opus for that | 12:16 |
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rubdos | Yaniel, I've always used flac whenever I could. The Jolla DAC is nearly not good to notice any difference. And I didn't notice any difference on my laptop as well. Should test it on my better DACs though, some day. | 12:25 |
rubdos | And now, I'm reimporting my collection with beets, updating album art. Then resync with Jolla, and I'm ready for vacation :D | 12:25 |
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sistux | Hello! I would like use my Jolla per bluetooth with mediaplayer in my car. I could not see the id3 tags. Should I make some special setup? | 12:56 |
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Timbo_ | come on coderus, losing my mind here for not getting it right.. | 13:03 |
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tbr | sistux: that needs AVRCP, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't | 13:20 |
sistux | tbr: AVRCP? sorry for dummy, could it be installed on my phone or ?... | 13:23 |
Yaniel | is that the thing that the lockscreen mediaplayer controls use? | 13:23 |
tbr | no, AVRCP is a bluetooth profile | 13:24 |
tbr | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bluetooth_profiles#Audio.2FVideo_Remote_Control_Profile_.28AVRCP.29 | 13:25 |
tbr | I'm not sure which one the Jolla implements, but it's easy for two devices to misunderstand each other and ending up in a lower functionality level | 13:26 |
tbr | https://together.jolla.com/question/1983/supported-avrcp-versions-for-bluetooth-audio/?answer=18819#post-id-18819 | 13:27 |
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tbr | so the question is if the music player ever got the update to talk to bluez and do the 1.3 profile things | 13:29 |
lainwir3d | nope | 13:30 |
lainwir3d | I can confirm that the stock media player doesn't support it | 13:30 |
lainwir3d | the easiest way would be for bluez / a daemon to check via dbus / MPRIS | 13:31 |
lainwir3d | but afaik it doesn't do anything like that | 13:31 |
tbr | so someone™ would need to dig in and see how to feed the necessary information to bluez | 13:34 |
sistux | thanks | 13:34 |
r0kk3rz | afaik newer bluez supports MPRIS | 13:36 |
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Timbo_ | so i have to buy 32gb sd card then | 13:39 |
tbr | r0kk3rz: 4.x series or 5.x? | 13:39 |
r0kk3rz | tbr: 4.x | 13:40 |
tbr | interesting | 13:40 |
tbr | wonder if certification prevents SbJ from upgrading to a newer bluez. *poke* Stskeeps | 13:41 |
Stskeeps | tbr: 'probably' | 13:41 |
Stskeeps | but i think there's more to it | 13:41 |
tbr | if yes, then community can just build their on bluez and say "don't care" | 13:41 |
tbr | s/on/own | 13:41 |
Stskeeps | nod | 13:41 |
Stskeeps | but i think dbus apis changed toos | 13:41 |
Stskeeps | so it's not as easy :/ | 13:41 |
tbr | :-/ | 13:41 |
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Stskeeps | (damned closed source.) | 13:44 |
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Milo- | kimmoli darn. seems like everyone is getting 2 million euros | 13:44 |
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kimmoli | yep, it was in news too | 13:44 |
Stskeeps | is this like finnish basic income | 13:45 |
Stskeeps | ? | 13:45 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:45 |
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kimmoli | every june you get 2M | 13:45 |
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tbr | I'd be driving *very* carefully in the year following the one where I'd won such a sum... | 13:49 |
tbr | (fines are based on the preceding year's taxable income) | 13:49 |
kimmoli | just keep <15km and it is 140€ | 13:50 |
r0kk3rz | tbr: yes its funny when you see 400k€ fines coming from finland | 13:51 |
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ab | r0kk3rz: to get 400kEUR fine you need to earn substantially more. I think biggest fine here was something to the tune of 116K (Anssi Vanjoki, a godfather of OSSO/Maemo development) | 13:58 |
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kimmoli | yeah. example: net income 2500€, you catch too small fish, you get ~300 eur fine | 14:03 |
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kimmoli | speeding 30-50 km/h over, ~800 eur | 14:06 |
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Yaniel | wait what did I miss the start of some discussion | 14:26 |
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mal- | eventhough they claim that those fines based are meant to affect as much for poor and rich people it's still very far from that, the rich still have much more money to spend and it doesn't affect their lives pretty much at all but for poor even the small fine can mean that you don't have enough money for food | 14:33 |
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ab | mal-: I think Vanjoki's case was dragging for few years where his lawyers tried to show that he didn't earn those millions as part of normal job but cashed out Nokia success. | 14:37 |
mal- | ab: in the end he had to pay about 5900 euros | 14:38 |
ab | yep, his lawyers were successful to get 95% discount | 14:39 |
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mal- | usually if you get some exceptional income during one year you don't have to pay according to that the next year | 14:40 |
mal- | wondering what has been the highest actually paid fine | 14:40 |
kimmoli | afaik it is by net income now? | 14:41 |
mal- | yes | 14:43 |
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ab | I think we had two contenders: Jussi Salonoja who eventually paid a bit more than 100K EUR out of 170K EUR fine | 14:44 |
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ab | and Andres Wiklo:f who paid 95K EUR fine | 14:44 |
kimmoli | there was someone with 54k which went "facebook" | 14:45 |
Acce | facebook, the last frontier of lawless wild west | 14:46 |
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kimmoli | just the real word for "viral" | 14:48 |
ab | 54K was relatively recently -- last year? But it is far from those two gentlemen | 14:50 |
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mal- | it's quite messed up that the only way to get some companies to admit they were wrong is to make the situation public enough, most companies don't like bad publicity | 14:52 |
LarstiQ | mal-: wrong channel? | 14:52 |
LarstiQ | or I somehow missed the connection to traffic fines | 14:52 |
mal- | LarstiQ: there was talk about fine things going viral so it was related to that, not very directly though | 14:53 |
LarstiQ | aah | 14:53 |
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kimmoli | bad publicity is still publicity | 14:54 |
kimmoli | sometimes it might even be profitable in longer run | 14:55 |
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sakustar | kimmoli: btw minimum fine is 200 this year | 18:32 |
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sakustar | tried it by not knowing the speed limit of the road i live on :-) | 18:32 |
kimmoli | i just tested 140 fine with 95 on 80 limit, first for 10 years | 18:38 |
kimmoli | hmm... almost 20 years | 18:43 |
tbr | hmm, I think the fine that I got was lower. Something like 60€ or such, but that was a few years ago. | 18:56 |
tbr | with my current ride, it's not that easy to get a speeding ticket ;) | 18:56 |
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pp_ | in the good old days if you were poor it was cheaper to speed a lot (fixed rate for fines) | 18:58 |
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Timbo_ | still having problems with understanding how that netcat works | 19:05 |
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coderus | Timbo_: still? :) | 19:06 |
coderus | you sending file on pc to the port | 19:06 |
coderus | and from device you getting that data directly to dd | 19:06 |
Timbo_ | i understand how it should work but how to make it happen.. :D | 19:07 |
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Timbo_ | coderus: which command i need to use.. | 19:42 |
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coderus | Timbo_: that link i gave to you contains exact commands | 20:19 |
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coderus | and of course you should have netcat on your pc | 20:19 |
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Timbo_ | can you send that link again please. | 20:23 |
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coderus | https://www.ndchost.com/wiki/server-administration/netcat-over-ssh | 20:33 |
coderus | you can exclude bzip thing | 20:33 |
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Timbo_ | should that file be extracted or leave it be packed? | 20:45 |
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coderus | what file? | 20:51 |
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coderus | btw, does it really not fits in 16gb card? it's only 14gb size. | 20:53 |
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sakustar | kimmoli: oh might be different for residrential areas or near schools then | 21:23 |
sakustar | did 50-something in a 40 zone | 21:23 |
sakustar | on the very day they raised the minimum fines :D | 21:24 |
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Nicd- | sakustar: why did you do it? too much in a hurry to think about safety? | 21:49 |
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