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tortoisedochey ho06:48
tortoisedocis the jolla ambience daemon opensource?06:48
abransontortoisedoc: no, doesn't look like it06:49
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tortoisedocabout ambienced09:25
tortoisedochow about the component used by to manage ambiences09:26
tortoisedocclosed source as well?09:26
tortoisedoc(i'd imagine there might be some library)09:26
tortoisedoc(for the dbus interface)09:26
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tortoisedocim trying to build a buteo plugin for ambiences09:32
tortoisedocas I have jollac I'd like to transfer most of the good things i have on my toh :)09:33
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abransonthe db is in /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Ambienced09:51
abransonbut maybe there's an export format09:51
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tortoisedocabranson : rather than an export, id like an api?10:00
tortoisedocbut perhaps its not available10:01
tortoisedocwhich is a bit a pity, as it would have come in handy on the c++ side10:03
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Aardtortoisedoc: the whole ambienced stuff is a big mess which should've died and be rewritten (but wasn't, and I guess in the current situation it's just more patchwork). there's no good technical reason for having a permanently running daemon, and thankfully apis are not exposed10:19
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tortoisedocAard : aha; so that explains the missing api's10:21
tortoisedocI'd guess im better off writing my own then10:21
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tortoisedocAard : maybe opensourcing it would have helped? :P10:23
Aardhow would that have done any good if the approach is totally flawed?10:23
Aardit should've been done by exposing the hardware triggers via statefs, and then (non-daemon) code in the UI taking care of switching and generating ambiences10:24
tortoisedocby raising chances for someone to improve the approach vs throwing it in a corner collecting dust?10:24
tortoisedocharware triggers?10:25
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Aardnfc10:25
tortoisedocs/harware/hardware10:25
tortoisedocah10:25
tortoisedocwell, that's one side of ambiences10:25
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tortoisedocAard : what im after is a client library around the ambienced db10:26
tortoisedocto avoid the usual sql typing etc10:27
Aardthat's just a questionable implementation detail10:27
tortoisedoctranslates into more work for me tho10:30
tortoisedocon one side, if i type it, once (and if/when) this thing gets redesigned, it will be thrown away10:31
tortoisedocon the other side, if i dont, there's nothing :/10:31
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r0kk3rzAard: wouldnt it make sense as a dbus service? since its unlikely we will see another NFC TOH type implementation10:32
Aardr0kk3rz: yes10:33
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r0kk3rzeven if that dbus service isnt ambianced but lipstick...10:33
Aardit shouldn't be lipstick either, there's already too much crap in there which should've been removed (was scheduled, but then stuff happened)10:34
r0kk3rzyes it does seem to be a bit of a dumping ground10:34
tortoisedoclipstick or not, I have to write code :| bah10:35
Aardpoor you10:35
tortoisedocr0kk3rz : its already a dbus service, but in ambientd?10:36
tortoisedocAard : :P10:36
tortoisedocs/ambientd/ambienced10:36
kimmoliand so they code...10:36
tortoisedocand code..10:36
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r0kk3rztortoisedoc: if theres a dbus interface, whats your issue?10:38
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tortoisedocr0kk3rz : i have no idea how to use it?10:39
tortoisedoc(as in what method calls do what etc)10:39
r0kk3rzintrospect and start poking10:40
tortoisedocyeah10:41
tortoisedocim on it as we type :)10:41
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tortoisedocalso11:02
tortoisedocif i use the dbus interface11:02
tortoisedocwhat are the runtime effects?11:02
tortoisedocwill it set the ambiences one by one?11:02
tortoisedoci dont think so11:02
tortoisedocor at least I hope not11:05
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kimmolitortoisedoc: https://github.com/kimmoli/triambience/blob/master/src/switcher.cpp11:51
r0kk3rzis aurajoki being canned?11:54
r0kk3rztheres reports of a Espoonjoki on TMO11:55
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ppTo be followed be Fiskarsinjoki?-)11:56
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abransonthis chasing pre-releases trend is going to end in tears :)12:29
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abransoni'm sure there are people who just feed guesses into ssu to see if they can break their phones12:40
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r0kk3rzusually the release numbers are leaked by someone12:44
* pp looks at his "isitoutyet.py" script :-)12:44
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Stskeepshttps://twitter.com/MediaTek/status/756493510769991680 ... huh?16:07
Nicd-wut16:08
AcceMediaTek came out of the closet16:09
kimmoliout from oysters bar?16:09
* LarstiQ keeps associating oyster with the London travelcard16:10
the_mgtblue oyster bar16:10
the_mgthttp://www.wheelsandchips.com/2016/06/08/oysters-sf-sailfish-phone-9331/ dates from june ...16:10
Accethe_mgt: I thought the surprise was that the chipset company actually advertised a sfos phone?16:14
the_mgtah, ok. i vaguely rememember rumors about the phone16:14
kimmolithere was speculations was the SoC correct16:15
kimmolibut it seems. hopes that porting to mediatek phones would get easier...16:16
RaimStskeeps: the strangest thing is that it still has Android-style buttons in the mockup (?)16:17
the_mgtyep, i was wondering about that, too16:18
r0kk3rz64bit SoC.. may or may not be a work in progress16:33
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r0kk3rzin soviet russia chip vendor markets device16:34
StskeepsRaim: quite easily to remove16:37
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Raimyes, of course. but that makes me think it's probably not even in prototype stage.16:40
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r0kk3rzprototype stage -> take existing android phone, put sailfish on it16:46
mcfriskargh, how to install less to jollac?16:48
Stskeepsmcfrisk: ssu ar mer-tools; pkcon refresh?16:49
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Stskeepsr0kk3rz: now, that's a totally accepted way of marketing..16:49
Stskeeps:P16:49
kimmolipkcon repo-set-data mer-tools refresh-now true16:50
kimmolimuch faster16:50
mcfriskStskeeps: ok, thanks. maemo talk was right then :)16:50
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mcfriskjollac has two global ipv6 addresses, jolla only one on wlan0, hmm17:17
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r0kk3rzhttps://twitter.com/IntexBrand now thats more like it17:45
r0kk3rzand now it actually exists on the main intex.in page, its like its properly launched now17:48
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loicmdo we know about where we're at on the partnership between Jolla and FairPhone?20:00
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M-schmittlauchWhy are all these new phones 5"? That's too big /0\20:03
r0kk3rzM-schmittlauch: nobody makes small phones anymore20:03
r0kk3rzloicm: still waiting, although its been said its in the works20:04
tillwell, sony z5c is 4.6"20:04
loicmsony zX compact are quite nice indeed :)20:05
loicmcould be perfect hosts for sfos20:05
tillindeed20:05
loicmr0kk3rz, yup. I was wondering if there were insiders ;)20:05
M-schmittlauchr0kk3rz: Except Apple, the iPhone SE is something I'm a bit jealous about20:06
loicm+120:06
tilli am ok fine with 5" if the bezel would be smaller20:06
r0kk3rzthe jolla c seems a nice size20:06
loicmjolla C has a 5" screen, isn't it?20:07
r0kk3rzyeah20:07
tillI hope for a jolla c+ with better camera and better overall hardware once my jolla 1 dies20:07
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loicmin fact it's more about how it feels when holding with one hand than how big is the screen20:08
r0kk3rztill: its surprisingly good for a cheap device20:08
r0kk3rzbut some middle ground between cheap intex and super expensive turing would be nice20:08
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tillyes, but I don't want a "cheap device". well, not only a cheap one20:08
loicmtill, and I hope your jolla 1 will be fine for quite a time ;)20:08
loicm(mine is dead since monday and I seeking for a new phone…)20:09
tillapart from 1gb ram it is :)20:09
r0kk3rzi wonder how long until we see more about this oyster thing20:10
the_mgtwell, a smaller device with a real hardware keyboard....20:11
tilln950 style would be nice :)20:12
the_mgtE720:12
the_mgtwith sd slot20:12
the_mgtsince all the screen keyboards are too small for my fingers, I would prefer a larger dispplay20:12
loicmthe_mgt, remind me my old Palm Pre with webOS :) Liked it!20:12
r0kk3rzthe_mgt: keep dreaming20:12
the_mgtI know people buying blackberies only for a real keyboard20:13
the_mgtthat is like buying a nokia phone with a crappy deadend OS20:13
the_mgti mean old style deadand OS, like symbian20:13
r0kk3rzsome people would say the same thing about sailfish20:13
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the_mgtwell. sell sailfish phone with hw keyboard. profit20:14
tillonscreen keyboard would be indeed a reason for a slightly bigger screen than 4.5"20:14
the_mgtand those pesky waytools idiots are still not selling the textblade...20:15
r0kk3rzmaybe we need a trapezium phone, fatter at the bottom skinny at the top20:15
r0kk3rzfor vkb20:15
the_mgtor rather smarter software keyboards20:15
r0kk3rzif you have any ideas...20:16
the_mgtadd more probability. i often have a "c" instead of space between words.20:17
tillhas anyone seen such a toh for jolla: https://forum.fairphone.com/uploads/default/1638/9b5ed858f4e5b8dc.jpg ?20:17
the_mgtaccount for the probability of a certain key, add more weight to the space instead to the "c" at the end of a dictionary word20:17
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the_mgtyou do not need to make the buttons visibly bigger, just adapt the input square of the key20:20
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