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cehteh64gb with f2fs works well here00:46
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TMavicaJolla C and Aquafish band is different?07:28
the_mgtLTE bands differ, afaik07:29
TMavicaThanks07:29
TMavicaNot a big deal for me, both will work07:29
the_mgtjolla C is more europe centered, from what I understood, but I have no real clue07:30
Renaultit's likely the same hardware (make a different hardware for 1500 pieces is very expensive)07:32
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the_mgtRenault: yep, sounds possible07:37
* cb400f offers a virtual hug and pad on the back to anyone who figures how to enable the european 4g bands on the Aqua Fish ;-)07:37
cb400fI wonder if it might work out of the box, even if it's not listed in the specifications07:38
cb400fseems weird to actively disable frequencies that the hardware supports... unless there's some legal funkyness in play07:39
Renaultnop, you can have hardware which supports all/almost all bands around the world07:41
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Renaultyou much be compliant with local frequencies to work, but you can support other frequencies for the standard too07:41
cb400fso you agree there's a good chance the Aqua Fish will work with eg. 4G 800 and 2600 MHz out of the box, even if it's not listed in the specifications?07:43
Renaultbut, the software is different, it's right, and the software could enable / disable that, even if it's unlike I think07:43
cb400fsince it would make zero sense to actively block it07:43
cb400fright07:44
Renaultcb400f: yes, but, you can wait feedback from EU customer before to confirm that point07:45
Renault(some of them bought the Intex device)07:45
r0kk3rzits not impossible that the modem is a different chip07:45
cb400fyep, I'm in no particular rush. My Jolla is still working great... and I'd also like to evaluate the Turing and possibly the Fairphone :-)07:46
r0kk3rzheh, bit of a mixed bag there cb400f07:47
cb400fthey all have different strong points ;-)07:47
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r0kk3rzturing phone is probably 6-8 months off general availability, sfos fairphone who knows...07:48
cb400fhopefully Fairphone is watching everybody in Europe going nuts over the Aqua Fish ;-)07:50
r0kk3rzi think the issue is the support burden, not whether or not people want a sailfish fairphone07:50
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cb400fyeah, they should drop Android to simplify things ;-)07:52
Hellewell, I'll walk by their offices a few times on my Jolla C :P07:53
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cb400f;-)07:54
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r0kk3rzHelle: stop in, they're nice people07:59
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Heller0kk3rz: well, doing that unannounced is a bit rude08:00
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Nicd-how can I import notes from a backed up notes.sql file?08:40
Nicd-sqlite refuses to open it08:40
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HelleNicd-: isn't it just dump of statements to restore ?09:05
Nicd-oh? :D09:05
Nicd-didn't even check09:05
Helleso a text file09:05
Nicd-yes it is09:06
Nicd-hee hee09:06
Nicd-I'm stupidf09:06
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mcfrisksoo, importing jolla backup to jollac doesn't work, sigh12:03
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tadzikos versions?12:03
mcfrisk"Settings is not responding" but jolla version is 2.0.1.11 and jollac was newer12:04
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tadzikoh, but it's from-old-to-new, I'd imagine that should work fine :/12:05
Bysmyyrmcfrisk: check together12:05
mcfriskjollac version is 2.0.2.4312:06
mcfriskI saw call history moving discussed on together. did anyone copy saved wlan networks and password? I guess the magic connman dirs can be just copied over..12:07
inzIf anyone else needs to fake their GPS location, I just made this: https://github.com/inzanity/geoclue-mock (jolla pre-built rpm at http://inz.fi/geoclue-mock/ )12:10
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tadzik*sniff sniff* is someone playing pokemon go? :P12:11
inz*whistles*12:12
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Nicd-good way to get banned12:15
inzprobably12:15
Renaultyohou, Jolla C second batch is coming :)12:17
citylight2+112:17
RenaultI received the email12:17
r0kk3rzinz: perhaps an idea is to record a real GPS session, and then replay the data12:17
r0kk3rzmaybe with a bit of gaussian noise thrown in12:18
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Nicd-what's the point of cheating in such a game? you lose the whole objective of it12:20
inzNicd-, it's raining out ;)12:20
sakustarwell the game wants you to go out12:21
sakustarand walk and stuff12:21
sakustarand it doesnt track you when screen is off12:21
inzThis was just for testing on jolla, I play fair-and-square on an android phone12:22
tadzikwell, maybe someone likes the pokemon catching part but doesn't like the walking around part :)12:22
sakustaror the teenager hordes that make too much noise near pokeystops12:23
sakustar:p12:23
tadzik. o O ( damn kids get off my pallet town! )12:23
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sakustartheres also this https://github.com/kahopoon/Pokemon-Go-Controller12:24
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r0kk3rzNicd-: a large amount of the game is grinding... people made WoW bots for the same reason12:26
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mcfriskman, really really bad idea to not be backwards compatible with backups..12:29
r0kk3rzmcfrisk: 2.0.2 isnt a properly released version yet12:30
r0kk3rzand indeed, its a little rough around the edges12:30
mcfriskso basically rsync of ~/.vault from jolla1 to jollac should still work12:32
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phlixi_oso the shiping mail says, its shiped with fedex if its a phone, DHL if its not a phone ... and then at the end of the mail it says shipped with TNT12:39
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r0kk3rzphlixi_o: mine was shipped via TNT12:45
phlixi_oi read it like code, and "shipped by" seems to be mutable12:46
phlixi_othus it has to be tnt12:46
phlixi_o.-)12:46
mcfrisksigh, so rsync of .vault from jolla1 to jollac does not work12:47
phlixi_ounless the mail ought to be parsed backwards :D12:47
phlixi_oi think i remember i read on this channel, that backups from jp1301 made with current version can not be restored on jolla c12:48
phlixi_oand i think some one then said, just rsync home12:48
phlixi_obut you might want to google the log for that12:48
Renaultr0kk3rz, phlixi_o: TNT = FEDEx since May 201612:50
phlixi_osure, but for the dumb user, its two different brands12:52
phlixi_olike two different companies12:52
phlixi_oi dont know how fast they merge12:53
phlixi_oand the tracking code does not work for both, ^^12:53
Renaultyes, but maybe Jolla has contacted FedEx which redirected to TNT for this case12:54
Renaultit should happen12:54
Renaultand yes, impossible to track for the moment12:54
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LarstiQphlixi_o: try TNT Express13:00
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TMavicaLarstiQ: mine is shipped?13:02
LarstiQTMavica: didn't you get the shipping notification email just now?13:02
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Renaultin general, it takes several hours between vendor notification and track number available on Internet13:07
mcfriskwhat's the use of 'privileged' group in jolla/sailfishos? several .* files seem to have that in jollac:~/13:14
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M-schmittlauchmcfrisk: see https://together.jolla.com/question/136773/backup-restore-from-jolla1-to-c-not-work/?answer=138752#post-id-138752 for restoring the backup13:31
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mcfriskM-schmittlauch: thanks, reading that already and got settings app only confused and wanting to update backups13:33
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TMavicaLarstiQ: got it..13:46
TMavicaBut i also need call by someone..13:46
mcfrisksigh, copying .vault to jollac doesn't work at all since settings/backup insists an sdcard or cloud account..13:49
mcfriskwhat breaks if I just rsync /home/nemo from jolla1 to jollac?13:50
mcfriskand ignore this broken .vault thingy13:51
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Stskeepsmcfrisk: that's what i did13:53
Stskeeps:P13:53
Stskeepslost wifi settings and android apps but that's about it13:54
Stskeepsi'd remove the old nemo directory though13:54
tigeliyou can migrate the wifi settings too if you want, but requires some modifications to files/directories13:55
tigeli+it13:55
tigeliusually not worth it13:55
mcfrisktigeli: sigh, would be nice to not need to type all wifi passwords again..13:55
sakustarwhy dont modern phones show me wifi passwords without rooting or tampering :(13:55
mcfrisk^^!!!13:56
sakustargoogle & ms already sync em on devices13:56
tigelims does share them your buddies too :D13:57
YanielIIRC sailfish lets you view the contents of any password field on the press of a button13:57
mcfriskStskeeps: did you copy also all dot directories in ~/ ?13:57
tigelito your buddies13:57
sakustaryeah its nice13:57
tigelinot really :D13:57
sakustarno? :p13:58
tigeligoogle does not either sync them anywhere.. but you can migrate them to another device13:58
sakustari thought you had to share it to a buddy to get them to work13:58
tigelibut that goes through nfs/wlan13:58
tigelinfc13:58
tigeliargh13:58
mcfrisknfs would be nice13:58
sakustarhmm. theres a google password something for accounts, i think it stores wlans in my google acc too13:59
tigelisakustar: sure, but still.. personally nobody with windows devices is getting password to my wifis :D13:59
sakustarhad to use chrome on a pc to change netflix pw on phone13:59
sakustar5/5 ux13:59
tigelisakustar: well, that's something that chrome does14:00
sakustarandroid14:00
tigelinope14:00
tigelichrome14:00
sakustarokies14:00
sakustaridk i had the netflix app prompt something and stored wrong acc credentials :D14:00
Stskeepsmcfrisk: yes14:00
sakustarbut tigeli you are free to keep holding on to your racist thoughts about windows ;D14:02
sakustarits a nice feature as an idea at least14:02
Yaniel> racist14:02
sakustari never invite anyone over so :p14:03
mcfriskdo I brick the device if I move /home/nemo away and start from scratch?14:03
Stskeepsyes, it'll not boot likely14:03
Stskeepsmv /home/nemo in recovery is ok though14:03
Stskeepsand then replace it over usb14:03
mcfriskand recovery is usb networking or serial console or?14:04
Stskeepsyes14:04
sakustarsup Stskeeps14:05
sakustarwhys it so hot today ;_;14:05
Stskeepssakustar: enjoying my holiday14:05
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sakustarunable to enjoy atm14:05
sakustarbut nice if you can :D14:06
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TMavicaLarstiQ: I cant use the tracking number, and it said not found14:41
TMavicaalso why it use posti.fi service@@?14:41
TMavicanth...it use taqbin-hk14:42
mcfriskStskeeps: do you know what the privileged group does? /home/nemo has a several files with group set but no access rights. Feels like some black magic which can render device unbootable..14:47
Stskeepsmcfrisk: yes it seperates contacts and other stuff from regular apps14:50
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mcfriskugh, jolla1 /home/nemo doesn't fit into jollac, disk/partition full15:12
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mcfriskStskeeps: so that means that copying /home/nemo from jolla1 to jollac should be done as root via tar ball to keep permissions.15:15
mcfriskjollac home 11G, jolla1 14G. I guess some cache dirs and downloads can be skipped15:17
abranson14G on that 16G btrfs filesystem?15:17
abransonhave you got an sd mounted in there?15:18
mcfriskthat was output from df15:18
abransonif i ever got over 9.5, i'd get btrfs problems15:18
mcfriskbut my jolla1 /home/nemo does not fit jollac as it is15:18
mcfrisk.vault was 3.6G which is too much so I'll delete some backups already15:19
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abransonspace inspector from the store is handy. treemap view of your fs.15:20
mcfriskdu -k | sort -rn15:21
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silver_hookWhoops, I made a boo-boo.16:26
silver_hookI followed the following HowTo to get Google Play Services (for Pokémon Go) and ended up with Alien Dalvik simply not starting up any more at all: https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1509945&postcount=8516:27
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silver_hookWhat I think did it was copying all the files from szopin’s archive to the appropriate folders: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1510042&postcount=9316:28
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silver_hookAny ideas? Or at least where I can get back the original files from `/opt/alien/system/` (other than a factory reset)?16:45
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silver_hookeekkelund: I saw you wrote the original answer. Is there any step missing or implied, that I managed to miss in order to get to the current issue (see ^^)?17:08
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r0kk3rzsilver_hook: http://www.htheb.com/list/jolla/apps/PlayStoreforJolla/JollaC/ReadMe.txt17:09
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silver_hookr0kk3rz: I’m on Jolla 1 (or whathever the Jolla Phone is called nowadays)17:10
silver_hook…if it makes any difference.17:10
r0kk3rzit does17:10
r0kk3rzbut im not sure if pokego works on jolla 1 due to old android version17:11
silver_hookr0kk3rz: Pokemon Go works on Jolla 1 …or did, until I messed up my dalvik :P17:13
suosaaskiJolla Jolla17:15
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silver_hookr0kk3rz: I’ll try the readme you posted. I already obtained the files :)17:16
r0kk3rzsilver_hook: best not, as thats for jolla c17:17
silver_hookr0kk3rz: What’s the big difference?17:19
r0kk3rztheres stuff on tjc for the jphone17:19
r0kk3rzsilver_hook: jolla c has android 4.4, and things changed17:19
silver_hookr0kk3rz: Ah, OK. I would expect the updates to trickle into jphone as well…17:20
silver_hookhttps://together.jolla.com/question/137981/gps-in-modified-pokemon-go/17:20
r0kk3rzsilver_hook: yeah it doesnt work like that with the android support unforunately17:21
silver_hookSo this then? https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play-on-original-jolla-phone-sbj/17:21
r0kk3rzthat sounds like it17:22
silver_hookr0kk3rz: Cool, thanks :)17:28
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* silver_hook crosses his fingers that the files that will be overwritten are the same as he already overwrote with the JollaC version17:29
silver_hookBTW, what’s the package manager on Jolla again? I can’t find neither apt-get nor zypper.17:32
Helleyum17:33
tevepkcon17:33
Helleoh, right, oops17:33
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silver_hookteve: Aaaah, right. Thanks :D17:37
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silver_hookAny idea how to fix this error in `pkcon update`?18:04
silver_hookFatal error: File './noarch/droid-system-packager-0.1.8-10.3.1.jolla.noarch.rpm' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/2.0.1.11/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/?credentials=store'18:05
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r0kk3rzsilver_hook: pkcon refresh18:23
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rubdosSomeone wants to help debug my Jolla? It's broken. I'll explain:19:00
rubdosCurrently on vacation in Denmark (aka., roaming)19:00
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rubdosPrevious week, I stayed at a place that crashed my network stack every time. Didn't care enough because I only stayed three days.19:01
rubdosNow, on the motorway (my father drove, no worries), I thought to have the same problem.19:01
rubdosBy network stack crashing, I mean, the 4G/3G/2G losing it completely until next boot.19:02
rubdosBut today, after reboot, it didn't get better.19:02
rubdosBefore it crashed, though, I was sending a text (a short one). It crashed in the middle of sending it.19:03
eekkelundsilver_hook: Did you manage?19:04
rubdosNow it still tries to send that same text on every boot. Sometimes I cannot even get to my contact list.19:04
rubdosdmesg follows, gimme a sec19:04
rubdoshttp://pastebin.com/raw/g3HWE6iQ19:04
rubdosdf -h shows enough space available19:05
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rubdosOh, and trying to delete or send a message in Messages also segfaults the Messages app19:09
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r0kk3rzhttp://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/7/26/12285150/blackberry-dtek50-android-smartphone-announcement-price19:12
r0kk3rzoh bb what are you even doing19:13
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rubdosStill same problems with SD card19:19
rubdosSIM*19:19
silver_hookr0kk3rz: Thanks, that did it.19:20
rubdoswithout*19:29
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rubdosCannot seem to get into jolla zendesk either19:40
rubdosDon't they just have an email?19:40
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silver_hookeekkelund: Nope, it seems that by first following the Jolla C procedure, I overwrote some parts of /opt/alien/system/ that I shouldn’t have.19:54
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eekkelundDamn, yea those files are for JollaC..19:57
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silver_hookeekkelund: Yea, with r0kk3rz’s help I found the right HowTo for the Jolla1/jPhone, but Alien Dalvik won’t start anymore.20:01
silver_hooksystemctl output: https://dpaste.de/ipTO20:01
silver_hookIs there a way to reinstall those Alien Dalvik files via `pkcon` or is it (as I fear) a completely separate thing since it’s in “/opt/”?20:03
silver_hookIf the latter, can some kind soul provide me with the tarball of the clean /opt/alien/system/app /opt/alien/system/framework /opt/alien/system/priv-app20:04
eekkelundYou could try this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1406350&postcount=4720:05
eekkelundHelped me :)20:05
silver_hookeekkelund: Ah, thanks :) I’m in the middle of `pkcon install aliendalvik` …if it fails, I’ll try that.20:06
r0kk3rzsilver_hook: afaik there is a 'fix shit' pkcon command flag20:08
silver_hookr0kk3rz, eekkelund: Well, I’ll be … `pkcon install aliendalvik` fixed it.20:09
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silver_hookeekkelund, r0kk3rz: I still have some of the files left that I previously installed for Jolla C.20:09
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silver_hookSeems to work now :)20:13
silver_hookStill, I’m not entirely pleased to have some extra files lurking around (and from a wrong version). I’ll clean that up later using the TMO post you sent me.20:13
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rubdosTypical btrfs -ENOSP. Fixing it.20:19
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eekkelundYeah cleaning with those commands should help :)20:41
eekkelundsilver_hook ^20:42
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LarstiQrubdos: found https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new ?20:55
rubdosLarstiQ, yes20:55
rubdosdoesn't work20:55
rubdosprobably too much blockers here and there20:55
rubdosboth qutebrowser and firefox don't let me in :o20:56
rubdosbut I'm fighting some btrfs stuff.20:56
rubdosit's ENOSPC20:56
rubdoshave experience with that20:56
rubdosif it still doesn't work, I'll try chromium or something alike20:56
rubdosyiss, btrfs balance start has started20:57
rubdosbtrfs always breaks. But I have enough knowledge to fix it now :D20:58
rubdosusing it on my laptop too. Loving it, but when it breaks.20:59
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masque``/quit21:34
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silver_hookeekkelund: I’ll clean up now :) Does Pokemon Go work with on Jolla with Google accounts or just the Pokemon ones?21:48
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junnuviloving btrfs? sound like a serius mental health problem :D :D22:08
junnuvi+s22:08
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M-schmittlauchbtrfs is great as long as you use a recent kernel and have > 1 GiB of free space22:12
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M4rtinKand as long as you don't put any important data on it & are very lucky :)22:17
M4rtinKthen BTRFS is fine :)22:17
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silver_hookeekkelund, r0kk3rz: Works now, thanks :) Logging in via Google still doesn’t but that seems to be the mod’s fault.22:44
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M4rtinKsilver_hook: I'm having some issues with GPS22:59
M4rtinKred bar in upper part of the screen & "no GPS signal"22:59
M4rtinKany pointers what to try ?22:59
silver_hookM4rtinK: Installing Google Maps and Google Services (and making sure the GPS is on in the first place) did it for me.23:01
M4rtinKI have both23:01
M4rtinKBTW, I have followed this guide: https://together.jolla.com/question/139250/how-to-pokemon-go-with-gps/23:03
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M4rtinKgoogle play services from here:23:05
M4rtinKhttps://together.jolla.com/question/5771/google-play-services/?answer=51677#post-id-5167723:05
M4rtinKand Google Maps work fine23:05
M4rtinKso its weird23:05
silver_hookM4rtinK: Well, there’s also that GPS is just weird in Pokemon Go.23:09
silver_hookIn the end I followed – for Jolla Phone (*not* tablet or C):23:09
silver_hookTo clean up everything (warning: deletes all you have from Android) http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1406350&postcount=4723:10
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silver_hookThen set up the GApps etc.: https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play-on-original-jolla-phone-sbj/23:10
M4rtinKyeah23:10
M4rtinKits funny that a location based app is picky about GPS access :)23:11
silver_hookAfter that I just installed Google Maps and all that it wanted.23:11
silver_hookyea, odd23:11
M4rtinKI've found something about updating google play services23:12
M4rtinKlets see if it helps :)23:12
silver_hookthat, yes23:13
M4rtinKworks now :)23:15
silver_hook\o/23:16
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M4rtinKI've added it as a comment to the guide, just in case :)23:22
M4rtinKanyway, sleep time :)23:22
M4rtinKthere are Pokemons to hunt tomorrow! :D23:22
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silver_hookSame here…23:24
silver_hookGreat, thanks!23:24
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M-schmittlauchWhich is the current SFOS version for the JollaC? I saw people writing about 2.0.2.45, I'm still on 4323:30
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