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tillhi, currently the best option for a Jolla spare battery is still a htc desire 310 one?09:12
chopixhello09:12
chopixwhat mail client do you use on ur phones?09:12
tillchopix: the builtin one09:12
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chopixtill: I wish I could but its a bit "primitive" no native alternative I guess?09:13
tillyou might try an android client, like k9mail, if the native one is not sufficient09:14
r0kk3rznobody has bothered to write one09:14
tillfor me the native one has it's flaws, but is "sufficient"09:14
evenfallr0kk3rz: the developer base is tiny09:14
r0kk3rzevenfall: so? i see lots of people complaining, but things like apps can be replaced quite happily09:15
chopixI am not complaining I was just checking it there was an alternative09:16
chopixbeside android09:16
tillmaybe some cli-based ones09:16
chopixthats not an "alternative"09:17
chopix:D09:17
tillor some web-interface stuff09:17
chopixwhat about gps/driving stuff?09:17
chopixwhat do you guys use?09:18
evenfalltill: good luck trying to use webmail in the sailfish browser :D09:18
till"HERE WeGo", or what it's called today09:18
chopixtill: anything with offline support?09:18
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tillhere wego supports offline maps09:18
tillunfortunately only one destination, and no alternative routes09:19
chopixYou sure? I see no options do dowload maps^^09:19
tillyou have the android one? it's right in the main menu09:19
chopixTrue09:19
chopixjust found it09:19
tillhowever, I did a small hack to put the maps on the sd card09:20
chopixis there a native version since you specificed "android one" ?09:20
tillthere was an here-based native map application, but it sucks :D09:20
tillevenfall: actually, the owncloud webmail app has a mobile interface :D09:21
tilllooks quite usable09:21
evenfalltill: the browser itself is quite bad09:21
chopixoh btw whatsup stopped working on sailfish too or just harmattan?09:21
evenfalltill: so you will still need an android browser and you could probably use an android mail client in that case09:22
tilli switched to android whatsapp some month ago, I don't have time to fight with facebook for unblocking me again09:22
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tillevenfall: why an android browser? I can use owncloud's webinterface with the native one09:22
chopixyeah I was banned on my n9 on june09:22
chopixyou managed to get unbanned?09:22
tillwell, after some month they unblock you automatically, and I have two numbers on my mobile09:23
tillbut it was a hassle to switch it, and to tell all my contacts...09:23
chopixAnyone still using whatsup09:23
chopixon sailfish?09:23
chopixI'd rather use native09:23
tillme too, but in case of whatsapp that simply does not work, unfortunatley09:24
tillif you need reliable service09:25
tillplus I can use whatsapp web now, which is kind of nice :D09:26
chopixi used vlc09:26
chopixon my n909:26
chopixlong ago09:26
chopixwhatsapp web09:27
chopix*long before09:27
r0kk3rzchopix: we had like 3 different whatsapp clients and people kept getting banned09:28
r0kk3rzwe tried.09:28
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chopixSoundwave hasn't been ported?09:30
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chopixwhat about an app for maps09:37
chopixwithout driving?09:37
chopixlike nokia maps09:37
evenfallwhat about them? look in the store and warehouse09:38
evenfallthere's a bunch, although they don't work very well09:39
chopixanything you suggest?09:39
evenfallI use an android map app09:39
chopixname?09:39
evenfallwon't help you, it's region-specific09:40
evenfallgotta go, bbl09:40
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tillchopix maep is quite nice, but no routing09:46
Bysmyyrhere is good(an dfound in jollastore09:46
Nicd-here is in jolla store? you mean aptoide?09:47
r0kk3rzno, harbour09:48
chopixmaep has no offline options right?09:48
tillit has caching09:48
tillNicd- here we go is in the jolla store , and since some days available for Jolla 1 as well09:49
chopixwhy here we go doesn't allove use as map09:49
Nicd-whoa09:50
Nicd-is it just navigation?09:50
chopixy09:50
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chopixor i don't know how to use it as a map09:50
tillwhat do you mean "use as map"09:50
tillyou can watch the map, mark points and navigate09:51
chopixwell like nokia maps, use it let's say in a city to reach a determined point without having to set a starting point09:51
chopixbut the starting point is the one you are at the moment09:51
tillbut that's navigation?09:51
tillthe starting point defaults to your location, if you don't specify it09:52
Nicd-it starts in map mode for me09:52
Nicd-I can mark points with starts too09:52
Nicd-though needs signin09:53
r0kk3rzhere wego *is* nokia maps09:53
chopixtill: hmm? seems i need to set a starting point in here we go09:53
tillchopix do you have gps enabled?09:53
chopixy09:53
tilland you see your location on the map? then you should not need to specify a starting point09:54
chopixhmm09:54
chopixi don't actually see my location09:54
tillmaybe your gps is not working properly09:55
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r0kk3rzworks fine for me, but if it doesnt know where you are that probably doesnt help09:56
chopixgoing outside09:56
chopixto check09:56
chopixbrb09:56
tillyou should see at least an approximate position, symbolized by a green circle, via cell positioning09:57
tillmaybe a reboot fixes the problem09:57
chopixok outside it works10:01
chopixit surely has poorer gps than the n910:01
chopixcompass doesnt work but this was expected since its missing10:02
till:D10:02
chopixall the intex phones lack compass10:03
chopixi wonder why10:03
tillmaybe to expensive to add10:03
chopixchecked out of curiosity on their website before buying the aqua fish10:03
r0kk3rzimo its quite impressive for an 80€ device10:05
evenfallyeah, although some of the compromises are probably entirely marketing-driven10:07
evenfalllike the hi-res screen coupled with a low-power GPU10:07
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chopixits a bit too big10:08
chopixtbh10:08
r0kk3rzchopix: why did you stop using the n9 if you like it so much :P10:08
YanielRe whatsapp IIRC the native app devs also got cease&desist letters from WA10:09
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chopixr0kk3rz: whatsup stopped working/the battery was lasting 3 hours/web browsing became a pain the ass10:10
paopenvpn question again: could someone with working openvpn setup paste what route -n says after the vpn has been succesfully established?10:10
r0kk3rzYaniel: yeah they did, basically if you can help it dont use whatsapp because they're actively user hostile10:11
YanielAye10:11
chopixyeah I knew cepi10:12
tillpa: http://pastebin.com/dTrAy2C410:12
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patill, but do you route all traffic through the vpn?10:14
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paaccording to that table, 0.0.0.0 goes to wlan010:14
tilllet me check10:14
tillpa: whatismyip.com shows the vpn server's ip10:15
chopix^r0kk3rz: btw what kind of jolla u got?10:15
patill, aha.. weird then..10:15
pai have a similar routing table10:15
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tillpa: and securefishnet has "default gw" enabled10:16
pai can reach the vpn server10:16
pabut i cant reach anything else10:16
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tilldid you set up routing on the server side?10:16
pamaybe it's a mistake in the vpn server masquerading10:16
palet me check10:16
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r0kk3rzchopix^: i got jolla phone and jolla c10:19
tillafaik I added routing via iptables and enabled something in /sys :)10:20
r0kk3rzchopix^: but i never had an n9, i dont miss anything :)10:20
chopix^what you had before?10:21
r0kk3rzhtc android phone10:22
tillbrb, lunch time10:22
patill, you were right. works now :-)10:22
pamy bad10:22
pabtw is it still possilbe to request a jolla c developer device? or apply for one?10:23
chopix^not afik10:23
Jopealll gone10:24
chopix^anyway getting an intex and playing the customs lottery may result in a cheaper device10:24
Jopehas the community already figured out how to debrand it?10:25
r0kk3rzthe limited edition back cover is worth the price difference10:25
chopix^all I did was uninstall the gaana app10:25
chopix^btw I am waiting for some madman to try to flash the LTE module10:25
chopix^with the Jolla C version to see what happens10:26
chopix^:D10:26
chopix^i go eat too, brb10:26
Jopemad mensch10:26
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r0kk3rzJope: is that a tv show about advertisers in stuttgart?10:53
Jopeperhaps10:55
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chopix^so r0kk3rz how do you compare the sfos with android u used before?11:04
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r0kk3rzchopix^: its good, i like it. last android i used regularly was version 4.4 or something11:09
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chopix^and why did you get a sailfish device in the first place?11:10
r0kk3rzi wanted something a bit more linuxy than android11:13
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phlixi_ochopix^: you didnt ask me, but i answer anyways :D fire up your wireshark and you will see, android is talking to google about anythign you can imagine (and worse) up to several times a second. i dont like that. i also dont like apples walled garden (but they collect plus points in the privacy topic, once they offer me to host my own icloud, i am sold - of course that wont happen)11:25
phlixi_othus only n900 and its successors are left.11:25
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phlixi_owhile android and apple are far superior if you dont account for the privacy issues, there is only sailfish left atm11:25
chopix^exactly my reasons11:26
chopix^but i never used an android/ios11:26
chopix^before11:26
chopix^i imagine it would be hard to switch since all the apps/features missing11:27
phlixi_owell, depends11:27
chopix^already hard coming from a n9 lol11:27
r0kk3rzyou dont miss features you dont use11:28
r0kk3rztheres a lot of stuff on android i never bothered with11:28
phlixi_oi have android and ios devices since i need them for testing (using 99% only chrome/safari on them), but for privat usei follow the maemo line^^11:29
phlixi_oi missed the lowpower screen from n911:30
phlixi_owell, got used to it^^11:30
chopix^u need oled for that11:30
phlixi_oi understand why its not there ;)11:30
chopix^btw the intex/jolla11:31
phlixi_obut i got used to not having it anymore11:31
chopix^has some bshit wifi11:31
phlixi_oso far i had no problems with the wifi of my jolla c11:31
chopix^cant use ssh over wifi11:31
chopix^it freezes11:31
phlixi_o(but i remember not being able with one n9 to connect to the wifi at work)11:32
chopix^ssh over wifi works fine for u?11:32
phlixi_oon the jolla 1 no problems11:32
chopix^jolla c?11:32
phlixi_oon the jolla c i do not remember problmes, but can not test atm11:33
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phlixi_obut i have to admit, until now i did not use the jolla c a lot11:33
chopix^anyone has the same problem?11:33
phlixi_obut it sounds weird to me, that combination of ssh over wifi11:35
chopix^what you mean?11:35
phlixi_odont get me wrong, thats totaly not weird...11:35
phlixi_obut that there should be a problem with ssh only over wifi, and not problem with wifi otherwise11:35
JvD_any other protocols that runon top of tcp have any problem?11:36
phlixi_oand vice versa11:36
tillsometimes I have problems with ssh over usb as well, might be caused by device lock or standby mode11:37
JvD_i had problems with tcp connections on one direction. the connection just froze. eventually i amanged to to find out that my operator had router with incorrect mtu11:38
JvD_workaround was to drop mtu if my device11:38
chopix^till: yeah if I unlock the screen it revive the ssh session...11:38
chopix^huge ping spikes11:39
chopix^meh11:39
phlixi_oqah11:40
phlixi_oah11:40
phlixi_oyes, of course11:40
phlixi_othe jolla sleeps a lot11:40
phlixi_owell, thats a price to pay11:40
phlixi_o....for long batterylife11:41
chopix^trying to lower mtu on wlan11:41
JvD_try to drop it on your jolla device11:41
chopix^yeah did that11:41
JvD_and see if that helps11:41
phlixi_oi also remember that i thought there is something broken when i switched from n9 to jolla111:41
phlixi_ototally forgot about that, since i am used to it now11:42
chopix^not helping11:42
phlixi_osometimes you have to wake the device (double tapping screen), otherwise it wont answer if you try to ssh into it11:42
phlixi_oit can go pretty quickly into that mode11:42
phlixi_owell, i consider this kind of a feature11:43
phlixi_obut thats true, if you are coming from n9/00 you dont know this, since they answer all the time, even if you did not touch the phone for a day (if it still has power^^)11:43
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ppIIRC you can disable it (with very bad battery life)11:50
ppbut also disable it when charging11:50
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chopix^it's not that its something else11:51
chopix^i have packet loss and spikes even with the screen on it seems11:51
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phlixi_obut only with ssh?11:54
chopix^seems so11:55
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chopix^btw it seems something related to power saving, you were right11:55
chopix^trying to disable wlan power management11:58
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chopix^where are the network setting stored in sailfish?12:05
till /var/lib/conman12:07
chopix^ty12:11
chopix^disabline power saver on wlan made the situation much better12:13
chopix^i still have spikes and packet loss but i can use ssh now12:13
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njeansAhoy!12:37
njeansAnyone? I needed a lil help.12:38
LarstiQnjeans: it's better to ask your question than to ask if you can ask it12:38
njeansIsorry. I wanted help in porting an androip app over to sailfish.12:39
njeansThe app is opensource and is on github, since i am new to this field, i dont know where to begin with.12:39
taaemnjeans: #sailfishos12:39
njeanstaaem ")12:40
taaemthis is more general and so develupment oriented :P12:40
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chopix^coderus: so your friends tried to flash the modem firmware of the jolla c on the aqua fish with no avail right?16:09
coderuschopix^: right16:14
chopix^I still believe it's a software issue, I don't think they made 1500 devices with different modems16:15
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coderusdifferent modems and/maybe lack of antennas for wanted frequencies16:18
chopix^doubt it16:18
chopix^were your friends able to reflash the old firmware btw?16:19
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coderusi am here not to urge someone16:22
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jerom3Hello here18:44
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jerom3I buy intex aquafish from india, i live in france but i cannot connect on 4G, only 3G works. you think problem come from my network operator?18:52
phlixi_i think bands are not compatible18:53
phlixi_well, i dont know, but thats was i suspect and would check18:53
jerom32600mhz outch19:01
mal-intex aquafish only supports one of the frequencies used in europe for 4G, that is the one with usually worse coverage19:01
jerom3ok thanks for the reply19:03
mal-it's not known if that is just firmware difference or if the hardware is also different19:03
chopixthe modem is the qualcomm X%19:03
chopixX519:03
chopixand it supports all the LTE frequencies19:03
chopixglobal wide19:04
jerom3it's very hard to find sailfish device in EU19:04
mal-antenna could be different19:04
chopixbut it doesn't work on the intex devices so far19:04
chopixcould be antenna, firmware/os restictions19:04
mal-yep19:04
chopixi am optimist and I think its a combo with fw and os19:05
chopixsince ppl tried flashing fw and it doesnt work19:05
chopixprobably need fw AND something sailfishos side19:05
jerom3i see this discussion -> https://together.jolla.com/question/137336/lte-with-jolla-c/  not related ?19:06
chopixthis is more recent19:06
chopixhttps://together.jolla.com/question/142007/how-to-unlock-lte-bands-europe-on-intex-aqua-fish/?sort=latest#sort-top19:06
mal-the was/is some issue with one eu frequency in jolla c19:07
jerom3ok ty chopix19:07
chopixI advise you to just wait so far, you may brick your intex19:08
jerom3wait an update ?19:08
chopixyeah19:09
mal-chopix: looks like there is a fix for jolla c, not yet released though19:09
jerom3ok19:09
jerom3many months waiting a device with sailfish, i have install sailfish on my nexus 5 but no update, no android support ...19:10
jerom3very cool OS19:10
mal-there is the wip community android support for ported devices, not complete yet, it's basically android running inside sailfish19:12
mal-or parallel to it in a way19:12
jerom3yep but my nexus need to go into retirement :p19:13
phlixi_check #apkenv for the android stuff if interested19:24
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mal-phlixi_: it's actually on #sfdroid now19:29
phlixi_they should put in the topic of #apkenv then^^19:30
mal-phlixi_: nobody seems to have ops, not sure about how freenode works so no idea how to get those back if possible19:32
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phlixi_channel modes are #apkenv +cnt which means, no colors, no external messages and, tada, only ops can set topic :-)19:37
mal-phlixi_: yes, that's why I told nobody has ops19:39
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phlixi_i guess i missunderstood you "how frenode works" then... probably one would have to ask ircops, but its probably not that important...19:56
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mal-phlixi_: that was referencing whether getting ops back is possible or not20:00
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Yanielfreenode policy is to not keep op status when not needed20:04
Yanielchanserv can set it to people in the access list of registered channels20:04
mal-no idea if that channel is registered or not20:05
Yanielsaid people can also ask chanserv to manipulate the channel directly20:05
Yanieltry asking chanserv about it20:05
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mal-looks like it's registered20:07
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Yanielthen check the access list for ops20:10
Yanielor ask in the channel20:10
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