#jollamobile log for Saturday, 2016-09-17

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TMavicaSim card with different country bugs raised05:08
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pdanekGood morning11:11
pdanekDo you guys know any trick how to get Tele2 30-day contract in Sweden?11:11
pdanekI just moved here but they require Swedish ID11:12
pdanekprepaid cards are just stealing11:12
pdanekI thought of asking my colleague at work to order it for me.11:12
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r0kk3rzsurely a passport would suffice11:20
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zebbiz_pir0kk3rz: No, I don't think so. What's needed isn't an ID to show who you are, but a number with your birthdate and something else to bind to you as a person14:29
zebbiz_piIf pdanek just moved to Sweden it will take a while before he gets one14:30
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Stskeepsa passport number is usually OK in other countriew14:33
Stskeepseven wit personal ID numbe3s14:33
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r0kk3rzzebbiz_pi: yeah right, obviously something strict in sweden15:18
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zebbiz_piI've heard horror stories of people that move here and can't get a job because they don't have a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity_number_(Sweden) and they can't get a pid because they don't have a job15:21
zebbiz_piEverything here is bound to that number15:22
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urswhat? Even I have a swedish personal number, and I have neither lived nor worked in sweden.15:28
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zebbiz_piurs: Finland?15:37
ursWell, I'm german, but I live in Finland. I just needed a swedish number for some science business with KTH, so I simply applied for one and got it immediately.15:38
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r0kk3rzmust be the swedes trying to take over again :)15:38
zebbiz_piurs: That's most likely a co-ordination number15:39
zebbiz_piPeople who have no Swedish personal identity number can receive a co-ordination number (Swedish: samordningsnummer) instead. It is issued by the Tax Agency at the request of a public agency. It is used for contact between a person and an agency which would otherwise require the use of a personal identity number, for example for people staying less than a year in the country or for Swedish citizens who have never been residents of Sweden.15:39
ursah, that might be.15:39
zebbiz_pir0kk3rz: Yeah, but this time we won't invade russia until we have the rest of the world15:40
r0kk3rzzebbiz_pi: probably a good move15:42
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r0kk3rzhttps://together.jolla.com/question/145432/announcement-upcoming-sailfish-os-developer-trainings-in-russia-october-2016/15:48
r0kk3rzi wonder how many they'll get along to those things15:48
Stskeepssurprisingily well visited15:50
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pdanekr0kk3rz: no passport doesn't suffice here16:05
pdanekI went to all major mobile operators here in Sweden, all of them require Swedish ID / citizenship16:06
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MikaelaSwedes don't care about tourism or internationality so much? If you are still talking about getting prepaid SIM?16:18
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FireFlyHmm, I don't really have any idea..16:45
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FireFlyBut yeah, I've read too that it's surprisingly tricky to do just about anything without a personal number/similar16:47
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pdanekMikaela: I'm talking about contracts, just 30 day contract19:17
pdanekPrepaid sims are fine, but they are completely useless in Sweden.19:18
pdanek50 gigabytes of data on 30day contract is for 250 krona, while 12 gigabytes on prepaid is for 400 krona19:18
pdanekand 12 is maximum, if I want more, I have to pay 400+400+40019:18
pdanekand my mobile data usage per month is around 40GB19:18
ShadowJK_hm19:18
pdanekso prepaid is not an option for me in Sweden19:18
ShadowJK_I wonder if TeliaSonera in Finland has prepaids with free nordic roaming19:19
pdanekI have free roaming in Sweden with Three UK19:19
pdanekbut roaming usually doesn't support 4G/LTE19:19
pdanekinly 3G19:19
ShadowJK_I had SIM from Sonera in Finland to get interwebs in Sweden and Norway, and it worked on 4G too19:20
ShadowJK_oh wait, prepaids usually don't do roaming at all19:21
ShadowJK_are you moving to sweden for a longer time?19:21
r0kk3rz40gb a month? thats a lot of youtube19:22
ShadowJK_I have an ipcamera to keep track of what the puppy is doing19:23
ShadowJK_The App for it navigates through nat and firewalls, but eats gigabytes per hour even when not showing anything :)19:24
ShadowJK_It's rather impressive how much data it can burn, more than just constant video stream19:24
pdanekShadowJK_: I plan to be in Sweden 6 months19:25
pdanekr0kk3rz: usually a lot of HD youtube and skype calls19:25
pdanek30-40G is just phone usage19:26
pdanekif I do tethering it would be more of course, but at home I have wifi19:26
kimmolii considered my 10-20G a heavy use.. but not then19:34
pdanekIs Sailfish OS having same speed of development now as in the beginning?19:38
pdanekor is it still impacted by the financial issues by not having enough people?19:39
kimmoliyes19:40
zebbiz_pipdanek: Can you get a temp id?19:41
zebbiz_piPeople who have no Swedish personal identity number can receive a co-ordination number (Swedish: samordningsnummer) instead. It is issued by19:41
zebbiz_pi                      the Tax Agency at the request of a public agency. It is used for contact19:41
zebbiz_pi                      between a person and an agency which would otherwise require the use of a19:42
zebbiz_pi                      personal identity number, for example for people staying less than a year in19:42
zebbiz_pi                      the country or for Swedish citizens who have never been residents of Sweden.19:42
zebbiz_pi                      It is structured along the same lines, but with the day in the date of birth19:42
zebbiz_pi                      advanced by 60 (giving a number between 61 and 91).19:42
zebbiz_piOh, shit19:42
zebbiz_pisorry19:42
zebbiz_pibut yeah, you should be able to get one of those19:43
pdanekhmm19:49
pdanekI will need to look into this then19:49
pdanekthanks19:49
zebbiz_pipdanek: https://www.skatteverket.se/servicelankar/otherlanguages/inenglish/individualsandemployees/movingtosweden.4.7be5268414bea064694c40c.html19:54
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pdanekzebbiz_pi: thank you19:59
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Milo-darn it. jtablet is not starting up after fully charging it22:51
Milo-well, luckily recovery boot worked22:55
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Milo-15 minutes later and the stubborn device is refusing to see my wifi network. lovely23:09
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