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till-is 2.0.4 out yet?09:51
larstiqno09:52
tango_does it support wpa-eap yet? 8-)09:53
till-just wondering because of https://together.jolla.com/question/146274/changelog-204fiskarsinjoki/09:53
pp_is 2.0.3 out yet? :P09:53
larstiqpp_: yes09:54
larstiqtill-: it's halfway out the door09:54
till-so it's time to start a backup? :)09:54
r0kk3rzwoo update!09:55
* larstiq would do that when your device sees it09:55
till-so it's more a matter of days than hours?09:55
r0kk3rz"Add missing symbols for Qualcomm Camera HAL." - does this fix the annoying shutter sound on jolla c?09:56
larstiqtill-: yeah, maybe bit longer.09:56
till-okay, thanks for the info. afaik the last time the changelog was published shortly after the release note and the availablity09:56
larstiqtill-: there is a hurdle atm, and we're buys this week09:57
till-no rush, I was just curious :)09:57
r0kk3rzyaay new embedlite10:00
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tango_2410:33
jpaanais 2.0.4 coming with Qt 5.6 as there are quite a few mentions of that in the changelog?10:34
larstiqjpaana: not in 2.0.4 as more needs to be done compared to what you see in the changelog10:36
larstiqbut some prep work for it is in 2.0.410:36
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r0kk3rzfpd - fingerprint daemon cool10:43
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r0kk3rzwow. 2 years after a working patch they've put in a UI for conference calling10:45
jpaanalarstiq, ok thanks, good to know10:46
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TMavicaUpdate cancelled? 😑13:19
Yanielharbour got scared by the onslaught of people13:20
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TMavicalarstiq: cancelled?14:22
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larstiqTMavica: no, just changelog bit ahead14:31
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TMavicanice14:43
TMavicastanding by14:43
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r0kk3rz"Andromeda is a hybrid of Android and Chrome OS" - well that was the worst kept secret in the world15:02
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Stskeepsr0kk3rz: 10 bucks it's just a VR thing giving you chromeos in VR15:07
Stskeeps:P15:07
r0kk3rzStskeeps: http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/09/26/exclusive-google-is-planning-a-pixel-3-laptop-running-the-andromeda-os-for-release-in-q3-2017/15:07
r0kk3rzapparently goog is building a surface pro15:08
Jopehmmh15:08
JopeI liked the chromebook pixel.. I had the first one back in the day15:09
Jopevery nice hw but not enough storage :-D15:09
Jopethese days sd cards are large enough that it would be a different story15:09
r0kk3rzits chromeos, you're supposed to store it in 'the cloud'15:09
Siddewhere google owns you and your private life15:10
Siddehurray for the cloud...15:10
Joper0kk3rz, I ran xubuntu on it15:10
Jopechromeos was terrible, I tried it briefly before clearing the emmc15:10
r0kk3rzheh nice15:11
r0kk3rzi was tempted to do similar15:11
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r0kk3rzbut the pricetag was too much to swallow15:11
Jopeyep, twas expensive15:13
Jopewell, I was an OQO man too .. they weren't cheap either15:13
Jopehad the 01+ and the 0215:13
Jopesold the 01+ to finance the 02 tho :-D15:14
r0kk3rzi was unemployed and my laptop broke, so i was slightly more price sensitive than usual15:14
JopeI can imagine yes15:15
JopeI had a fat severance pkg from nokia back then so it was not as much of an issue15:15
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SebthreeBQM10HDhi15:27
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges_, ping15:27
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roboroanybody else have an issue with the tablet where the screen blanks whenever there is a notification?16:19
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SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, you have the tablet hmm16:21
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, one of the lucky few16:21
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, I like many got a 1st partial refund, I spent mine rather quick16:21
SebthreeBQM10HDwhen the second half comes or not, that depends16:22
roboro:) I got in there super quick when they announced it...16:22
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, whats it like?  and does  it get enough updates now or not?16:23
roboroI'm mostly happy that I got it... but I am not so convinced that a huge amount of development will go into it in the future unless other manufacturers start making similar devices16:24
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, I have to make do with Ubunu tablet and remix ultra tablet16:24
SebthreeBQM10HDand a broekn a bit still ipad air if i want to use that16:24
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, I think they ame out with a new phone for the indian market or something16:24
SebthreeBQM10HDI read something before16:24
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, indeed though Jolla doesn't seem to have much potenail at becoming more popular, as in the like Firefox popular we have had for lots of yers16:25
SebthreeBQM10HDit's not quite main streame but it's known by many16:25
SebthreeBQM10HDget what I mean?16:25
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, Ubuntu has the vision and potentail at doing something like that though it seems to me, but certain things are  holindg that back for now, lack of native apps etc16:25
roboroyep... the android vm helps for Jolla... but native app development has definitely slowed down16:26
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, yeah indeed the android app compatability is good with Jolla16:27
SebthreeBQM10HDand I guess TIzen too16:27
SebthreeBQM10HDuhmm Tizen well16:27
SebthreeBQM10HDturns out my Tizen phone is already in the UK16:27
SebthreeBQM10HDbut I didn't know, so  didn't get it today16:27
SebthreeBQM10HDcoudn't answer door then16:27
SebthreeBQM10HDwas at home though16:27
SebthreeBQM10HDbut they will re deliver tommorow16:27
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, I am doing an event aimed at general public for next month16:27
SebthreeBQM10HDwhere going to do some desktop linuxey stuf so ubuntu mostly16:28
SebthreeBQM10HD,but I also want to do some mobile Linux16:28
SebthreeBQM10HDshow some mobile linux in a few forms16:28
roboroI'll be interested to see how Tizen does... but in the end I think I will try to stick with Jolla for as far as it goes16:28
SebthreeBQM10HDUbuntu, Jolla, Tizen, and I guess even Firefox OS a bit since I got one16:28
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, yeah Jolla is nice, but why stick with it in your case?16:29
SebthreeBQM10HDbut I don't think it's going to quite go main stremae or something close, as in like how Firefox did16:29
SebthreeBQM10HDseems the only player that has a chance at doing something like that maybe in the next few years, and actsaully wants to properly do it as a vender as well, is Ubuntu16:29
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SebthreeBQM10HD roboro Tizen has the advantage of having sAMSUNG behind it16:31
SebthreeBQM10HDa big trusted name brand company by the main stremae16:31
SebthreeBQM10HDpeople think SAMSUNG IS so good16:31
roboroyeah... will just have to see what the future holds16:32
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, I think if Samsung decided not to tell Android phones anymore,  and go all tizen everywhere, they could do it, and still get quite a lot of sales16:32
SebthreeBQM10HDsell not tell above16:32
SebthreeBQM10HDnot sell16:32
roboroproblem will be the market for apps16:32
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, how would you promote Jolla to the general public?16:32
SebthreeBQM10HDwell Tizen has a Android compataiblty layour thing like Jolla as well16:33
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, do you think Jolla is even for the general public if only they knew, or not?16:33
roboroI think Jolla messed up pretty badly with the tablet16:34
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, well yeah there's that16:35
robororeputation with the public is damaged16:35
SebthreeBQM10HDinvester issues etc, so the problems getting the tablet out to lots of people16:35
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, but I think the phone is still on sale?16:35
SebthreeBQM10HDcould the phone be suitable enough for lots of non geeks as well16:35
SebthreeBQM10HDthat's  my question16:35
SebthreeBQM10HDbasically16:35
roborosure... but who wants to buy one from a company that looks like it is struggling to stay afloat16:35
SebthreeBQM10HDwell yes that's a point as well16:36
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, is it easy to just use like a android phone etc? do ou think16:36
SebthreeBQM10HDfactory re set16:36
SebthreeBQM10HDuse genrally etc etc16:36
SebthreeBQM10HDnot really usd my jolla phone taht much since certian reasons...16:36
roborobut I think the OS is good and would appeal to non-geeks if the markets were better organized and native apps were more available16:36
SebthreeBQM10HDwell when I got mine i treid out lots of android apps and it worked well16:37
SebthreeBQM10HDfor that16:37
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, can a Android phone be replaced by a Jolla phone, to acsually run most Android apps and well or not do you think?16:37
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, I am doing an event as I was saying, and want to show mobile Linux in a few of its forms as well :), hence the qustions16:38
SebthreeBQM10HDI am just thinking if I should just mostly focus on Ubuntu, and  only show and  mentiong other htings a bit or hmm16:39
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SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, might be fun showing a Samsuing phone that runs something else though, Tizen :d16:39
SebthreeBQM10HDpeoples beloved Samsung16:39
SebthreeBQM10HDpeopel generally trust big names16:39
roboroI would suggest showing a variety of things... it is also good to see what small names can achieve in a market that seems too globally competitive to provide a space16:40
SebthreeBQM10HDa varierety of things as in?16:40
roboroJolla was pretty much ahead of Ubuntu and Samsung... and took on Android/iOS/Windows headon16:41
SebthreeBQM10HDdid they16:41
SebthreeBQM10HDwhen ?16:41
SebthreeBQM10HDbefore the tablet issues ?16:41
roborosure16:41
SebthreeBQM10HDI think Salifsih OS16:41
SebthreeBQM10HDcan do more than Ubuntu touch16:41
SebthreeBQM10HDsince it can run android apps to16:41
SebthreeBQM10HDhowever once Ubuntu touch has liberitne/xmir arm  based apps sorted out to work more proeprly and for easy install, then that will be ineresting16:42
roboro201316:42
roborothat's when the Jolla phone was launched16:42
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah and Firefox os i think16:42
SebthreeBQM10HDand ubuntu touch16:42
SebthreeBQM10HDor something like that16:42
roboroI'm not sure there were devices on sale for ubuntu touch16:42
SebthreeBQM10HDno but on the nexus it was available16:42
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SebthreeBQM10HDon cusom roms16:43
SebthreeBQM10HDso the start of that16:43
SebthreeBQM10HDnot untill last year for the first two actusal devices i have both :)16:43
roboroso jolla beat them all to the market...16:43
SebthreeBQM10HDfirefox os may have been first16:43
SebthreeBQM10HDthough16:43
roborocommercially available device16:43
SebthreeBQM10HDfirefox os with commericall y availalbe devices i think may have been first16:44
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SebthreeBQM10HDbut ones that targetted africa and places like that so hmm16:44
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, so you hink it's good to show a few non main strema mobile options and things that can do, with htat, at my event?16:45
robororeally, though, both Firefox OS and Ubuntu force you to go backward... you can't install apps that you are used to using or that your colleagues and friends and family have access to16:45
SebthreeBQM10HDat events can show things, even if things people aren't acsaully just going to buy becuase of whatever16:46
SebthreeBQM10HDwell Mozilla gave up as a mobile vender early this year16:46
SebthreeBQM10HDor last16:46
SebthreeBQM10HDyear16:46
SebthreeBQM10HDcan still get it on some phones, and it will still be sold on Panasonic smart tvs16:46
roboroI would definitely show the Jolla... because it shows that it is possible to cross the app divide by virtualizing16:47
SebthreeBQM10HDbut Firefox os looks rather nice on the phone I have, so I think may as well show that a bit at least at my event as well say something about that and yeah :)16:47
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, I'll have to sort out my jolla again properly if going to show that really16:47
SebthreeBQM10HDor get sledges_ to join m or someone like that possibly :)16:47
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SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, but yeah you want like pokenmon go and  stuff like that working on the jolla16:48
SebthreeBQM10HDthen people will be like hmm16:48
SebthreeBQM10HDexplain it's no ANdroid, but look it can run....16:48
roboroI wish it wasn't like this.. because in many ways the android layer slowly dominates in the use of the OS... but it does allow for you to transition away from android without the problem of leaving behind the apps you know and love16:50
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, yeah indeed, but then people don't just go use native apps, is the like down side to that, which is what you meant I think16:50
roboroindeed16:51
roboroalthough if I can find a native app I use it instead16:51
SebthreeBQM10HDthat's why I thought ubuntu was loike no to android app support16:51
SebthreeBQM10HD,but acstaully it seems to be since  some actsual technical reasons16:51
SebthreeBQM10HDit can't just be done since... or it can't be done since...16:51
SebthreeBQM10HDroboro, when I fisrst got my jolla I had lots of android apps I had put on, in the shipped version16:52
SebthreeBQM10HDafter a week or so of that, I thought hmm, well ok Android apps, but should  install a native app16:52
SebthreeBQM10HDso I tried to install a native app and guess what happended?16:52
Liekewhat happened?16:56
SebthreeBQM10HD bricked my phone16:56
SebthreeBQM10HDwent black16:56
SebthreeBQM10HDunsable16:56
SebthreeBQM10HDunusable16:56
SebthreeBQM10HDso I came back here.. and said what had happended16:56
SebthreeBQM10HDand it was like, for a start, well we told you to upgrade from the shipped version!16:56
SebthreeBQM10HDI didn't want to upgrade the os at all at first, since first time using it16:57
SebthreeBQM10HDbut yeah the apps in the store were made for a later version of qt apparnatly than what my version of the os had, and so it all went wrong16:57
SebthreeBQM10HDthen since it was a old version of the os as well, no btfs snap shot ors omething like that as well,  no easy recovery,  had to start over via a computer, and lose what was on the phone16:57
SebthreeBQM10HDdidn't lose anything important, but yeah16:58
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Liekeyeah, not a great first experience16:58
EyeA)01!@16:58
SebthreeBQM10HDhi EyeA  not sure who you are, but from uk like me, where abouts?  I am doing an event where well....16:58
SebthreeBQM10HDLieke, indeed16:58
* SebthreeBQM10HD trys to get someone more expereinced with Jolla into the event maybe :), 16:59
pketoSebthreeBQM10HD: installing native apps from should not brick the phone. could you tell what app that was?16:59
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges_, we need a chat when your around about that kind of thing ^^^^^16:59
SebthreeBQM10HDpketo, I don't remember and it was like over two years ago that now17:00
pketookay17:00
SebthreeBQM10HDwho is from uk in here17:01
SebthreeBQM10HD?17:01
SebthreeBQM10HDand where abouts?17:01
* SebthreeBQM10HD is looking for some possible people to demonstrate Jolla a bit for my event as well, so it's not just me :D17:01
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