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abranson_Yaniel: Did you reset the tracker after you got rid of that html file?06:09
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ztanehi, is there any way to change those "on-off" "led" indicators to something more sensible in sailfish apps, I didn't wake up in time because I misunderstood the active/inactive indicator in the alarm app :D08:03
tadzikhmm, in openrepos there is some alternative system ui themes, they may be clearer to you08:09
tadzikI recall something called "flat ui"08:09
ztaneI am not still sure about the default UI in alarm, there is dim white, and even dimmer red, I guess the red is "active" :D08:14
ztaneor white08:14
r0kk3rzyeah red is active, now you mention it, it is a little inverted08:16
r0kk3rzthe other clue is the alarm icon in the status bar08:16
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ztane:/08:20
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tadzik...red?08:26
r0kk3rztadzik: ambience colour08:28
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ztaneyeap, my bad, haven't been using jolla for ages08:35
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ztaneI am too dependent on google services :/08:36
ztanebut samsung bricked my phone08:36
r0kk3rzoh nice08:36
ztane... in forced update08:36
r0kk3rzyou can install google services if you really need it08:37
r0kk3rzbut sure enough, there does come a point where you're probably just better off with an android phone08:37
ztaneyeah, the worst thing is that I cannot see bus schedules on my phone without google services :D08:37
rigowith the update, aliendalvik works and I was able to install "here" on a jollaC \o/08:38
rigobtw, fonts for modrana on jollaC are way too small. How can we motivate the dev to work on it?08:38
r0kk3rzrigo: talk to M4rtink about it, maybe he doesnt have a jolla c08:39
ztanejolla c has 4.4 aliendalvik?08:39
coderusztane: yes08:42
ztaneI found out that some of the apps that I depended on, require 4.3 :F I guess it is not possible to get it in the original.08:43
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pp_with luck you can edit the manifest to make it think it doesn't need 4.3 :-)08:49
rigor0kk3rz: thanks, best on tjo or tmo or here?08:49
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pp_I think that was enough to make pokemon work badly :P08:49
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r0kk3rzrigo: hes often around here, or theres bound to be a modrana thread on tmo08:50
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nightslackerhi folks...just a day with sailfish...09:01
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Stskeepzhow is it so far?09:02
nightslackercould anyone help me with setting wallpaper apart from inbuilt ambience?09:02
Nicd-find a photo in the photo gallery and use "create ambience"09:03
nightslackerlike the gestures for tasks approach ...slowlt getting a hang of it..09:03
chriadamPSA, CalDAV/CardDAV Contributor Meeting on in #mer-meeting now09:03
rigoah, Stskeepz, when will we have aliendalvik in a chrooted environment where I can control e.g. internet access?09:03
Stskeepzrigo: well, it's already chrooted, if you want it can probably be containerised09:04
Stskeepzthere's shell scripts09:04
rigoI think this is very important. Because when talking to people around me, they are fed up with spying android and not ready to sell their soul to Apple total control09:05
nightslackerone more: apps dont read my external card....so i got to manually copy paste to card....09:05
rigowhich means, security has to be seen to be done09:05
Stskeepzrigo: yeah.. just personally not that much involved with jolla anymore, too much on my own business09:05
rigoso if it android apps are already contained/chrooted, I just need an interface to turn the internet off09:06
rigoStskeepz: =:-}09:06
rigobtw, I won my project that does corporate compliance with linked data. Will be interesting research09:07
r0kk3rzrigo: thats most likely an area that will eventually see work09:07
rigoand I hope the jolla people will finally get a bit more business savvy and sell the acqua fish/fairphone2 with SFOS as jolla brand in the EU with some benefit09:08
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PaulePan1erHi. Is prelink used by Sailfish OS?09:09
PaulePan1erhttps://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Prelink09:09
rigowhile I can understand that they don't want to go back into hardware production, I can't understand why they do not use the potential of the shop09:09
r0kk3rzrigo: im not sure thats 'business savvy' more 'we've already burnt a big pile of cash chasing that idea, maybe we wont want to burn another one'09:10
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nightslackeranyone to get me through the task of writing to external memory card? should i re-mount with new permissions?09:12
tadzikr0kk3rz: ah, right09:17
StskeepzPaulePanter: used to09:18
PaulePanterStskeepz: Good to know.09:18
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rigor0kk3rz: jollaC was sold 163€ and was gone in 15min. If jolla would have sold it 199€ I would still have bought it and it wouldn't have been gone in 15min, but in 20min... That's what I mean. They could do the same by taking a fairphone2, fix the SFOS install once for all and put it on the shop for fairphone + X €. I'm sure they get a deal in Amsterdam09:26
r0kk3rzselling a handful of phones to enthusiasts isnt quite the same as selling them as an ongoing concern09:27
r0kk3rzparticularly without warranty and such09:27
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evenfallrigo: how many did they sell?09:53
evenfallrigo: maybe it was enough to pay a developer for a month... maybe not even that09:53
evenfallrigo: selling phones in the numbers jolla can manage is pocket change09:55
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r0kk3rzabout 1500 phones i think?09:55
r0kk3rzbetween two jolla c rounds09:55
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rigook, update had some bad effects on bluetooth10:23
rigoaudio stream is sometimes shuttered and produces artifacts10:24
rigo ... some magic self healing under way, so far stable again. But I had audio on the phone instead of headset for calls. Now for music it works after I closed some applications10:28
rigono self healing ... :(10:28
rigorebooting10:28
rigoah, on startup jollaC asks whether it can use the HFP service10:31
rigostill, the audio connection is awful10:31
rigotrying a different headset10:31
tillI had problems with bluetooth as well prior to 2.0.410:33
tillbut didn't check so far with 2.0.410:33
rigohm, different headset works, but not connected as HFP10:33
rigotrying the other headset with computer audio to exclude dect issues10:34
rigotill, I switched yesterday to 2.0.4.1310:35
tillI did last week10:35
tilloh wait, I took a call via bluetooth, and it worked :)10:35
rigohm, dect works fine. So the pairing in HFP mode goes wrong10:35
rigotill: yes, the other headset worked fine and the OS prior to update worked fine too10:36
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r0kk3rzseems to work ok on Jolla c, not sure about jphone10:37
tillwell, not really. in the past my headset often didn't connect when switched on, and neither my did my bt speaker. and wifi seemed to interfere with bt, it was disconnecting quite often10:37
tillbut apart from the one call I didn't used bt on 2.0.4 so far10:37
rigor0kk3rz: works with my jabra headset that connects as audio, but doesn't work with my plantronics headset that connects as HFP. I renewed the paring, but issue was still there10:38
r0kk3rzrigo: there was something in the changelog about hands free profile10:38
r0kk3rzmaybe they broke it10:38
rigoyes, that's what I can report. Have a URI handy for the change log?10:39
r0kk3rzits on tjc10:39
rigook, thanks10:39
locusfre-pairing seems to work best when HFP profile is on10:41
locusfso that headphones can have A2DP afterwards10:41
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rigor0kk3rz: yes, they touched bluez, so probably broke it. There are already reports on TJC10:59
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klopsi-u3hyvää iltaa17:06
Nicd-klopsi-u3: english in this channel17:20
Yaniel#jollasuomi is the other channel17:21
klopsi-u3ok!17:21
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klopsi-u3hi Stskeeps what are you working on nowadays?18:33
Stskeepsklopsi-u3: making the world a better place18:34
klopsi-u3thank you for your work!18:34
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klopsi-u3can you be more specific?18:58
Stskeepsnot yet :)19:05
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RiotelaThere is also #jollafanclub19:34
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