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TofeThe battery life of my Jolla1 is really good with latest update... with no android app started.08:48
klopsi-u3good08:51
klopsi-u3i expect sailfish to be better than scamdroid08:51
TofeI didn't use it that much - some mails, some bycicle app, some messaging, a bit of calling - But hey, I'm on the road to having 7-8 days without charging... Which is quite awsome for a 3 years old device.08:55
klopsi-u3better than my n90008:55
klopsi-u3how many mAh does the battery have?08:56
Tofe210008:57
klopsi-u3ah n900 has like 130008:57
Tofeyes, my n900 never went up to 3 full days08:57
klopsi-u3i was porting an online game to the n900 - maxed cpu and constant data09:03
klopsi-u3a full battery lasted about 3.5 hours ;)09:03
klopsi-u3well in the final version - the high refresh version even less09:03
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Tofe:)09:04
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schoppenhauerI am currenzly zrying several task switchers10:54
* Helle is doing some parts shopping for a silly idea10:55
Helletake a ESP32 or ESP8266 and make it mirror my phone's indicator light with a big lamp (few LEDs)10:55
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YanielMy Jolla1 is feeling nationalistic11:32
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YanielInstead of pulsing the indicator led on/off in standby it has decided to pulse cyan/white11:33
Nicd-Jolla True Finns Edition11:34
RiotelaD:11:36
Riotelahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finns_Party11:36
YanielMaybe it's just trying to tell me that it's finnished11:37
StskeepsYaniel: doesn't it go with ambience?11:38
Stskeepsor at least i thought it used to11:38
YanielWhat11:38
RiotelaSoon it will also go fixit11:38
r0kk3rzim sure its never done that since tahkalampi11:38
Stskeepswell, i might remember wrong, but it was on the table for a bit11:39
Stskeeps:P11:39
YanielI have never seen the ambience affect the status led11:39
YanielAnyway my ambience is closer to pink than cyan atm anyway11:39
spiiroinYaniel: the j1 led r/g/b controls are completely independent from each other -> suitable hiccup somewhere -> static green+blue and blinking red -> end result is cyan/white blinking11:47
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YanielYeah I expect a reboot to fix it11:49
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spiiroinYaniel: So far I've only heard of cases where any change to led usage makes the issues go away? What happens if you turn on display (led should turn off) and then off again (led should light up again)?11:56
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YanielIt returns to the same state12:04
YanielTo clarify: it does briefly go black from cyan12:05
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SebthreeBQM10HDhi12:09
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, ping12:11
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SebthreeBQM10HDLieke, ping12:11
sledgesSebthreeBQM10HD: pong12:11
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, oh your here nice12:11
sledgesSebthreeBQM10HD: on and off;)12:11
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, seems I'll have I think it was Lieke coming up now anyway, to my event next week12:12
sledgesjust replied to your email12:12
SebthreeBQM10HDbut uhmm yeah :D12:12
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, or oh that was you all along ?12:12
sledgesindeed12:12
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, I thought I had chatted to someone from devon here as well I don't remember12:12
SebthreeBQM10HDbut yah it  said sim12:12
SebthreeBQM10HDlithunania ok12:12
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, did you have another  name here, that I chatted to you on ?12:12
sledgesnope12:13
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, ok so its you good12:13
sledgesi currently live in Bristol12:13
sledgesand been to one LUG meetup12:13
SebthreeBQM10HDah ha it was probably ubuntu uk I chattd to soemoen from devon...12:13
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, ok excellent it's you  though all along perfect12:13
SebthreeBQM10HDI don't remember chatting to you specifically about this one though, just trying to contact you about it12:14
SebthreeBQM10HDhave you got jolla swag as well :d ?12:14
sledgesyes, exactly what i told you on the email12:14
sledgesi replied about that too12:14
sledges;)12:14
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, the prime audaince uhmm12:15
SebthreeBQM10HDis whoever turns up12:15
SebthreeBQM10HDI Thik it's going to be mostly people between 25 and 3312:15
sledgesto those unaware, were talking about an event next Saturday in Bristol, http://linux-presentation-day.org.uk/12:16
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, going to get some techis, and some more arty people, etc etc it seems12:16
sledgesno wonder, it's Bristol ;)12:16
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat you mean no wonder it's Bristol ?12:16
sledgeslots of art going on12:16
SebthreeBQM10HDI done a paid facebook advert for the event, and it's mostly attracted univristy type pepole it seems, plus flyers have gone up in the univeristy of bristol12:17
SebthreeBQM10HDwe got a lecturer  doing some things for this event actsaully12:17
sledgessounds great!12:17
SebthreeBQM10HDwell it's going to be in Sokes Croft, so it's good to have some arty  stuff there to, as in the Cretive Commons stuff12:17
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, when we mett before you had a friend along,  to the LUG, could they maybe come this time as well?12:18
sledgesah sure! Alex, will see what he's up to12:18
SebthreeBQM10HDor anyone else around  like that even or in general even that you may know etc12:19
SebthreeBQM10HDneed more visitors to :)12:19
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, but yeah I can't,  promote Jolla poperly enough myself really so12:19
sledgesjust need to pick the right audience, ain't easy:D BoF ya know12:19
SebthreeBQM10HDand you mentiond something about a audaince or telling some people about in the emaiil12:20
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat was that ?12:20
sledgesit's hard to reach out to non-techie people, as my circles are mostly tech-oriented12:20
sledgesex colleagues/friends etc12:20
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, can you arrange Jolla freebies as well? stickers and what not?  getting it for other things, Ubuntu, Libre Office, probably Mozilla as well, and Linux Presentation Day itself of course12:20
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, that's fine you can promote it in the tech circles to12:21
sledgesi have some leftover stickers and badges here since MWC12:21
SebthreeBQM10HDit's meant to be aimed at general public, anyone12:21
sledgesnot much but will bring 'em12:21
SebthreeBQM10HDhow much?12:21
sledgesoversized t-shirts as well12:21
sledgeslol12:21
SebthreeBQM10HDoh how big are the t shirts ?12:21
sledgesxl12:21
SebthreeBQM10HDxl is fine12:21
SebthreeBQM10HDand good12:22
sledgesbut it's finnish measurements12:22
sledgesand also M (one uni fashion, another ladies cut), also got 1 jolla hat:D12:24
sledgesmost popular L all gone :{12:24
sledgesSebthreeBQM10HD: did you use slogans like "free software, why pay for office, photoshop and corel?" ;)12:25
sledgesto get some M$/Mac crowd over12:25
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, no  but in my changed text for the Facebook advert, I put stuff in later on in it, about how apple use some open source compontents12:26
SebthreeBQM10HDand android is popular and using it etc etc12:26
SebthreeBQM10HDand how can dual boot  bit even, even on a mac, not showing12:26
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, I put something in trying to appeal to iphone,ipad,  mac and android users12:26
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, so when are you likely to be there?12:27
sledgesSebthreeBQM10HD: but first and foremost you are targetting desktop operating systems, as the main event's goal?12:27
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, mid day is likely to be the influx of people since thats' when it officaly starts12:27
sledgesSebthreeBQM10HD: if nothing changes, i'll be there all day, help with prep etc12:27
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, ok I hope your there all day :)12:27
SebthreeBQM10HDfor this one targetting both12:28
SebthreeBQM10HDor making people aware of altnerativs to mobile et12:28
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sledgesah ok, so mobile is also a part12:28
sledgescool!12:28
sledgesthen we totally fit;)12:28
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, most people will be showing Ubuntu  basically, but also doing Mageia12:28
SebthreeBQM10HDand yes mobile has a  proper part in this12:28
sledgeshappy to be that part then ^-^12:29
SebthreeBQM10HDI am going to be there with Ubuntu devices, as well, Firefox OS phone, even my Nexdock, which I can well try convergence on12:29
SebthreeBQM10HDturning a phone tablet etc into a computer12:29
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, it's three area's,  desktop stuff,  mobile stuff, and creative commons12:29
sledgesand now to set it all up, put demo content on, ... ;) we have just over a week:D12:29
SebthreeBQM10HDdemo content of ?12:29
sledgesSailfish OS devices will be preloaded with demo content12:30
sledgesso it looks like a used demoable device12:30
SebthreeBQM10HDyes perfect :)12:30
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, I guess I won't have to do much with my own Jolla phone then, since you'll be doing proper things :)12:30
SebthreeBQM10HDso that's good12:30
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, its ok to have techi things12:31
SebthreeBQM10HDas well12:31
SebthreeBQM10HDgoing to get diffenret kinds of people12:31
sledgesby all means12:31
SebthreeBQM10HDjust don't have something to complacted12:31
sledgescan jolla propagate your event throughout it's SoMe channels?12:31
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, I guess a Jolla device may wo rk with this to, with the right connectins etc http://nexdock.com12:31
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat's the SoMe channels you mentioned in the email ?12:32
sledgessocial media (fb, twitter, g+)12:32
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, venue can only fit 65 people at most in it's events basement, including organisers and helpers, at any one time, but should be all fine and good for this :)12:32
SebthreeBQM10HDif over corwded got to tell people to come back later etc, but if that happens12:32
SebthreeBQM10HDpeople I am doing this with and etc12:32
SebthreeBQM10HDwill be shocked12:32
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, yes of course it can be promoted in the jolla channels12:33
sledgescool thanks, i'll talk to our MarComms team then12:33
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, if it get over crowded with Jolla geeks,  it's your fault, and the venue can blame you personally h eh h eh12:34
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sledgesSebthreeBQM10HD: we'll form the message to send their linux-unaware friends/relatives, as that's whom the event is for12:36
sledges:)12:36
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, yep indeed that's mostly what a Linux Presentation Day event is for12:36
SebthreeBQM10HDtry and make people who don't really know about it or much about it, more aware of it etc what it's about etc12:36
SebthreeBQM10HDand have enthusiasts/experts there who can answer questions as well12:36
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, also there will be a few othrs happening in other parts of Europe on the same day by the way12:37
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, http://int.linux-presentation-day.org12:37
sledgesperfect, we can advertise that, and say that Jolla's presence will be in Bristol ;-)12:39
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, yep indeed, sounds good :)12:39
sledgesi gotta run now, catch me later here or on email12:39
sledgesand thanks for all the effort!12:39
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, yeah possibly, but yeah see you at the event then :)  11am to 7pm :)12:39
SebthreeBQM10HDnext Saturday12:39
sledgeslooking forward!12:40
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, do you know where that venue is, but Cae Kino is quite easy to find I guess12:40
SebthreeBQM10HDsince on the main raod12:40
SebthreeBQM10HDCafe Kino12:40
sledgesyeap, lived in Bristol for a while, will try to find a parking spot too:))12:40
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, I might be able to help with parking, since someone gave me something12:41
sledgescool thanks12:41
sledgesfiring on SoMe channel got approved \o/12:59
sledges*channels12:59
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, firing ?13:02
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sledgesSebthreeBQM10HD: got green light13:14
SebthreeBQM10HD sledges right ok, and what does that mean exactly ?13:15
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat will happen ?13:15
sledgeswe'll post on those channels soon13:15
SebthreeBQM10HDchannels as in ?13:15
sledgesfb,twitter,g+13:16
SebthreeBQM10HDright ok13:16
sledgesthe text (140chars) will be:13:16
sledgesTell people about #Linux desktop and mobile, invite them to http://int.linux-presentation-day.org events across Europe! #Jolla will be in #Bristol 22 Oct!13:16
abranson_ah, (So)cial (Me)dia! I was wondering what that meant for ages13:17
SebthreeBQM10HDsledges, Bristol England? Bristol UK ?13:17
sledgessome say...;)13:17
abranson_i'm just not down with the kids' lingo these day :D13:17
SebthreeBQM10HDI think the guy behind LPD13:17
SebthreeBQM10HDwill like this13:17
SebthreeBQM10HDwhen I tell him via email :d13:18
SebthreeBQM10HDa guy in Germany from the Berlin LUG13:18
sledgesSebthreeBQM10HD: out of chars;) there is only one Bristol in europe13:18
SebthreeBQM10HDabranson_, are you serious ?  you weren't suer what it meant13:18
* SebthreeBQM10HD could have done a bit more of that for this event in a way13:18
SebthreeBQM10HDstill time, but eh13:19
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abranson_I'd not seen SoMe before13:25
SebthreeBQM10HDabranson_, yeah not quite sure wha that is13:30
SebthreeBQM10HDI guess a name of their team13:30
abranson_SebthreeBQM10HD: (So)cial (Me)dia!13:30
Nicd-everyone uses the word some here in Finland13:30
Nicd-though conveniently it is "sosiaalinen media" in Finnish so it fits13:31
SebthreeBQM10HDoh13:31
abranson_glad it wasn't just me!13:31
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larstiqonly some understand that abbreviation13:34
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah13:38
sledgesboom!13:41
sledges(both, to larstiq and to @JollaHQ)?13:41
sledgeshttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/78656157465175244813:42
sledgeshttps://plus.google.com/+jolla/posts/HeHSdWL7rk513:47
sledgeshttps://www.facebook.com/jollaofficial/posts/126201757051645013:47
sledgesshare share share :DD13:47
sledgesyou want your neighbour to use linux, don't you ;)13:47
r0kk3rzdefinitely not13:50
sledgesi should've looked up a definition of "neighbour" beforehand ;)13:51
the_mgtmy neighbors dont even have computers. boom!13:51
sledgesEverybody needs good neighbours r0kk3rz ;))13:51
sledgeswith a little understaanding13:52
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sledgescan you find the perfect blend? xD13:52
tadzikitshappening?13:53
r0kk3rzsledges: :D13:55
abranson_rack off :D13:57
locusfsome, not all13:58
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Pawky|2Is the russian phone exactly the same as the other C phones?14:46
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Pawky|2By the way, my current Jolla phone survived being dropped on the tarmac at 70km/h :-D14:49
larstiqPawky|2: horizontal or vertical velocity?14:49
Pawky|2Iphones cannot even take a drop from standing still... hows that for quality :-D14:49
Pawky|2horizontal...14:49
larstiqbah :)14:50
Pawky|2well... its not that its just stopping once it reaches tarmac14:50
Pawky|2Go try dopping yours at 80 :-)14:50
Pawky|2The vertical speed was 35km/h though... :-)14:52
klopsi-u3nice re drop14:52
Pawky|2So... no one knows wether the C phone sold to russia is the same as the one in Europe?14:54
klopsi-u3i do not14:54
r0kk3rzdo the russians use different bands?14:54
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Pawky|2I don't know.. thats Why I ask in here :-)14:55
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tillyou can check in wikipedia14:59
Pawky|2Has anyone heard anything when they will relase another batch of C phones or start selling them in Europe?15:01
r0kk3rzyeah thats unlikely to happen15:01
sledgeswhy's that?15:01
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Pawky|2r0kk3rz: are you trying to say the C phone is already dead?15:03
Helleit was essentially a developer only one off15:05
r0kk3rzs/developer/community15:06
r0kk3rzbut yeah15:06
r0kk3rzunless sledges knows something :P ive seen nothing indicating more will be released15:06
Pawky|2But whats the point selling developer phones if the phone itself is never getting sold... then I presume not much developing will ever take place...15:09
mornfallPawky|2: ever heard of N950? :P15:09
Pawky|2yes..15:09
Pawky|2of course15:09
mornfallPawky|2: think of C as Jolla's N95015:10
r0kk3rzPawky|2: jolla c is the intex aqua fish15:10
r0kk3rzso the phones are getting sold15:10
Pawky|2Well, but the N950 had a lot of limitations, to my knowledge this one hasnt... and the N950 was not yours to own...15:10
r0kk3rzjust not in europe15:10
Pawky|2so.. if I buy an intex aquafish, all I need to do is to put in sailfish? :-)15:11
mornfallPawky|2: the C has a lot of limitations too15:11
Pawky|2mornfall: such as?15:11
mornfalllike no warranty15:11
r0kk3rzPawky|2: what do you mean 'put in' it comes with sailfish15:12
Pawky|2mornfall: well.. that does not apply in Europe... they have to have warranthy.. at least on the hardware15:12
Pawky|2unless only seling to companies15:12
r0kk3rzbut its got slightly different LTE bands, so ymmv15:12
mornfallPawky|2: intex aquafish already runs sailfish15:12
mornfallthat's the whole point15:12
Pawky|2r0kk3rz: ohh.  :-)15:12
Pawky|2so.. then whats the difference between them?15:13
mornfallPawky|2: no, they are not selling the phone...15:13
mornfallit's not a consumer product15:13
* mornfall rolls eyes15:13
Pawky|2mornfall: well... they are selling to private people.. thats a consumer15:13
Pawky|2thus at least in Sweden warranty must apply..15:13
mornfallPawky|2: are you just trolling?15:14
r0kk3rzPawky|2: incorrect, you are buying into a community program that comes with a free phone15:14
Pawky|2no... thats the case..15:14
r0kk3rzcommunity program costs 160€15:14
mornfallr0kk3rz: we are being taken for a ride15:14
larstiqr0kk3rz: 136.29€ plus vat15:14
Pawky|2you cannot take that away... the hardware should still be able to survive a year15:14
mornfallPawky|2: it has no warranty, period15:15
Pawky|2well.. let the courts decide that... ;-)15:15
r0kk3rzPawky|2: yeah this has been argued, but until someone pushes it then it doesnt really matter15:15
Pawky|2true15:15
Pawky|2so... whats the fuzz about limited batches of C phones if you just can buy an intex aqua???15:16
r0kk3rzeither way, it probably will be a refund type of warranty rather than a usual repair15:16
r0kk3rzPawky|2: aqua fish isnt sold in europe, has different modem15:16
Pawky|2modem?15:17
Pawky|2you mean bandwith?15:17
r0kk3rzLTE frequencies15:17
Pawky|2looks like thats solvable https://together.jolla.com/question/142007/how-to-unlock-lte-bands-europe-on-intex-aqua-fish/15:18
Pawky|2:-)15:18
r0kk3rzread it first15:18
mornfallPawky|2: go troll elsewhere, please?15:18
Pawky|2mornfall: wtf? what are you talking about15:18
Pawky|2r0kk3rz: ok... sounds fair, I know licensing hardware for different countries costs a fortune so I can imagine it doesnt have whats needed hardware wise...15:21
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r0kk3rzsome people have imported aqua fish and are using it fine in EU, so it depends on your carrier15:22
r0kk3rzits just something to be aware of, but the aqua fish is quite cheap like 80€15:23
Pawky|2ok.. so the Jolla C sold in russia might actually be an aqua fish having non European frequencies?..15:24
r0kk3rzno idea15:24
r0kk3rzit could be a third option, where its not indian bands or euro bands15:25
Pawky|2worth looking into... I was so close buying a C when they released them, missed it by a minute or two15:25
Pawky|2r0kk3rz: looks like I might be in luck, they use 800,1800 and 2600. The only band differing is the good old Swedish 90015:28
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r0kk3rzsounds like the jolla c15:32
Pawky|2(that was the frequiencies used in the countries not the phone  ;-) )15:33
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Pawky|2the current jolla uses seems to also be able to use 850 and 1900mhz which is not used in sweden, still the phone works nicely using the other frequencies to I presume it should work :-)15:35
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Pawky|2So... there is no way to change the modem frequency to use 2600 instead of 2300 ?15:53
Pawky|2on an intex aqua fish?15:55
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klopsi-u3Pawky|2: i haven't heard of cellphone modems being able to change frequency by software16:16
klopsi-u3but i am not expert16:16
Pawky|2Well.. I suppose hardware could use a spectrum of frequencies, but due to licensing one locks down which channels could be used.16:17
Pawky|2software limitation isnt to uncommon these days... remember DVDs? :-)16:18
klopsi-u3as usual the experts don't hang out in irc16:20
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sakustarwhat are the experts doing then?!16:36
r0kk3rzexperting16:36
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sakustarwhere are the experts doing it?!16:38
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sakustarhow do we get them on irc16:38
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Accewe become experts ourselves, and then we leave irc19:01
Stskeepsexperts are tired after long day19:02
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