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Nicd-http://leszekllelectronics.blogspot.fi/2016/10/jolla-slowly-dying-downfall-of.html09:39
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r0kk3rzah its been a while since we had a good whinge post09:58
Acceunfortunately rather realistic opinions09:58
Accenot everything though09:59
r0kk3rzafter their financing issues last year, this year was always going to be slow10:01
r0kk3rzyou cant shed almost all of your experienced staff and suddenly pick back up once the money flows again10:01
Accethat is not the main point of the text10:02
Nicd-r0kk3rz: he acknowledges that10:02
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r3vlibreWell, I went very late for the N900 and I really love SailfishOS eventhough I am a basic user, I really wish Jolla could/can make their project sustainable. It's worth it. I am not good at appreciating management decisions however ;)10:09
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MMoriI love my Jolla too, but really would buy an upgraded device with Sailfish +android support10:21
MMoriI'm not interested in Intex Aquafish though10:22
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tillI would like something like a fairphone 2+ (more ram for example) next year10:23
MMoriNow that the original jolla is reachin the end of its lifespan it's only natural that people switch back to using other brands with other operating systems10:25
MMoriI'd love to give away my money to buy a Jolla phone that's as powerful as OnePlus 3 and has androidsupport10:27
MMoriI don't really trust TRI, they have terrible customer support10:28
MMoriThere isn't really too many options to choose from10:31
dr_gogeta86MMori, so buy the oneplus310:32
dr_gogeta86#sfdroid ... will be glad to help10:32
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MMoridr_gogeta86: so one plus 3 does have android suppor? :o10:36
MMori*support10:36
Nicd-MMori: just leave android on it ;)10:39
MMoriNicd-: ;) I like sailfish too much10:40
Nicd-I switched to Android 6, it's surprisingly good10:40
Nicd-only thing I miss are the gestures but even that is not bad10:41
phlixi_...and, its talking to google a few times per second10:41
MMoriphlixi_: indeed10:42
Nicd-phlixi_: seems they are the only ones offering services that work :/ I have to be pragmatic10:43
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phlixi_MMori if it has to be now, but no TRI and no Aquafish, then there is ionly fp2, and a chance that it will get official android support, as it has been "hinted" multiple times10:48
phlixi_but i do not think it will come10:48
phlixi_there are no official "it will ome" statements, just a few "we are working on it", but those are over years now... i doubt they actualy work on it10:50
phlixi_which is sad, since i think fp and jolla are a natural fit10:51
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MMoriphlixi_: it's good to know that fp2 has been hinted to recieve android support, I need to keep an eye on it10:54
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tadzikhmm, how trustworthy is "update ready for installation?"10:54
tadzikit finished the download suspisciously quickly, like it jumped from ~10% to "I'm done"10:55
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pketotadzik: was that the first time you tried to download it?10:56
tadzikpketo: no, I think I made a few attempts10:56
tadzikit could've filled in the blanks I guess10:56
tadzikI'll just make a solid backup10:57
pketook, so in that case it only downloads the packages that failed to download on the previous tries10:57
tadzikmakes sense10:57
tadzikI like the new backup thing, either it's the aquafish being faster or it's just a lot more hassle-free than the old one10:58
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pdanekHello!19:26
pdanekDoes anyone heard of any rumors for new Sailfish device?19:26
coderusJolla X you mean?19:27
coderusnot much yet19:27
AcceJolla X?19:28
pdanekJolla X?19:29
coderusJolla Xperience19:29
Hartziwhat is that?19:29
pdanekDo you have any source for this?19:29
Hartziany sources?19:29
RiotelaAny joke or classified information and lawyers will eat you?19:30
Accewe love rumors19:31
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MMoriOh we do19:31
MMoriTell us all you've got19:31
Accewon't Sony sue them if they call it Xperience, too close to Xperia :P19:32
RiotelaToo close to Windows eXPerience19:35
MMoriindeed19:35
pdanekHow are/were the Aqua Fish sales?19:37
pdanekIs it selling like cupcakes in India?19:37
HartziPropably not too much19:37
pdanekright19:37
Hartziatleast what we're able to see from ebay19:37
pdanekDo Early Access updates work on Aqua Fish?19:40
RiotelaNo19:40
pdanek:(19:40
Hartzibut there's a workaroud for that19:42
Hartzisee tjc19:42
coderuspdanek: https://together.jolla.com/question/148893/how-to-make-aqua-fish-to-think-its-jolla-c-not-modem/19:44
pdanekthanks19:48
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jwalckxperience would also be very near a english word so could hold up even with trademarks all around19:53
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mornfalljwalck: would be expensive20:30
mornfalljolla isn't exactly drowning in cash20:31
mornfalloh, and it's lame20:31
svuorelahmm... what happened to the jolla maps ?20:33
mornfalljolla noticed nobody uses it because it's kind of useless? :p20:37
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svuorelaI was occasionally using it when I wasn' on osmand20:37
svuorelabut I canĂ¥t find it for my jollac20:38
mornfallit was axed in favour of here-ish android app20:38
mornfallafair20:38
mornfall(for aqua fish at least, probably for c as well)20:38
svuorelathe one that wwantaccess to your phone and addressbook and everything ?20:38
mornfallyeah20:39
mornfallsecurity first20:39
svuorelaI  kind of said no...20:39
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jwalckmornfall: oh I agree I don't care much about naming. <no name> and C was fine for the first two phones. And "tablet" lacked in imagination but was descriptive.:)20:42
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pdanekTry to compare state of Sailfish OS 2 years ago compared to Android21:08
pdanekand now21:08
pdanekwhich time was a larger gap between them?21:08
pdanekDid Sailfish become closer to be better than Android, or keep up the same, or started losing the race?21:09
pdaneknow and 2 years ago (not SFOS release date)21:09
Nicd-SFOS has gotten the most basic features that people want (but still missing some) while android has gotten very good high level features like new permissions control21:12
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phlixi_and it still talk home several times a second21:34
pdanekphlixi_: does it?21:34
pdanekI know nexuses do21:34
pdanekbut other ROMs, do they?21:35
phlixi_as soon as you have google play services (which are mandatory if you want playstore)21:35
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phlixi_its the busines model... you pay with data, nothing new21:36
Nicd-phlixi_: jollas phone home with location info too anyway :P21:38
Nicd-phlixi_: I tried life with SFOS for 3 years. it isn't for me21:41
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pdanek1 Riotela: Do you use Sandstone case with 1+3?22:11
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phlixi_Nicd-: i never heard of sailfish talking home, but i also checked only long ago22:30
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